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Given the lack of contact beyond a small number of photos showing them to be nearly naked, with javelins and bows and arrows and what looks like some bowl/basket-like thing they use to gather water, what would you emulate?

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Science / Re: Dubious new claim re Neanderthals
« on: April 21, 2015, 10:04:41 am »
Thanks for the reminder about the Mal’ta boy. I see that Frost updated his hunch on Kennewick man in light of that: http://www.unz.com/pfrost/the-ancestors-with-no-descendants 

At any rate, Kennewick man doesn't change the data on the Ainu, which was what I was addressing.

If you disagree that strongly with Frost on his East Asian morphology hypothesis, you could discuss it with him at his blog, where he often responds to comments. It might make for an interesting discussion.

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Science / Re: Dubious new claim re Neanderthals
« on: April 21, 2015, 05:36:14 am »
Maybe they have more Neanderthal DNA, but their physical features underwent more noticeable changes ...
It has indeed been hypothesized  and supported with evidence that common East Asian characteristics developed more recently and that the Ainu just changed less:

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The Ainu of northern Japan have long been a puzzle. With their bushy beards, profuse body hair, large sunken eyes, and robust facial features, they look more European than East Asian. Yet genetic studies have shown no particular link to Europeans, at least no more than for East Asians in general:

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Omoto (1972, 1972) computed genetic distances among various populations of the world, and by constructing a phylogenetic tree he concluded that the Ainu population may have originated in East Asia, in spite of their unique morphological characters somewhat resembling West Eurasians. (Jinam et al., 2012)

This conclusion has been confirmed by a new study using close to a million single nucleotide polymorphisms. Genetically, the Ainu are closest to the Ryukyans, the inhabitants of Japan’s southernmost islands, and then to the Japanese themselves (Jinam et al., 2012).

So is the physical similarity to Europeans just a matter of chance? Convergent evolution? No, it may be that the Ainu have just not changed as much physically as other East Asians. They may thus preserve more of the original appearance that ancestral Eurasians once had before the last ice age split them into East and West Eurasians some 20,000 years ago (Rogers, 1986). This may also be why Kennewick Man (an ancient skeleton found in Kennewick, Washington and dated to 8410 BP) looks more like a European than a present-day Amerindian. Kennewick Man might have been closer to that proto-Eurasian population.

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-mysterious-ainu.html

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And what if there were different types of Neanderthals, like there are different looking types of Homo Sapiens? Perhaps a more East-Asian looking Neanderthal.
There were also the Denisovans, though they are considered a separate species or subspecies.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Evolution and Instinctive Nutrition
« on: April 20, 2015, 07:38:23 am »
Yeah, fresh figs are definitely the tastiest.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Evolution and Instinctive Nutrition
« on: April 20, 2015, 06:25:38 am »
Two things stand out from this article about chimp diets – food species diversity and figs:

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“1-Diversity—In Kibale chimpanzees were found to have consumed no fewer than 102 species (and perhaps many more) of plants either in the form of fruit or leaves. How many species are in your fridge? I did a quick count and found fewer than fifty plant species in my entire local farmer’s market.

2-FigsNearly half of all of the food consumed by chimps appears to be one or another kind of figs, fruits of the Ficus trees. Fig trees produce delicious, nutritious fruits in large numbers. Chimps are not the only animals to eat figs. Fruit bats love figs, as do many birds and as do the other apes. When living in the same region, gorillas eat fewer figs than chimps, but gorillas do eat figs, as do orangutans. The majority of the carbon atoms in the average American have been said to come from corn; it is possible more than half of the carbon atoms in chimps come from figs.

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8-More figs—OK, there were only seven things. But figs, I’ll reiterate, are everywhere in the life of chimps, bonobos and other apes. Figs. Figs. Figs. We tend to think of the megafauna as being the group of species that shaped humanity, but it seems as reasonable to postulate we were shaped by figs. Like the fruits themselves, we grew out of their trees.”

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/08/02/how-to-eat-like-a-chimpanzee

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Science / Re: Possible new Neanderthal-Cannibalism link
« on: April 18, 2015, 10:57:11 pm »
Yes, and some scientists hypothesize that modern humans consumed Neanderthals.

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Science / Re: Possible new Neanderthal-Cannibalism link
« on: April 17, 2015, 06:32:25 am »
Cool, thanks. If this hypothesis becomes the consensus, then watch for the images of Neanderthals to shift back toward being more savage-looking. The image in the article

already portrays them as a bit more savage-looking than the average recent images, such as this one:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthals_in_popular_culture

 :D

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Science / Re: Eating cooked animal fat causes health problems-study
« on: April 17, 2015, 06:20:38 am »
Cooked animal fat is THE worst type of cooked food.
What about cooked seed oils?

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"At 115 years and nearly three months, Ms. Morano is the oldest person in Europe, the fifth oldest in the world and one of only a handful of people whose lives have straddled three centuries. ...

Ms. Morano has no doubts about how she made it this long: Her elixir for longevity consists of raw eggs, which she has been eating — three per day — since her teens when a doctor recommended them to counter anemia. Assuming she has been true to her word, Ms. Morano would have consumed around 100,000 eggs in her lifetime, give or take a thousand, cholesterol be damned."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/world/raw-eggs-and-no-husband-since-38-keep-her-young-at-115.html?WT.mc_id=D-NYT-MKTG-MOD-15936-02-21-PH&WT.mc_ev=click&WT.mc_c&_r=0

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Phew, I checked online and  I now see that there is a standard alternate meaning to the term which is used to describe pointless politicians' discussions and the like.
lol, yup, in forums and blogs it basically means a forum or blog where dissension, negative reports, skeptical inquiry and such are not allowed or are strongly discouraged and a bunch of yes-men/sheeple engage in back-slapping, high-fiving,  sycophancy, ... (such as in the ZIOH and 30BAD forums).

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In Tyler's defense, the researcher in the article is not Wrangham, it's James Pampush of the University of Florida, and he IS an anthropologist.

Tyler and I also already discussed that other possible explanations for chins have been posited beyond cooking and some of them were mentioned in the original article, including sexual selection.

Good science includes looking for and considering examples that don't fit one's hypothesis. Avoiding searching for counter-evidence can contribute to confirmation bias. So I welcome open-minded inquiry. We don't want the forum to be a circle jerk, do we? :) I understand that trolls are not fun, so it's of course a balancing act.

I remember the laughable claims made by Von Daeniken about ancient astronauts.  However, my father on one of his trips to America, noticed how, when one tour-guide mentioned Von Daeniken, the rest of the Americans on the bus  reverently shouted out "Chariots of the Gods".  I even encountered  fellow pupils at school who  thoroughly believed this evidence-free rubbish.So, we do need to debunk Wrangham  or the rest of his ilk, as when nonsense is constantly repeated , people start believing in it. Besides, we back our claims with scientific evidence, whereas Aajonus and his ilk just relied on faith/belief to get people to trust in RVAF diets.
lol I remember that movie, and another very popular 1970's American movie claimed that Noah's Ark was on Mount Ararat. IIRC, it turned out to be just big rock formations. lol Yes, true science requires evidence and does not rely on faith.

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Anyway, absence of evidence is a good starting point IF
Yes, absence of evidence doesn't prove anything, it just raises questions, and questions are the starting point of scientific inquiry.

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It is interesting how a recent study claiming Neanderthals  played music was found to be faulty and that hyenas had merely punctured a bone while eating to form the so-called instrument.
Yes, and this further supports not jumping to conclusions prematurely, whether pro or con. It's a very new hypothesis which will need to be examined and tested.

Even if they find plenty of evidence linking chins to cooking, we still won't know precisely how well adapted humans are to cooking (or lack thereof) and the debates would thus continue even then.

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Careful, you're tipping over into argument from ignorance. Absence of evidence is not proof.  As with so many things, more study is needed before solid conclusions can be made.

One possible counter-evidence is that elephants have chin-like forms, though some scientists do not consider them to be true chins. Unfortunately, elephant "chins" also have not been thoroughly studied.

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then why do Neanderthals not have chins despite having cooked their foods?
"Late Neanderthals" developed chins and "a much more modern morphology" (see Condemi, S., Mounier, A., Giunti, P., Lari, M., Caramelli, D., & Longo, L. (2013). Possible Interbreeding in Late Italian Neanderthals? New Data from the Mezzena Jaw (Monti Lessini, Verona, Italy). PLOS ONE, 8(3), e59781. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0059781) There are multiple possible causes of this. Thanks for the link. Didn't know about this until you shared it.

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Personals / Re: Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam - Food Tips?
« on: April 01, 2015, 06:06:53 am »
My views are similar (although I think the world would be better off with no weapons more advanced than bows, but that isn't going to happen), but I try not to go on about it, because Americans seem to love these people for some reason beyond my comprehension (although at least Ramsay has more sense about what foods to eat than the vast majority of Americans and more sense and knowledge about the restaurant business than the vast majority of American restaurateurs, which isn't saying much--I must admit I enjoyed it a bit how he failed miserably and was put to shame by the Vietnamese diners and chefs in that video--long overdue comeuppance), and it's not worth arguing with them over it.

Perhaps we are in such a minority because you and I are of an older generation and the younger folk have much different attitudes? I'm trying to keep an open mind and learn from Sabertooth and others why Russell Brand is supposed to be such a gem and not be such an old fuddy duddy about it, but it isn't easy.  I hope this won't give you a heart attack ;) , but Brand is portrayed as something of a revolutionary, sex symbol, hilarious comic and genius here in the states. Please don't ask me why, I still have little idea. :)

Thanks for the heads up on Corden. Hadn't heard of him, and will try to avoid him. I tried to avoid Brand, but he is impossible to avoid here unless you live in a cave. :(

Thanks also for the news on Morgan. Didn't know he was sacked. Don't pay much attention to him.

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Personals / Re: Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam - Food Tips?
« on: March 31, 2015, 11:41:29 am »
Yeah, you could video yourself eating the foods that Gordon chickened out on or ate and bowed his head on and show yourself handling them with aplomb. You could out-macho the macho Gordon Ramsay, In your usual good-natured way of course. :)

I'll bet the snake heart and bile was served in "snake wine," and with snake wine shots accompanying it.

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General Discussion / Re: Canibalism references
« on: March 29, 2015, 09:54:24 pm »
Yup, and the main seat of the soul. I read somewhere that the Greeks later switched to the esophagus and then the heart. Some old cultures still use sayings that reference the liver as the seat of the soul, emotions, love, etc.

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General Discussion / Re: Canibalism references
« on: March 29, 2015, 05:33:56 am »
Actually, evidence for cannibalism in the palaeolithic era is widespread. Some cannibalism can be attributed to eating the dead of the  relevant tribe, but other examples are likely due to intertribal warfare which was frequent but intermittent. We see this also  in the case of more modern hunter-gatherers who believed  customs such as that eating the heart of an enemy would give one the enemy's courage etc.
Wasn't it more commonly the liver?

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Genetic distances and molecular datings based on O. canadensis CR and mtDNA protein-coding sequences provide strong evidence for domestications from two mouflon subspecies. ...

Likely candidates for truly wild ancestors of [haplogroup] cluster B are mouflon populations found in Turkey and western Iran. These sheep are currently referred to as O. orientalis anatolica and O. orientalis gmelini, although their subspecies status is debatable. ...

the origin of haplogroup [cluster] A remains unknown. Considering the probable subspecies relationship of the founders of both clusters of domestic sheep matrilines, mouflon (O. orientalis) populations of the eastern mouflon range are probable candidates.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1690972

Ovis orientalis anatolica


TURKISH MOUFLON (Ovis gmelinii anatolica)

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Vice article featuring Me
« on: March 25, 2015, 09:40:54 am »
Congrats. Giles Coren was reasonably open minded and polite, in contrast to some other media people. Interesting to see both him and your father acknowledge your good health.

Good also to see Bernando Lapallo again. He's quite likable and he's looking great at 113. What do you think of his diet and results?

This bit was funny:
Giles Coren: "What age does your desire for sex drop?"
Bernando Lapallo: "I don't know, I haven't lived that long."

So sad to see Coren falsely claim that Bernando's fruits, veggies and salmon are "not Paleo at all."

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For him it's about the DHA in seafood.
Yes, and he discussed that in the video. That's what he was referring to with "pescetarian" ("pescetarian vegan" would be contradictory, so I think he meant pescetarian).
 
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Am on an oyster experiment at the moment,, will let you know how it goes,,  but so far I do notice changes..
Yes, oysters are well known to be a healthy food.

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I did hear something that seemed a little eccentric to me.  He mentioned where he astounded someone sitting next to him at a paleo conference by how much lamb he ate...
There you have hit the nail on the head, Van. That is why Dr. Kruse's description of his diet as effectively pescetarian is surprising. Since when are enormous quantities of lamb and the "chronic ketosis" he advocated in the video part of a pescetarian diet? Does he not know what the term means?

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Also the last podcast I saw, his face/ neck  was miserably overweight??
He explained it in the video. He is writing a book that will point out what he sees as the flaws born of ignorance in the books of two Paleo diet authors, and he said he put the weight on while eating the foods in their diet books, plus making himself hypoxic, by doing things like wear an oxygen-restricting mask to bed. Does that not sound risky and don't the makers of those masks normally warn to not wear them while sleeping?

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Inger, if you can share more about your experiences following his guidelines, that would be great.    Are you still daily cold river dunking? and what do you think the ideal time in the water is for you.
I also use cold showers and coldwater bathing/plunging (and also increase the contrast with quite warm water), and do find it beneficial, FWIW. I don't do it for nearly as long as Dr. Kruse reports and don't see the point of frequently doing such lengthy times beyond claiming superior cold tolerance (and it would help his credibility if he would demonstrate it publicly, monitored by objective observers, rather than just claim it).


He doesn't look exceptionally healthy, not young and taunt like raw foodists tend to.
Yes, I hope this doesn't come across as mean, but his hair is way more gray/pigment-reduced than mine and he's only a year older. Gray hair is not a purely cosmetic issue. Art De Vany has written some interesting stuff about how a low glutathione level contributes to gray hair (http://tinyurl.com/kjtmd3c). Glutathione protects against the oxidative stress produced by hydrogen peroxidide.

Inger, in contrast, looks very young for her age (before someone brings up the old canard about appearances having nothing to do with actual health or physiological age, please note that Inger's youthful physiological age was confirmed with a measuring device developed in Europe, which she wrote about before). Maybe Jack could learn some things from our own lovely Inger? Perhaps Jack should try eating more of his foods raw, for example?

Prof. Chris Masterjohn wrote about how (cooked) chronic ketogenic diets may generate methylglyoxal (Where Do Most AGEs Come From? O Glycation, How Thy Name Hast Deceived Me! by Chris Masterjohn, http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/where-do-most-ages-come-from-o.html)

When there is not enough glutathione available to offset it, methylglyoxal (MG) can act as a mediator to form Advanced Glycation Endproducts (AGEs) (see Methylglyoxal Modification of Protein, http://www.jbc.org/content/274/26/18492.full ).

The following study found that in as little as 3 weeks, a (cooked) chronic ketogenic diet appeared to deplete liver glutathione in the same way as a daily dose of Tylenol: Acute oxidative stress and systemic Nrf2 activation by the ketogenic diet, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0969996110001920

It fits with the doubled MG levels that Beisswenger et al found in the most-compliant Atkins dieters in just a few weeks (http://tinyurl.com/n5ggfpz; for more discussion, see also http://freetheanimal.com/2014/11/hormesis-missing-glutathione.html).

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It was a bit surprising to hear him say this at 1:00:42 in the video:

"So, a pescetarian vegan, if there's such a thing, would be a really, really smart thing to do. And if you really fundamentally look at, you know, what I wrote in my book, that's kind of an acronym for the Epi-Paleo Prescription, because that's really, kind of what it is."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yboyGPjekCU&t=60m42s

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Health / Re: Vaccination
« on: February 15, 2015, 08:31:16 am »
I heard about this recently, feel free to make of it what you will:
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Measles Outbreak In Ohio Leads Amish To Reconsider Vaccines
JUNE 24, 2014 3:31 AM ET
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/24/323702892/measles-outbreak-in-ohio-leads-amish-to-reconsider-vaccines

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Wai Dieters / Re: Commercial Bananas: The Worlds Most Destructive Crop
« on: February 15, 2015, 08:14:07 am »
I don't see this as a problem. If the plantation is abandoned then something else can be grown there.
In the video and linked article it's explained that the real issue is that abandoned plantations mean that more forest has to be cut down to create new banana plantations.

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I'm not a huge fan of bananas myself, too high in sugar. I prefer ripe plantains.
Ripe plantains are almost as high in sugar as ripe bananas, and overripe plantains contain even more sugar:

"Total sugar content was 23% in fully ripe and overripe bananas but in plantains it increased from 20% when fully ripe to 27% when overripe." http://preview.tinyurl.com/msqkdav

The tastiest bananas for me are air-dried semi-ripe plantains. The flavor is intensified and they have just the right amount of mild sweetness for me. They are also lower in sugar than ripe plantains.

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