Since adding animal protein, likely being too low protein for decades as a vegan/raw, my macros look Very different But my activity level is the same and I'm pretty sure calories are close to the same -
Will this alone (macro switch) effect my body size? If so in what way?

I'm not looking to lose or gain weight, nor lose or gain size so I'm hoping this will all work out.


Also do we absorb more from "raw" meat so maybe we'd need less animal protein than if we were eating the same cooked?

I've been getting 60-80 gr of animal protein a day but all in the late afternoon/evening (intermittent faster) This is recommended amount of protein for my hight, weight, activity level. I use to only get protein from daily juiced greens, and the. fish or egg yolk I'd have on rare occasions. I know - Crazy!

 I need to change my forum name from "pumpkin" to "auto correct disaster" 🤦🏻😂

🤦🏻???ugh sorry , didn't read through auto correct at top.

" i'll try the vinegar and lemon juice when I have steak.... I prefer ground meat over steak due to  Chew-ability  "

" I do take and herbs as tinctures ..."

Yes,  definitely I will 😀
I was Looking up some things on meats in the forum &  saw many long term raw meat eaters say that theres not much, if any, difference they noticed in eating red meat cooked rare/med rare compared to all raw. It's all about not cooking/heating the fats, which turns them rancid. So I'm not as concerned about the repercussions if I have to order rare over raw. I've been to restaurants that offered seared tuna salad and they refused to serve it to me raw, they were required to sear it. So I just cut off the cooked part when they served me.

I like that idea! I think I could try that and like that with steak meat, citrus juice or vinegar. After I left this morning I actually was thinking I'd like ground meat tonight, maybe tomorrow bc I didn't pull anything out.


That's odd Steve, about the tuna and a darn shame! It's so YUM!
I picked up tuna steaks tonight from the fish counter at Sprouts to eat for my meal today. Thinking I'd have to  make it into ceviche or Sear it. Wow! No! It tasted great untouched, so sashimi it was. But my stomach is in shock still with protein/fat amounts. Drinking some ACV and taking digestive enzymes aren't doing it for me. Hope my body adjust soon to this, if I can break my meal into 2 sittings (4 pm and then 6pm with 3 to 5 oz at each) rather than one sitting I bet I ate 10 oz tonight overall 😲  (I eat slow to to try to help ) maybe the Rock in my stomach wont be there.

The experimenting, recording so I don't forget what feels good and what doesn't.

 It's summer here so the fruits are very water rich, to much so for having such a small eating window that I enjoy eating in (4-7 or 8 pm), I drink nut milks & fresh juices in day as often as I like, sometimes I'll snack on grapes if I feel like it. 

Dinner - Fruit based -did not work! too much fiber & water.  Discomfort overnight, peeing, feeling hungry When I'd wake up to pee, etc...outside of apples I find summer fruits Ibs causing in me.

Dinner -salad based .  This actually work the best for fiber even adding an egg or two in with it doesn't seem to negatively effect digestion. Because I don't like to chew so much salad I pulse it through the food processor and add in non-sweet fruits and fats afterwards.  only drawback to salads is you end up in the bathroom quite often ,  although I know some find that a benefit .

Dinner-8 oz rawfish and green juice.  I just went back to this, I initially started this whole experiment bc I was plant based with very low protein.  For the most part I feel satiated eating  Protein dominant food for dinner,  i'm supposing because it's salmon I have plenty of fat already in the meat on top of adding a sauce I makewith mayo wasabi and seaweed flakes. Even though I end up having to pee overnight,  maybe once my body lets go of the excess water that proteins seems to do the trick for, I won't have to pee so much overnight ? Overall I feel good.  I know there's Poopoo and drinking Green juice, I do  Romain lettuce, celery, parsley, lemon juiced daily and feel great on it , adding this to my evening helps.
for an hour or so after I eat I do feel like I have a rock (of protein im sure) in my stomach. Probably need an adjustment period For this,  I have been taking a digestive enzyme sense this much protein is new to my system.   I have been eating 8 ounces of raw salmon in the sitting and I probably could eat more but the steaks only come that large and I'm still not sure how much protein our body can absorb in one sitting & what that depends on??

I have to add another plus to this dinner - I'm not a fan of high fiber from any source, it's left me so much discomfort for years eating vegan then raw vegan. My colon is so happy when I leave the fiber out which means I feel really good without it.  I'm sure I still get some fiber in my juices and fruit snack here and there but nowhere near what I used to eating plants/vegan.

 For some reason I still can't stomach (mental I know) eating raw meat at least enough of it  to be considered a Meal -  which I'm going for .  I'm buying some wild tuna today but the recommendation from the supplier is to cook it,  if you've ever bought tuna that doesn't taste great raw does searing it do the trick?

Great! Thanks Tyler! I hadn't thought much about bacteria, most ppl speak of negative bacteria in animal foods (conventional animal foods). Having been treated for parasites long ago (horrific drugs! Rather have gone with herbs after the fact) now I always freeze fish and red meat with the idea in the back of my head that if there's parasites alive in there they won't still be alive after being frozen for a few days.

Fenrir- the foods your having now all sound good. I didn't find raw rough veggies healing esp not for hemmoroids. Do you know what lead to the hemmoroids Perhaps if you really want raw veggies, maybe even do this with your steamed veggies, blend them yo make a raw soup.


TYLER  - the bacteria in meats/fish is active again once unthawed, is that a good thing?

Also keep in mind that the more cooked your meats are, the worse they are in terms of constipation.

How about steaming white fish? Or what's the best way to prepare fish for best digestion/assimilation that "needs" to be cooked? Any fishes you've avoid cooked and/or raw?

SURFSTEVE - were/are you recovering from something? How are your adrenals? I know when my we're down meats really lifted me up/gave me energy, now they don't do that for me I guess bc my adrenals recovered.

Gods herbs/natures botanicals have an adrenal, and other organs to choose from, they are super super effective.  I got perathyroid and adrenal and I couldn't take them because they were so strong,  my gut feeling was because I'm such a tiny person that goes for me needs to be much smaller than a comes in, so a man likly really dies well with them if he needs it. You can look at the herbscin there herbal formulas here, https://www.ourbotanicals.com

But I'm not sure what your doing, maybe you've already had your "cleansing" period ( you played around with Breatharianism so I'm guessing you've Soent time in the cleansing/detox diets- juices/raw vegan/fruitarian ) . Maybe your in the rebuilding/ replenishing  period?

^ likely because my protein intake has been fairly low since my protein usually comes from juiced greens .
 I know it's about balance since we are omnivores,  we don't have to eat mostly/only from one food group like  herbivores or carnivores.  But it seems like there would be some ratio involved in how our bodies are made ?

TYLER - thank you for the link. I do remember that now about glycation, didn't link it to kidneys but the whole system and cancer.

I think your a great person to point me to viable research/info on the human species digestive system
 from mouth to anus and what's our true species specific diet based on that?  I know we're not herbivores from experience and common sense, but coniferous vegetables (?) even those seem not ideal unless we cook them and that's not natural either, fruits super easy in my experience, and do we in fact easily break down more than a few bites (quantity?) of animal organs, muscle meats,  fish, chicken and if meats what our systems are designed to eat is raw the only way it likes it etc... I recently heard Nora Gedgaudas interviewed on her new book and she stated our stomachs are designed specifically to be breaking down meats shown by the level of acid our stomachs contain.  Yet I've seen the the teeth argument that we have same teeth and intestinal length as frugavores (So only insects and by accident)   🤦🏻🙉
Like you guys, I've had a long time of eating only plants, or fruits, or juicing