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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: January 29, 2012, 05:33:38 am »
I guess I have a problem. -[
Look, this is me after only one month of lifting - befor that, zero sport, sedentary life. I am starting to get big.
It does not look very feminine at all. :(


My arms are quite big.. this is in relaxed state - no sport for 3 days.

What to do now. I love lifting!
Do you think if I lift 20 reps x 3 my muscles would not get bigger..? But I really want to get strong, I do!!!
But I want to look like a woman too.. -[


Hot Topics / Re: Germ theory information
« on: January 20, 2012, 03:28:42 pm »
Here is little bit more info..

Health-promoting effects of bovine colostrum in Type 2 diabetic patients can reduce blood glucose, cholesterol, triglyceride and ketones.

Bovine colostrum (BC) has been reported to enhance immune function, reduce fat accumulation and facilitate the movement of glucose to the muscle. However, very few attempts have been made to examine its anti-diabetic effects in diabetes patients. The aim of this study was to evaluate whether BC decreases blood glucose, as well as cholesterol, triglyceride (TG) and ketones levels, which can be elevated by obesity and stress in Type 2 diabetic patients. Sixteen patients (men=8, women=8) with Type 2 diabetes were randomized into the study. Each ingested 5 g of BC on an empty stomach every morning and night for 4 weeks. Blood glucose, ketones (beta-hydroxybutyric acid), total cholesterol and TGs were measured every week. In both the men and women, blood glucose levels at 2 and 8 h postprandial decreased continually during the experimental period. The rate of decrease in blood glucose at 8 h postprandial was not different between the men and women, but was higher in the women (14.25+/-2.66) than in the men (10.96+/-1.82%) at 2 h postprandial. Total cholesterol and TG levels decreased significantly in both the men and women after 4 weeks. Also, beta-hydroxybutyric acid level decreased with BC ingestion, but this was not significant. These results suggest that BC can decrease levels of blood glucose and ketones, as well as reduce cholesterol and TGs, all of which may cause complications in Type 2 diabetic patients.

Colostrum is also said to be very healing for the gut. In Finland there is some scientific research on the subject.
Very promising. Hospitals are using it also to treat damaged guts. But it works only raw!
Pasteurized - no effect whatsoever.


Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: January 20, 2012, 03:15:09 pm »
Okay guys, I will listen to you both. ;D
I just checked out these compound exercises and will try them next time in the gym.
Thank you so much for you sharing your knowledge. :)

yes that is funny about Hakaniemen halli. ;)
Hubby mostly shops for me in winter as I seldom go to the city, but at times I do go there myself!
I guess they have lambs hearts only in season, I got some until before Christmas. Maybe they still have? I have not asked.
Lambs hearts are just awesome. Makes me feel so good.
But Elk heart are the best. OMG the feeling I get from them. You HAVE to try them PrimiFit!!!
Next fall just ask for it! Elk innards. Costs almost nothing. I got a whole plasticbag full, kidneys, lungs, heart, liver.
All together 35,00 €. That is gold. Really. I have them cut up in my freezer now, and enjoy them regularly - raw.
They are like medicine to me.


Hot Topics / Re: Germ theory information
« on: January 20, 2012, 03:01:18 pm »

    I forgot that the amputations, disease, and death don't motivate me one bit. I thought for a long time that they should, but they depress me, and they should. I am motivated by hope, promise, love, joy. I want to live free. I am meant to. I am fighting for my freedom from disease and medicine, and institutions. ..."I'm a true nature's child and I was born to be wild."   - I used to think that meant "drugs, sex, rock and roll. --- Now, I think it means having deep meaningful relationships with myself, then nature, god, and loved ones. This requires a great effort b/c by the time I began to wake up I was dependant metally and physically on the false system of cages and plastic bait that I was born into.

Adora, I guess we are sisters in our hearts.
I just want to give you a HUG.
For me it is huge help to have time. Much time. To come down, to find my inner peace. Silence. It is so healing to me.
Like, so I can feel the energy around me, the love.. it is just there! Because I know it is there, all around.
I just have to open up - to be peaceful to be able to feel it.  :)
I love to step around in the forest. Just be there. Enjoy the energy.

I think Dorothy really have some great knowledge there! I wish I could have something helpful to say.
I do not know.. but
I come around this the other day Adora, that colostrum might be helpful for diabetes.
I did some reserch because I started to drink colostrum myself a few weeks ago, to help regeneration as I started lifting.
I can get it frozen and raw in the shops here.
I have no negative symptoms from it as I usually have from dairy! It feels great to me so far!
It tastes quite nice too. Sometimes I eat it with wild blueberries. :) Here it is plain;

I usually drink about 1 cup / day.
Here you can read about it;

There are much more information out there if you want to search!
Maybe I can search for you if you like to read more about it?


Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: January 14, 2012, 02:16:51 am »
Hello Primifit,
I live in Kirkkonummi. :)
I love to go shopping in Hakaniemen halli too!!!! It is there where I got all my lambshearts and livers and elkmeat, from Hakkarainen! Cool!
You can by raw organic goatmilk from Lentävä lehmä, the cheese-shop there, you have to order it and they get it Tuesdays. I just ordered some today. They have colostrum (ternimaito) too! I drink it at times, raw, I have got no negative symptoms from it AFAIK, just feels great!

I eat a little cooked at times too, I very well know what I can tolerate or what not.
Wen I am very low in money I eat "seitä - pakastettu" it is wildcaught and very cheap fish. I just heat it very gently, just until cooked. I feel great from that too.
But mostly I at raw, all organs always raw, meat also always raw, most fish too.

My workouts are self designed. ;D
I do about 3 times a week, one session certain muscles, the next others. I have split up muscle groups in too.
I do bot legs and upper body every time, just different muscles. Maybe so 6 different muscles each session.
So every muscle get at last 3 days rest.
I do 12 - 25 repetitions and 3 sets each. I have thought about adding more weight and do fever reps..
I do no squats, just leg-press, about 70 kg 25 x 3 but I have been thinking about quitting it and do squats with weights instead. I dunno, I don't want very big legs though.. -X But nice and muscular. Maybe they want go big anyway?
I have been training only one month.. before that I had years without any sports. It feels SO good to do something again!
I already had to add weights a couple of times, I am going stronger fast! ;)


Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: January 11, 2012, 11:39:25 pm »
Hello Primifit!

I just finshed your workout nr. 2 + 1, both.

I really like them! Now I am sweating already... Even if they was quite easy! Nice.
It is funny to do them looking at your video, feel so much easier and funnier, like you and your wife also do it. :)
It was not my off-day, I trained 1 h and 50 min. today.
First 20 min. fast walking, then 1 h weights, then 30 min. fast walking. That was too much, was it?
I just was not tired at all...
What can happen if I do too long sessions? If it is only 3 to 4 times / week? Is it still too much? I do eat a lot, enough to build strength I guess.. about 1400 - 2200 calories / day. It varies a lot, but protein around 100 g/day or more.
I have a quite sedentary lifestyle otherways, you see..
(I am 166 cm and weight 54 kg)

Had no time for stretching today, so that is why I did your workouts today additionally. ;)

I am Norwegian (my both parents are, so are my passport too), but born in Finland. I lived in Germany the last 9 years though.
Now I live 30 km west from Helsinki.

So fun to have another from Finland here. :)

Have you found some good primal food sources?
I eat a lot of elk meat, the season is over for fresh, now I get only prefrozen.
I have started to experiment with fish-stock last days, looks like it is a great mineralsource!
I make it from wildcaught fish, sometimes Finnish ones but mostly Norwegian like Turska and such. Makes so delish stock!!
I cook it at low heat for 4 hours. Great source for calcium, and lot of different thing that are hard to get from raw food.
The fishhead is especially a treasure, with the glands in them. Very healthy.
I feel great from the stock. I will experiment for a while and am curious if it is so great as I feel it is.
Are you eating only raw, PrimiFit?
I drink teas too. Like pakurikääpä-tea. It tastes a bit like coffee. Also tea from herbs like nettles, peppermint..
I love to use local food sources.


Raw Weston Price / Re: The Great Dance: A Hunter's Story
« on: January 07, 2012, 06:25:21 am »
Just watched the video Eric.
Thank you so much! What a great documentary.


Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Active rest
« on: January 07, 2012, 01:21:53 am »
I will try this - as I started a few weeks ago working out (after a few years break...). 3 days / week a 1,5-2 hours.
Feels so good! I am already stronger, and have to increase weights. Makes fun!

I really like to work out fasted, usually at 11 AM or so. Is that good?
I eat a lot afterwards then!

I live in Finnland too BTW. :)


Hot Topics / Re: Germ theory information
« on: January 06, 2012, 10:12:42 pm »
Oh Adora,
me too hopes you feel better soon!!!
I dunno what to suggest cause I have no experiences with diabetes.. -[
I just know when I eat too much protein like 200 grams / day, I do not feel good.
Have you checked out how much you get? I ususally eat about 120 g/day and that feels good. Some days less or more.
I know our liver converts excess protein to glucose so you might be careful when you have BS-issues..
I guess the advices already given are great BTW. :)


Hot Topics / Re: Update
« on: January 06, 2012, 10:04:02 pm »
I would try to change the meat.
If you were eating beef, try game. Or buffalo. Or pastured chicken, fish..
I was reading about that our body might develop kind of an allergy to certain food we eat too often, or too much.
Like bodybuilders often develops allergy against eggs, cause they eat eggs every day.
This gives some credit to the instincto-theory indeed. :)
Or eat fruits and veges, nuts for a time?
Mix it up. Might be your body is telling you to change something I guess.


General Discussion / Re: What rawpalaeo foods are you eating right now?
« on: January 06, 2012, 09:51:54 pm »
that is really interesting! Thank you for sharing!
Mmmm.. I guess I will not try testicles though. I was thinking, something like that could happend.. ;)
Why is no one eating ovaries, though? I have never heard of that. But sure about tribes eating testicles.
Maybe woman was not allowed to get stronger.. HA. Like "womanly" stronger, the same way that men get "man" energy from certain foods ;).
I dunno, but sure I believe it has something to it, eating certain animals part for certain things.
I do feel my heart strengthens from/after eating elks heart, I do. I kinda feel stronger/more with my heart. :)

I love fish-roe by the way! Always had. We had them as kids occasionally, cooked. In Norway it is common food.
So yummy!

so happy you found out how great raw meat tastes!!!
It is yummy, indeed. So much better than cooked! :)
There are also a lot of recipes to try out with raw meat if one likes for variety. But it actually tastes so yummy by itself I mostly eat it plain.
I never had bonemarrow with honey... sounds dangerously good - like one could be seariously addicted.. >D


General Discussion / Re: What rawpalaeo foods are you eating right now?
« on: January 05, 2012, 06:09:28 pm »
how does testicles tastes?
Are they hard to chew, like lungs..?
Are they gross?


Elk organs;
Heart, lungs and kidney. Very tasty. Especially the heart. :-*

I cut them up and eat them plain. The lungs (in the middle) I swallow whole as hard to chew.

Elkburgers (dried overnight at body temp.) with coconut oil, wild picked cowberries (defrosted), wild picked chanterelles - dried.

All wild and local except of the coconut oil.
Makes me feel so good. :)


Display Your Culinary Creations / Re: Minced-elkmeat-snacks with beef-fat
« on: December 22, 2011, 08:07:08 pm »
Yes, I like to eat plain a lot of time myself too, GS! :) (feel free to use my pics how ever you want! They have no copyright ;))
But, sometimes I just need "food for my soul" and these times is, when I makes such recipes.
I never feel ill from them, so no regret. ;)

Also great to make for someone new to raw meat maybe?
I will try and post recipes more often, Tyler.

Van, I would love to make a recipe-book. A meaty, wild, raw one. ;D


Display Your Culinary Creations / Beefheart-sushi
« on: December 22, 2011, 07:58:31 pm »

Slice the heart thin, make a nice spicy mix from ground meat. I used elkmeat, spiced it up as I do when making tartar.
Ad a bit of the ground meat on the heart-slice, then a peace (stick) of beef-fat, and roll it. Then cut the roll in two. Ready. :)
This is a hearty meal.

You could dip it in soysauce if liked, like sushi. I personally  like it like it is.


Display Your Culinary Creations / Beefheart Carpaccio
« on: December 22, 2011, 07:52:52 pm »

This, I like to make from a little ripened grassfed beef - the longer you let it stay in your fridge, the more tender it gets. :)
And it gets tastier too!

Slice the heart in thin slices. Add sliced onion, fresh herbs, little oliveoil and balsamic on the top.
If you like you can also add some seasalt and fresh ground pepper, but I think it is not needed.


your food looks delicious!!!
I only do meat and green combos, other veges not so much..
Actually I eat only cucumber, green salads, herbs,  wild edibles.. as vegetables. Seldom anyting else.
As I used to make mixed salads with carrots, celery, avocados, sprouts, tomatoes... I got tummy troubles, yes. -[
So I quit it.
But in such combinations as I post here, no problems whatsoever!
I do not want tummy troubles, they are just annoying. :(
Adora, I suggest you start eating wild edibles! Like Lindenleave! They are sooo healing and great for tummy! You could mix them in salads too. I use oliveoil and balsamic too at times, no problems from them.
Try to use only cucumber and herbs and green salads, those might not hurt your tummy eather!

@ Dorothy,
thank you  :) Our food is beautiful, isn't it?

@ GS,
oh.. Bed and Breakfast.. there are such places here in Finland yes, but not raw paleos as I know.
Maybe I should make one. ;)


Will you marry me Inger?


I posted one more recipe,  just for you. ;)


Display Your Culinary Creations / Minced-elkmeat-snacks with beef-fat
« on: December 22, 2011, 04:52:06 am »
These I had the other day;

Just spice up minced wild meat with whatever you like,
I used 1 eggyolk, balsamic-vinegar, onion, capers in seasalt. Then roll them, put them on cucumber and put a tiny chunk of grassfed beef fat on the top.
There are also one quail egg, raw in the shell, and a tiny bit of liver and heart on the salad.

Very nourishing and delicious meal. :)


General Discussion / Re: Discoloration / Color Differences
« on: December 20, 2011, 03:24:10 pm »
(I'm still a bit worried about botulism during the fermentation process). Also, some of the cuts smell a bit.

Does botulism smell? Is this safe to eat?

"Botulism" smells like butyric acid (Buttersäure). Not that I have ever smelled it... ;)
But I have eaten meat looking like yours 100 times and never got ill.


Display Your Culinary Creations / Oh-so-delicious salad with salmon-tartar
« on: December 19, 2011, 03:44:26 am »
Here comes a really delicious recipe. :)

Take salmon (another fish might do as well too), cut it into very small pieces, tartar style.
Then cut onion in very small pieces too, (maybe 1/2 small onion 1/2 pound fish)
 a few spoons of wild, fermented Honeywater (50% Honey 50% water - let stay warm until fermented)
 a few spoons of organic white wine vinegar (or limejuice)
one spoon fresh ginger cut into tiny pieces
add them to the salmontartar. Add seasalt and fresh ground pepper to taste.

You have to taste you into the right sourness / sweetness. I ususally start with less, and add until perfect balance.

Put the tartar on crispy fresh organic salad. Enjoy.

This is divine. :)

Off Topic / Re: raw vegans have problems
« on: December 13, 2011, 05:25:36 am »
I was almost raped by my Thai Tchi  teacher, a guy that practised Chinese Medicine in Helsinki as I was 19 year old. I was able to escape though.
Later two of my bosses tried to do stuff I did not like, like asked for a kiss (a real kiss).. grabbed my ass.. tell me how much they liked me.. such things.
Now, after growing strong, eating lots of raw meat, no man has ever suggested such things to me anymore, just wanted to take me out for coffee, or a glass of wine - very polite :). I clothed much more "moralistic" back then than I do now. Now I love tiny skirts, in summer especially, I dress quite femininely. When those things happened before,  I wore long skirts and such. So I personally do not believe a cent in the theory that "feminine beauty" makes anyone rape.
No way!


Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: December 09, 2011, 07:02:51 pm »
Thank you GCB,
for taking time to explain all so well. I appreciate that very much, I do.

Intresting that your wife tried Hamers method, and it did not worked.
I have to go and think about this now, as I eat a LOT of muscle meat.
I do am careful to eat almost only wild, though. But I will try to add more seafood and organs, even if I already include them in my diet.
More variation cannot be bad. :)

Mm...the Maasai don't seem to get cancer much, though. They are major eaters of beef.  Granted, they are probably eating a lot of organs, versus just muscle meat.

Yes. That might be the point. They ate a lot of organs and such too.
The American  Indians ate a lot of fat I think. It was not a mostly muscle meat diet they ate. They also used lot of wild greens and berries and also some edible roots.
Maybe it is not a good idea to eat so much muscle meat, and not the other components.
Sounds very logical to me.

thank you for sharing your thoughts about liver health / cancer. I have read something similar somewhere, I just don`t know where anymore. As I think about it, many instinctos / rawfooders might have damaged their liver with too much sweet, cultivated fruits (too much fructose is not great for our liver at all), and then to eat a lot of muscle meat on top of that... might have been a bad idea.
Just a thought.


Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 30, 2011, 03:45:23 pm »
Elk must be really delicious! I have never eaten it. I found a shop in Berlin where I can get prefrozen ground elk meat from Sweden and (if I remember correctly) from Finland. The sellers say that elk meat is always wild. Can I trust them?

Is Elk meats always wild game meat?

How would you describe the difference to grass-fed beef?


yes, in Scandinavia / Estonia where I get my elk from, it is always wild.
There might be some hunters who put out food for them in the winter, vegetables and hay and maybe some grains (?). I am not concerned about that though, it is so little anyway. Remember, wild game eat from the agricutured fields too. Sure it is best to eat game from places with no agriculture. Almost impossible today, but better the more north you travel I would say.

I have heard about farmed elk in USA. But here, no.

Elk tastes.. hmm. Some says it has a gamey taste but I find it quite mild tasting? Sure it has a stronger taste than Beef. Maybe the taste is a little iron-like? More complex that beef though. Complex and rich. :)


Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 29, 2011, 04:03:26 pm »
No no no.... I am NOT talking about psychedelic mushroom's now. >D

I talk about other mushrooms like the Chaga-mushroom;


Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: November 29, 2011, 02:13:19 pm »
my own experience with this is, when I ate beef (organic, grass and grainfed) I could not eat it for long and it started to taste disgusting to me. After that I could only get it down slightly fried in the pan with salt an pepper. Yeah, stupid of course.
But now I eat elk every day, raw without spices. It is my staple food (I do eat fresh wildcaught fish and oysterz etc. for variation - some fruits (Orkos) too at times). I just love the elk - also the organs. Makes me feel so good. I cannot imagine I will never get tired of it. It so belongs to here (Finland). I guess long long ago when no agriculture existed here, that was the staplefood of people living here. Also reindeer. There are no fruits growing, berries yes, but you cannot live from them only. You could get some fish also - except the Sea is quite polluted here because of Russia.
How comes hat tribes living on mostly mammal-meat do not became cancer? As long as they ate it the natural way, not smoked and salted and fried..
I just cannot get it out of my head, as I have been thinking exactly the same thoughts as Van.
How could the Indians survive on mostly mammals meat?
If your hypothesis is, meat from mammals might give cancer - how do you explain people who healed from cancer eating raw meat from mammals?
I am just so confused.
Are you sure you have not mis-impreted the cause of your wife's cancer? Maybe it was stress, causing it? Cancer often have also psychological causes. I am sure your wife was eating lot of delicious fruits along with the 200 grams of mammal-meat.. who knows if that was not so good? Too much sugar? From domesticated sources? It would be intresting to know what else your wife ate, in addition to the beef.
 Was she stressed out, or harmoniously happy? Was your marriage happy and fulfilling for both of you?
I guess all these things have to be shed light on to really know more about the causes of her cancer.
I am sorry if I go too close with all these questions, it must have been a terrible loss to loose your wife that early. -[
But I ask cause I have the feeling you also want to clear up misunderstandings.

Just wanted to add, I do not believe it is good to eat meat only. The Indians, and every tribe that ate lot of meat also ate wild berries (that are known to have great anticancer properties) as also wild herbs, mushrooms etc. Might be, that these were needed to eliminate the possibly negative consequences of eating that much mammal meat...?
Could that be? So that is why they stayed healthy?
I do eat a lot of wild berries and greens (in summer)... it feels just so good to eat them. Like they were needed somehow.


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