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General Discussion / Re: WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO DINE WITH?
« on: October 07, 2015, 04:16:24 am »
At least you got your toe in the water, sorry you injured it though!
I mean it was fine I never limped but its generally considered bad to swim in the ocean with an open wound. Actually I did jump in for a couple minutes in a little rocky cove, the water wasn't too cold yet either.

Off Topic / Re: Do not buy Coconuts!
« on: October 06, 2015, 09:24:49 am »
You wouldn't use anywhere near the amount that is used when chemical salts are applied and not with the same frequency either.

Anyways the coconut I picked for Jessica was no where near the ocean and all those trees were growing semi wild in the woods. There is an island I would go to where they said not to pick the coconuts because the trees were treated for a disease, most of which were right on the coast. I'm not sure if this was for cosmetic reasons or not. I think some areas perhaps coconuts only grow near the ocean because the soil inland is not ideal for them. At one time most of Florida was basically one gigantic coral reef so the soil is largely made up of ancient coral, which is probably pretty decent coconut substrate. Dates will grow right by the ocean too.

Off Topic / Re: Do not buy Coconuts!
« on: October 06, 2015, 04:26:37 am »
I don't even have access to a pc but I do own many issues of acres USA which had many articles on the subject. They distribute a book called "sea energy agriculture" which covers the subject. Adding carbon to soil is also a method to rehabilitate land where Saltation has occurred. I will try to come up with some sources when I get the chance. I read that although many if not most farms yields were negatively effected by tsunamis in south east Asia, many were benefited with as much as double normal yields. All life came from the ocean, our blood is nearly the same as ocean water. It only makes sense that this salt would be beneficial to life.

General Discussion / Re: WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO DINE WITH?
« on: October 06, 2015, 04:16:08 am »
Jessica, I'm pretty sure that unfortunate critter was a seal, I think the sea lions who appeared to be checking us out were two or three or so times the size of the carcass we were examining. I wanted to be diving myself for whatever the lions were diving for but you know they are more than twice the size of actual lions and are a favorite prey species of great whites and orca so spending much time in the water didn't seem like the best idea, especially after I bled my toe pretty good lol.

Off Topic / Re: Do not buy Coconuts!
« on: October 06, 2015, 04:02:48 am »
Let's get our facts straight. Sodium prevents calcium uptake, and calcium is the most important macro-mineral for most plants. Coconuts tolerate salt very well, but they are pretty unique in that.

It's the minerals present in seawater besides sodium chloride that is important to coconuts. Saltation is only an issue in soils with low carbon levels. There are dozens of salt products sold as soil amendments and some people even grow hydroponics in dilluted sea water. Pumping seawater hundreds of miles to land deprived of minerals will likely one day be common practice.

Off Topic / Re: Do not buy Coconuts!
« on: October 05, 2015, 12:20:08 pm »
Chickens, pigs and other livestock raised on coconut will have healthy fat with similar anti microbial properties as coconuts.

Off Topic / Re: Do not buy Coconuts!
« on: October 05, 2015, 12:14:01 pm »
May I humbly suggest you stick to talking about crops you know? Coconuts are unique in their salt tolerance, which is why growing them next to the ocean is ideal. Also, when they have their roots washed by saltwater regularly through wave action, they are able to take up the mineral richness of the seawater and make a much more nutritious food than otherwise. I've seen it in action in Costa Rica.

Coconuts can grow far away from the ocean, they only require alkaline soil and a humid climate. Most palms are salt tolerant. This is probably because when palms originated there was not the high organic matter level in the soil, the soils were much newer formed and much of the world was covered in shallow seas. Most of the soil probably Was salty.

Besides that, organic produce, crops and forages grown on healthy soils, can tolerate and even greatly benefit from salt including seawater and mined from ancient sea beds as well as derivatives of seawater which may contain little sodium chloride. Salt can increase yield in for ages as well as quality and increase overall health and rate of gain on livestock raised on these forages.

Coconuts can be planted in bunches and distributed to provide shade that benefits pasture growth and livestock comfort meaning livestock gains. Without producing so much shade it outcompetes grass, coconut roots penetrate deeper than the majority of the grasses roots, coexisting beneficiary. It is one of many tree crops that can be incorporated into livestock systepms and one of a few not generally consumed by livestock, though if processed can be fed to any manner of livestock to their benefit.

Coconuts I believe are the best source of medium chain fatty acids that are anti viral and antibacterial and the only other good source I know of is milk which is intolerable to some people. They are a clean source of water. I would wager coconuts save fat more human lives than the average vegetative food.

Off Topic / Re: Do not buy Coconuts!
« on: October 05, 2015, 11:44:10 am »
Its also unnatural having grass fed animals in feed lots eating cut hay, but this is the state of affairs in the modern world of paleo dieting. There is no avoiding having cultivated foods.

Human life does center around humanity, and maintaining a world with 9 billion large brained supper apes requires a lot of resources, but I insist that coconut grooves if done properly have very little environmental impact, unlike the other monocrops. You are also able to grow coconuts in places where cattle can graze around the trees.

Small scale manageable plots of coconut trees sustainably harvested along the tropical coastland is a far less environmentally damaging prospect than you are making it out to be.

I agree except that anyone growing "grassfed" "finished" meat from animals raised primarily in feedlots isn't going to have a high margin of profit as a great deal of the gross will be consumed by the vast increase of expense feeding mechanically harvested and stored feeds. This kind of farmer is probably already a hay farmer and is using livestock to increase the value of his hay. The farmer who is serious about producing high quality grass finished animals is probably going to be raising the animals the majority of the time on quality pasture. In harsher colder environments, longer dormant seasons are greater compensated by higher quality forages during longer days in what is often a longer growing season. However livestock can be raised on pasture forages year round in most climates. There is a purple cow association dedicated to instructing cattle growers how to finish the highest grade cattle on the highest grade organic pastures year round in almost any climate.

Off Topic / Re: Marine life in world's oceans vanishing
« on: September 18, 2015, 09:52:47 am »
That's completely ridiculous. The nutrients you are foliar feeding with have to come from nature. That requires much more labor and energy and destruction of nature to harness these nutrients to foliar feed them every day than it does to you have them in healthy soil. Maybe science would trump nature if there were only a million people to look after, but people are the largest body mass of any single animal species on earth save perhaps a few in the ocean, we need nature to nourish us, science will continue to fail to nourish us.

It really angers me, you tell us to stop worshipping nature, but you are worshipping science which is as of yet unproven. You are putting all your hope in science to help us when it is proven that nature can help us.

Also this article says skulls were 20% bigger.

Off Topic / Re: Marine life in world's oceans vanishing
« on: September 17, 2015, 11:09:03 pm »
The human brain has shrunk as much as 20% in the past 20'000 years. How can 5 or 6 generations be good measure?

Off Topic / Re: Marine life in world's oceans vanishing
« on: September 17, 2015, 01:16:30 pm »
SOUND SCIENCE IS KILLING US an article written by Joel Salatin.

Off Topic / Re: Marine life in world's oceans vanishing
« on: September 17, 2015, 12:56:02 pm » Bill Mollison's Global Gardener series episode 1 the tropics Episode 2 Dry lands Episode 3 Cool climates Episode 4 Urban This is a video out of a series called "what if we change" with guest Geoff Lawton developed and coined the term "Permaculture with Bill Mollison Larry Korn talks about Fukuoka Sensai Allan Savory talks about how livestock can stop global warming and revitalize landscapes and local economies. This is a slide presentation with Greg Judy about actually building soil with cattle while producing superior grass fed beef.  This is a presentation by Vandana Shiva about "Living as Earth Community" This is a video of a 2000 year old food forest in Morocco in the middle of the desert with tropical fruit growing in it. This is Joel Salatin he has lots of videos about his innovative grass fed farm in Vermont. He is one of the most profitable farms in Vermont and produces beef of higher quality and cheaper than probably anyone in Vermont.

Off Topic / Re: Marine life in world's oceans vanishing
« on: September 17, 2015, 11:58:39 am »
My response to the op, the solution is to stop raping the ocean, stop killing large breeding age fish, flip the size limit so you are not permitted to keep big fish, only small fish and make incentives so that eventually most of the fish commercially harvested will be the smallest species so we are eating on the bottom of the foodchain instead of the top. Studies suggest that we can eat massive amounts of krill and baitfish, more than the amount of fish we already eat and with minimal effect on the ocean. We need to be targeting these species that rapidly increase in population. We need to be eating fish with lifespans similar to gerbils and rats instead of fish with lifespans similar to people.

Off Topic / Re: Marine life in world's oceans vanishing
« on: September 17, 2015, 11:44:34 am »
Hydroponics and lab grown meat will be 100% much more expensive than naturally grown beyond any shadow of a doubt. The only reason you could possibly conceive otherwise is because of inflated property values, failure agricultural models and cheap readily available energy that is causing environmental harm. You still have to mine for and manufacture solar panels. None of this stuff is free. Even if what you say is true it just gives purchase for humans to create even more cities, keep rapidly increasing population and destroying the earth. It's like scientists forgot that perpetual motion machines don't exist and can't exist. Where are all these minerals and nutrients coming from? What form are they in? Are they synthetic or natural?

There is no free lunch.

Humans are never going to be able to beat the food production that nature is capable of, that can sustain us and laboratory technology will never beat natural nutrition without directly exploiting nature. Where do these nutrients come from to grow this meat?

We don't need all of these snake oil technologies, we already have all the answers we need, there are people who are paving the way for a better future right now, it's just not enough people are listening to them. We need to stop trying to be creator. Creation is already here, we need to stop being destroyer and start working with the planet because we are part of the planet. We can redeem ourselves to truly be the higher being on earth we think that we are or could be. We have the knowledge and ability and very simple technology to make the earth yield more than it did before we got here. We can turn the deserts back into grasslands and jungles. We could bring on another ice age if we wanted to. The problem is the vast majority of people are completely ignorant and afraid of what they do not know and the people in power are insane.

Hot Topics / Re: The opposition.
« on: September 17, 2015, 11:28:08 am »
This is technically correct. However, Monsanto has demonstrated a lack of the necessary dedication to ethics and good judgement that handling this kind of power requires.

IOW, they are scumbags with dollar signs in their eyes. You don't give an ethics-challenged money-hungry scumbag control over your food. Period.
This is technically correct. However, Monsanto has demonstrated a lack of the necessary dedication to ethics and good judgement that handling this kind of power requires.

IOW, they are scumbags with dollar signs in their eyes. You don't give an ethics-challenged money-hungry scumbag control over your food. Period.

It's not technically correct. Gmo's are created by combining different SPECIES from different KINGDOMS. Tomatoes with fish DNA, corn with bacteria DNA and unless the technology has changed since I researched it, it always contains DNA from antibiotic resistant bacteria and cauliflower mosaic virus. They get these genes by blasting them into cells with microscopic gold pellets and then hope that the genes fall into the right places. The vast majority of their experiments fail.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 02, 2015, 09:37:57 pm »
I just don't think people in our industry should be slinging shit at each other. I feel WAPF has been guilty of this as well.

Because it is evidence that humans had adapted to eat meat a long time ago and flies in the face of vegan theories that we must be vegetarian because of our anatomy.

Off Topic / Re: How About Bernie Sanders for President
« on: August 13, 2015, 11:41:07 pm »
This is rubbish. The simple fact is that blacks and hispanics in the US commit far more crime than whites do, so, inevitably, they also have much higher incarceration-rates in tandem.

No you are wrong. White people do pretty much just as much illegal drugs as minorities, they are just far less likely to be apprehended and even if they are they are less likely to be incarcerated. Most of the people in jail in U.S. are there for drug charges which shouldn't even be illegal anyways.

And by the way the scary criminal types I have known of and experienced throughout my entire life, almost all of them were white and I grew up in a "scary" black neighborhood.

Off Topic / Re: How About Bernie Sanders for President
« on: August 13, 2015, 02:20:40 pm »
The whole political show is always hysterical and now a days with social media it is worse than ever. All I hear on my facebook account from politically motivated people I know is either ALL LIVES MATTER IS RACIST because of esoteric reasons like supposedly more black people are murdered by cops than white people, while other people are saying BLACK LIVES MATTER IS RACIST because it is ignoring that there are Native Americans and Latinos getting murdered by cops too, but most people don't care about white people and basically think if you are mad white people are getting murdered by cops you are RACIST LOL.

Personally I am tired if the R word. No just because I am white does not mean if I say something slightly ignorant I am a racist bigot. And mabee I might even say something racist and I really have every right to because I am a human being and I don't think I should be hated cause I said one racist thing on occasion. Because you know what racism means? "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." Now that especially is tricky because you may not have meant to distinguish as inferior or superior but it will certainly be interpreted as such. Like for instance I once said, I wouldn't want to move to mexico because I might get robbed because of the high crime rate. I was denounced as a racist. But to really get to my point, the problem with constantly throwing around the R word is that the real racists who think they are superior, you know what is special about them? Nothing you can do is going to change their mind. You could be the Albert Einstein of sociology and racism and you couldn't crack their thick skulls. They are too stupid, they can't be helped. They are basically zombies.

I feel we are all one, I don't hate anyone, even the people I probably should hate.

America is a country founded in protest, it's our tradition. The price of living has skyrocketed, inflation has been going on, poor people in America are facing tougher times than they have in a long time, in some ways ever. We are also lazy and stupid but it is getting a lot harder to do that and still live well. So naturally a lot of people are up in arms. It seems like the biggest craze right now however is making it a racial issue, but it isn't just a racial issue, it's a national economic issue. It seems the media is helping this along, they are owned by the corporations who are responsible for much of the oppression DONTCHAKNOW.

Off Topic / Re: How About Bernie Sanders for President
« on: August 13, 2015, 02:04:10 pm »
I do understand strength and it is vastly overrated.
I do agree GS that it is odd what is happening in that particular scenario. I don't like it either. The best way I can describe it is that white liberals and especially politicians are per say "walking on broken glass" whenever race issues are presenented in front of them. A slip up could be career breaking. Not just blacks but white liberals would be likely up in arms over his perceived racism. I mean young white liberals basically assume you're racist if you are a white male. In either case, it should be noted that in both these situations they were not Bernie Sanders campaign events rather, he was speaking as a guest in other people's events, he probably left partly in frustration of the event organizers themselves failing to get the situation under control.

Off Topic / Re: How About Bernie Sanders for President
« on: August 13, 2015, 11:27:18 am »
Something I thought of GS was talking about wanting America to act on China. Don't expect a repub to do anything regarding China. Republicans are spoiled children who fight for what they want, not to protect anyone's interests but their own. The U.S. War record post World War 2 is total proof of that. Nothing but thuggery and international looting. Of course this is true well before WW2 and no doubt throughout the entire history of U.S.

Hey don't take my word for it, here it is from the horses mouth.

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
? Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier

Smedley Darlington Butler[1] (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940) was a United States Marine Corps major general, the highest rank authorized at that time, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history

Off Topic / Re: How About Bernie Sanders for President
« on: August 13, 2015, 11:17:02 am »
Pro Climate Change
Pro Mandatory Vaccination
Pro Big Pharma

Socialist my ass,
his version of socialistic healthcare is a farce. The Obamacare he supports is nothing less than a fascist takeover, giving record amounts of public resources to private interest.

The kind of socialistic free education he champions is not what this country needs, the university system is archaic and needs to be completely overhauled, simply using government printed money to pay into the privatized educational system is an epicly retarded waste.

Bernie supported the bill to pass Obamacare. He called it a good "republican" bill. He said it doesn't go nearly far enough, he supports a single payer system.

I'm sorry but it is hard to take people seriously when they try to act like climate change isn't real. It's not just science fact it's historical fact that climate change is man made. Now I will agree that there is much need for debate in the various specifics of climate change, we really need to get beyond the it does exist vs it doesn't exist argument because stating man made climate change doesn't exist is just flat out wrong.

Off Topic / Re: How About Bernie Sanders for President
« on: August 13, 2015, 11:08:29 am »
"myths of black victimization". Who do you get your information from, Fox News? 60% of American male prison inmates are black. The U.S. has 25% of the worlds incarcerated people. There are a million black people in jail in this country. The truth of the matter is that slavery never truly ended in the "land of the free".

Health / Re: liver spots, moles
« on: August 13, 2015, 10:56:16 am »
Is it not possible that is is from the body cleansing itself or caused by a past issue and not one in the present?

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