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General Discussion / Re: Dry ageing vs highmeat
« on: October 01, 2009, 12:24:26 pm »
Stefansson writes about fish in "The Fat of the Land". Fish was caught throughout the season and put under rocks to keep away scavengers.  It would be in various states of decay based on age and the time of year. The fish would freeze in the winter and would be thawed as needed to be eaten. It was eaten when it got to the consistency of ice cream.

Stefansson also points out that salt cured meats (dry aged) didn't have the same anti-scurvey properties as fresh (raw) meat. So it's not just the bacteria.

"The Fat of the Land" is out of print. But you can get a copy at:

It's an amazing book that I highly recommend.

Are lacto-fermented meats like salami considered high-meat?

Important Info for Newbies / Re: Sticky-Essay on The Advent of Cooking
« on: October 01, 2009, 10:39:55 am »
The link has changed. Here is the new link:

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Dairy Dangers
« on: October 01, 2009, 09:33:47 am »
The problem with trying to figure out dairy is that most of the "science" is pretty useless.
There are so many problems...

Fresh milk is so different than cultured milk. So most studies of fresh milk have no relevance for cultured milk products and vice verse.

Raw milk is so different from pasteurized milk that you can't make conclusions about one from studies of the other.

Studies of health outcomes from milk are really studies of health outcomes of not just milk, but genetically modified synthetic bovine growth hormone and pesticide resides, antibiotics and melamine, and the list goes on and on.

There is huge bias in the research as well. The dairy industry funds almost all the research. Most researchers aren't even asking the right questions, because of their false assumptions like:
Raw milk is inherently dangerous
There is no nutritional difference between raw and pasteurized milk
There is no difference between milk produced with or without concentrates (grain)

Milk is has a lot of carbs from the lactose but the opiates come from incomplete protein digestion or fermentation.

As for Price's work, there are parts that are either just wrong or feel weird when you read it with a modern sensibility. However, the core principles of his research are quite sound. That is, when a switch is made from traditional diets to industrial diets, health goes down. I don't think that traditional diets necessarily produced exceptional health, but no matter what level of health they did produce, went down when the diet was switch to industrial food.

Other parts which are sound are that humans need large amounts of preformed vitamin A, D3 and K2 in their diets for good health. That cavities and crowded teeth are caused by poor nutrition--a notion that is practically gone in the dental profession. The Ontario Dental Association just started laughable public service campaign claiming that cavities are a contagious disease! What' next a vaccine for cavities?

As for the accusation of cherry picking, I think that is unjust. It's not like he found groups where there was no difference in health outcomes between the traditional diet and the industrial diet groups and excluded them. Or groups that thrived without preformed vitamin A, D3 and K2 and excluded those. It was Keys who used selective perception to push the crazy anti-fat mentality that currently has a grip on our society.

Wai Dieters / Fructose
« on: September 30, 2009, 07:38:05 am »
Aren't fruit diets bad because of all the fructose?

There are good studies indicating that high fructose intake causes health problems.

Wai Dieters / Re: Water Diet
« on: September 30, 2009, 07:36:39 am »
Studies have shown that even thinking about sweet foods causes your insulin levels to rise.
The brain can't tell the difference between a natural and artificial sweetener. I don't mean YOU can't tell the difference,
I mean that when the sweet taste buds are stimulated, the brain makes insulin. This means that artificial sweeteners
may actually be worse than normal sweeteners because your body makes insulin and then there is nothing for it to
react with so it all goes towards making your cells more insulin resistant. Or at least that's how the theory goes.
There needs to be more research on this, but of course there is tons of money to prove Nutrasweet is safe and almost
none proving that it isn't.



Diet drinks and weight loss don't necessarily go hand in had. I've seen research showing diet sodas actually promote weight gain, not weight loss. In the next 2 minutes.

Diet Drinks :

1. Stevia Waters

Look, plain water probably doesn't excite you. It doesn't for me either. I like to have a nice sweet taste with my drinks. Problem is, sugar and man-made sugar substitutes suck and are bad for you. The way around this is to use Stevia. It's a NATURAL sugar substitute that's actually sweeter than sugar.

2. Protein shakes

This is a true diet drink even though you won't see it on the label. These fill you up moderately and are loaded with healthy protein which feeds your muscles, which in turn burn off lots of calories BECAUSE your muscles burn up 4-8 times more calories than your fat.

To put it simply, if you're not having protein shakes daily, you are not maximizing your weight loss.

Use these 2 diet drinks and weight loss will happen... it's as simple as that.

Welcoming Committee / The great white north
« on: September 30, 2009, 07:29:38 am »
I've been lurking for some time and decided to join.

I live in Ontario Canada near Toronto.

I've been influenced by the following books:

Nutrition and Physical Degeneration
The Fat of the Land
The Omnivore's Dilemma
Good Calorie, Bad Calorie
Manufacture of Consent
Guns, Germs and Steel

I am a philosopher by training so I tend to be pretty analytical and deconstructionist.

I recently stumbled upon the radio series "How to Think About Science" on CBC.
I highly recommend it. It's a little technical but is still very accessible.

Lately I find myself become more and more critical of all the "science" I see paraded around
in the popular press. As Taubes details in GCBC, there is very little science going on in the
fields of weight loss, nutrition, and chronic disease. If you haven't read GCBC, it's a must read.

The other book which really explains the overall process at work is "Manufacture of Consent".
Most academic and scientific disciplines are very poorly grounded in hard science. Instead, they
abuse their power as monopolists over certain areas of knowledge to basically do as they please.
Usually this means making lots of money. But it also allows them to institutionalize their own pet
theories and personal bias essentially free of the bounds of reality. Taubes does an excellent job
detailing all this. As Chomsky points out, "truth" has very little to do with the consent or the reality
that various groups with power are able to create.

Hot Topics / Re: Homosexuality in the Weston Price healthy tribes?
« on: September 30, 2009, 07:12:16 am »
Testosterone doesn't make men want to have sex with women.
Testosterone makes everybody want to have sex whether they are male or female, bi, straight or gay.

Hot Topics / Re: Homosexuality in the Weston Price healthy tribes?
« on: September 29, 2009, 01:48:07 pm »
I am 100% confident that there were homosexuals in the groups Price studied. I say this because homosexuality is a natural phenomena. As a previous poster mentioned, it's been found in virtually every species.
Homosexuality is fairly well understood in several academic disciplines.

Anthropologists and primatologists refer to homosexuality as a manifestation of "kin selection" (  When you have gay relatives, they help raise your offspring which give your offspring an adaptive advantage. Gay aunts and uncles collect and process food, help protect the group, provide child care, etc.--all without producing competition for your children.

Many species reproduce just fine asexually (they are all homosexuals)--although all such species are all female. I've never seen any accounts of all male asexual reproducing species--not that I look for this kind of thing.

Animal biology studies have shown that it is possible to not only control the sexual orientation of offspring, but also their sex and gender behavior. They could produce the following variations:

Hetero Male Male acting
Hetero Male Female acting
Hetero Female Female acting
Hetero Female Male acting

Homo Male Male acting
Homo Male Female Acting
Homo Female Female Acting
Homo Female Male Acting

The key is the timing, type and quantity of hormonal exposure in utero.

What's interesting to note is that all of the above variations have expression in humans--we've all seen these sterotypes:

Hetero Male Male acting--typical macho man
Hetero Male Female acting--effeminate man, but often married with children, suspected of being gay, but actually isn't
Hetero Female Female acting--typical feminine woman
Hetero Female Male acting--Masculine/gender neutral woman (Here Comes Pat), but often married with children, suspected of being gay, but actually isn't

Homo Male Male acting--Leather boy
Homo Male Female Acting--Flamboyant "queen"
Homo Female Female Acting--Love poetry lesbians
Homo Female Male Acting--"Diesel dyke"

See we all know the sterotypes, yet we often have a hard time working backwards to understand that these are all manifestations of the natural variation in the three basic sexual characteristics.

Here is a link to an interesting article about it:

The truly sad thing about this is the difficult position our culture puts trans-gendered people into. As you can see, when they say they feel like "a woman trapped in a man's body"--they aren't kidding, but I digress.

As for diet. Perhaps phyto-estrogens in soy and other plant based foods has an effect. There certainly have been numerous other, sexual related effects observed.
Ever watch Japanese porn? Man those guys have effeminate bodies and smallish penises. Now of course it's possible that Japanese porn producers just use regular guys where as American porn producers hunt down the more well endowed. I don't know much about Japanese porn. This last point is purely anecdotal by the way.

But milk, blood, fat and muscle tissue are all full of hormones so I'm not sure exactly how hormones in food really affect our health or reproduction.

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