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Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: February 11, 2016, 02:12:10 am »
I mentioned WAPF's troubles and FCLO in a blog post last fall: Reflections on the First P3 Foundation Conference. Might be an interesting read for some, and includes a few links related to WAPF troubles that folks may want to follow up on.

Hot Topics / Re: FFS
« on: January 24, 2016, 02:43:06 am »
Great video Derek. As I said though, while these particular farmers might be doing an exceptional job with their grazing operations they should not be considered the norm. The vast majority of grass farms operating in the Americas, Europe and elsewhere around the world are environmentally damaging operations. It will take a huge culture change within animal agriculture for grass farming to have the positive benefit that people attribute to those precious few operations that do it well.

Hot Topics / Re: FFS
« on: January 19, 2016, 09:59:48 am »
Actually, as someone who does LCAs for a living and works with a lot with grass farmers (in the US northeast), the claims made in the article seem quite reasonable.

The carbon footprint of building and maintaining an aircraft is large, but that total footprint is spread across thousands of individual flights so when you're looking at a single flight the carbon footprint ends up quite small, most likely negligible.

Also, while in an ideal grass farming enterprise the grass does sequester carbon, I suspect that for the average grass-based enterprise this isn't true. The average grass farm, whether here in the US or across the pond in Europe, is poorly run and pastures most likely overgrazed. These farms probably don't sequester much carbon, and could very well be a net source of C to the atmosphere from the soil. And if you graze animals that have for generations been heavily grain fed, their genetics and microbiomes are not well suited to a diet of 100 percent grass so they do fart more methane.

While I think it's always useful to carry a healthy degree of skepticism when reading articles like the one RF linked to, I also think it's important not to dismiss then out of hand when they disagree with our closely held beliefs. Sometimes our beliefs aren't based on reality.

This organization advocates a Mediterranean Diet. They are definitely NOT vegan. You can see the food pyramid they advocate for at this link.

General Discussion / Re: Frequency of food borne illness
« on: December 14, 2015, 10:14:31 pm »
I've been eating raw meat regularly since 2003.

I cannot conclusively blame any illness I have had on eating raw meat. I once got sick after eating raw chicken, but the symptoms passed after about a day. Salmonella, the illness most commonly associated with eating undercooked chicken, usually lasts several days and its symptoms are generally far more severe than those I experienced. The stomach flu was also going around at the time.

Personals / Re: Project Raw Paleo Footage
« on: November 28, 2015, 06:49:50 am »
Err, I would personally prefer to die suddenly than , er, "savour the experience of my death"

You might, given your prejudices regarding what the process of death feels like and what happens next. I've looked in the eyes of a decent number of non-human animals and one human while they died, and I would never wish a sudden death on anyone. Obviously it is unfortunate when animals (including humans) suffer extreme pain during the dying process, but this isn't always the case. Not sure if you've ever suffered a severe cut from a sharp knife, but it actually doesn't hurt all that much. I got a cut on my leg years ago that required 20+ stitches, and I didn't notice it until I felt my pants getting wet from blood. It's quite common for deer hunters to shoot an animal with an arrow and it doesn't even notice. The arrow goes all the way through and the deer looks around as if confused, then 60 seconds later it lies down and is asleep by 90 seconds.

I am sure that hunters might get a thrill from watching an animal die slowly, but the animal.....?

I'm sure there are some hunters that revel in the power they feel when they kill. Same with some military personnel and police officers. That represents a pathology, and is not the norm. I certainly do not receive a thrill from watching animals die.

Hot Topics / First Annual Paleo-Primal-Price Foundation Conference
« on: November 28, 2015, 05:16:35 am »
I attended the first annual Paleo-Primal-Price Foundation Conference this past weekend. I was pleasantly surprised by some of the discussions of eating raw animal foods that came up, both during Q & A with speakers and privately. For those interested in the conference scene, I invite you to keep this new foundation on your radar. I wrote a reflection on the conference and posted it on my blog.

Personals / Re: Project Raw Paleo Footage
« on: November 26, 2015, 12:09:40 am »
I agree with Derek, I think killing via knife (or arrow) is actually the most humane way to kill an animal. I co-taught a class on hunting earlier this fall for a group of women, and we slaughtered a goat via this same method. After the slaughter we talked about the process, and we mutually agreed that the gradual (60-90 seconds) process of dying that an animal goes through when its throat is slit allows it to relax into to the process of dying. A sudden gunshot robs the animal of that transition, and seemed excessively violent.

Anyone who posts here regularly have a blog they regularly post to? I just started one (, and while I do plan to talk about food and nutrition these topics will be among many I talk about.

Off Topic / Re: Crowdfunding a raw, palaeolithic diet study?
« on: November 04, 2015, 01:09:46 am »
What are your goals with this?

I ask because most people don't make their decisions regarding food choices based on research presented in scientific studies. I know several people who've read the recent WHO report on processed meats and cancer, for instance, and have said that they just don't care. All a study would do is subject some number of people to a very invasive research process, which might end up backfiring if the third party you hire to do the study ends up not being as unbiased as you'd hoped. The whole research thing sounds risky, to me.

If your goal is to motivate people to eat more raw, unprocessed foods and less cooked, processed foods, then I suspect you'll get better results by inviting people to tell their story via YouTube. Perhaps creating a format that people can use to help them organize their video, and tips on how to film themselves so they come across as intelligent, articulate and thoughtful.

Off Topic / Re: What are you currently reading, watching, learning?
« on: October 04, 2015, 06:38:27 am »
Currently re-reading the book Against the Grain: How Agriculture Hijacked Civilization, and reading Fields of Blood: Religion and the History of Violence for the first time. Recently finished the book Against His-Story, Against Leviathan. The author of this last book is very detail oriented (it's essentially a historical treatise of why civilizations started), which makes the book a little hard to read at times because it gets quite dry. Lots of gems for those interested in critiques of civilization and patriarchy.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 13, 2015, 06:44:26 am »
I haven't used Green Pasture products on years. I tried the FCLO/BO blend, and I can't say it did anything useful for me. I've had much better results with respect to healing cavities by oil pulling with coconut oil with a drop of antiseptic essential oil in it. While I acknowledge that some claim to enjoy benefits from Green Pasture products, I personally don't think they're worth the money.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 13, 2015, 06:15:24 am »
I just  read online that you are a WAPF chapter leader. I do hope you are not being targetted right now for any past so-called "transgressions"?

If the foundation closes down my chapter because of any so-called "transgressions" I won't lose any sleep over it. I don't gain anything by being a chapter leader, and I've received plenty of gratitude from those on my email list for providing both sides of the FCLO story.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 13, 2015, 04:50:45 am »
The reason Ron Schmid was prevented from speaking and selling at the conference was because he wrote an article where he blamed his heart problems on his consumption of Green Pasture's Fermented Cod Liver Oil. The article was called Too Much of a Not So Good Thing. This violated the WAPF policy for exhibitors and speakers that they are not allowed to say anything bad about any products that are sold by conference exhibitors or that are produced by companies that donate funds to the foundation.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 12, 2015, 07:57:02 pm »
For those who are interested, David Gumpert has posted a series of well-done blog entries about this controversy over the past few weeks. They are:

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 03, 2015, 05:32:54 am »
What 'industry' are you talking about RF?

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 02, 2015, 08:37:47 pm »
I agree with you Satya, I think this controversy will hurt both WAPF and Green Pastures. I will probably send out my local chapter's monthly email update this week, and will include links to Daniels' report as well as Masterjohn's and Sally's rebuttals. I half expect to get an irate email from Sally for even acknowledging Daniels' report.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: September 01, 2015, 08:48:41 am »
Not sure how all of this is going to shake out. The WAPF comments, which I received from Sally the day they were released on the website, acknowledges receiving over $20K from Green Pastures. They claim that the money is such a small portion of their budget that it doesn't matter, but if that's true then why take it in the first place? I'm not in a good position to comment on the validity of Daniel's report, but I suspect it's going to hurt Green Pastures whether it's true or not at this point.

A few years back I went to a co-ed weekend workshop on intimacy and sexuality. After the initial introduction, the remainder of the workshop was clothing optional and most of us shed our clothes. The workshop facilitators covered the signs on the mens & womens restrooms, and made both of them un-gendered so that both men and women used both restrooms. The restrooms had multiple stalls and urinals, so every time I used it there were other men and women using it at the same time. It seemed to work fine, at least for those of us who were emotionally ready for such an adventure. Perhaps most people in the US are too burdened by shame and self-hatred to handle a situation like that.

I also eat raw potatoes sometimes, as well as a range of other raw tubers. Sometimes I blend them into smoothies, sometimes slice them thin and add them to wild green salads. I recall the first few times I did this I got gas, but after that it's been fine. Seems to me that our microbiomes take time to adjust to new eating practices, but it does adjust.

Dirt smoothies sounds intriguing. I might try that.

I bet it's Derek (Sabertooth) just fucking with people. How long of a drive is this for you DN?

Raw Weston Price / Re: Green Pastures FCLO could be sham
« on: August 26, 2015, 08:11:48 pm »
This is an interesting ordeal. I'm a current WAPF chapter leader, and received an email from the foundation yesterday about this exploding controversy. Not surprisingly, the foundation has come out strongly in favor of their long-time position that CLO is good and Green Pastures makes a good product. I suspect there's a sponsorship on the line and the need to maintain that sponsorship is driving WAPF's decisions. I just downloaded KDaniel's report and will read it through if I have time. I find the fact that she wrote the report compelling, as she co-authored Nourishing Broths with Sally just last year so for her to come out against Green Pastures like this will probably hurt her relationship with her co-author and with the foundation more generally. Folks can read a response to allegations against Green Pasture products in this press release from earlier this year: Concerns About Fermented Cod Liver Oil. I haven't bought or used Green Pasture products in years, and have no particular desire to.

Nice articles, no surprises.

Hot Topics / Human race came from Australia, NOT Africa
« on: August 16, 2015, 03:45:31 am »
An intriguing article I saw on the Rewild Yourself Facebook group:

The First Race: Out of Australia, not Africa

Looking forward to hearing what people think about this.

Science / Re: Humans did indeed wipe out megafauna like mammoths
« on: August 15, 2015, 02:19:14 am »
For another perspective, watch these two podcasts where Joe Rogan interviews Randall Carlson. They talk about a range of things, but one thing that comes up is how the climate change that started the last ice age was probably caused by an asteroid or comet impact, which also happened to cause the extinction of many large mammals around the world. I thought both interviews were well done:

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