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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 30, 2010, 07:53:14 pm »
Yes, I'm new to this and I've mainly been using scissors.  I started off trying to dice things or hack bits off with a knife.  Now I sometimes notch it with a knife, but then pull (sometimes with my teeth) and use scissors a lot.

I was a bit worried I wouldn't like my  meat raw, but I must have a pretty clean palate.  Raw tastes just like cooked meat only better.  I ate some raw calves' liver the day before yesterday, and it tasted just like cooked liver (which I love) but a lot sweeter.  (Not even a need for scissors it was so soft - just teeth.)

(By the way, the liver had the odd hole in it like Swiss cheese.  Does anyone know if that means something about the animal's health?  It came from Germany, and it said the animals were "specially selected" whatever that means.  In the future I want to get organic grass fed livers from my posh butcher.  I've been too shy to visit them yet.)

When I bought beef lifer a week back, it also had a hole. It's probably nothing to worry about.

Holes in beef liver:

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 30, 2010, 05:33:59 pm »
Ok I just ate my oxtails. (Thinking pause how to put it into the best words)

I haven't had anything like this before. All the beef sold here is lean and had to munch on butter to get my fat. These oxtails were full of fat. I feel so satiated! I cooked them only on the sides to make them warm/hot. It tasted so good that I am going to include it as a main part of my diet. I loved the taste of fat and the tissue. It was like a sweet treat.

But there is a small drawback about the oxtails. It takes hell of a time to eat them raw. I tried to eat them raw as much as possible. I probably ate them for an hour and I am boiling the rest right now. If you want to eat oxtails raw better make sure you have some very sharp scissors or knife.
I wonder if cavemen would cook the rest to get all the meat from the bone...

Unfortunately there was no eatable bone marrow inside the bone as I hoped.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 30, 2010, 03:06:33 pm »
   I used to chew on all the bones too.  Before I became VEGAN FOr NEARLY 30 Years, I remember someone said to me "I don't have to tell you there are children starving in Africa".  I didn't like meat back then, unless it had a bone in it.  Thinking back, although I didn't like meat, I did like bones.  I found the marrow, tendons, gristle, and cartilage to be nice to chew on and swallow bits.  I chewed open whatever bones I could, like chicken.  I chewed on fish bones (and fish skin).  I don't think I was like a caveman, more like a skinny canine that somehow disliked the meat every single dinner and lunch.  I did like sweetbreads when I tried them as a child, I liked them a lot.  I (accidentally) frustrated my parents to no end maybe, them buying good meat, me not really enjoying it and going gaga over the bones.  I had never had the opportunity for raw bones back then.

    Thirst for minerals?  Need for connective tissue?  

It does feel like mineral deficiencies or addictive/psychological. But if it was mineral deficiencies, you would crave on different other foods also unless the bones contain some unique stuff that simple foods don´t have. Clacium ?

I certainly couldn't have cracked the rock hard white parts of the lamb bone I was eating this morning with my teeth.  (Although once I got the cartilage off the ends, I could gnaw some way into the porous red bone underneath.  Eventually I gave up, and later on I gave it to my sister's dog.)

Hehe, I thought you were eating the whole bone with your teeth. My imagination of cracking the teeth not the bone was right.
unfortunately, there's no marrow or spinal stuff in the middle. it's just bone. the fat around the muscle is good though

What about those foods containing bone marrow. I read up from the google about people ordering bone marrow which and they will be served with the bone filled with liquid bone marrow.



I read about Aajonus eating one stick of butter with a banana 4-8 times a day after strong mushroom poisoning which destroyed his liver. I wonder why was he doing it. Does it have some kind of healing benefits (I mean the banana and butter combination). I tried it also and ate 100g butter with a banana. Well, if it doesn't have any healing benefits, it tasted damn good!  Next day I mixed the banana with butter and ate it. It really is a treat! Next time I will mix it and try putting it into the fridge. I wonder if it takes the hardened shape.
Heh, it's far away from zero carb but I will try not to make it into a habit :)
 

It's funny how my mother caught me munching on butter today. I was eating the butter and my other said "Please don't eat it, your cheeks have grown so big already" (I have been doing paleo for ~2 weeks) . I wonder if it's psychological and my mother is just imaging it as my cheeks have not grown bigger but the face lines have become more sharper.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 30, 2010, 04:30:11 am »
   I've never seen them.  I assume most (natural) animal products if not all are better raw.  If you are accustomed to cooked foods, this would be a good one.  It would have to be cooked all through, not just whatever meat or skin might be on them.  Like I said, not having seen them, I have little conception.    

I suppose you already googled them but nevertheless here is a picture of oxtails
http://mllenoelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/raw-oxtails.jpg

They look yummy and I have exactly the same looking things in my fridge! Probably I will find out tomorrow how "awfully" they can taste :)

I love chewing on bones of all kinds - I always have, even though for nearly all of my life the bones were cooked and some could splinter dangerously.  (People used to tease me about being a caveman.)  I have certainly chewed the bones in ox-tail soup.  And just this morning I was chewing on the remains of my raw lamb leg bone in the bath (so as not to make a mess).  I guess it depends how strong your teeth are.

So the bones are edible with our teeth ? I understand that one who has eating SAD can't crack the bones with their teeth. I remember having problems with my teeth when I was young. They used to crack easily. Never had problems now since my diet has improved over the years until now when I went paleo but I would be careful eating it right now :)


Thanks for replying.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 30, 2010, 03:20:38 am »
   I think Jamaican people boil oxtails to make soup.  I think it gives a lot of minerals and amino acids to the broth.  I'm sure people of many cultures do this, but I think it is more common and celebrated with them.

    Maybe a farriers file would serve to grind them down raw for bone-meal use.

Is it safe to eat them raw or better to be boiled ? Heh, using farriers for the bones. Nice idea ;) Can I get calcium overload eating bones ?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 30, 2010, 03:05:09 am »
I was shopping for meat today and found oxtails (beef tails) and bought some. Are those bones eatable ?

I am also happy to report that after taking 1g Vitamin C (I did also use salt and potassium chloride to increase my Na/K), I didn't experience the flushing face today which I described before. Although It's not paleo but it eliminated the social barrier that I started to experience.


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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 27, 2010, 03:27:49 pm »
Blushing is a natural reaction to emotion in some people.  Maybe your body's natural blushing reaction is starting to work properly.

(Although it might be an uncomfortable state for you, I read somewhere that there is some evidence that people who blush and seem shy are more attractive to members of the opposite sex, maybe because they are seen as honest and virtuous.

I've found a (silly) link (but it means I didn't imagine it):

http://www.javno.com/en-lifestyle/blushed-faces-seen-as-attractive_247695)

EDIT:  More simply, everything natural is beautiful.


Hey!

When some blushing might be natural and beautiful then flushing definitely is not. I think I described my face redness wrong with blushing. It´s more like face flush like seen on this picture http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/12981/19_2007/Picture%201_1.png
It´s winter here and it never happens outside! :) But when in the classroom , there is much less oxygen and much warmer. I am 20 and it should not happen as I wasn´t experiencing facial redness before ;). What I found is that it could be from increased blood pressure or hormones. Hopefully it´s just temporary and disappears when I am through keto-adaption. Thanks.

Hi Jarnapal and greetings from the other side of the border!

Blushing is almost always a subconscious reaction. Anyhow, there`s several types of redness. Since your reactions developed after consuming better food, I would not be concerned about it. Don`t be unsure.

Do you know Aajonus? He told me that we shouldn`t worry about immune system. Medical "professionals" get benefit from your fear. So, don`t think your cortisol levels. They`ll normalize over time. Hardly any of us recommends synthetic vitamins. Vitamin C a.k.a ascorbic acid, is strongly irritating poison.

I recall that you mentioned ground beef. Whole cuts are always preferable, because they don`t oxidize as much.

Pork is never recommended, due to un-special grain-feeding.

The EU gives you all kind of problems. Use of gaseous carbon dioxide (-80) in slaughterhouses is one. Tonfish isn`t a clever choice, they`re always halfly raised. As well as other seafood like oysters, due to radiation (herbs, fruits and raw cheeses are radiated also).

Find out every potential hunter and small-scale (organic) farmer.

Hello Kokki! Nice to see someone closer.

Yes I might definitely agree with it being psychological but something must be increasing my bp (I have heard of body trying to cool down the blood, just like in elephants. They cool their blood by moving the ears). Or it could be increased anxiety. But like I said in the first quote I am hoping that it´s just because of increased fat and my body trying to manage it.
Well, I still might try that Vitamin C because it´s not just blushing (it´s lovely when girls blush but me Flushing.. No :) ) but whole face getting red and it´s very uncomfortable.

I haven´t bought any ground beef right now til I get answer if it´s 100% GB. It looks always too good to be true :) I would love to give up pork but our beef cuts are so lean except ground beef which is 80/20. I will try eating more fatty fish like herring which is really cheap here.

"herbs, fruits and raw cheeses are radiated also" Really ?

Thanks Kokki.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 27, 2010, 04:07:33 am »
I have upped my intake of fats and muscle weakness doesn not seem to bother me anymore. Thanks, I feel better now on this point.

But since going to zero-carb or VLC I have started to blush easily. Sometimes my face gets red whenever I want to ask something in crowded people or when I am in airless classroom, my face just goes red like it´s hot there.. I will try 1g of Vitamin C next time as I suspect that my cortisol might be high but what can I do more about this ? Or is it just a period - zero-carb adaption ?

 :)

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General Discussion / Re: Cod
« on: January 24, 2010, 12:06:03 am »
So what about herring then ? Safe to eat raw ?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Tapeworms? Salmonella?
« on: January 23, 2010, 11:11:24 pm »
Uh Pretty scary http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/5/691

An anisakid nematode, identified as Phocanema sp. fourth-stage larva, was "pulled" from the throat of a 46-year-old Alaskan Eskimo.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 23, 2010, 04:39:37 am »
combining cheese, egg yolks and meat with each other is indeed unhealthy

 Oh sorry I was referring to meat and fish.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 23, 2010, 03:49:33 am »
I eat fruits on empty stomach quite often. That way the're easily digested. About one hour after fruits I eat my whole meat-and-fat meal.
Read this - http://drbass.com/sequential.html
But when I eat dried fruits I eat it with raw butter 1 hour after last morsel of meat.

Thanks for the link Hannibal. I visited it once. Lots of good information on it.. Whats good with zerocarb is that you never ever can combine your foods wrong. But there is also a statement not to combine different protein sources with what I kindly disagree with.

Do fruits ever make you gain weight or are you strictly watching your intake of calories ?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello from Estonia
« on: January 23, 2010, 02:12:53 am »
Hello.

I experience thirst like what you mention after eating a lot of raw meat.  I quench my thirst with hydrating raw fruit. Try raw omnivore next time. Try raw vegetables next time.

I seem to put on weight easily when combining vegetables or fruit with lots of meat. Also, as I am so new to this, it just could be carb addiction because 400g of ground beef doesn´t seem like much. But then, when I drink glass of water I feel better but soon am thirsty again. Definitely something to monitor if the thirst lessens over time as detoxing takes place.


Welcome Jarnapal. :)

I personally get tired and thirsty if I'm eating too much protein and not enough fat.
As you got these symptoms when eating the egg as well (with a fat dense yolk) you might just be dealing with the typical keto-adaption people transition through when they cut back/out carbohydrate sources.
I don't recall overwhelming thirst being a problem during this transition though so it's possible it's a combination of the two.

Thanks djr_81.

Not eating enough fat could have been the case. I was eating only ground beef. I will check it out next time when eating it. Will boil some pork fat (for safety) as beef fat is not available here. Pork fat is sold everywhere.. :)

I have been looking for keto-adaption. I have been following almost zero carb for over a week. At the beginning I was feeling more tired but my energy is returning slowly. But I´m not sure that if eating raw egg yolk would push me into keto immediately.

I will increase my fat.

But it's not good to combine meat, that digests at very low ph levels with fruits which digest at high level.

I have also read about it that it´s not good to combine meat and fruits as different digestive juices are needed. I was following it for a while a year ago and truth is my digestion got much better. I also didn´t drink any water with the meals and when I started to drink with meals again, I felt the difference. Something like putting some pepper on food or not. Pepper helps with nutrient absorption but excessive water would dilute the digestive juices ( at least it is what I have read about. Sorry if I was wrong). But then, taking fruits on empty stomach would give a sugar rush that someone who is sugar senitive wouldn´t like.


Hi  Jarnapal
I've just started too and I get noticeably thirsty after eating raw meat.  It could be detox, or - a sudden  brainwave - maybe the meat is bloodless - it's dehydrated - days away from the way we'd have got it after a kill?

It´s so overrated subject. Everyone is talking about detoxing these days. I hope it´s true and that the detox hype is not overrated.
What I can think of my thirst (if it´s not related to low fat) is that body is ready to release toxins but asks for water to expell the toxins.

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Welcoming Committee / Hello from Estonia
« on: January 22, 2010, 11:40:04 pm »
Hey, I´m from Estonia which is one of the Baltic states in Europe. I first got interested in zero carb when reading articles by "The Bear" and then got interested in raw food. I could never thought of eating raw food as I was such a paranoid about parasites and worms and all those bacteria that could be on the meat. Even when I would have eaten one piece of raw meat, I would get worms and get sick. Well, I was wrong. I was brainwashed by the media. But don´t get me wrong, I just jumped in for this lifestyle.

For about a week and a half, I have been eating almost  zero carb cooked meat but except the milk as I somehow get depressive and negative thoughts if not consuming any dairy. But few times I have also tried raw meat and today I "drank" raw egg straight from the shell and ate about 400g of ground beef all raw. What an adventure! I liked the taste because it was sweet and tender and not tasteless and hard like the cooked meat is.

It was all good to the point of eating all of it. Later I got muscle weekness, I was tired and somewhat thirsty which never stopped. It was same with the raw egg. Is it normal to feel tired after eating raw meat as I just begun eating raw ? And could non-stoppable thirst be from detoxing like I have read from the forums ? I feel better after drinking the water but soon the thirst and tiredness returns.

I will keep testing and trying with different raw foods. And lots of good information to read from the forum. Thank you for the forum!


  Jarnapal

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General Discussion / Re: I simply dont understand salmonella and e coli
« on: January 17, 2010, 10:22:10 pm »
maybe it is because I expose my meats to the outside air?
I have the notion that if it is exposed it gets good bacteria.
That if the meat is wrapped in plastic and cannot breath it gets bad bacteria.

Been 2 years and I also feed my kids raw meat at times because if I havent been sick then it must mean it is safe for them.

my raw meat is always freshly killed / caught. stays in the ref up to 2 weeks.

Friday I bought my beef that was packed 15th. It has been in closed box. Is it safe to eat it on Mondays morning ?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Tapeworms? Salmonella?
« on: January 16, 2010, 05:09:52 pm »
Can dangerous parasites even live in the 0 carb environment ? Some parasites live on sugars. No carbs no sugars. No environment for the bad guys.

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