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General Discussion / Re: My steaks turned brown in the fridge
« on: February 08, 2010, 09:04:18 pm »
Hey my steaks turned brown in the fridge. They were wrapped in tinfoil. Are they still okay to eat raw??
thanks

Why are you wrapping your food in tinfoil ....

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General Discussion / Re: Stomach Pains
« on: February 08, 2010, 09:50:52 am »
I'm not sure why you're using wikianswers, but that statement is not true

Bacteria isnt randomly scattered throughout the body, but it is prevalent in every part of the body


You cant localise the massive amount of bacteria in the body, to a few select organs


Bacteria takes many forms, you could even argue, our cells are types of bacteria, but that isnt the assumption in this case

The tissue in our brain & muscle, doesnt grow & repair magically, it requires bacteria to perform those functions, & those bacteria have to be onsite

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Soon I will be able to get raw goat milk and I will try to see if I can replace water/veg juices with kefir. I need to get the kefir grains first.

btw I read that kefir needs sugar to eat so I don't see how it could work using only animal fats. If someone succeeds let me know.

Lactose is a sugar

I meant can you create kefir, using suet or raw animal fats as starter bacteria

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General Discussion / Re: Stomach Pains
« on: February 07, 2010, 04:24:53 pm »
Roony,  your writings remind me of the way I must have sounded many years ago when I smoked pot.   I would take a little bit of information and weave it into a fantastical story.  I also had even a much greater ability to believe what I wanted to.  Know I realize I know very little.    I think it's true here, that almost everyone's diet is evolving as we learn more.  I doubt that hardly anyone, save one or two, would state emphatically that they have settled into the ultimate diet that will serve them to their grave,  that they wouldn't make changes or find out that they had done something inherantly not healthy after all.   

Not even worth replying to, clueless typical sheeple, enjoy your bleating


Looks like the natives ie miles are getting restless lol


Yes .... your fridge magically slows the rate of decay & keeps the meat edible ...


I'll let someone else field the stupidity in this thread, had my fill of dealing with morons

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General Discussion / Re: Rapid Evolution Counterargument Against RPD?
« on: February 07, 2010, 04:19:13 pm »
So lies are infinite and contain truth, whereas truth is the foundation of reductionist error and reality isn't real? Why is George Orwell's 1984 coming to mind right now?

Your credibility with me just went down another several notches, and it wasn't mainstream culture that caused it to go down.
Because my type of science does not involve reductionism. There have been and are scientists and philosophers of science who argued against reductionism and for holistic, pragmatic science, such as W. V. O. Quine (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Dogmas_of_Empiricism#Quine.27s_holism). Others in this forum have also promoted non-reductionist science.


lol stick to your limited state of reality, your credibility went down as soon as you got scared of alternative views, from scaring away the mass sheeple

You obviously havent got a clue about holism, holism is not a science, regardless of how many scientists say it is so


Science in any form, is easily the lowest form of philosophy on the planet

Real philosophy, distances itself from stupidity such as truth and lies, & a beginning & an end

Your own post shows you have no clue, regards real philosophy & how the real world works


Stick to your limited perception of the world, & one of the lowest common forms of enquiry, you're obviously going places ....

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Primal Diet / Re: The Inuit diet - detoxing or not?
« on: February 07, 2010, 04:07:29 pm »
I tried that. It didn't work.  I used to eat tons of shrimp, but that didn't get the job done. Besides, I'm allergic to shrimp now.  I average about 3000-5000 IU daily of D-3.  I don't know of many foods that have that much Vitamin D-3.

Eat a herring a day for 5000 IU

Theres also the origin of the vitamin d in the softgels you're consuming, & its bio availability, wouldnt touch those things with a pole ... bleh

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Off Topic / Re: Salamanders anyone?
« on: February 07, 2010, 04:03:52 pm »
Robert O. Becker M.D., a bone man, while at a V.A. hospital in northern New York state, used salamanders while trying to discover how come they can grow a new leg or tail, while we can't. It turned out that the difference is that they have relatively huge diameter nerves compared to brain size, while we have wee skinny nerves in comparison - so the electrical field generate by the ends of the cut nerves is too weak (and, he wrote, switches to the wrong polarity).
He invented the electrical field-generating widget that is used to this day to make bones heal better and quicker in hospitals, and actually got human amputations to regrow an inch of bone before his grant was cancelled.

His book was called "The Body Electric".

Nothing to do with nerve cells, it's relatively easy to grow back fingers etc. as long as you catch the injury in time

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Off Topic / Re: Salamanders anyone?
« on: February 07, 2010, 10:00:33 am »
Did you also check to see if it's endangered?

meh, we dont believe in endangered species, we believe in natural selection & survival of the fittest ...

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General Discussion / Re: Rapid Evolution Counterargument Against RPD?
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:56:47 am »
Yes, and when it is just another religion it is not true science, which is why I specified that I use science as a tool, not as a religion.
Science will never have all the answers and any so-called scientist who thinks the purpose of science is to provide all the answers is engaging in religion, as Matt mentioned above, not science. Science is a practical tool, not a magical provider of perfect, final answers to all questions. Science is more about questions than answers. Nothing really provides all the answers, though advocates sometimes claim that their religions do.

This is the thing, how can you use science as a tool, if it's basic premise is reductionism, which is basically institutionilised atheism, the dullest form of religion known to man, at least the hindu's get to have great sex, & the zionists smite everyone lol

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General Discussion / Re: Rapid Evolution Counterargument Against RPD?
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:19:23 am »

"Science" is often just another religion. We are told nonsense by respected scientists, what we know to be false - such as, meat is bad for us, saturated fat is bad, fluoridated water is good. Global warming is unproven speculation promoted as "science".
Part of evolution is true, but this does not mean all the derivative speculation regarding evolution is true. We know Neanderthals share the same key gene for speech "modern humans" do, but then we also are told there are no shared genes, even though only a small portion of the Neanderthal genome has been mapped. Maybe we evolved from primitive primates who ate termites, and learned to scavenge bones. Or maybe not.
We do not know how the universe started, we do not understand time, we do not understand life, soul, conciousness. "Science" does not have all the answers.

Precisely, science will never have the answers as nature, is infinite, you cant reduce it to science, or atoms

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Primal Diet / Re: The Inuit diet - detoxing or not?
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:16:26 am »
I don't have the time for hours of daily sunbathing, nor do I live in a place where that's even an option during the winter.  I think I'm better off taking my softgel than I would be using a tanning bed.

You can get all your vitamin d from raw foods ... the vitamin d from supplements is nowhere near as effective as raw food

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General Discussion / Re: Rapid Evolution Counterargument Against RPD?
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:01:32 am »
Fiction and imagination is cool as long as it's not presented as fact. My concept of science is just a tool, not a religion or world. Science as religion is not science to me. Of course, like any tool, science can be used for both good or ill and the very fact of using it effects how we look at things and outcomes, but I find it to be a useful tool. If you prefer not to use science at all it will be difficult for us to communicate on matters of nutrition, health, biology, anthropology, etc.
Do lies and errors have a grain of truth?
Your imagined reality may be useful to you, but it may not necessarily be useful to me. Imagined hypotheses are part of science, except that unlike in dreamworld we put them to the test using criteria we can agree on.

Yes, all lies & errors have a grain of truth, also lies & errors can actually surpass the truth, & are actually even more useful, as theyre infinite, the truth is a limited instance, a fixed point

Truth is the basic unit or foundation of reductivism, or to deduce


lol why the hell would you want to test something infinite?


Reality isnt real, why would you want to test it?


Reality is simply a agree'd on set of units, like mathematics, an agree'd upon mass hypnosis, where we agree to walk into walls & count atoms


Reality is simply a way of displacing our perception of reality, into units of time & distance & finitism in the form of reductionism

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General Discussion / Re: Stomach Pains
« on: February 07, 2010, 08:41:30 am »
ha, you are quoting about gut flora which does contain a lot of bacteria.

we are not talking about gut flora, we are talking about fresh meat which kurite ate .

gut flora only exists inside the intestines, mainly colon, and some in the stomach (h-pylori).  there are no bacteria anywhere else inside the body (unless there is some kind of infection).

there is no bacteria inside fresh non-ground meat and there is no probiotics of any kind inside fresh meat.




lol what the hell is wrong with this forum today ... Read this quote .... "Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria."

Translated .... Basically ALL meats are MADE OF BACTERIA .... what do you think keeps the meat fresh & prevents it from decaying? magic ... ? lol

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Primal Diet / Re: The Inuit diet - detoxing or not?
« on: February 07, 2010, 08:36:00 am »
I'm not sure I understand your response.

I really dont see the point in isolating something like vitamin k or activator x, its a result of grass fed substances, its the fact theyre reared naturally is important, trying to attribute it to vitamin k or activator x, or some other fictional vitamin, is ludicrous

Ultimately its the environment responsible for the creation of vitamin k, ie the grass, why dont we market the grass responsible for creating the vitamin k & call it vitamin J, & market that to cows & farmers ...

lol the supplement industry is insane ....

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General Discussion / Re: What exactly are paleolithic forms of carbs?
« on: February 07, 2010, 08:11:38 am »
I dont see why bother with this.  Juicing fruits is a bad idea.  It will be too sweet. obviously.

I do diluted orange juice fasting... never juice feasting.

I wasnt suggesting anyone try this, i was simply making a point ...

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Hot Topics / Re: Supplements
« on: February 07, 2010, 07:18:37 am »
Well, I get the same effects of being calm and being able to sleep a lot better from both vitamin D-3 softgels and extremely high amounts of sunbathing.  Would you call that a rush of endorphins and adrenaline?  l)

Obviously not, no adrenaline involved, if you're relaxing, endorphins perhaps, but ingesting isolated substances, especially vitamins, softgels or otherwise, as theyre out of their natural state will always cause disease

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General Discussion / Re: What exactly are paleolithic forms of carbs?
« on: February 07, 2010, 06:29:58 am »
Fructose does not raise insulin levels, or nowhere near the level that pure glucose does. This is one of the reasons why glycemic index can be misleading and can be misinterpreted. Gary Taubes explains this thoroughly in GCBC and so fructose cannot be treated just as another sugar.

I thought you denounced zero-carb here but you were simply saying you believed a heavy muscle meat diet was not good. I remembered incorrectly and thought you were implying you thought it was necessary to consume vegetation.http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/health/which-rawdiet-is-most-oxygenating-and-where's-the-proof/msg25605/#msg25605

Also, you ignored for the second time my question on what you do and how long you have been at your current practice.

I do like your idea of raw honey and kefir and hopefully try something like that in time.

Try juicing an apple, orange etc., for the length of a week or so & measure your insulin levels

Do the same for honey

Prolonged large amounts of fruits & honey, will alter your insulin levels drastically


The research you're referring are tested in limited conditions, the conclusions they come to are theoretical & will never be as effective as the research suggests, due to the many extenuating variables in reality


On paper & in theory, it might work, as people like gary taubes point out, but there are EXTENUATING factors, mainly environmental factors, which drastically diminish the protective effects of plants grown in DEVELOPED countries & modern farmed honeycombs


Also you have to take into account, most people's immune systems are severely compromised from eating cooked foods, AGE's & carcinogens, can last upto over 40 years in human cells, so if you've been eating cooked foods upto the age of 20+, you'll need to hit 60 or 70 years of age, before your immune system can process products like honey, without the negative effects, most paleo dieters seem to be seeing today


In theory, yes fruits & honey should be good for you, but because of our poor environment & compromised immune systems, in reality the results will vary & the effects can be negative



I havent been able to test wild fruit & veg grown in optimal pristine conditions, ie a tropical jungle like the amazon, if you live there go nuts ...


Also i never suggested taking raw honey with kefir, as raw honey is unsustainable re. health


As for your question, consider it ignored for a 3rd time, as this is a public forum, but i can state, i've been a RP for about 3-4 years & i've researched the RP diet & health for 7+ years now

Feel free to pm if you have any personal questions




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Journals / Re: majormark - so far so good
« on: February 07, 2010, 05:36:28 am »
They had air all the time in the fridge as I had a lid over them which does not seal tight at all, plus I took them out every day to get a piece.

My concern is that I would not be able to eat them before the smell spreads in the whole house. The liver smells the strongest and tastes the weirdest. I never understood how some people actually like liver.




Most peoples taste buds are severely deformed & under developed from eating a cooked diet, the massive amount of nutrients simply overload the senses, creating the unpleasant sensation/flavour etc.,


I know plenty of people who chew down on liver & kidneys & love the stuff lol

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General Discussion / Re: What exactly are paleolithic forms of carbs?
« on: February 07, 2010, 05:30:08 am »
 To equate the unrefined fructose in fruit to the refined fructose in corn-syrup is totally absurd. Not only does fruit contain far too little fructose to have any discernible effect but comes with antioxidants etc. which negate any possible negative effects, however minor.

Fructose isnt the only culprit in fruitarianism & vegan's, ALL photosynthesis creates carbohydrates

If fructose has no discernable effect, then why does breaking the cell walls surrounding the sugars in a fruit, when juicing fruits, cause the same insulin response as any other sugar & carb?


IF fruit has so little fructose content, then why is it's BRIX content, the measurement of sugar, as much as 2-5+ times the amount of regular vegetables high in fructose such as carrots?



But trying to put the blame on fructose & carbohydrates, is merely simple symantics

The main reason plants & fruits are unsuitable is the large amount of undigestible matter, ie cellulose & undigestible proteins & nutrients

The sugars & carb's simply compound the problem

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General Discussion / Re: Stomach Pains
« on: February 07, 2010, 05:10:17 am »
i actually did google search and i could not find any studies saying there is bacteria inside fresh flesh.

your argument "oh it is a known fact" without any evidence whatsoever gives me an impression are you simply full of shit.

prove your "fact" and i'll admit i was wrong, but for now you are just another troll.

this forum is not about movies or other dontcare stuff, this is about health, people come here to look for answers that can change their lives, and when you post "facts" without proof it must be rejected.

lol high horse, i wouldnt be posting on a forum freely, if i was egoist ...

I'm not the sort to cite research for ppl who arent willing to do their own research, heres some results from a simple google search of   "body made up of bacteria"


" Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria.

This group of organisms, traditionally referred to as "normal flora" (although they are not plants) is composed of a fairly stable set of genera, mostly anaerobes. While each person has a relatively unique set of normal flora, members of the Streptococcus and Bacteroides make up a large percentage of the inhabitants.

These organisms contribute to our existence in several ways"


You might also find this useful


"Viral Diseases: Antibiotics do not work against the virus.

Once you have a virus, you either fight it or die. Viruses are parasites. They are neither alive, nor dead. They cannot reproduce by themselves; they must force other cells to make progeny. The virus is made up of DNA or RNA surrounded by a protein coat. It takes over cells so that it can reproduce itself.

The cell usually dies after reproduction. RNA viruses are not stable and therefore, they mutate often (actually the bacterial cells in your body mutates them, its a natural defence mechanism - roony).

Ebola is an RNA virus; this is why it can mutate so quickly. DNA viruses are more stable and therefore, they mutate less often."


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General Discussion / Re: Rapid Evolution Counterargument Against RPD?
« on: February 07, 2010, 04:28:29 am »
Correct, which is why I avoid reductionism.


Kwl, you also have to realise a persons imagination & sense of fiction will always be greater then any truth, as our definitions of truth & methods of physical & spiritual enquiry are steeped in reductionism

Our ability to tap into a sense of fiction is crucial as,

A persons imagination will always surpass any truth, or fact, as it is all encompassing & infinite

By not stepping outside of the gentrification & coloured lenses of the sciences, you cant step outside of the self & see the world around you as it is in its entirity, without an infinite & inquisitive imagination & sense of fiction,

to push you past the current status quo, alternative views & theories, are simply a step in that direction, feed your sense of fiction & allow your mind to experience the fantastic


Everything has a grain of truth, your mind & imagination simply surpasses the need for truth, your ability to create your own reality & theories is alot more useful

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General Discussion / Re: Rapid Evolution Counterargument Against RPD?
« on: February 07, 2010, 04:02:09 am »
Open-mindedness is good, but so are questioning, skepticism, critical thinking and putting hypotheses to the test.

Not when they're grounded in reductionism & its religion modern science & it's enforcer modern society

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General Discussion / Re: Stomach Pains
« on: February 07, 2010, 03:55:44 am »
i don't think it is funny.  no, it is not obvious.  if you can't back up your "facts" please do not post them here.


i guess i do not have better things to do, so here is my link, published in NY times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/dining/for-safer-hamburger-grind-it-yourself.html?pagewanted=1

Sorry, but if you cant be bothered to do a simple google search, i've got better things to do, your loss

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General Discussion / Re: What exactly are paleolithic forms of carbs?
« on: February 07, 2010, 03:50:33 am »
So after denouncing zero carb a few weeks back you now recommend it to your patients? When did you start your practice and what do you do?

All carbs are not simply sugar.

Fructose does not raise insulin and there seems to be no off switch for it.

Since when have i ever denounced zero carb?



Believe what you want ... ?

Go ahead join the fruitarians etc., they must be doing something right, right?


All carbs are sugar's, regards to how your body processes them


If you want to nitpick over the finer points of carbs, be my guest, a low glycaemic index doesnt make a carb any healthier

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