http://superhumanradio.com/components/com_podcast/media/mp3s/SHR_Show_420.mp3

Show 420 is up

Thanks for the follow up B.Money

Lol I love it when people start getting worked up telling guys like us that we are on keto diets and try to tell us how bad it is for our health.  Oh well... Not much can be said to these people that is worth the effort.   

If you haven't listened to this already, then listen.  This is a must listen for guys like us

http://superhumanradio.com/components/com_podcast/media/mp3s/SHR_Show_420.mp3

throw it on your annoying neighbor

The only difference you are going to notice from raw paleo to SAD/bodybuilder diet is being leaner year around, POSSIBLY stronger, and a LOT longer to gain weight. At least that is my experience.
If you asked me, I would say I am not sure if its possible to get big off of RPD (compared to a diet with starches and grains), but I do think its possible to be strong and lean.

"December 23rd -154lbs- January 27th- 161lbs" - total 35 days
Stopped bulking from February to May

Started bulking up again in May  
"May 5th 163lbs - July 2nd -168-170lbs"  total ~60 days
95 days bulking = 15 pounds
this is all covered in this log. Bulking is very possible on RP.


For most, bulking is very hard on RP, that is why I made this topic in the first place.  There is a method to doing it.  Consistency....  Every single day, no excuses, CALORIES EVERY DAY this means  4500-6,000kcal per day. EVERY DAY.  Consistently.  I found bulking significantly easier on RP(the food is more nutritious, digests easier, better utilized by the body, low toxicity).  I believe the problem is people just don't eat enough and don't take advantage of fruits and honey.  LOTS OF FATS!  and of course at least 1-2 pounds of raw steak a day.  It is hard to bulk period, no matter what you eat.  AND it is especially hard on RP because when the body gets good food, it feels full and satisfied, and your body basically says "hey that was enough good nutritious food, I am well nourished"  and it's hard to force your body to eat more when your body feels good and is in homeostasis.    Forcefull feeding is not everyones cup of tea, and it is harder to forcefully eat on RP than SAD in my opionion, since the food tastes sooo good. 

Maybe I am in the minority? who knows for sure.  

Perhaps I have hit my peak leaving my previous bulking efforts minimal at best.  Only these next 6-8 weeks will tell if I can bulk to a respectable weight on RP.  

I do appreciate your logical thinking and your lifts are amazing for a guy at your body weight.  So you obviously know what you are talking about.  How tall do you stand?  I will take your advice for strength pushing into serious consideration.  I just hate taxing my body and overtraining.  Maybe take a low rep method?  Do you eat low carb?
 

Are any of you guys registered over on any lifting specific forums? I have a log that I log pretty much every workout over at www.ironaddicts.com . It would be awesome to see some raw guys over there learning and posting up logs regularly, since I am the only one.
I would highly recommend getting active on a board, and posting up a log. Ironaddicts is small and kinda like here where everyone (for the most part) gets along and has similar minds, and offers each other advice. Pretty tight knit.
Oh, also this site looks like a bodybuilding site, but its very much so strength emphasis. The site originally got popular by making the "get stronger to get bigger" concept. Like I said, it would be awesome to follow some of you guys on there, or if you guys are on any other sites post it up!

Never registered with any bodybuilding site.  To be honest there is too much information for me to search through, and since eating raw, I am only interested in what works for raw paleos.  I'm also after size, not strength or definition(yet). 


Do you have a direct link to your log that I could take a look at?  Hell I might even take up your offer...

And it's a different kind of gain. Carb gaining is much more water bloated muscle look which you lose very very fast if you don't eat like a beast.

Primal diet gaining (keto) I gain size slowly, but strength really fast. But the strength is there to stay. My muscles feel more condensed and there's definitely more strength per pound.

Can you briefly describe what you eat in a day or two, and maybe a little on your recent training?  How are you energy levels throughout the day?  If that is you in the profile pic then yes you are a beast.

Hey all!  It's been over 6 months since my last login in I've missed you all

Unfortunately there is nothing exciting to update.  Once I hit 170 I've been maintaining it and going through the motions as far as weight training.  My calories have been cruising around 2000-3000kcal per day, sometimes less.  Since taking up sobriety for 5 months my muscle mass doesn't wither away so quickly anymore.  

BUT this is a perfect time for a growth phase...  I suspect the gains will come quickly with a good program and diet shock.  I'm 168 today and would like to hit 180 by the end of March.

So, any ideas on training? New diet ideas?  Has anyone had progress lately?  Any good logs going right now?  Bulking? Cutting?  Your goals?  Let's Discuss!!  I've been out of the loop


I will start my growth phase this weekend.  Will include more info on this run so we can all learn from experience:
-Full workout log
-Bodyfat
-Daily diet
-Bloodwork(if I can convince the student healthcare center to do it for cheap) hopefully a full blood profile and total testosterone in addition

Just to be clear I won't be turning this topic into a daily log, but give updates on significant gains and improvements

Would like to experiment with high frequency approach for maximal bulk (train 5 days a week, adding weight every week to the exercises) with multi-joint exercises more specifically :
-Deadlift
-Squat
-Overhead barbell press
-Pull-ups/rows
-Dips/Bench Presses

Thoughts?

No, Randy Roach eats plenty of carbs, mostly raw I suspect.

From the superhumanradio interview raw eating follow-ups Randy Roach follows AVs juicing methods, and eating 1 fruit a day.  Pleanty of honey and avocados with his meat.

How do you figure these don't fill up glycogen?  I've always found mine to fill up very nicely with fructose.

Dextrose drains me.  Potatoes and oats are sugarbombs, they drain me even harder.  They can even make me pass out it is so intense, along with stomach cramps.  So these aren't used.  Replenishing glycogen isn't one of my top priorities after a workout anyway.   

What methods do you use for replenishing glycogen?

Protein and fats only after workout up to 3 hours after.  There is a great show on superhuman radio explaining the science behind it featuring Dr. mauro di pasquale... although I can't locate it yet.  When I find it I'll post link

Yo KD, I don't consider myself a hardgainer anymore the gains are really coming in quick now.  I noticed that if I eat big, then sleep immediatley after a workout the gains come on a lot faster.  Also resting a little more in general helps.  I know a lot of people don't have this luxury though.

Do you still consider yourself a hardgainer?

I'll just eat a banana and take spoonfulls of the almond butter and coconut oil, no special preparation, I'm far too lazy

I really like the banana and oil snacks, they are one of my best tools for keeping the body anabolic.  I cannot afford to go too long without eating or I will lose muscle.  Gotta stay anabolic

MRZ I would recommend you get as many foods as possible into your diet, after all variety is the spice of life.  I have developed food intolerances to certain foods because I ate them too much.  It's really crucial that you switch up your diet every now and then

As you can see my diet has changed A LOT since the start of this topic.  Still is changing. 

If you start feeling tired and fatigued, and are not growing, it could be something as simple as you are eating too much of the same food.