Not every cancer is a fungus.
Some cancers are metabolic.
High fat high carb will increase metabolism and get rid of cancer.
Something like the theories of 180 degree health matt stone.
My friend Vander Gaditano has mastered this art of healing metabolic cancers.

I'm sorry GS - I'm a bit confused. Who said that cancer is a fungus?

The link Phil posted regarding honey said,
But they suggest they (honey products) may cause apoptosis (cell suicide) or have direct effects which are toxic to the cells, or which help the immune system fight the development of tumours.

I thought that the question regarding honey was about the ketogenic diet and if it counted as a sugar/carb to be avoided or not???

By the way "apoptosis" in the quote above can mean the normal death process of the cell. There are cures that are based upon killing out the microbe within the cancer cell and making it back into a normal cell so that it will die a normal death. Honey is anti-bacterial, anti-viral and anti-fungal so part of how it might be working is by making the cells normal again by killing out the microbe. The best thing about these therapies is that they do not make for all the swelling, mess and clean up that therapies that directly kill cancer do so the process can be much faster. One of the big challenges of alternative therapies are that so many of them are so good at killing cancer cells that the detox from them can become a problem if done too fast.

Perhaps honey fits into the same category from what Phil posted as sugars linked to components that have been proven by science to have cancer cell killing properties. I have a list somewhere of all the common foods I could find like this if anyone is interested in incorporating a direct cancer-killing aspect to their ketogenic diet approach or who might not be able to get rid of all sugars/carbohydrates. 

Dorothy, would you like to tell more about how your mother recovered? How was her diet, did she fasted?

The sister and father from my SIL both had cancer, ovarian cancer and prostate cancer. Quite recently. Both got cured with fasting on certain vegetablejuices for 40 days. My SIL just told me about it when they visited a week ago. So intresting! But that is like ketogenic WOE, just fasting with vege juices. They live in Yugoslavia and have no money for other cancer-treatment. My brother sent them the juices from Sweden, they don't cost much. Imagine, they was not even fresh-juiced vegejuices, just organic pure juices in bottle! Still helped so much.

Inger

Wow Inger, bottled juices. That's amazing.

This brings up a very important point. Every cancer patient has a compromised liver and pancreas and their bile systems are almost always backed up. That's why pancreatic cancer is the most deadly - the organ responsible for producing the enzymes to fight cancer is the organ that is ravished by cancer and unable to function. Sometimes a diet can work simply by taking some of the stress off the digestive system to let it heal. But there's a caveat.

I'll give you the example of my mother. She was very old and had had many diseases - most of which were well under control through diet having lived with me the previous 10 years. But when she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer the doctors did not expect her to live more than a few weeks. They would not give me appointments for 6 weeks later and..... because they did not expect her to live they gave her (without telling us) only a temporary stent in her bile duct. The procedure was very hard on her so I had to curtail her fat intake to make it so that she would not have to go through it again until I was able to get rid of the cancer and then hopefully it would be able to be taken out entirely. With this, the stent that was only supposed to last 8 weeks at the very most lasted 8 months instead. But the lack of fat had it's repercussions. My mother started to shake and stutter but none of the doctors would address it because they expected her dead very quickly. They would not let us see a neurologist until very close to the end of her life when they finally figured out that she lived so long that it was worth addressing. What was happening was that she had been misdiagnosed FIFTYYEARS earlier as having had a stroke when it was actually the start of Parkinson's Disease that had progressed very slowly. Without the good fats and with the intense immune stimulation that I was giving her with her cures (Parkinson's Disease is an auto-immune disease) her PD went into over-drive. Her central nervous system broke down. When she died a year later she had no cancer - she died because her central nervous system gave out. At the very end Phil was able to help me to bring her back from delirium. With a permanent stent in I could feed her good raw fat. She was then able to die in her senses, in no pain at all (unlike the terrible death pancreatic cancer would have been) and with no medications so that she could go peacefully in the middle of the night at home. But, if I had not removed the good fats because of the stent she would probably still be here and relatively healthy.

It is vitally important not to decrease other aspects of one's health in the process of getting rid of cancer. Cancer is as easy as pie to get rid of if you do not use the modern medical approach. The trick is to increase your general health at the same time!

The human central nervous system needs good fats..... yet..... with cancer the ability to process fats can be compromised. There are ways to support the body in being able to heal the liver/pancreas/bile system to better handle good fats.

The reason that the Budwig diet is so successful is because it takes flax oil and by-passes the liver by combining it with sulfured dairy. Another approach might be to help the liver to be able to do it's job well again. One way that many approaches use is to do liver flushes/cleanses like carrot and beet juice and other such things. The problem with these is that they can be quite a strain and would not allow the body to go into pure ketogenisis like what is being suggested in this thread. I could not do such things with my mother because with bile duct stent bile stones/slush could have gotten stuck. What I did instead was use peppermint - which literally dissolves bile stones and sludge and very very gently, but quickly and efficiently, cleanses this system and makes it stronger. Before I started it she was building up enough stones that they were contemplating taking out her gall bladder, but within a couple of months the stones and even sludge were pretty much gone. I highly recommend peppermint tea, tincture and oil to cleanse the bile. The other powerful ally could be milk thistle plant. It is a marvel at strengthening and supporting the liver. Lecithin might also be useful as it helps to break down fat.

One can avoid fat to de-stress compromised organs, one can by-pass the organs like in the Budwig protocol or one can try to rebuild and strengthen the organs. If it were me, knowing what I now know about how pivotal the central nervous system is to everything, I would choose to gently cleanse and strengthen the organs while giving the body the very best possible fats possible and not deprive the overall system of such important nutrients if at all possible. Gerson originally gave people raw liver because giving a person liver - strengthens their liver!

If you are on a ketogenic diet the cancer cells have to die. Logic dictates that it has to work because the cancer cells will have to starve. The trick is to do a ketogenic diet in a way that does the least amount of stress to the organs and supports the organs.

The last thing a cancer patient needs is poor quality meats with hormones, ingested pesticides etc. and with a compromised liver getting rid of the toxins that cooked meat produce is going to be even more of a challenge.

There are herbs that are used to fight parasite and bacteria that also fight cancer. If one is worried about eating raw meat with a compromised immune system these resources might also be used.

I'm sorry if this has gotten too long or if I didn't fully answer Inger's question - it's just that what I posted here I feel are things I learned that are most pertinent and too important to leave out for cancer sufferers that might be reading this.

There is so much conflicting, confusing, opposing, nonsense out there on diet, that it is difficult to talk to people about it because they have either reached information overload or they have read some diet book that said this or that.

You hear "eat veges for fibre", then someone writes a book on how fibre is destroying people.

You cannot discuss with people. They have to find out for themselves.

My background is Ayurveda which acts as my filter for information.

The problem with "science" and "research" is that it is typically funded by someone selling something.

Exactly. Money. That's the whole problem in a nutshell. The big question is how will people find out for themselves? Most people do not have a clue to go anywhere else but to their doctor who is funded by the pharmaceutical companies and have to be on medications and feel miserable for the rest of their lives. At least there is a place like this where people can talk directly to other people that have healed themselves. I think we can discuss. People are suffering, modern medicine isn't working and people are searching. I read a while back that 75% of Americans have used some form of alternative healing modality and diets are an American obsession. People want to hear what has worked for real people that they can talk to more than someone selling a book. There is a tremendous upsurgence in interest in traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurvedic medicine. I for one would LOVE to hear how Ayurveda views salt if you would care to share your knowledge.

oops - sorry raw-al and all.  Ganas means Desire. I've lived in the states with strong Hispanic populations and it's one of the words from Spanish that has made it into American slang in those states. Being not only a forum with members from all the states but also from around the world I should be more careful with my words.

It would take a real desire to build up the energy and focus for such a project as Dan has undertaken. It is impressive and admirable. Each project like that takes research and time and the word ganas is actually more of an appropriate expression than desire because it incorporates more of the sense of a strong will to overcome obstacles. My chickens and gardening were like that. The paleo diet is like that for me now as I'm sure aquaponics will be in the future. I'm thinking that I will start with a very small aquaponics system in order to learn the basics first hand so it is not too overwhelming - just like starting off with 3 chickens and a tiny coop. We are now expanding as it was a success. Oh - and I just have to gloat - I took 3 of my 3 hens' eggs to the Austin Bluebonnet Egg Show yesterday and won SECOND PRIZE in the white egg category. Is that a hoot or what? All these kinds of projects can be so rewarding. I have a nice little list of them at this point and together they combine to create a good deal of happiness.

Ah - then the licorice might not have been good for him as an individual maybe? Herbs can be quite particular. I've read that licorice is a hundred times sweeter than sugar (but maybe I'm remembering wrong) and that's what makes the fact that it balances the blood sugars and repairs the adrenal glands so ironic. That paired with how it can raise blood pressure and that it is such a great digestive all together without any real negatives besides lowering potassium (and maybe the male breast issue??? - but first I've heard of it) made me think of it right away for joejac. I think it is the most used herb. It's because of the sweetness and because it enhances the action of so many mixtures nicely. If it made male breasts larger generally I would think that I would have heard of that because it's in almost every herb mix so any man that took those mixtures might have that problem, so it would be surprising if it wasn't in any of the herbal literature that I have. I'm going to research that more on-line because it's a pretty serious side-affect.

I believe I read in Nora Gedgaudas' recent book Primal Body, Primal Mind that cancer cells require glucose or fructose for their metabolism, and a diet that is carbohydrate poor will literally starve them. If this is correct, it might provide a rationale for the benefits of a ketogenic diet, because a low-carb diet will necessarily reduce sugar intake.

Hi Eric.

Cancer cells use sugars poorly at 1/10 the efficiency as regular cells. They have to ferment the sugars and produce uric acid in the process. They steal the nutrition from the rest of the cells and that is why people go into cachexia and look like skeletons even if they are eating. All the energy goes to the cancer cells. People rarely die from tumors themselves - they die from malnutrition. You are absolutely correct that a diet low in sugars starves out the cancer cells. When people are trying to fight cancer if they get rid of all carbs except the fruits that have anti-cancer properties, the cancer cells now starving readily take in the sugars along with the things that kill them. For this reason diets like the grape diet for instance work. There are quite a few fruits and vegetables with active cancer killing components. Processed sugars and grains are the first thing that any decent cancer diet removes. Cancer cells cannot survive a two week long fast like regular cells can - but when a patient is already weak the fast itself can kill the patient. Taking out all carbs though still provides nutrition to the weakened immune system and the rest of the body while starving out the cancer cells.

Joejac - I'm sure you must know this already, but just in case you don't, in the modern medical model, it is when blood pressure gets below 80 for the systolic and 40 for the diastolic that it is considered a problem. Of course what you feel is more important. At 90/50 they will start watching closely because it is cutting it close.

What did you eat before going primal that you felt ok with ...... what changed when you went primal? I thought primal eating was just a very small amount of fruits and sugars? FYI - Beets are one of the higher sugared vegetables - the juice in particular, but they also make your liver dump and scrub your gall bladder.

Meat contains salt in a form that is easier to take.

Yes, yes - of course - especially if raw it's quite digestible. My point is that all these studies regarding salt and high blood pressure and heart disease are about people that eat a high carbohydrate diet. Heart doctors these days tell people to stop eating meat and fat along with removing all salt from the diet....... and to eat more vegetables and salads. Telling them to stop eating salt and more greens is a horrible combination. Any studies that are done are also done with NaCl without any of the trace minerals intact.

None of it would really apply to a paleo diet - but man - the harm they are doing to people in general is really a shame.

Thanks for that video. Inspiring. I saw him in Food Inc right? Such an incredibly cool guy.

Where I live there is this wonderful man that makes these chicken tractors for people with small amounts of land. They are on wheels so you can just pick it up and move it from place to place in your yard if you don't have a fence - and he makes bigger ones to be taken with tractors from spot to spot on a larger tract of land for the chickens to plow looking for bugs and fertilize the earth piece by piece before planting. He even makes one with a removable bed that catches all the poops that you grow your vegetables in directly. It's like a rotating chicken poop composter.

I'm amazed at how many farmers and their supporters and backyard growers like me there are around these parts that embrace these views. It's what makes it possible for me to eat RAFs. I hope it spreads everywhere.

At the very least it's a good thing to know about in case you get stuck in a mine or fall down a hole. 

This brings up the subject of who y'all are willing to share your eating habits with. Do you tell only your most trusted friends, your health-care professionals or anyone where the subject comes up? I read in Lex's journal that although his teeth improved he wouldn't tell his dentist why. Have any members had bad results at work when it got out that they eat raw paleo? Has anyone broken off an important relationship over it? What are some of the most common reactions?

I just told my sister-in-law (one of the first times the subject came up.... because we were talking about curing cancer for one of her friends) and she said, "I'd never eat raw meat". My response was that I seemed to remember an entire rather large package of cold-smoked lox disappearing with a good deal of glee the last time she visited. Her response was, "Well, if I could live on just salmon and raspberries I'd do it."

Awesome - just in case you don't know the words that Techy used - if you have thyroid or kidney disease or a propensity towards kidney stones they aren't good in high quantities generally for folks with those conditions.

Oh Darn - and now I can't find that same link again. Sorry about that. When I finally do come across it I will come back and post it or send it to you directly.

But here - this you might like even more. It's a youtube video of a small shelving unit that someone used to make an quite small indoor aquaponics system in.

The size is completely contingent on how much room you have and the size of the fish you want to have. You could use prawns as they take up very little space - or even goldfish that will only grow to the size they have available (they both are extremely hardy). I don't know how goldfish taste though. The fish you choose are dependent on the temperatures. There are lots of choices.

HERE IS THE LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgbucjrxLVg

Some people never eat the fish and raise expensive and beautiful koi - but many do and for a RAF it would be half the crop! 

My outside system will be hundreds of times larger than the one in the video. The flexibility is the beauty of the thing. The more space you have the more you can grow of course. But even if you just have a small corner you can grow something.

There are big factories where they have the systems set up and people do it on tiny scales in their homes. Neat huh?