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Welcoming Committee / Re: solid foundation
« on: September 17, 2008, 04:53:11 pm »
There are dozens of websites detailing how to cut up deer carcasses:-


http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/natres/06504.html
 Just Google.

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General Discussion / Re: Sickness vs. Detox
« on: September 17, 2008, 04:48:21 pm »
I suspect that the truth lies somewhere inbetween. I mean wild animals on healthy diets can get diseases which kill many members of a herd. On the other hand, it's well-known that children of farmers get sick much less than children in urban environments. The author and former vet, James Herriott, noted that the healthiest children in the Yorkshire Dales were the children of the man at the slaughterhouse despite(LOL!) the fact that they regularly played with the rotting innards/guts of the animals their father slaughtered.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Big Strong teeth
« on: September 17, 2008, 04:49:30 am »
Interesting.., I also read they had healthy teeth because of the small amount of sugar the Eskimos consumed.

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General Discussion / Re: Ultimate Longevity Anti-Aging Diet
« on: September 17, 2008, 04:43:06 am »
Probably wouldn't get a reply that the entire room would agree on. For instance, what consensus would occur between the mountainous swiss who ate rye and dairy and the Inuit who were nearly entirely carnivore? They might come to the conclusion that modern foods are far too rich in adulterated materials and too sparse in decent nutrients. They would probably also laugh at us for thinking their dietary habits are gross  ;D. I think that's all the consensus you'd get though. They might also tell us to exercise more. Not sure. As far as organs and fat as a priority, I'd have to say that it would depend on the culture. But I don't think they would unanimously agree on their primacy.

I should point out that I'm not an expert on primitive cultures  :(

Weston-Price did investigate numerous, different tribes with widely different diets. However, he did find some common characteristics:- Those tribes he met who had  largely vegetarian diets were the least healthy, while those diets with lots of animal-food-intake were much healthier. He also noted that the healthiest tribes were those which incorporated at least some raw animal food in their diets. The implication is, therefore, that they would have benefitted from more raw animal food in their diet.


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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Big Strong teeth
« on: September 17, 2008, 04:36:57 am »
Well, the argument is usually that eating cooked-food led to weaker jaws, though there are other theories such as bigger brains leading to weaker jaws, due to alignment/space etc.


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General Discussion / Re: What are you eating right now?
« on: September 17, 2008, 12:20:57 am »
Yesterday, 1 whole ox tongue plus 4 small lamb's hearts, today  2 live lobsters(well, killed just before eaten) - all eaten raw, naturally.

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General Discussion / Re: Dried Liver
« on: September 17, 2008, 12:03:59 am »
Well, I take raw adrenals which have dried, powdered liver in them - freeze-dried not raw. I prefer to recommend real, raw non-dried liver, though.

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General Discussion / Re: Acid-Base
« on: September 16, 2008, 11:22:27 pm »
Well, the zero-carbers view it as bunk. One thing I can safely state is that the whole acid/alkali theory is based around the idea of a cooked-food diet consisting of acidifying cooked animal food and alkalinising plant-food. It's a fact that cooked-meats are much more acidic than raw meats, with processed meats being even worse. So, even if the acid/alkali theory is correct(IMO, unlikely), the expected proportion of acidifying foods like meats/eggs etc. would be OK at a much higher level/percentage than it would be on a cooked-diet.

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General Discussion / Re: Raw Paleo Parenting Tips and Experiences
« on: September 16, 2008, 11:17:01 pm »
The thought of raising children in the states under a raw animal regimen kinda frightens me actually. Americans (IMO) tend to be overly concerned with what other people are doing and our public school officials can be downright nazis at times. I've read some horror stories in the alternative press regarding school officials basically doing everything they can to preempt parents from raising their own kids. My biggest fear would be the wrong official finding out that my kid eats uncooked animal meat and then getting social workers involved on the assumption that I'm trying to "poison" my kid. Of course its poison to them, because it doesn't meet the established criteria for normal food, which would of course me a quack and a crackpot unfit to rear children. But who knows? I might just be paranoid or something.

I think that as long as the parents raise their rpd child without causing them malnutrition or obviously neglecting them in some way, that the authorities wouldn't stand a chance. There've been 1 or 2 cases of Raw vegan parents going to court because their child died of malnutrition and neglect, but many other Raw Vegans who raised their children on a deficient raw vegan diet did not get into similiar trouble because they weren't deliberately starving their children.

Anyway, I know of a number of families in the US who are raising their children on the Primal Diet or something raw and very similiar, and they don't get hassled by the authorities. There was a family called Haigwood who starred on one of the Wifeswap episodes some time back, who all ate the Primal Diet - despite the fact that numerous people phoned the authorities, after the show, to notify them of the Haigwood kids being "abused/neglected etc." as a result of this diet of rotting meat etc., the authorities did absolutely nothing as they said the children were clearly not coerced and quite happy with their situation, as well as reasonably healthy.

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General Discussion / Re: bugs
« on: September 16, 2008, 06:44:47 pm »
I tried eating (dead) maggots before and they tasted foul. I've also eaten the eggs(pre-maggot-stage) the flies laid - didn't taste good, either, though that mght be psychosomatic due to horror of insects. Pre-rawpalaeo, I would accidentally swallow live insects while bicycling didn't taste of anything, AFAIK.

You'll find a lot of info on the net re eating bugs under various ethnic cuisines. The aborigines ate the witchetty grub for its fat, the africans and  chinese eat grasshoppers(cooked?) etc. etc.

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General Discussion / Re: how long does it last?
« on: September 16, 2008, 06:23:37 pm »
I have experienced the liver liquid as well so buying once a month sounds good. I have been told not to eat meat that has been frozen only refrigerated (chilled)...?

If you put the fridge at a very high setting, I suppose it's fine. It's just that a month's supply usually is too large and has to be put in the freezer.

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General Discussion / Re: how long does it last?
« on: September 16, 2008, 06:11:13 pm »
Wouldn't drying them in the sun be kinda like cooking them hence defeating the purpose of eating them raw?  I won't be putting them in the ground here in Hawaii, too hot. :)  I'm trying to get away from utilizing a refrigerator if possible. 
That's it then!  :D  So, I guess the guy who ate meat that was a year old was valid.  In that case, maybe I'll consider ordering enough meat to last me for two or three months.  I don't mind eating stinky meat either.  Actually I have eaten raw pork that was pretty foul but I only did it once since I wasn't sure if doing that was safe or not.  Nothing to worry about now though with this new found info and all.  Great! ;D  (I'll probably use a fridge anyway hehe)

Oh, yes, of course, Hawaii might be a problem re drying. Some RPDers use dehydrators at 100 degrees fahrenheit to dry their meats.

Re fridge:- Every RPDer uses a fridge, unless they are "outside society" with their own farm full of livestock etc. Most of us live in cities etc., where people object strongly to the smell of aged raw meat.

Re stinky meat:- Just because I'm a long-term RPDer and don't mind stinky meats, here and there, doesn't mean that I eat raw meats a year-old. I don't mind eating "high-meat" that's a month to 6 weeks old(if it's ox-tongue or ox-heart), but that's not my primary food, usually, it's just an extra bacterial supplement, AFAIAC. I loathe the taste of aged, raw meat past a certain point(5-6 weeks?) - some organs such as liver become a liquid bacterial soup after some weeks, which I find disgusting. So, eat the meats mostly fresh and freeze as much as you can - as, otherwise, you may find that you'll have to throw most of your meats away. So buy once a month, like many RAFers do.

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General Discussion / Re: how long does it last?
« on: September 16, 2008, 05:52:22 pm »
A way  to preserve raw meats include drying(eg:- in sunshine with a covering to prevent any flies getting in). Storing meats in ground(doesn't preserve them, but it's what the Eskimoes did (in frozen ground) to make stinky high-meat). Pickling might be an option. Plenty of websites available online re both subjects.

When I first started, I couldn't face eating any raw meats that weren't absolutely fresh(ie they had to be less than 2-days old). As time went on, I got lazy and didn't eat them immediately and found I'd got used to the taste of meats aged for longer. I'm now so used to it all, that I don't mind eating very stinky organ-meats(though some long-timers prefer organ-meats reasonably fresh). Why don't you just freeze some of the meats, and keep enough unfrozen meats to last 7-10  days - then you can work out what works best for you.

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Journals / Re: Squall's Journal
« on: September 15, 2008, 11:35:24 pm »
I like the idea of a water-fast, which I'm assuming means that I can drink water. Should I also take some probiotics during the fast or should I just pass on that. Mind you, I've got none of that good EM stuff mentioned elsewhere. I have some decent stuff though that I've been happy with in the past.

One question regarding fasts: will I have to worry about hypoglycemia and low blood pressure? Will it come and then go once my body adjusts? Or will I be dealing with it the whole time? I still have to go to work and all and I'm already having a difficult enough time there these days.
Don't use probiotics until the fast is ended. Anyway, it's only for 2-3 days until you get your raw meats, right?

My only experience with water-fasts was that I was unable to continue them, easily, past 4 days(continuous days, that is), due to increasing hunger-pangs which interfered with other activities.

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Journals / Re: Squall's Journal
« on: September 15, 2008, 06:13:51 pm »

So what do you guys think I should do til then? Fast? Follow a cooked paleo, low-carb regime? Cleanses?

Another thing I'd like to point out: some of these threads are freaking me out! People are talking about some serious transitional problems. I'd have to say that having to rush to the bathroom every 15 min. or so for a few weeks is going to cause some serious problems at work. Then there's all the talk about the heart palpitations and stuff. Heart problems scare me too. This is probably the first nutritional program that I've walked into not being completely optimistic. Which might be a good thing, since my other adventures contained too much optimism, often at the expense of realism. But anyway ...

One last issue: what's the deal with liver and carbs? Some people seem to keep saying eating liver is like eating carbs. What's the deal with this? I thought it was protein and fat?

You might want to fast for the next few days((raw)juice-fast or water-fast). Better than eating cooked-palaeo.
Re bathroom/toilet every 15(-30) minutes:- That was presumably a reference to my own experience. Actually, it only lasted 2-3 days for me. Anyway, everybody's initial detox is widely different - most(?) take a couple of days, some take a few weeks, while others experience no detox at all. Plus, symptoms are all widely different:- some people will feel fatigue, while others get constipation or diarrhea etc. - it all varies greatly from individual to individual.

Re heart-palpitations:- I was referring to a zero-carb experiment or two, in my own case, not to rawpalaeo in general. Anyway, I'd already had worse heart-palpitations etc. in the years before going rawpaleo, when I was either on Raw Vegan or cooked-food diets. Bear in mind that some others who've done zero-carb have done fine - so, just experiment and see what works.
If you're woried, you could always start doing minimal cooking and then gradually reduce the average temperature by 1 degree, adding any raw sauces if you want to.

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General Discussion / Re: eating cold meat
« on: September 15, 2008, 06:00:19 pm »
Wel, I certainly don't like to chew frozen meat but I've bolted it down in the past. I don't recommend it, realy.

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General Discussion / Re: Natural Eyesight Improvement
« on: September 15, 2008, 05:52:37 pm »
I really would like to lose my glasses as much as possible, but my vision is just so bad!
I'm sitting like two feet away from my screen and I couldn't read a single word on here if it weren't for my glasses.
I wouldn't be able to tell who someone was from a distance while walking outside if I didn't have them on.
I certainly wouldn't be able to read anything up on the board in class without them.
 :'(

Is there any difference between contacts and glasses when it comes to this? I'd like to get contacts instead of glasses but I'm worried they might be even worse than glasses for your eyes.
There's a very expensive process called "orthokeratology" where you buy specially-designed contact-lenses which reform your eyebal so that you can see perfectly at full vision. Trouble is, you have to insert them into your eyes every night and take them off every morning - should you forget to do this, after 2-3 days, your vision goes back to short- or long-sightedness, as applicable. Don't lose the lenses as they are so expensive. Bates Method practitioners state, though, that the Bates Method doesn't work with orthokeratology, as such. Have a look at the Bates Method yahoo group re all this.

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body and hair ->  I use a mix of raw aloe vera, oranges, lemons, and habanero peppers

teeth -> regular toothpaste (although I'm probably going to start using only strawberries when I go back to 100% raw paleo)

deodarant -> I use the crystal stick (I don't like using this because the of the ammonium alum and potassium alum it contains but I've tried lemon & calamansi but they don't really work for me.  I would continue to use natural alternatives but the office I work at doesn't like the body odor I have when not using the crystal.... :( )

I use a product called trust. It contains no aluminium, unlike most other deodorants, and you just put it on the hair under the arms, and it kills off the bacteria. Since the bacteria only reappear , smell-wise, after c.5 days, you only have to use it once every 5 days before going to bed. I don't know how strawberries would help re teeth

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Why can't Tyler do zero carb?
« on: September 15, 2008, 02:17:32 am »
The usual "Palaeo" definition, raw or otherwise, is anywhere between 35% carbs to 0% carbs(though some claim that Instinctos are Palaeos, and they eat often as much as 90%  raw plants). It's more important about what rawpalaeo is not(ie no dairy, no grains etc., no cooked-foods etc.)

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One of the most unusual things I noticed after going rawpalaeo was that I ceased to dream(at least knowingly). I still am able to daydream, but not dream during sleep - that is, unlike pre-rawpalaeo times, I don't wake up with the faint edges of a dying dream in my mind - I probably still, unknowingly, dream in
very deep sleep.

There's a rationale behind this, apparently:-

http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Understanding_Depression/dreaming.html


I didn't have depression as such, but was under a great deal of stress pre-rawpalaeo due to bad diets, so maybe dreaming is a sign of too much stress?

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General Discussion / Re: Raw tongue WTF!
« on: September 14, 2008, 05:24:28 pm »
Tallow is rendered(heated) suet so shouldn't be eaten. Get raw suet, instead.

Newbies generally don't like eating the tip of the tongue and the darker, purplier, stringier bits of the lower half of the tongue. Just cut out the pinker, slab-like parts into small enough chunks. Over time, you'll get used to and enjoy all parts of the tongue.

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Personals / Re: I want to meet a real, live RAF'er!
« on: September 14, 2008, 01:55:18 am »
I didn't get a satisfactory reply from the primal diet yahoo group. Apparently, the only way to find out about smaller primal diet-meetups is to go to a major meetup such as the ones Aajonus advertises (and which I always post in the above thread), and then you can meet anyone there who might come from Arizona or a nearby State. You should also contact Aajonus at the above e-mail-address to find out from him whether he knows anyone from Arizona or nearby - he should know at least a few(I vaguely remember a newspaper-article, one, from an Arizona newspaper about Primal dieters).

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This is an ongoing, unfinished thread detailing the toxins in cooked-foods and loss of nutrients caused by cooking and freezing(please don't post here):-

Info on damage caused by freezing:-

http://ndnr.com/oncology/advanced-glycation-end-products-death-by-cooked-food/

http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/selection-and-storage-of-foods-part-i/does-freezing-harm-foods.html

Cooking can create traces of trans-fats:-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2483-2003Aug29&notFound=true


Cooking causes an increase in aging/sensescence by creating advanced glycation end products(AGEs):-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11237208?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f1000m,isrctn
Info on the Hygiene Hypothesis Theory which goes into detail on the benefits of bacteria and parasites:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

Here's a reference which show that cooking reduces protein digestibility of meats:-

"From Oste [1991], heating (above 100°C, or 212°F) decreases meat protein digestibility. Frying chickpeas, oven-heating winged beans, or roasting cereals at 200-280°C (392-536°F) reduces protein digestibility.

Seidler [1987] studied the effects of heating on the digestibility of the protein in hake, a type of fish. Fish meat heated for 10 minutes at 130°C (266°F), showed a 1.5% decrease in protein digestibility. Similar heating of hake meat in the presence of potato starch, soy oil, and salt caused a 6% decrease in amino acid content."

taken from:-

http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-2a.shtml


The 2 studies referenced above are shown here:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1897402


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3748129?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Here's an article pointing out how cooking speeds up the oxidation of foods, possibly leading to heart-disease etc.:-

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_v127/ai_3762054

Here's a study which shows that human infants digest raw human milk better than heated human milk:-

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=1714023

Info on enzymes:-
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/apr99-cover.html

http://www.realmilk.com/enzyme.html

Heterocyclic Amines in Cooked-Meats:-

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/heterocyclic-amines

Microwaving at high temperatures have been shown to heavily reduce the anti-infective factors in human milk:- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1557249

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_n17_v141/ai_12100730

Microwaving has also been shown to be the worst type of cooking for cooking vegetables, as it virtually eliminates the antioxidants present in  vegetables:-

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jafcau/2007/55/i24/abs/jf071680t.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17979232

Microwaving has also been shown to reduce vitamin B12 levels in foods to a much greater extent than any other form of cooking:-

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jafcau/1998/46/i01/abs/jf970670x

Nitrosamines, which are present in processed and smoked  meats, have  been noted as being carcinogenic, being linked to  stomach-cancer:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16550597

Here's a report on toxins in cooked-foods from the Heat-Generated Toxins project:-

http://www.slv.se/upload/heatox/documents/Heatox_Final%20_report.pdf

Here's a scientific report  describing the typical loss of nutrients as a result of cooking:-

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FPNS%2FPNS4_02%2FS0029665146000321a.pdf&code=44a8dfdde48fb6037fc0936b8a4b398c

Here's a scientific report showing the reduction in digestibility of meats after cooking:-

http://www.springerlink.com/content/rwm8p2pyb4kj3q5w/


Here's a table listing typical losses of vitamins and minerals from cooking:-

http://www.nutritiondata.com/topics/processing

A more minor online dictionary entry re the subject is found here:-

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O39-cookinglossofnutrients.html

There are also concerns regards advanced glycation end products
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_glycation_endproduct
, otherwise known as AGEs, toxins which are present in cooked-foods in sizeable amounts and which 
contribute to age- and diabetes-related diseases

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/1/232


Here's the most famous report so far on the typical AGE-content of several common foods:-

http://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2009/09/age-content-of-foods.html

 , in the form of  chronic inflammatory diseases such as atherosclerosis http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1634306 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9920507

asthma:-  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17208591

arthritis:-  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11822407

myocardial infarction:-  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18431051

macular degeneration:-  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16364296

nephropathy:-  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9044316

retinopathy:-    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9049475

neuropathy:- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18473845


Acrylamide,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide
 , a toxin found in baked/fried/grilled starchy foods, but not in boiled or raw foods, has been linked to endometrial, ovarian but not breast cancers in humans, and is a proven carcinogen in animals:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18006919

   

Also, toxic compounds called PAHs/polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, info shown on http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts69.html#bookmark02  and  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycyclic_aromatic_hydrocarbon (s) and
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18675309

 present in processed, smoked  and cooked foods as well as in  coal and tar deposits, are known to be carcinogenic:-

 http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scf/out154_en.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18314326

German research in 2003 showed significant benefits in reducing breast cancer risk when large amounts of raw vegetable matter are included in the diet. The authors attribute some of this effect to heat-labile

phytonutrients http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14690788


There have been various studies made concerning the negative effects of pasteurised milk:-

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/03/26/pasteurized-milk-part-one.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/03/29/pasteurized-milk-part-two.aspx

Here's an article on addictive substances created by cooking:-

http://www.13.waisays.com/ADHD.htm

Here is an article comparing cooked-food-consumption to smoking cigarettes:-

http://www.youngerthanyourage.com/13/cigarettes.htm

Here's an article showing how eating cooked food progressively ruined human dental health over the generations:-

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7035-human-dental-chaos-linked-to-evolution-of-cooking.html

Heat-created toxins cause heart-disease and speed up aging:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16222163

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18473756

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7598010

http://www.anti-agingfirewalls.com/2011/01/09/nitrates-and-nitrites-%E2%80%93-part-1-bad-for-you/

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Welcoming Committee / Re: solid foundation
« on: September 13, 2008, 06:55:46 pm »
Tyler, I guess I should have been a bit more specific when I said Hawai'i.  I'm on the island of O'ahu not the Big Island which is where Pangaia is located.  The paleo diet scene is alive there.  It is almost non-existent here on O'ahu.  This is because O'ahu is overcrowed and urban while the Big Island is very green and rural.  I have actually been in contact with Pangaia since February of this year.  I plan to reside at Pangaia for 1 month to see if I like it.  The place in the eatwild link you posted is on Molokai yet another island.  There are no stores here on the island of O'ahu that I know of yet... 

With that said, should I just eat the meat from a regular store?  (that's probably better than cooking it....?)  I could as get the meat delivered here but wouldn't that be very expensive compared to purchasing it here on island?  If you do get it delivered then I presume you just thaw it out and eat it?

You should get it delivered to your door. I can't imagine that it's hideously expensive to order grassfed meat from a farm via boat. Most such deliveries are frozen, it's only chilled if you specifically request it. Otherwise, depend on raw, wildcaught  seafood for lean protein(should be easy in Hawaii), and just order raw animal fats like raw suet/marrow/tongue/muscle-fat etc.

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General Discussion / Re: Morphological(?) Considerations
« on: September 13, 2008, 05:49:15 pm »
There's roughly a  c.3.5 to 1 ratio of men to women, here. I'm sure the proportion will change, over time, as the other RPD yahoo groups are mostly 1:1 as regards the male/female ratio.

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