Wooden house.

"Take us to your leader" or "Who are you and what have you done with name of person being spoken to?

Well, I'm an SF fan so it's "Take us to your leader"

(Minor change to above rules:- you can choose between 3 options, not just 2 if you want).

"Which are you most interested in:- Past or Present or Future?"

Superstition. I'm much more interested in mythology and similiar superstitions than the workings of religious theory etc.

(Buzz Aldrin was the 2nd guy who walked on the Moon, on the same spacecraft as Neil Armstrong).

TV or Internet.

Imagine a god-forsaken area in northwest Donegal on the coast of the Atlantic, off the Republic of Ireland. Imagine further, that the photographs were not taken during reasonably sunny weather(which is very rare over there), but during fog, and you'll get an idea of  just how beautiful this place is:-





An island in a lake in South America(Peru/Bolivia area):-

The Steppes in Mongolia 

Ah! but have you actually been there to photograph it? If not, I'm afraid it doesn't count. We need a personal touch, here!

Where is that?

Festina Lente(Latin quotation for "Hurry Slowly"!)

 I've smoked weed twice(the usual cigarette being passed around, so , in neither case, did I get a "high").

The person below me is afraid of heights.

Re climate:- Considering that raw animal foods(and cooked-foods)  have been eaten all round the world, it's somewhat extreme to suggest that climate plays any important role re cooking. As regard as the issue of storage, you're forgetting that during the Palaeolithic, there were vast herds of wild game for almost all of that era, so there was no real need for storage. It was only in the  more settled Neolithic that storage became a big issue(eg:-  granaries etc.)


Re Beyondveg.com:- Their anti-raw critique is heavily  biased(anti- Raw Vegan/Fruitarian), so don't seem to acknowledge even that RAF diets even exist. I've recently completed a critique of Beyondveg.com's own raw vs cooked essay, pointing out the flaws, where they got it right etc. The critique should go on rawpaleo.com over the next few weeks.


Re assumptions about dairy:- I'm afraid you are the one making a false assumption. I can easily point to the very obvious fact that 75% of the world's population are lactose-intolerant, to some extent,  to show that Mankind is NOT adapted to dairy:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance
. Another point that anthropologists routinely make is that there has been no significant genetic changes in the last 10,000 years - something one would expect if new DNA/mutations had arisen so that humans could drink milk easily without problems.

Re True Believers/Parasites:- Using terms like "true believer" displays a remarkable lack of knowledge of the motivations of RAFers. First of all, most RAFers turn to raw animal foods not out of ideology, but simply because all other methods have failed utterly - I'm no exception. This should be  obvious as modern society is so disgusted at the notion of raw animal foods, that it's always seen as a last resort. As regards the parasites-issue, I am merely relating the facts - it's simply not a major(or even minor) issue of RAFers, as otherwise one would find many more posts reporting such issues. Most RAFers eat raw meats from organic animals which have been routinely dewormed, and many(like myself) have eaten plenty of meats/organ-meats from wild animals, for years,  without incurring any parasitical problems whatsoever, so the hype/hysteria re parasites is simply a non-issue. I should add, though, that there are a very small number of  hypochondriacs who subscribe to the Hulda Clarke school of thought(akin to delusional parasitosis) where they believe that parasites are all around them and must be destroyed - but the community, as a whole, doesn't take this sort of thing seriously.

As it is, given that the RAF-community is growing, despite mass public hysteria over the very idea of eating raw animal foods, that should indicate that the benefits of RAF are numerous.

Re Hinduism/Vegetarianism:- You're clutching at straws, here, I'm afraid. RAFers tend to come from all sorts of different backgrounds, and, as I pointed out, the majority turn to RAF purely for health reasons. I mean one can argue that many people turn to Veganism due to a concern re animal-rights or spirituality, but RAFers, in most cases(myself included), just try every other possible diet or health-remedy out there, until they arrive at RAF foods as a last resort - we simply wouldn't remain on this diet for years unless it worked. Generally speaking, if people clear up all their health-problems through some alternative diet or health-remedy prior to  finding out about RAF diets, then they don't go the whole hog and turn to RAF foods at all. This is what is so remarkable about this diet - that the RAF community keeps on growing despite the vast amounts of hysteria concerning bacteria/parasites etc. in raw meats - I mean if even a small fraction of the whole hysteria was based on reality, then one would expect this diet to decrease in numbers of advocates, rather than the opposite.

In a way, though, I suppose that can create a wrong impression as most RAFers, unlike with other diets,  come to this diet with all sorts of  major health-problems such as cancer/heart-disease sustained from decades of eating processed/cooked  foods, which can take years to clear up(for example, it took c.4 months(post-raw-dairy) for c.50% of my own health-problems to be solved on this diet, with the other 50% taking a further couple of  years to be resolved) - so, I don't think one could realistically expect 100% miracle-recoveries within weeks of turning to RAF foods, if the person in question has previously sustained Multiple Sclerosis or whatever. As regards the minor side-effects you claim, that's inevitable on any  healthy diet. For one thing, people build up so many toxins from years on unhealthy diets, that they are bound to need to undergo occasional detox to get rid of the relevant poisons. And, of course, some people do stupid things such as drinking foods they are allergic to(I spent the first 2nd to 8th month drinking raw dairy, before realising that I was allergic to it), or they are unable/unwilling to find high-quality raw animal foods for a time etc.. But, the point is that, other than such  mistakes, people tend to do very well on this sort of diet.

True(I did German). I wish it had been the Sciences.

The person below me likes H P Lovecraft's writings.

Anyone can argue that humans are carnivores or herbivores. Strictly speaking, though, the weight of the evidence is that humans are omnivores with strong carnivorous tendencies. Here's an alternative argument claiming a carnivorous diet as being natural for humans, just for sake of argument:-

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison.html


Re climate/diet:- This is irrelevant. First of all, most sources agree that cooking was only invented c.250,000 to 300,000 years ago - fire for warmth may have been invented 200,000 years earlier but that's all. One thing I should mention is that RAFers routinely mention that they become much better at adapting to hot and cold temperatures due to better blood-circulation etc. So cooking wasn't likely essential except possibly in blizzard conditions. Another point is that we live in a world with central heating/air-conditioning/clothes etc., so we can't conceive of a time when our ancestors went without such extras(yet they did, with ease!).

Re dairy:- (Non-human) Dairy, raw or otherwise, was only introduced to humans c.9,000 years ago(and then only to a small portion of humanity in the Near-East). Very large populations, nowadays, such as in East Asia, have only consumed dairy within the last 3 generations. In short,  9,000 years (or less) is nowhere near enough to get used to milk from other animals - plus, milk from other animals is a specially-designed ideal food(milk from cows is designed, via growth-hormones,  to make calves grow to full adult cattle-size within 2 years - humans, however, don't have to grow to adult-size within 2 years!).

Re taste:- Our tastes are defined by what our mothers eat in the womb and our first few years of life. While one can overcome this  by eating raw for long enough, it does take time.

Re parasites:- This has been extensively discussed on the rawpaleodiet yahoo group. It's been pointed out that some parasites are actually beneficial(ie symbionts). There was a study by Joel Weinstock, for example, which showed that ingesting certain worms reduced the symptoms of IBS(Irritable Bowel Syndrome). Indeed, the absence of parasites and bacteria has led to a major increase in auto-immune disorders and allergies etc. - just look up the numerous online references to the "Hygiene Hypothesis" theory.

Re negative reactions:- Actually, negative reactions to raw animal food diets are pretty rare. When they do occur, it's overwhelmingly because of non-Palaeo foods or practices(such as eating too much(you actually need to eat less daily raw food than cooked as raw is absorbed better), raw dairy, veggie-juice, too much raw honey, not eating enough raw animal fat. I come across very, very few cases of genuine parasitical infestation(other than a tiny minority of hypochondriacs who see parasites in every raw food they eat!). The couple or so of cases I've heard of which are genuine, tend to include people who've visited the tropics, had a few days(2 weeks at most) of minor itching, followed by expulsion of the parasites via the other end. I would agree though that parasites for those on cooked-food diets would be more of a problem, due to the body being less able to cope.

As regards turning to raw animal foods(or away from them, rather):- it should be pointed out that all cooked-foods(as well as dairy and grains) contain opioid hormones which are highly addictive(processed foods are even worse as they contain casein and gluten as (addictive) preservatives) . So, there's no reason to assume that people turned to cooked-foods out of survival. Plus, it's well-known that humans suffered a catastrophic collapse in health in the Neolithic when they turned to Neolithic foods like raw dairy, fermented grains and cooked legumes, yet they chose to eat those foods, anyway. In short, humans are stupid and easily led.

Re spirituality etc.:- There's some truth in the placebo effect or spiritual strength or whatever. But, it doesn't explain the remarkable success of RAFers, in general.


Re colloidal silver etc.:-  Unsurprisingly, since raw animal food is viewed with utter horror by people in most developed nations, most RAFers tend to try every possible diet or health-recovery-method before they even contemplate turning to raw animal foods. Colloidal silver has been mentioned before by other RAFers, among many other methods. But, overall, most RAFers point out that those other methods either don't work or are much less effective than raw animal foods.


Plus, given the loathing of raw animal foods by the general population, one would never expect people to turn to Aajonus in growing numbers - yet they do.

Although I don't follow his diet anymore (cutting out dairy) I still believe AV is the man. He gots balls for balls and doesn't care what all the asshole idiots out there think.

I admire him in my own way. It's just that he's such an obvious con-man(all those endless changes of aliases/names(eg:- Swigart/Planitz/Vonderplanitz etc.), for example!). And when he's asked for evidence/proof, rather than giving e-mail-addresses of people who've been success-stories, which would be the sensible thing, he claims such nonsense as that a laboratory with the relevant evidence refuses to give him the results unless he pays a million dollars etc. etc. And then there's his obviously fake story about how he met some wild coyotes who introduced him to the raw animal food diet.

Well, I finally got round to reading the whole of the article. I must say that the author of the piece came across as a complete idiot, needlessly frightened etc. Still, admittedly, I used to have much the same sort of foolish attitude vis-a-vis raw meats, pre-rawpalaeo diet.