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Raw Weston Price / Re: Only 2 of 12 Tribes Consumed ANY Dairy
« on: September 12, 2010, 05:41:37 am »
Quote from: PaleoPhil on September 12, 2010, 02:11:02 am

I envy you if you're doing well with dairy. Have you ever tried dairy elimination?


Yup, I was switching between different diets for a while.  For a good couple of months I was doing lots of dairy and fermented grains.  This was ok at first but after a couple months I definitely had issues, which i attributed mostly to the dairy at the time.  After trying to tweak random things(more animal foods, more meat, less carbs)  I've come back to the dairy and do not suffer from the problems I had before.  But like I said I'm definitely on the lookout for any future problems as I had some issues before.

Like the other poster I was raised on copious amounts of pasteurized milk and was relatively healthy till I changed my diet to mcdonalds and coca cola. 

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Only 2 of 12 Tribes Consumed ANY Dairy
« on: September 11, 2010, 08:50:42 pm »
Quote from: PaleoPhil on September 11, 2010, 11:28:06 am
it's interesting that you, Tyler and me all have issues with most or all forms of dairy, even the ones that dairy-eating Paleo and Primal dieters advocate.

What are your guys ancestory?? 

Both my parents happen to have direct ancestory from the denmark area and for the most part the bloodline is still very pure.  I can handle tons of raw milk, butter cheese etc.  I actually handle this stuff better then meat currently, my diet is probably 70% dairy.  I've been experimenting with this for a couple months now and so far I feel great, chronic acne is gone(as long as I don't cheat with starches), my digestion is freakin amazing and I am probably the most active I've ever been.

I definetly am on the lookout for problems arising as I've heard so many anecdotal cases of people failing on raw dairy but so far I'm loving it.  And while I don't have any blood tests or solid evidence to say its not harming I don't see myself changing the dairy intake anytime soon because I feel great and thats all that matters to me.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Only 2 of 12 Tribes Consumed ANY Dairy
« on: September 10, 2010, 09:32:25 am »
The so-called studies also implicate meat most the time as they blame the problem on excess protien.

According to one study the reason is because the calcium in dairy is only 30% absorb-able.

Either way these studies are done on SAD food eaters and they are just correlations.  Correlations don't equal causation's.


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Raw Weston Price / Re: Only 2 of 12 Tribes Consumed ANY Dairy
« on: September 09, 2010, 10:36:50 pm »
Quote from: majormark on September 09, 2010, 08:20:43 pm
How did you came to this conclusion?

Do you have an estimate on how many people you've seen (on internet or in person) reporting brittle bones while drinking raw milk?



Seriously, I see you with this dairy propaganda all the time tyler.  I understand it didn't work for you and may have caused health declines but guess what it actually does work for some people.  The propaganda you spew is akin to the vegans, come on dude.

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General Discussion / Re: Water effect on Skin.
« on: September 06, 2010, 09:42:45 pm »
I've been surfing a lot latley, somtimes 4 hours per day.  My skin never gets wrinkly.  I think it has too do with water temps maybe?  Usually start to get wrinkly when I'm in hot water for prolonged periods(i.e jacuzzi)

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General Discussion / Re: Beef and fish raise insulin?
« on: September 06, 2010, 08:26:15 pm »
Its true but what they neglect too tell you is that yes it raises your insulin but unlike carbs it also releases glucagon which is an antagonist to insulin

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Health / Re: Depression ? Can I use this diet to get off my meds?
« on: September 06, 2010, 11:31:01 am »
You could try natural substances like herbs to replace your medicine.

All pharmaceuticals are extracted from natural sources or they make them in a laboratory based off the chemical in the plant.

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General Discussion / Re: Nut Butter
« on: September 06, 2010, 11:28:07 am »
the funny thing about nuts is they are only addictive if you buy them shelled

if you buy unshelled nuts the amount of food you get isn't really worth the hassle so it turns into a once in awhile thing

The best nut is macadamia, for its low antinutrient levels and good omega ratio, which are from Australia and were eaten by the aborigines.  Shelled macadamias are guranteed oxidized.

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Off Topic / How to turn your computer screen into a virtual fire
« on: September 06, 2010, 11:24:33 am »
Okay guys I just tapped into a crazy idea

If you go to your monitors setting and lower the blue and green light(maybe just blue) to 0 than you won't get the stay up effect of computers but still be able to see in red.

Anecdotal evidence, as well as Kayumov’s experiment, support the belief that
blocking melatonin-suppressing light is the equivalent of going into
darkness as far as the pineal gland that produces melatonin is
concerned. Putting on blue-blocking glasses several hours before bed
time for a number of days in succession appears to advance the
circadian clock, making sleep come quickly at bedtime. Because the
melatonin flow is of limited duration (not more than 12 hours) it
suggests that advancing the circadian cycle so that melatonin flow
stops before wakeup time, will accomplish the same result as morning
light treatment. Wu8 et al
describe photochemical actions that may occur when blue light impinges
on the retina that may result in macular degeneration. [See also "Artificial Lighting and the Blue Light Hazard"
on this site.] For this reason it seems logical to try using blue
blocking glasses in the evening to advance the circadian cycle, rather
than blue light in the morning.
-http://www.mdsupport.org/library/sad.html

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Personals / Re: Southern California
« on: September 02, 2010, 04:35:21 am »
Quote from: B.Money on June 29, 2010, 06:18:57 am

I should look into organic pastures I know I have heard of their milk cows being fed grain at times, but not sure if that is just rumor or not--only thing is I expect them to be pricey, but something I'll look into!



They feed grains but its grass/hay for the most part.  The milk/butter is still legit imo.

Here's some info about it from claravale farm another dairy provider in socal-
Contrary to popular belief, total, year round pasture feeding is not natural for cattle and is not the way in which dairy cattle have historically been managed. More typical is for dairy cattle to get access to some pasture during the natural growing season (winter and spring here) and to be fed mostly hay, grain and other produce during the rest of the year. This is what we do at Claravale. In this way, farmers have historically taken advantage of natural yearly cycles of rainfall and production. Year round pasture feeding of dairy cows requires the artificial creation of year round pastures by intensive irrigation, which requires energy and water, both limited resources in California.

Linder bison has some awesome beef, prices are a tad high(8-10/lb) but def worth it.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: September 02, 2010, 04:31:21 am »
Quote from: MaximilianKohler on September 02, 2010, 03:12:40 am

Oh, I see you said before "Pure glucose(starches) sources are the most optimal but these require cooking." Sweet potato is pure glucose? Why do they require cooking?

Sweet potato is not pure glucose but its primarily glucose. Most raw starchy foods are only around 50-60% digestible, when you cook them they become around 95% digestible.

Some raw vegan people eat them raw dehydrated but I'm not really into that.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: September 01, 2010, 09:34:14 pm »
Quote from: MaximilianKohler on September 01, 2010, 04:28:34 am
clif do you have to cook the sweet potatoes? also, do you eat them before or after the workout? and how long before or after? thanks

I would cook them and eat them only after a workout.  I just gave them up yesterday tho because they started to constipate me, its weird at first it was all good then about 2 weeks in major constipation lol.  Clearly not adapted that well to starchy tubers.

I'm gonna be experimenting with plantains and green bananas soon so Ill keep you posted.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: August 28, 2010, 03:04:56 am »
Quote from: djr_81 on August 28, 2010, 01:49:15 am
I personally feel the human body is dynamic enough to adjust to whatever fuel source we provide it and build functional strength so long as simple things are met (a surplus of energy in, adequate protein to build, and enough sleep).

I would like to believe this is true but most people don't experience this.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: August 28, 2010, 03:03:51 am »
Quote from: MaximilianKohler on August 28, 2010, 01:46:27 am
I would be lifting mostly for strength and athleticism, not to put on large amounts of mass. What do you think would be appropriate for me to eat before & after? I don't want to eat any fruit(avocados not included) as I've heard too many bad things about it.

For athletism and strength your gonna need some sort of carbs to be optimal imo.  Don't be scared of fruit nothing wrong with eating it post work out or early morning.  Pure glucose(starches) sources are the most optimal but these require cooking.

You might get by on vlc doing athletic endeavors but it depends on what you do, how hardcore you go and how much do it.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: August 28, 2010, 01:42:13 am »
Quote from: djr_81 on August 28, 2010, 01:37:48 am
No you don't.
Someone eating low or close to zero carb can lift just like someone eating omnivorous.
You might not bulk at the same rate but that wasn't the question.

I should have phrased it as if your gonna lift weights and recover right you need a carb source.  Sure you can lift on rzc(it doesn't make you a cripple does it?) but I don't think its optimal nor do most others who lift weights.  Muscles need glycogen and depriving them of it will hinder gains.  That's not to say that you could eat higher fat and adapt to using more fat for fuel but I still think your gonna need carbs eventually(i.e. anabolic diet)

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: August 28, 2010, 01:39:09 am »
Quote from: MaximilianKohler on August 28, 2010, 01:10:56 am
what about green leafy vegetable juice, maybe with eggs too? or an avocado+egg shake?

Green leafy vegetables have very little carbs, same with eggs.  Stick to fruit for Post workout carbs if you want to stay raw

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General Discussion / Re: Coconut Pulp
« on: August 27, 2010, 09:42:42 pm »
yes you are.  The amounts you get are very small tho

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: August 27, 2010, 07:50:35 pm »
If your gonna lift weights your gonna need some sort of carb source.  Some might not agree but I personally don't think fruit is a very good carb source for post workout, your muscles can use very little if any fructose to replenish glycogen.  I personally eat a meal of cooked sweet potatoes post workout, I don't personally follow the whole all cooking is evil philosophy.  Really it could go both ways, I cook the sweet potato but I don't get the massive fructose overload. Pick your poison I guess? :)

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Off Topic / Re: What does daniel vitalis eat???
« on: August 27, 2010, 07:44:00 pm »
I've watched most his videos and heard a lot of interviews with him, from what I gather his staples are Raw dairy, meat, medicinal mushrooms, various fermented foods, wild foods etc.

On another forum his friend frankie G was telling me he focuses on eating from the 4 kingdoms, plant, animal, bacteria and fungus.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: August 27, 2010, 01:48:35 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on August 26, 2010, 10:51:43 pm
The trouble is that muscle-rebuilding is a bit more complex than as portrayed above. Besides, one only has to look at RZC athletes to see that they just don't compare to standard(non-drug-using) weightlifters and athletes who eat carbs.

I agree 100%, just saying that what mercola says is true.

Ketogenic diets generally don't work that great for body building unless your trying to cut.  The anabolic diet supposedly works very well tho, its 5 days of VLC/ZC and 2 days of high carbs to carboload.

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Wai Dieters / Re: Fructose
« on: August 26, 2010, 09:09:04 pm »
Quote from: TylerDurden on August 26, 2010, 04:33:44 pm
Sounds like a load of rubbish. One thing I noticed was that I did better re muscle-gain when weightlifting and eating a few raw carbs at the same time. During my RZC phase, I would end up as weak as a kitten, though.

Its true actually, HGH is elevated after a workout and insulin is an antagonist to hgh so more insulin means less hgh.  Some people recommend waiting 30 mins after a workout to eat carbs to get some GH production going, waiting longer then 30 mins is detrimental to muscle growth tho.

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Primal Diet / Re: Preferred Cheese
« on: August 19, 2010, 10:47:17 pm »
Raw goat feta for sure

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Randy Roach, Muscle Smoke and Mirrors
« on: August 16, 2010, 09:02:46 pm »
Quote from: dsohei on August 15, 2010, 04:28:19 pm
starch rather than fructose seems to be the key.


Yes!  The goal of the carb re-feed I assume is to stock the muscles with glycogen, very little fructose makes it to the muscles(20% at the most).  So if your eating fruits for your carb re-feeed your gonna be getting a lot of fructose that will just over burden your liver, something like sweet potatoe/yams is a much better option imo.

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Hot Topics / Re: fruit vs cooked root vegetables
« on: August 11, 2010, 09:47:57 pm »
Stick to sweet potatoes imo, slightly more nutrient dense then bananas and pretty tasty.

The problem with fruit is its fructose content, if your eating 40% of calories from carbs that's a significant amount of fructose.  Very little fructose can be stored as muscle glycogen and generally most is stored in the liver, the liver can only hold so much so over burdening it with fructose isn't the healthiest practice.  Not to mention fructoses susceptibility to AGEs.  Cooked starches on the other hand are primarily glucose, which the body can use for all glycogen needs.

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General Discussion / Re: HED - High Everything Diet using Raw Paleo Food? High Metabolism A Good Thing?
« on: August 07, 2010, 09:44:27 pm »
Quote from: kurite on August 07, 2010, 07:04:44 pm
In your quoted paragraph it says that a good time to eat fruit is after a workout, however in recent studies this has been totally untrue and actually has a negative affect.

"However, there are 2 reasons that fruit might not be the ideal food to eat immediately after a workout. First, a recent study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that eating a low-carbohydrate meal after aerobic exercise enhances your insulin sensitivity. This is highly beneficial, since impaired insulin sensitivity, or insulin resistance, is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes and a significant risk factor for other chronic diseases, such as heart disease (1).  Second, consuming any sugar–including fructose–after exercising has been shown to dramatically decrease the fat-burning effect of human growth hormone that is associated with intense physical activity."


You realize this is in regards to people trying to lose weight??  Depending on the workout you will have produced cortisol, insulin is antagonistic to cortisol(i.e. insulin go;s up cortisol go's down).  You also realize protien raises insulin as well and will cause the same problems?

You want your insulin to go up after exercise to get fuel to your muscles, go anabolic and decrease cortisol, go tell elite athletes not to refuel with carbs after a workout and they'll laugh in your face.

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