http://www.180degreehealth.com/

overfeed anyone?  Let the flaming begin lol

They base there reasoning on not eating eggs on the fact it contains a decent amount of cholesterol, yet they ignore every other nutrient...

Chris masterjohn just posted a really good blog post about the connection between choline deficiency and fatty liver disease.  Seems these dietary recommendations are really hurting us as we are told not to eat the foods richest in choline(egg yolks and organs) and people actually listen to that garbage.

tyler most these anti-meat studies are observational studies and are probably largely false or very skewed for the most part.  Not saying Heat created toxins may not be a part in the puzzle but we don't really have a lot of conclusive evidence for that.  Chris masterjohn actually just put out another blog posting recently that debunks a lot of the AGEs stuff.  Excess consumption of fructose, PUFAs and deficient diets are a whole different story.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/cholesterol-blog.html for the blog posts

I saw some more posts on raw milk under the introductory form and instead of cluttering up his thread I decided to post here.


In california there are two main raw milk suppliers, organic pastures, and claravale dairy. I have spoken to the owners in person and in e-mail and they mention feeding their cows something like 5lbs of corn a day. They made it sounds like 100% grass fed milk does not really exist in any quantity for sale, and if it did the taste would be terrible. He goes on to mention certain times of the year when the cows eat more pasture than normal, people complain about the taste of the milk every year.

Not sure if anyone realizes this/cares/or if this is just a farm-by-farm issue, but I found it interesting, being that 100% grass fed meats are highly regarded here.

Claravale has a pretty legit reason as to why they do this imo, cows in nature eat grass and when they would be naturally lactating grass would be full of grain seeds.  Now I'm not too sure on the validity of that but I have had 100% grass fed milk/butter/cheese and OP's stuff, I personally prefer the OP stuff.

Plus, most tubers have to be cooked in order to becole edible and were anyway only a tiny part of a cooked-palaeolithic diet. Plus tubers are commonly full of antinutrients(such  as cassava).

Cassava and potatoes are the only tubers that contain harmful amounts of antinutrients.  Yams and sweet potatoes are as close to anti nutrient free as you can get in the plant world.

I agree cooked tubers do not fit into the raw paleo paradigm but that doesn't make them not paleo as we have plenty of evidence that paleo has eaten tubers for a very long time.  Apes eat raw tubers so I don't see any reason why we wouldn't, we have the adaptation for starch digestion as well(which apes do not have)

Tubers are a paleo food.

Chocolate could be considered paleo as well, its a fruit seed.

1.) the cultures likely also use tobacco products and or alcohol products as well as teas and other things. does not mean these things have no toxic compounds or that they arent addictive or damaging, particularly when they are removed from their medicinal or ritualistic purposes.

Having toxic compounds doesn't necessarily mean something is bad, most shaman highly revere tobacco and believe it is the most important tool they posses.  The tobacco indigenous shaman smoke is much more potent in the harmaline chemicals unlike commercial tobacco.

Likewise with alcohol, these are very important beverages to indigenous people.  They are not the same thing as Budweiser or Jack Daniels in anyway.  Daniel vitalis says when governments go in and interfere with indigenous cultures the first thing they get rid of is there "brew", health decline follows.

2.) which is how many people are participating in some kind of ritual or spiritual vision quest and how many have a bowl on their coffee table just ready for cartoon network?

This is a very good point.  It doesn't counter the many beneficial uses these substances may have tho. 

i think the problem with marijuana is that the GMO product is gettin known as weed

There is no such thing as gmo weed....

The wild weed in india is supposedly the most potent stuff around, yogis travel into remote locations to secret spots where they harvest charras(hash) which apparently are borderline psychedelic.

I think its odd that paleo geared eaters are somewhat against drug use when pretty much every single indigenous tribe practices some form of drug ingestion.

The indigenous people of peru say they have received all there knowledge of medicinal plants from ayahusca, medicinal plants that have now been proven by science.

Consuming weed can make you a mental patient for life. Even taking it once. And it can happen every time after having been taking it for a long time. It happened to a guy I used to hang with. He had to go to hospital, didn't recognize anyone anymore. He recovered fully, I don't know if he is normal again. Some never recover.

What a bunch of bullshit.  The only time I've seen drugs alter someone personally was when I had a friend who took an ounce of mushrooms, it turned him schizophrenic overnight.  He abused the crap out of mushrooms tho and he didn't get damaged till he took 8 times the normal dose.  This was someone who clearly had underlying mental problems as well.  I live in California where weed is essentially legal and I have yet to ever meet someone who became a mental patient due to weed abuse and I've met thousands of stoners lol.


Weed is an ok substance imo, definitely better then other stuff such as alcohol and it can probably be used like other hallucinogens to overcome personal/psychological problems.  I actually quit the stuff recently, not indefinitely but I def need a long break.  When you rely on weed too much it becomes a crutch when you have nothing fun to do and after awhile it seems like there is never anything fun to do besides smoke. 


The reason you have to heat weed to get any effects from it is because the THc has to be decarboxylated to become activated.  This is achieved through heat exposure.


FYi to all "weed has toxins" crew, it doesn't.  Combusted weed has heat created toxins just like every other combusted plant matter, raw marijuana doesn't contain toxins.

that first video is awesome.

i wonder how bat taste?

   i guess that next they'll be saying that eating cooked grains is typical, so therefore we all should be forgetting about
   living raw paleo.

   illness was historically managed by bleeding, sorcery, human sacrifices, etc, etc, etc.  I am not interested in repeating
   historical errors!

Do you have anything to contradict what they say?? It makes perfect sense, lactation is seasonal in nature and cows eat grass which produces grain seeds.  During the lactation season grass would be full of seeds. 

Hi Cliff, I thought of trying the yolk or whites on their own, apparently it is important to have both together, they complement each other, something to do with the biotin content.

The whites have any anti nutrient which can prevent biotin from being absorbed, the yolk has lots of biotin hence the synergy.  You can eat raw yolks without any problem tho, just don't eat only whites.

Besides,Northern Europe was one of the last bastions of hunter-gatherer activity until grains and the Neolithic civilisation was transmitted from the Middle-East into Europe. So, I would assume that they got started on raw dairy at a much later date than those in Southern Europe.

The hunter-gatherers who inhabited the southern coast of Scandinavia 4,000 years ago were lactose intolerant. This has been shown by a new study carried out by researchers at Uppsala University and Stockholm University. The study, which has been published in the journal BMC Evolutionary Biology, supports the researchers' earlier conclusion that today's Scandinavians are not descended from the Stone Age people in question but from a group that arrived later.

From the sounds of it some sort of nomadic dairy tribe replaced the HG's in northern europe, the people who replaced the HG's are the ancestors of modern day northern europeans.