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As far as eye color goes, I remember reading that blue eyes were only 6000 years old, and wikipedia says 6-10 thousand.

I'm skeptical that colorblindness would make any difference in the amount of meat you ate, but it could be advantageous for the group to have some coloblind individuals.  But hey, I'm no scientist.

I'm partially colorblind, I grew up hunting in an area with gray-tan-red grass, and I never had any problems seeing animals.  I don't have much to compare it to, since most people I knew hunted less, and experience is probably the most important thing when trying to find and distinguish animals that aren't out in the open, moving, or silhouetted in some way.

General Discussion / Re: teeth and hunting
« on: August 03, 2009, 03:09:15 am »
Thanks for the info on teeth!  I always thought teeth didn't do much to explain how we evolved, but that helped.

I noticed people asking about weapons, hunting, and such.  These are just my thoughts on the subject.  First, I've noticed if a place gets little enough human contact, some animals won't really recognize us as predators.  Also, you don't need bows, atl-atls, or traps to hunt.  With a little sneakiness, you can get within spear range of even some large game (did this 3 nights ago to some sleeping deer, I live in the boonies), or they can be ran down.

Also, most people assume group hunting.  Has anyone done any research on this?  My best hunting has always been alone or with one other person, and large groups always seem as worthless as their clumsiest, stupidest member.  I also think I'd rather share my kill with mate/children first, not a group. 

I've never really thought of us as scavengers, because that means the best parts of the animal are gone, but it would make the job easier, and in the absence of wolves or lions, I can see this being a good survival strategy.  Plus, there's a lot less work to do.

Off Topic / Re: Who hunts their food?
« on: August 03, 2009, 02:08:45 am »
I've hunted pretty much everything deer-sized and smaller, and I can teach people the basics of how to shoot a rifle (accurately).

I'm trying to learn more about bows, but the only advantage I see would be for poaching  O0

For anyone wanting to research rifles, I'd stick with .308 or 30-06 for relatively cheap practice (surplus) ammo.  Stuff's ridiculously expensive these days.

Off Topic / Re: "Reject basic assumptions..."
« on: August 03, 2009, 01:56:10 am »
Growth. It's the modern religion. As if the economy, city populations, individual corporate profits can grow forever. And all that really happens is there is an illusion of growth for a few years, called a bubble, that inevitably bursts and brings everything right back to where it is. This is a personal pet peeve of mine, I believe in the laws of thermodynamics, and thus in the closed system of Earth there is only so much resources. If you use this plot of land for production of X, then you cannot also use it for production of Y, whether Y is the animals and plants that used to live on that land or another synthetic product.
That is not at all what a bubble is, nor are the boom and bust cycles necessarily part of a free market.  Look into Austrian economics.
Earth is not a closed system, or there would be no life here.  Sunlight is the best example I can think of.

Religion is a basic assumption of just about every civilization. That there's a purpose to anything. The belief in that is obvious in it's importance to existence, if humans didn't have that belief they would have less survival motivation. Not saying it's wrong, just saying it can be explained as an adaptation.
I think this is because at some point in the past a few people saw that they could live as parasites (and gain social standing) if they guilt people into believing in a magical world to which only the priest can give you access.  And if they can abuse children to the point where they are emotional and intellectual cripples, those children will keep them fed and sheltered the rest of their life.

Health / Re: Parasites
« on: April 10, 2009, 01:50:20 am »
How long would you have to fast to be effective at removing parasites?  It's either that or I coat my food in garlic and pepper.  So far raw garlic alone hasn't done anything.

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Peking Man Older, Colder
« on: March 19, 2009, 01:45:42 pm »
I guess I was thinking of how many the world could have supported.  You know, wondering if agriculture was really necessary for civilization, crazy stuff like that.

But now you have me doing math...

Off Topic / Re: I'm concerned about you guys in the USA...
« on: March 18, 2009, 08:24:31 pm »
Actually about 10% of my money was in an IRA, just in case this didn't happen.  Now I only wish I would have put more money in PMs, and sooner.

To me, collapse and/or oppression seem to be on the way.  At least those are the signs I've been reading for 4 or 5 years, and so far everything is going as I thought it would (I was just afraid to say anything, I got looks  ???)

I could care less, except that I am certain that the government will get more oppressive.  I'd be happy as long as we can just avoid a Hitler/Stalin/Lincoln.  We already have a Roosevelt (minus the internment camps).

I don't necessarily like anyone species, I just like individuals.  As much as I hate doing it, we have had problems with stray dogs and cats, and there is usually only one way to fix it.  If they are truly feral cats, then shooting them is about the only option.

I doubt this calls for a new topic

    Well, just the fact that there are cows, I think shows that man has been husbanding animals too long.  I don't think cows are natural.  The spilled piles are likely harvested and spilled by man.  I think it would be better if no man did that.  The animals would eat other ways, and we could take care of ourselves the way they do (more or less).  For example- where I'm visiting, they give the parrots artificially colored food pellets in their cages.  Pink, red, orange, yellow, green, etc ... the parrots I think must want or need flowers, fruit, vegetables and blood, colorful things, otherwise why do people artificially color parrot food?  We intervene too much with other living beings' lives.  OK, I know I have to kill one way or another, as I do need to eat meat to be healthy, but for the rest of the animals' lives I want to live and let live, not manipulate.


I agree completely, except that I would only count the most modern types of cattle, which are about the equivalent of very lean pigs, or modern poultry that only survives with medication or artificial breeding.  But put those pigs and cattle in the wild, and any that survive will be barely distinguishable from their wilder relatives.

        Where I used to live there were domestic (cows etc) animals, and non domesticated animals too.  Sure animals eat whatever they can, but have you tried giving white bread to cows?  Have you tried giving fresh fruit off the trees that grow by them to those same cows?  Have you tried giving them white rice?  Did they eat it?  Lets start another thread about animals eating grain. 

I have not tried giving bread or rice to cattle, but I do know that every animal we've raised except horses will eat those.  And since horses will eat corn, oats, etc., I'd bet they would, too.  I had a calf back when who was a sickly runt, and he grew and got healthy partly with all the rotten/half-eaten tomatoes our garden could make.  Horses, cattle, goats, dogs, and cats will eat about anything we've ever grown.  I don't know all the effects of grain on cattle, but I do know that except for oats, a horse will kill itself almost immediately if it can get into unlimited grains.

I agree that domesticated grains cause problems with almost everything.  My only point was that they are unavoidable unless you can either raise animals on nothing but what their wild ancestors could have eaten, or you hunt animals so far out in the middle of nowhere that it is only worthwile if you live there.

It's just a matter of control and money.  It's not like growing your own food, hunting (regardless of weapon), gathering, and raising a family aren't already nearly impossible to do without breaking some law or another.

I think is relevant at 1:50.
It has cussing.

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Peking Man Older, Colder
« on: March 18, 2009, 04:09:10 pm »
I've been kind of curious, has anyone seen any credible numbers on how many people the world could support purely with a hunter-gatherer lifestyle?  I've only seen estimates based on very specific geographical regions.

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Peking Man Older, Colder
« on: March 18, 2009, 04:02:55 pm »
It would be very helpful if you would state that you either accept or reject the theory of evolution.  Belief can sometimes mean something that you hold as true, without any evidence. 

You are right about using the word belief that way.

I accept evolution as a working theory.  I do have some minor issues, which is why I said it could be fiction.  But even so, everything I have experienced has been evidence for that explanation for our existence.
I was trying to say that creationism (at least the versions I've been exposed to,) means discarding what our senses tell us.  It would mean discarding science, logic, and philosophy.  To me, this type of irrationality explains why the world is as messed up as it is today.

On the other hand, I can't even begin to wrap my brain around some of the theories about the universe, or why we have yet to contact anyone else.

Display Your Culinary Creations / Re: Biltong
« on: March 18, 2009, 03:19:23 pm »
Mixed success, because my 70s era dehydrator kicked the bucket.

I guess it depends on how deeply vinegar can sterilize meat, which I let marinate for a little less than a day.  I kept 2 inch thick (but very wide) cuts of beef at roughly 90 degrees Fahrenheit, for 4 or 5 days.  It shrunk a little, but I don't have scales to tell how much.  The outside 5 mm or so was like jerky, but the inside just seemed more concentrated than anything else. 

Except for a bit of vinegar and thyme (I didn't notice salt or pepper) taste on the outside, the rest tasted better and had better texture than usual raw beef.  Any thoughts on why the texture was better?  Had it started breaking down?

I knew it was too thick, but I was going to continue for a few more days, and then test it's keeping ability.  So much for that.

General Discussion / Re: How much water do you drink?
« on: March 18, 2009, 03:00:10 pm »
0 to 2 gallons a day depending on activity and heat.

Anyone know the cheapest way to test for mineral content/contaminants in well water?

General Discussion / Re: Food-intolerances-Poll
« on: March 18, 2009, 02:56:14 pm »
Dairy is about the only thing I've never had raw.  I got very sick as a kid from milk, and have had mild issues ever since, but no problem with butter or cheese.

Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Peking Man Older, Colder
« on: March 12, 2009, 01:59:53 pm »
There is NO EVIDENCE that Peking man was an ancestor of humans.
In fact, there is no evidence that the human race had any ancestors, so for us, the story of evolution is just a popular fiction which has sunk so deeply into minds that it has become accepted as fact.

There are those who believe movies are true. I've met them.

Evolution could very well be fiction.  To me it just seems like the least fictional of all possibilities.

Why I believe in evolution (despite being taught something different) ---- Which hunter is more likely to pass on his genes, the one who sees a bear and takes the appropriate actions, or the one who says "I see and hear a bear, but actually what I learn from my senses could be wrong.  Maybe bears are popular ficAAARRRGGGHHH!!!"

Display Your Culinary Creations / Re: Biltong
« on: March 12, 2009, 01:30:01 pm »
The best unpasteurised vinegar is any vinegar that is said to have "mother of vinegar" in it:-

Well, there is some cloudy crud in the bottom of the vinegar that may be older than me (I recently threw out spices from the early 70s).

I've always been told the fat in jerky doesn't store.  This guy had meat with obvious chunks of fat in them, says he prefers the fat, and says it stores "weeks and months."  Jerky is easy, what I'm looking for is a way to keep fat edible for more than a week in the open air.  Will it actually work out that way?  Who knows.

I agree with you, unless you are thinking that animals ignore unnatural grain.

     We domesticate animals, and after a while they overeat just like many people who raise them or who are confined to walled areas much time. 

I live in a farming area.  Corn, wheat, and sorghum (as I guess the rest of the world calls it) is scattered liberally over nearly-bare ground.  Where it spilled, there are bucket-sized piles of it out on the ground.  Domestication has nothing to do with it.  Space has nothing to do with it.  Almost everything will eat it. 

Display Your Culinary Creations / Re: Biltong
« on: March 11, 2009, 11:21:12 pm »
Good point. 

I was figuring vinegar is okay.  Sort of the way I still count wine  ;)  I'm guessing you could use lemon/lime juice to acheive the same thing.

Leaving out worchestershire makes sense, but I think I'll just throw in some garlic and some hot chilis instead of soy. 

From what I can tell, the marinade isn't necessary except to keep the outside of the meat sterile for the first day or two.   

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: What's your favorite summer fruit?
« on: March 11, 2009, 04:21:07 pm »
The only fruit I had available within walking distance as a kid are still my favorite.
Sandhill plums, and our ridiculously old-fashioned apple tree. 

   I wish people didn't have an obsession with grain and there wasn't any being fed to animals.  Animals would not choose it with plenty of other foodstuff not held away from them.

This is off topic...

Most animals, given free choice, will still go to grains.  When it's grass grains (you know, plain old seeds) I don't think it's an issue.  Heck, lots of birds eat almost nothing but seeds.  But wild animals get a huge amount of easy calories from grain on the ground, and some domesticated animals, if turned loose, will kill themselves if there is enough grain.

Just saying...

Display Your Culinary Creations / Biltong
« on: March 11, 2009, 03:00:17 pm »
This isn't so much a recipe as a project I'm starting.
While looking for a method of preserving meat in the absence of electricity, I found...

I'm thinking this might make an alternative to pemmican, since I haven't been able to get any suet locally (yet).  The author doesn't cut off the fat, and never mentions any problems with the fat turning rancid.  At first I thought this was due to some sort of pickling action by the marinade, but his description seems to suggest killing surface bacteria/mold only.

"Initially, I didn't marinade the meat for long enough - and ended up with a very bland-tasting biltong, so the marinade is important to give it the taste and bring out the proper flavor."

It sounds to me like it would not only store at room temp, which also seems to be confirmed by my old african hunting books, but it also might be the easiest way to have a decent diet while traveling.

I am starting with beef, and if all goes well will try deer next.  I'll try a food dehydrator on lowest heat first, since it seems like the easiest option.  If the wind isn't blowing dirt onto it, I might also try hanging some outside.

If anything is drastically different from that website, I'll post pictures.

Hot Topics / Re: D'Adamo Article
« on: December 31, 2008, 09:56:55 am »
It's like reading a horoscope.

General Discussion / Re: African Hunting Videos
« on: December 28, 2008, 05:44:10 am »
Good videos, the last one that's separate isn't working for me

If you're talking about #2, they're just trying to stay alive.  Those animals can kill people armed with modern firearms, so I wouldn't condemn hunters for not making it quick.  Heck, I'd be much more cautious then them.

Personals / Re: Attraction
« on: December 27, 2008, 06:05:35 pm »
Not new, but it relates to men not raising their own kids.

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