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An eye opening interview with Dr Jack Kruse where he claims that environment is responsible of our all illness and then good food plays the role. He has an outstanding explanation on paleolithic diet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yboyGPjekCU

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This is quite new to me and puts the rest of the jigsaw puzzle together.

The mitochondria thing is important.

There is an electrical engineer in the Philippines and he has unlocked this mitochondria secret in his animal and plant supplements.  Amazing results.

He now has supplements for humans... after quite a few farmers wisened up that if his supplements were giving great health benefits for their livestock, why not for themselves when they are sick.

Here you go

https://www.facebook.com/atovitechnology/info?tab=page_info

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http://www.atovianimalg2.com
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More Jack Kruse recommendations.

Very useful for healing the sick.

http://jackkruse.com/brain-gut-6-epi-paleo-rx/
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It was a bit surprising to hear him say this at 1:00:42 in the video:

"So, a pescetarian vegan, if there's such a thing, would be a really, really smart thing to do. And if you really fundamentally look at, you know, what I wrote in my book, that's kind of an acronym for the Epi-Paleo Prescription, because that's really, kind of what it is."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yboyGPjekCU&t=60m42s
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
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I felt pretty good at Wai Diet.
Except for the high carb which just gave me hypoglycemic symptoms.
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It was a bit surprising to hear him say this at 1:00:42 in the video:

"So, a pescetarian vegan, if there's such a thing, would be a really, really smart thing to do. And if you really fundamentally look at, you know, what I wrote in my book, that's kind of an acronym for the Epi-Paleo Prescription, because that's really, kind of what it is."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yboyGPjekCU&t=60m42s

 For him it's about the DHA in seafood.  Am on an oyster experiment at the moment,, will let you know how it goes,,  but so far I do notice changes..

Inger, if you can share more about your experiences following his guidelines, that would be great.    Are you still daily cold river dunking? and what do you think the ideal time in the water is for you.   
   I did hear something that seemed a little eccentric to me.  He mentioned where he astounded someone sitting next to him at a paleo conference by how much lamb he ate... but then went on to say what that person didn't realize was that after dinner he spent two hours packed in ice.    When I hear things like that,  it makes me wonder if it's just mental gymnastics with the body,, i.e, to be able to stuff oneself at the expense of freezing your body..  Also the last podcast I saw, his face/ neck  was miserably overweight??

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I think that is where finding optimal diet turns into the dreaded "orthorexia".  Justifying overeating by how "efficient" you can make your body at burning calories is a horrible thing to do, it takes you to the extremes and if that is your routine you will age and degenerate your body extremely quickly. 

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He doesn't look exceptionally healthy, not young and taunt like raw foodists tend to.

He does seem to talk a lot of of rubbish, but if he has believers that enjoy his style and have become healthier as a result then that's great.

It seems that all of the motivational stories we are exposed to have their fictional sides - Jack, AV, Jesus etc - sometimes believing the story can really help people, other times it traps them in a idealised dead end. Just depends on the situation and how the messages are applied by the disciple.
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Oh come on guys...let's not be too hard on the healer.  My point of view is to welcome all healers.  From what I hear, Jack has helped heal many people.  Our own Inger and Raw have learned some really good things from him that have helped them in their quest for health.

So how about we just appreciate the man for his contributions?

I have observed with my own journey over the years that yes, what he says about sea food having more nutrition than red meat may have nuggets of truth in it.

I know personally because I did Wai Diet for a time before I learned to eat raw red meat and then swing to more red meat and then swinging back to maybe more sea food.  I know I need raw red meat with the saturated fat on it from time to time because just sea food for a long time is not filling enough.

And of course I heal people as well and have used bone broths and fish broths as well as raw paleo on the sick.

I'm still piecing together the mitochondria thing... still have to do further experimentation on that.

And that cold water thing is something I had observed on myself and my children.

Avoiding EMFs we all know is big.
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For him it's about the DHA in seafood.
Yes, and he discussed that in the video. That's what he was referring to with "pescetarian" ("pescetarian vegan" would be contradictory, so I think he meant pescetarian).
 
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Am on an oyster experiment at the moment,, will let you know how it goes,,  but so far I do notice changes..
Yes, oysters are well known to be a healthy food.

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I did hear something that seemed a little eccentric to me.  He mentioned where he astounded someone sitting next to him at a paleo conference by how much lamb he ate...
There you have hit the nail on the head, Van. That is why Dr. Kruse's description of his diet as effectively pescetarian is surprising. Since when are enormous quantities of lamb and the "chronic ketosis" he advocated in the video part of a pescetarian diet? Does he not know what the term means?

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Also the last podcast I saw, his face/ neck  was miserably overweight??
He explained it in the video. He is writing a book that will point out what he sees as the flaws born of ignorance in the books of two Paleo diet authors, and he said he put the weight on while eating the foods in their diet books, plus making himself hypoxic, by doing things like wear an oxygen-restricting mask to bed. Does that not sound risky and don't the makers of those masks normally warn to not wear them while sleeping?

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Inger, if you can share more about your experiences following his guidelines, that would be great.    Are you still daily cold river dunking? and what do you think the ideal time in the water is for you.
I also use cold showers and coldwater bathing/plunging (and also increase the contrast with quite warm water), and do find it beneficial, FWIW. I don't do it for nearly as long as Dr. Kruse reports and don't see the point of frequently doing such lengthy times beyond claiming superior cold tolerance (and it would help his credibility if he would demonstrate it publicly, monitored by objective observers, rather than just claim it).


He doesn't look exceptionally healthy, not young and taunt like raw foodists tend to.
Yes, I hope this doesn't come across as mean, but his hair is way more gray/pigment-reduced than mine and he's only a year older. Gray hair is not a purely cosmetic issue. Art De Vany has written some interesting stuff about how a low glutathione level contributes to gray hair (http://tinyurl.com/kjtmd3c). Glutathione protects against the oxidative stress produced by hydrogen peroxidide.

Inger, in contrast, looks very young for her age (before someone brings up the old canard about appearances having nothing to do with actual health or physiological age, please note that Inger's youthful physiological age was confirmed with a measuring device developed in Europe, which she wrote about before). Maybe Jack could learn some things from our own lovely Inger? Perhaps Jack should try eating more of his foods raw, for example?

Prof. Chris Masterjohn wrote about how (cooked) chronic ketogenic diets may generate methylglyoxal (Where Do Most AGEs Come From? O Glycation, How Thy Name Hast Deceived Me! by Chris Masterjohn, http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/where-do-most-ages-come-from-o.html)

When there is not enough glutathione available to offset it, methylglyoxal (MG) can act as a mediator to form Advanced Glycation Endproducts (AGEs) (see Methylglyoxal Modification of Protein, http://www.jbc.org/content/274/26/18492.full ).

The following study found that in as little as 3 weeks, a (cooked) chronic ketogenic diet appeared to deplete liver glutathione in the same way as a daily dose of Tylenol: Acute oxidative stress and systemic Nrf2 activation by the ketogenic diet, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0969996110001920

It fits with the doubled MG levels that Beisswenger et al found in the most-compliant Atkins dieters in just a few weeks (http://tinyurl.com/n5ggfpz; for more discussion, see also http://freetheanimal.com/2014/11/hormesis-missing-glutathione.html).
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>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
Beware of problems from chronic Very Low Carb

 

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