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How much raw protein is required to heal?
« on: June 08, 2015, 11:57:19 am »
I recently received an email from someone on the primal diet who told me that between 500-950grams of raw protein per day is required to heal. Can anyone comment on this? I vaguely remember AV saying he eats up to 3 pounds of raw meat a day.

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2015, 04:53:07 pm »
It all depends on the individual, his build, normal weight, gender, age etc. Although AV, with his recommendations to eat vast amounts of food a day is not to be trusted.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2015, 06:17:10 pm »
It all depends on the individual, his build, normal weight, gender, age etc. Although AV, with his recommendations to eat vast amounts of food a day is not to be trusted.

Cheers Tyler. The person who gave me this advice followed AV.

Do you find that you can eat, say, 300 grams of chicken and not at all feel full, but the same amount cooked would fill you? I find that and its weird. I feel like I could eat 1kg of raw chicken but im not sure if its a good idea...

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2015, 06:32:54 pm »
Cheers Tyler. The person who gave me this advice followed AV.

Do you find that you can eat, say, 300 grams of chicken and not at all feel full, but the same amount cooked would fill you? I find that and its weird. I feel like I could eat 1kg of raw chicken but im not sure if its a good idea...
I feel much fuller after eating cooked foods.  This must be because my body has switched over to specialising in digesting raw foods, so that less effort is made to digest cooked foods.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2015, 06:53:18 pm »
I feel much fuller after eating cooked foods.  This must be because my body has switched over to specialising in digesting raw foods, so that less effort is made to digest cooked foods.

True. I just ate 300grams of chicken protein and feel fine. Its weird.

Do you eat much fruit?

I always feel better eating lots of fruit. I find this diet interesting: curemanual.com/diet-strategies/

Option A: FRUITARIAN Healing Diet is 100% raw food diet comes. For those with wrecked digestive systems. Suggest raw, organic / wild fruitarian diet. (few vegetables, no nightshades). With plenty of healthy raw fats from coconut meat, avocados, extra virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil, soy lecithin. This should be very temporary. Humans are omnivores and will need raw animal foods.

Option B: Healing Diet is 100% raw food. Raw fruitarian + Raw animal foods like raw organic fertilized eggs, raw organic fats, raw organic internal organs, raw wild ocean fish. A stabilizing body building diet comes next. You try to find the diet you are comfortable with to coast with the rest of your life. My preference is it is a continuous balancing act between raw fruits and raw fatty meats.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2015, 08:05:34 pm »
I do not do better eating lots of fruit. That makes me eat too much in general. I do eat more fruit in the summer because eating more than a small amount of raw meat in a hot climate makes me even hotter than I am, but otherwise I am raw low-carb.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2015, 08:04:20 am »
Are you sure these were grams of protein, and not grams of meat? 950 grams of protein would be over 5kg (11lb) of 15% fat beef, for example. 500-950 grams of meat a day is totally doable. 300 grams of protein from chicken breast with skin would be around 1.5kg (3.3lb).
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2015, 06:09:04 pm »
I do not do better eating lots of fruit. That makes me eat too much in general. I do eat more fruit in the summer because eating more than a small amount of raw meat in a hot climate makes me even hotter than I am, but otherwise I am raw low-carb.

A lot of people (or at least published experts) tend to advice reducing or cutting out fruit. Ive tried this but feel much better on fruit. It really agrees with me. I tried raw dairy again and it makes me feel like shit. Right now im doing the raw paleo -- raw meat, raw fruit, raw nuts and some roots and veges. I feel much better, fat better than if i do raw meat alone. Perhaps when i heal i can do raw meat but the fruit certainly helps the transition
 

Are you sure these were grams of protein, and not grams of meat? 950 grams of protein would be over 5kg (11lb) of 15% fat beef, for example. 500-950 grams of meat a day is totally doable. 300 grams of protein from chicken breast with skin would be around 1.5kg (3.3lb).

No way it was protein. Thats a crazy amount. She meant protein as in meat....surely...

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2015, 02:47:35 am »
No way it was protein. Thats a crazy amount. She meant protein as in meat....surely...

Ah, ok, just clarifying. It's important not to mix up the two.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2015, 04:11:55 pm »
Ive been eating a raw paleo diet all week, and ive felt a lot better. Certainly the pain and inflammation within my gi tract has dissipated a little, but after 3-4 days, i felt an immense craving for starchy carbs. I resisted and just felt worse and worse. Ive tried many low carb diets over the years but i find them unmanageable - maybe as a result of my genetics; maybe its my health. Either way, Ive gone nearly 4 days on a raw paleo (fruit, nuts, raw animal) so let myself slip tonight and had some sourdough bread and roast potato. I already feel better. The pain in my gi tract isnt as bad either because of the hard work ive done lately.

My question is:

Assuming the ultimate goal is to live on a raw paleo diet, is it ok to achieve this incrementally, and is that what others have done? I read sabertooth went full raw paleo and felt better in a week. Would he, or have others, hit that point during that transition where the cravings are overwhelming you become desperately weak, almost on the verge of collapse? I mean, id eat shit for a year if it cured me, i just dont want to do any more damage to my body.

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2015, 09:32:51 pm »
Assuming the ultimate goal is to live on a raw paleo diet, is it ok to achieve this incrementally, and is that what others have done? I read sabertooth went full raw paleo and felt better in a week. Would he, or have others, hit that point during that transition where the cravings are overwhelming you become desperately weak, almost on the verge of collapse? I mean, id eat shit for a year if it cured me, i just dont want to do any more damage to my body.


Fruits and nuts provide carbohydrates, so why not eat a raw-paleo carb when you want more carbohydrate? Since you mention inflammation, it might be wise to test to see which foods inflame your system. Just pick a symptom of inflammation and watch for it after eating each food. I finally did this testing and was able to identify individual raw foods that trigger discomfort.

My inflamming foods are, not coincidentally, the ones I tend to crave. Wheat and potatoes are among the common triggers. If you "crave" carbs, eat cooked broccoli or yam rather than cooked wheat or potato so you would have less collateral damage in terms of inflammation.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 12:44:36 am »
Fruits and nuts provide carbohydrates, so why not eat a raw-paleo carb when you want more carbohydrate? Since you mention inflammation, it might be wise to test to see which foods inflame your system. Just pick a symptom of inflammation and watch for it after eating each food. I finally did this testing and was able to identify individual raw foods that trigger discomfort.

My inflamming foods are, not coincidentally, the ones I tend to crave. Wheat and potatoes are among the common triggers. If you "crave" carbs, eat cooked broccoli or yam rather than cooked wheat or potato so you would have less collateral damage in terms of inflammation.

Fruit and nuts dont provide all the carbs i need. Potatoes included barely do. Maybe they will when im healthy, but at the moment the cravings are overwhelming, particularly if i exercise. I actually plan on fermenting my starchy carbs and see if that helps

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2015, 02:38:12 am »
Ive tried High fruit diets. My teeth have never been the same.

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2015, 07:28:20 am »
for me, the more carbs I eat, the more cravings I will have next days.

cutting totally can be the easiest way to get rid of carbs cravings.

the more I play with the "craving thoughts" , the easiest for the cravings to succeed..
the more I "negate" this thoughts, the quicker the cravings will be gone.

hope you feel well!
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2015, 12:33:58 pm »
Ive tried High fruit diets. My teeth have never been the same.

What do you mean your teeth have never been the same?

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2015, 10:44:21 am »
It must depend on what you are trying to heal. In many cases today illness is caused by over consumption, in which case eating smaller quantities of higher quality foods would be best to assist with healing.

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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2015, 10:41:06 am »
On high fruit diets my teeth began have severe pains, and became see through. Eventually they became so soft/weak pieces of my teeth started chipping and breaking off... still do till this day. It is like having sand in my mouth.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2015, 06:19:12 am »
what about diabetes? how much raw protein would it take to heal?
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2015, 09:37:02 am »
what about diabetes? how much raw protein would it take to heal?

My experience and my reading would tend to say that raw protein is not an isolated healing factor with diabetes. Perhaps you could first elaborate on the type and cause of the diabetes - if type 1 (faulty insulin production) or type 2 (faulty cellular response to insulin), was it an autoimmune situation affecting the pancreas, or inactivity/obesity related, or vegetarian's carb overload, or any other cause for the symptom. IMO, diabetes is only a symptom. A healthy healing takes causes, not simply symptoms, into account.

OTOH, if someone did convince me that a hefty amount of raw meat would heal in and of itself, I'd eat protein until it was pouring out of my ears.
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Re: How much raw protein is required to heal?
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2015, 09:46:32 am »
i forgot to add that im type 2 diabetic.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2015, 10:54:17 am »
Do you understand the cause of your diabetes? On another thread, you wrote about candida, which is a common sign that your bloodsugar is generally high. What are your blood sugar readings like? Do you take insulin or other diabetes meds?
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2015, 05:21:44 am »
Feeling lethargic,intense thirst, urinating often. I was doing alot better until i start working over nights. Diabetes runs in my family.
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2015, 05:22:36 am »
I take metformin
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