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other peoples reactions?
« on: November 11, 2008, 12:33:05 pm »
how have those close to you reacted when they have found out about your diet? Has friends/family/spouse had a fit about it?

My parents don't know yet, I'm sure my dad would have a major fit about it. When i told him about the WAPD diet and Dr. Prices expedition and research, he refused to acknowledge the benefits ("what is a perfect bone structure?" "if this diet is so good then why hasn't the government/medical community told us about it?" "everything is moderation in good(talking about flour here)" "There ain't enough animal organs to go around, therefor it's sloppy science!" "our ancestors lived to be 40")

So anyone want to share their experience!

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 03:37:46 pm »
My family is great about it but my friends who know think I'm weird. I had a co-worker convinced I was going to die if I kept eating this way. I don't really advertise it though. I most usually eat at home after work. I got tired of having to defend myself every time I ate at work.

I've tried lending books to people but most don't even read them. I don't dare invite them here. First, I know I've said thing about them that I wouldn't want them to see. #2 This wouldn't be an escape for me knowing that people I know in real life were reading what I write. I did invite my brother. I wouldn't mind him being here but he's not interested - not YET anyway.  ;)

I wouldn't mind bolting down a raw organ in front of strangers, just to see their reactions but not in front of people I have to deal with every day.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 06:08:14 pm »
Well, my family accept my diet, but just view it as one in a long line of past eccentric behaviour - they've had to admit that it hasn't killed me after 7 years, so they're not too bothered. I don't mention it to most people, unless they ask. Even if they do ask, I usually just state that I'm following a Palaeolithic Diet, without stressing the raw, though I've told some acquaintances that I eat raw animal foods.

The only criticism I get, really, is from an NHS  doctor acquaintance of mine, who keeps on trying to convert me to the cooked balanced/diet philosophy. He always has this stupid smirk on his face, as though he's supposedly all-knowledgeable on health and showing great forbearance about my supposed ignorance re diet, and makes pointed claims about  the RAF movement supposedly being a cult etc. The irony of it is that he's in very bad shape needing all sorts of supplements to make up for the nutritional deficiencies of his so-called balanced diet and and has to take pain-killers twice  a day in order to be able to walk properly because his joints are almost completely destroyed.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 07:39:00 pm »
Recently I've been a lot more open about my diet.
One of my coworkers started asking me about health and diet so at first I just told her about the Paleolithic diet. She told me she was really interested in it and wanted to know more, so I ended up telling her it was actually raw. Didn't seem to phase her at all.

Other friends recently that have found out said things like it was gross, and "you need to cook your food... aren't you worried about e. coli?" and I simply did some explaining about grass-fed. Then subjects changed and there was no difference. It's not like they ran and hid from me lol.

It took my parents some getting used to, but they saw how serious I was about it, and that I had actually done research and at least thought I knew what I was talking about. I think they view it like Tyler said his parents do.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 08:57:05 pm »
My family knows the disease I went through.  My story and pictures and success story is at http://www.eczemacure.info

They've seen me do the detoxes, herbals, nurturing techniques, fasting techniques and gadgets that were all instrumental in helping me and many other people get well from diseases.

They've seen me try raw vegan and raw fruitarian, going Wai diet with raw eggs and raw fish was easy for them to accept.  But the introduction of raw land animals, my wife is still adjusting.  Just this evening she was going out of her mind discovering why I ate ROTTEN MEAT.  I told her it was High Meat - Pro-biotics eskimo style.  She said I wasn't an eskimo, I said she wasn't swiss either but she eats yogurt.

Compared to raw vegan and raw fruitarian... I look good... normal weight.  The rest of the family and the maids are getting used to seeing me eat raw meat with them at the dinner table.  When I eat raw fish, there are no reactions and they all eat raw fish just the same as I share my meals with them.  But when it is raw land animals, I just have it in my plate.

I'm the family healer... they know what I'm doing is best... but it's something only they will do when they have no choice if they are sick and dying.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 01:46:00 am »
Well, I must admit you've got some courage, Edwin. A lot of married RPDers tend to feel they have to kowtow and can only eat cooked-meats, not raw meats, when they're at the table with their other half.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 05:05:28 am »
Not long ago I made a switch from a mostly raw vegan diet to a paleo diet. Right now I am slowly going more and more raw paleo. I have to say, during all of the diets I have tried, it's not the diet itself that is hard to follow, but it's about the quality of the food. It takes an effort to eat high quality foods consistently. I can eat paleo at a restaurant but it'll be grain fed meat, made with vegetables oil, with some sauce, and a conventionally grown, pesticide filled salad, again with vegetable oil. I can go to a friend's house and I won't mind eating some cooked chicken, but what bothers me is if it's made in a teflon pan or even worse, microwaved. It's those things that make it hard to eat healthy. Not that you can't follow your "diet" 100% of the time. It's just hard to get high quality foods (which, if cooked, are cooked in a traditional manner, not through microwaving).

Obviously you really can't be sure when eating out how they cook your food. I mostly go to sushi bars when eating out. Rare/raw meat I only eat at home. When I travel I try to follow a cooked paleo diet as good as I can. On some occasions when travelling I've even eaten some grains. What matters more is the quality of the food. There is still difference between a McDonalds meal and getting a rare steak with some vegetables at a restaurant.

In the western world today the problem isn't the lack of foods, it's the lack of quality of foods.

Maybe a raw paleo diet where raw meat has to be the main food source is the most difficult one to follow, from a social perspective, if someone tries to be 100% (travelling becomes difficult). You have to think about the advantages/disadvantages for YOURSELF. Remember that being around other people brings health benefits too, then just eating home, alone, every day.

I don't tell people that I'm following a diet, I just say that I avoid grains. When traveling I usually try getting the best quality foods available and I eat at restaurants where I can customize what I order and ask about what ingredients they use.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 10:13:57 am »
I keep trying to keep stuff to myself, but it appears my nature is more outgoing. I have a very hard time taking it when I hear people around me talking about their prescription drugs, about how "healthy" this or that nonsense is. When they ask me I get into it and it becomes this situation where they agree with me and say they would "eat anything" to lose weight or regain health, but then they just don't do it or even ask how it's done. It's just a bunch of words to them, most people simply cannot grasp the "you are what you eat" concept and just see diet as either losing fat or at best getting sick less often and having more energy sometimes. They listen to me and seem to believe all the research and anecdotal reports of curing diseases and having profound changes with this diet, but they don't "really" believe me or else they would do it.

My goal is to play it off completely as much as I can and have people actively come to me for information instead of saying anything about it. Like if I'm eating and someone is like "what are you eating?" I try to just say what it is (usually muscle/suet mixed together in a glass container) and let them make remarks and then ask me why etc. Last week I did this and one woman asked if I was a raw foodist (she must have heard something about it then) and I said yes and that was that.

My parents have seen me through vegetarian and different raw diets, I used to be very argumentative (now I try to control it) and basically am better at arguing/debating than them so they learned not to prod to hard a while ago. But it's the same with everyone except for a few very open minded people in my life, they think it's interesting, believe me when I talk about how unhealthy certain things are like grains and pharmaceuticals, agree with me about all this stuff, and then just go and take their drugs and eat their SAD diet as if they didn't just agree with me that it was very bad for them. It's like bizarro world, like everyone is walking around agreeing they can fly but not doing it and not noticing how strange that is. It's very hard to get over actually. So my new trick is to pretend I have this secret to perfect health, that's the only way I can reconcile this absurdity of people not trying it yet believing what I'm telling them. I have some profound deep secret that they are not privy to and therefore they cannot understand the diet. On the one hand it's a contrived idea because I don't think I have any special knowledge and I basically tell people everything I know about it, but on the other hand maybe I do have some special knowledge, a knowledge in my heart or soul or something that takes the mental knowledge of what's healthy and what's not and puts in into real action rather than just talk like most people. I can sometimes identify others with that type of knowledge, and although they don't always follow the diet I discuss with them they at least try something that seems true to them, something "normal" people wouldn't try.

A very long winded way of saying the world is crazy and people's reactions are no exception; it's a crap shoot.

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 01:43:15 am »
I keep trying to keep stuff to myself, but it appears my nature is more outgoing. I have a very hard time taking it when I hear people around me talking about their prescription drugs, about how "healthy" this or that nonsense is. When they ask me I get into it and it becomes this situation where they agree with me and say they would "eat anything" to lose weight or regain health, but then they just don't do it or even ask how it's done. It's just a bunch of words to them, most people simply cannot grasp the "you are what you eat" concept and just see diet as either losing fat or at best getting sick less often and having more energy sometimes. They listen to me and seem to believe all the research and anecdotal reports of curing diseases and having profound changes with this diet, but they don't "really" believe me or else they would do it.

My goal is to play it off completely as much as I can and have people actively come to me for information instead of saying anything about it. Like if I'm eating and someone is like "what are you eating?" I try to just say what it is (usually muscle/suet mixed together in a glass container) and let them make remarks and then ask me why etc. Last week I did this and one woman asked if I was a raw foodist (she must have heard something about it then) and I said yes and that was that.

My parents have seen me through vegetarian and different raw diets, I used to be very argumentative (now I try to control it) and basically am better at arguing/debating than them so they learned not to prod to hard a while ago. But it's the same with everyone except for a few very open minded people in my life, they think it's interesting, believe me when I talk about how unhealthy certain things are like grains and pharmaceuticals, agree with me about all this stuff, and then just go and take their drugs and eat their SAD diet as if they didn't just agree with me that it was very bad for them. It's like bizarro world, like everyone is walking around agreeing they can fly but not doing it and not noticing how strange that is. It's very hard to get over actually. So my new trick is to pretend I have this secret to perfect health, that's the only way I can reconcile this absurdity of people not trying it yet believing what I'm telling them. I have some profound deep secret that they are not privy to and therefore they cannot understand the diet. On the one hand it's a contrived idea because I don't think I have any special knowledge and I basically tell people everything I know about it, but on the other hand maybe I do have some special knowledge, a knowledge in my heart or soul or something that takes the mental knowledge of what's healthy and what's not and puts in into real action rather than just talk like most people. I can sometimes identify others with that type of knowledge, and although they don't always follow the diet I discuss with them they at least try something that seems true to them, something "normal" people wouldn't try.

A very long winded way of saying the world is crazy and people's reactions are no exception; it's a crap shoot.

Hi raw kyle. I've also found that I often get very argumentative, but it's mostly a useless thing to do.


I have to say I have found people believe in results they can see, they don't believe in arguments. I do it too. Everybody can have great arguments, seriously, but those that go out there and make the results are the ones worth imitating, learning from.

For example let's say a border-line anorexic walks up to me and tells me he has discovered the true diet for health, which was always eaten in paleolithic times. He could then tell me how wrong I am for eating this or that meat, and what I need to change, but would I listen to him? Not a single bit. Because I can immediately see that doing what he's doing will bring me the same results. Results I quite frankly am not looking for.

If I on the other hand see someone who is physically very fit, seems to be happy on a consistent basis, has got his life together, in-balance, good family life, then I will naturally want to learn from this person, take advice from him and follow it, and try to copy him as much as possible. This is the type of person that doesn't have to say anything or force his lifestyle "secrets" on others because others naturally want advice/guidance from such a person and will therefore ask.

I don't want to do the same as someone who is clearly getting the results i don't want out of life, just because of some theory this person has.

That's the first reason why people might not want to follow your advice (ask yourself, are you coming of as angry/frustrated/self-absorbed/unhealthy/unhappy?). But as you say, some might be nice and friendly and listen to you anyway, even though they don't follow it. We all have different paths and resources.

The second reason why people don't change their lifestyles just because of some advice is: Time-frame. You have to think about that it took you a lot of time, trials and errors, testing, reading, and so on, to be where you are at, to have the beliefs you have today. And I bet your beliefs today will even change down the road. For people to be convinced themselves, they often need to go through a similar procedure, especially because everybody around them is doing something differently, and they themselves have been doing it differently their entire lives.

Also keep in mind people are different, so some do great on a diet you would do horribly on.

If you want people to learn from you, in relation to diet, you need to get a really, really fit body. BE an example. And you need to give people time. They have to make the conclusions themselves, you can never just give them the conclusions you have made because they are your conclusions and you are at a completely different level. You need to tell them about the science behind, tell them where they can read about it by themselves when alone, and ask them questions so they arrive to the conclusions themselves. Questions are the most powerful way to get people to change their mind about anything, because people don't feel their beliefs are attacked with questions. This way the mind doesn't set up barriers.

If someone came to you and said "raw beef organs are a deadly poison! Stop eating them!" Your mind will set up a defensive barrier and your belief that organ meat is good might even become stronger. On the other hand if someone shows you some solid evidence, gives you time to read up on some facts, tells you, in a happy manner, about experiments that have been done, appreciates your point of view as well, asks you questions ( "the centenarians of the western world today never ate raw organ meats, but why do they live to be a 100? Maybe there is a more important factor than raw meat for health?" / just a bad example) Then your mind will form conclusions by its own, especially if the new advice is working well for you and you can see the logic in it yourself.

Most people don't see the logic in arguments because they have no knowledge in science, nutrition, so that's why it isn't as crystal clear to them as it is to you. They have nothing in their brain to relate your conclusions and your logic to. They don't know the number of generations it take for gene-mutation to spread through a population. So if you say that grains were only introduced into the human diet 10,000 years ago, their brain won't really relate that information to anything and no new conclusion will be formed. And anyone can say that "the C5 Molecule binds to the inhibiting enzyme in the metabolic chain X and that's why you shouldn't eat this". This will make no sense to anyone who doesn't know molecular biology and honestly its TOO scientific for most people to relate to.

If you really desire that people take advice from you, keep the advice simple, encouraging, be a happy, fit example who has produced clear, visible results in his own life. Then people will ask you for advice if you give them hints that you know a lot about nutrition.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2015, 01:25:11 am »
G.S. QUOTE:
She said I wasn't an Eskimo, I said she wasn't Swiss either but she eats yogurt.

What a brilliant retort! I hope she was not too deeply offended and saw the funny side!

 

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