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Earth's shape?
« on: November 07, 2015, 03:08:54 am »
A ball or flat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i_iDyUTCg
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
Both same material. First video (about 2 hours), second in written form.

Considering majority of mentalities and "opinions" on this: Before you say anything, and especially if what you intend to say is negative, like "total nonsense" or "bullshit" or anything like that. Best you watch the video or read the book first (both same material, of which some points might be false, but that doesn't mean all of them are; because all of them definitely are not false, especially some of the most direct and important ones).
Then think it all (enough of it) over with an unbiased mind, advisably relying mostly on info originating from personal senses and experiences and mental unbiased reasoning, focusing on that which you personally can with certainty verify for yourself (as opposed to parroting-repeating what someone or something you might or might not regard as authority consciously or subconsciously, dictates-decides what and how you must think and say without yourself actually understanding anything you are thus thinking and saying). Because there are many things Earth being a ball and rotating fast would simply make impossible to be, yet are; and/or would make this "Earth" to be different than it is.

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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2015, 04:25:40 am »
Then how does GPS work? It uses satellites.

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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2015, 05:19:54 am »
A professor at my university once said: "Consider yourself lucky if you produce 5% of original thoughts in your lifetime".

I've got bad news for you Nummi: Your belief that the planet is flat is a "parroting" of an intellectual authority you consider more highly than the other, for whatever reason. And the view you have of the world is anything but unbiased. As it is for everyone of us, to some degree.

The only way a person could know for sure if the world was flat or round is if he went in space, or traveled around the globe. I read Mike Horn's "Lattitude zero", where he tells his amazing journey around the earth by foot and by sailling. He followed the equator within a 20km margin North and South. He explains in the book that he was able to return to the same beach he first left, some 40,000km ago. Now, is "Lattitude Zero" some sort of illluminati propaganda aimed at the adventure book crowd? I doubt it  l) But who knows....
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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 06:05:48 am »
Check out this video (just ignore his open hate against "flat-heads") and the others in the video's description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zFX8f2in8
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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2015, 10:17:45 am »
This yoga instructor went totally coo-coo.  And looks like he is vegan.  That explains it all.

I like this one. 

" Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects.
The London and Northwestern Railway forms a straight line 180 miles long between London and Liverpool. The railroad’s highest point, midway at Birmingham station, is only 240 feet above sea-level. If the world were actually a globe, however, curving 8 inches per mile squared, the 180 mile stretch of rail would form an arc with the center point at Birmingham raising over a mile, a full 5,400 feet above London and Liverpool."

It is really hard for vegan yoga instructor to comprehend this railroad thing.

And check this out.  He adores Hitler.

" Adolf Hitler was actually a vegetarian, animal-lover, an author, an artist, a political activist, economic reformer and nominated for a Nobel Peace prize. He enacted the world's first anti-animal cruelty, anti-pollution, and anti-smoking laws. Unlike the demonic portrait that the "allies" painted of him, Hitler was beloved by his people, he wanted nothing but peace, and never ordered the extermination of a single Jew."

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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2015, 11:20:59 am »
So according to this guy,

1. the Earth is flat

2. Hitler is cool, yo

He is either a troll, or the person with the greatest gift for being wrong I've ever encountered.

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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2015, 04:13:01 pm »
It's flabbergasting that in our 21st century there are still morons believing that the Earth is a flat surface. That those morons are able to write on Internet and record videos is another bewilderment.

Oh, but yeah, there are also those supreme idiots who blow themselves amongst “infidels” to kill them along, believing that by doing so they’ll get to a paradise with 70 virgins to serve them!

Stupidity has no limit. Poor humanity!   

Any child can lower his head near the water surface on a see shore and see a ship gradually disappear as the eyes are lowered nearer the surface.

What about boats, airplanes and satellites going around the planet? What about people traveling around the World?
Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2015, 05:07:15 pm »
Isn't it odd how of all the topics, this always gets the strongest opposition and aggression from "ball-earthers"? Why such inability to take this calmly with a sober mind, like adults? The only occasions such behavior is also present is with religious fanatics. Religious fanatics such as the bible worshippers, and vegans, also capitalists, patriots, nationalists, most scientists, etc. There is one common thing among all of them, which is that they take as true something that in reality is not true.
Truth is hard if life is based on lies, and so they lash out to try to prevent getting hurt. Instead of at least admitting that they might be wrong, not necessarily that they are wrong but at least that they might be.

I was rather specific and pointed out to not give negative comments and to actually think the material through. Well, if you cannot even understand this little bit, then of course all the rest will very likely evade you.
I also said: "Some points might be false, but that doesn't mean all of them are; because all of them definitely are not false, especially some of the most direct and important ones."

If anyone intends to reply, then do answer the questions and do take into consideration what has been said. I am not interested in any "pissing contents" nor ignoring what has been said and the not answering of asked questions that are relevant, and the not explaining oneself. - Elementary things like this should not even be said, but since I know and see and have seen mentalities of people, I see what is coming in general following something that is labeled as "controversial", and so make some fore-suggestions (best to heed these suggestions if you don't want to make yourself look like an idiot).
I know very well what a "pissing contest" looks like, from beginning to finish. And you, not me, have already begun. But I'm not interested in such literal nonsense, and if you continue the same path, then piss alone.
Hopefully you can get past the said without making yourselves angry and aggressive and thus lashing out... After all, truth is hard if life is based on lies.

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Then how does GPS work? It uses satellites.
GPS is man-made. GPS is not real land, not real world. It is programmable and manipulable. Ever seen animations? GPS is of same essence. The world does not follow GPS.

Satellites? Did you even read the material? And if you did, did you at least try to think it over with an unbiased mind (as I suggested one should do, instead of giving negative comments based on nothing)? The material explains enough about satellites, and many other things.
It's best if instead of saying "this is so" without providing an explanation, you instead do explain why so.

If you don't bother thinking it over and if you don't bother checking the validity of your own opinions and what you think you know, then why say anything at all? This kind of behavior is exactly what I suggested not to do.

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I've got bad news for you Nummi: Your belief that the planet is flat is a "parroting" of an intellectual authority you consider more highly than the other, for whatever reason. And the view you have of the world is anything but unbiased. As it is for everyone of us, to some degree.
You know what you would find 100% impossible to do? The pointing out of the spot where I said I believe the planet is flat.
You might as well explain what you mean by the word "believe" and "belief", as these words are used so lighthandedly without even knowing what they truly mean and can mean. Do you know?

Did you read/watch-listen the material? Assuming you did, then did you also think it through? Of course you did not, for if you had you would not have given such a response. Or you did it with biased perspectives.
Why give a reply if, apparently, all you are interested in, regarding this topic, is merely the transmission of your indoctrination and your own beliefs the truth nor origin of you do not know, while such responses were specifically not asked for?
Consider the simple truth that all this "Earth is a sphere", I got the same "education" regarding it all as I grew up. So why would one want to begin questioning it? What are the reasons for beginning to question something that seemingly is so "solid"?

The world has its forms. These forms can be described and explained in many different ways, many different words and sentences and other word-constructs and even ways other than words. There are many different angles and perspective and contexts, of which all are true if they don't distort truth. Unbiased means that whatever way you choose to describe the world, that the forms the world has remain intact and true in description.
Biased is when you are describing the world to be of some forms that it is not. When the picture the description forms does not correspond to the world.
Which means I don't care if you give the description your own "slant", your own personal tone, as long as it remains in correspondence to what the world really is like (to whatever extent it is known). Not to mention different descriptions that are deemed to be true, yet are in obvious contradiction.

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The only way a person could know for sure if the world was flat or round is if he went in space, or traveled around the globe. I read Mike Horn's "Lattitude zero", where he tells his amazing journey around the earth by foot and by sailling. He followed the equator within a 20km margin North and South. He explains in the book that he was able to return to the same beach he first left, some 40,000km ago. Now, is "Lattitude Zero" some sort of illluminati propaganda aimed at the adventure book crowd? I doubt it  l) But who knows....
These also have explanations in the material.

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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2015, 05:19:23 pm »
Some of these Illuminati conspiracy-types can actually be very convincing. I recall once reading a Moon-Landing conspiracy website which pointed out how a US flag on a Moon Landing video was waving around as though it was being moved by wind etc. Turns out there was indeed a legitimate reason for a flag to keep on waving on the Moon, after all.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2015, 08:24:45 pm »
And check this out.  He adores Hitler.

" Adolf Hitler was actually a vegetarian, animal-lover, an author, an artist, a political activist, economic reformer and nominated for a Nobel Peace prize. He enacted the world's first anti-animal cruelty, anti-pollution, and anti-smoking laws. Unlike the demonic portrait that the "allies" painted of him, Hitler was beloved by his people, he wanted nothing but peace, and never ordered the extermination of a single Jew."

Those things are all true. And most people today are much more in support of national-socialism (nazism) than they realize. They just have been taught to hate nazism because if it's called nazism it's bad (and it is, very bad), but simultaneously they've been brainwashed into supporting all the same ideals that nazism stood for. Even down to the racial eugenics. They simply replaced pro-white by anti-white, and the rest is all the same.

There used to be this saying about nazi germany: "papers, please". Because people were required to have authorization to travel, which most people in other countries found outrageous and completely tyrannical. Now everybody all over the world needs those, they're called pass-ports (meaning you get to pass through ports with them), and they didn't exist before nazism and communism came along.
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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2015, 08:37:32 pm »
Regarding the flat Earth theory, this is gaining more attention lately. I think it's a campaign to fool and then discredit gullible people who are aware that there's a lot of conspiracies out there, and are more willing to consider otherwise outlandish things.

Aliens from outer space are another example of these diversion tactics.

Don't fall for these. You'll be branded a lunatic and nobody will ever listen to anything serious you have to say in the future.

Asking questions is fine though. Research it if you find it interesting.
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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2015, 08:38:15 pm »
If the whole thing is a conspiracy, what's the advantage to the people who are part of it?

Look, people who see conspiracies everywhere are usually paranoid schizophrenics. I agree it's good to stay open...but this theory requires too many conspiracies to be believable by anyone other than someone suffering from pathological levels of paranoia. I'm sorry, dude. I think you need to consider the possibility that you have a mental illness.

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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2015, 09:59:58 pm »
I saw the first 5 minutes.

My first hobby was amateur astronomy.

I call bull shit. Because I did my own observations of the earth and solar system bodies.

Tip: Do your own observations, calculations and travel (airplanes and ships are abundant).

I will lock this thread because the arguments are wrong.

Let's move on....

Tyler, can we move this out of "hot topics"? Because this topic is not "hot" at all.
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Re: Earth's shape?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2015, 03:48:10 pm »
I originally switched this from the science forum to hot topics as the latter is where one puts controversial stuff that most of us disagree with.
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