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« Reply #1650 on: October 02, 2012, 01:45:18 am »
I'd like to same something quick about glutathione, which is that I don't see how taking it directly leads to higher levels in the body. It is a tri-peptide and just about all of it should in theory be chewed up into the individual amino acids in the stomach before being absorbed. Some might get absorbed but tri-peptides in general don't absorb well, usually individual AAs and some di-peptides are the bulk of absorbed protein. Glutathione is a great thing to have in the body but I don't see how taking preformed supplements necessarily leads to having more in a direct fashion.

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« Reply #1651 on: October 02, 2012, 05:36:02 am »
I'd like to same something quick about glutathione, which is that I don't see how taking it directly leads to higher levels in the body.
Quite right, it doesn't, which is why I considered warning Lex that one can't digest glutathione, only the precursors--cysteine, glutamic acid and glycine, but I decided not to flood Lex with info right off the bat, if he might not be interested. Since he does seem a bit interested, thanks for filling him in on it. If this were a general thread, I would have shared the info already.

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Glutathione is a great thing to have in the body but I don't see how taking preformed supplements necessarily leads to having more in a direct fashion.
The supplements that promote glutathione usually do not containe glutathione  (and I wouldn't buy one that does) for the very reason you gave. The most popular ones, including the one the guy said cured his cancer, tend to contain cysteine-rich whey protein and cofactors.

BTW, I would suggest that Lex or anyone else looking to the possibility of consuming cysteine-rich foods or supplements to also check out Ray Peat's advice to balance cysteine and tryptophan with glycine (one of the other glutathione precursors)--and I would add glutamic acid (the other precursor, plus probably selenium, all preferably from food sources, at least at first--though Lex has already moved beyond me on that count with the Lugol's  :D ) such as from animal skin and the whites of eggs. I think eggs and small critters are the only food sources that contain all three glutathione precursors, presumably naturally in balance, if the egg-laying fowl and other critters are healthy and being fed a relatively natural diet.

The fact that eggs contain all the precursors within them causes me to suspect that they would be superior glutathione boosters to whey protein powders, especially when the eggs are consumed raw and the powders are cooked (as they often are).
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« Reply #1652 on: October 02, 2012, 05:57:11 am »
Here's more info on the topic of glutathione and the prostate, most of which I looked up a while ago when a relative asked for advice re: high PSA levels. It's interesting that many of the foods that boost glutathione are foods that moderners avoid or don't eat much of. I didn't know about the iodine angle then, so that info has been helpful, though I did know about the reputed benefits of seafoods rich in selenium and iodine for glutathione levels and prostate issues, so it doesn't surprise me.

Glutathione from cysteine-rich whey protein lowers PSA and protects against prostate cancer:
> Bounous G. Whey protein concentrate (WPC) and glutathione modulation in cancer treatment. Anticancer Res 20: 4785-92,2000.
> Bounous G, Beer D. Anticancer Res. 2004 Mar-Apr;24(2B):553-4. Molecular pathogenesis and prevention of prostate cancer. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15160993?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&log$=citationsensor
> Kent, Harper, and Bomser; Effect of whey protein isolate on intracellular glutathione and
oxidant-induced cell death in human prostate epithelial cells, Toxicology In Vitro, February, 2003, 17(1):27-33, http://www.angelfire.com/art/MJPPortfolio/protient/wpi_prostate.pdf

Selenium glycinate supplementation increases blood glutathione peroxidase activities and decreases prostate-specific antigen readings in middle-aged US men. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21419321

You can't digest glutathione, but you can digest the precursors and cofactors. The precursors of glutathione include cysteine, glycine and glutamic acid. Selenium, B vitamins, vitamin E, magnesium and Zinc are important cofactors (http://www.glutathionediseasecure.com/glutathione-cofactors.html).

"Eggs contain cysteine, glycine and glutamic acid, all of which are the building blocks for [glutathione]." --Dane Miller, owner of "the world's first strength farm," Real and Raw Food Series #6: Eggs, http://www.garagestrength.com/?page_id=907&cpage=1


Some foods rich in L-Cysteine:

Animal sources (the most bioavailable):
Fresh unprocessed animal foods [which probably does not include pemmican, at least not old pemmican], especially raw egg yolks, raw meats, raw yogurt and raw whey cheese

Plant sources (sulfurous veggies):
Asparagus
Avocado
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Curcumin (Turmeric)
Garlic
Onions
Spinach
Tomatoes

The cysteine in egg yolks is most bioavailable raw:

"To Cook, or Not to Cook? The Benefits of Raw Egg Yolks

Many people believe that the health benefits of egg yolks are greater when the yolks are consumed raw. Heat destroys enzymes, reduces the amounts of certain nutrients, and may make the amino acid cysteine less available, which is needed to synthesize the master antioxidant of the cell, glutathione.

Those who eat raw egg yolks report easier digestion, increased stamina, and resistance to illness — not to mention a quicker snack if they're on-the-go."

(The Incredible, Edible Egg Yolk, July, 2005, by Chris Masterjohn, http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Egg_Yolk.html)

Some foods rich in glycine:

Gelatin (ex: Great Lakes kosher beef gelatin)
Skin of Pork (pigs feet and ears), Chicken (esp. feet), Turkey and Beef
Egg whites
Crustaceans: shrimp, crab
Whitefish
Seaweed
Mollusks: scallops
Seeds
Legumes

(Sources: http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000094000000000000000.html, http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/foods-high-in-vitamin.php?nutid=516, http://beeblefitness.com/diet/search/nutrient_search/516/glycine/, [PDF]
Optimum Condition of Extracting Collagen from Chicken Feet - http://www.ajas.info/Editor/manuscript/upload/14-246.pdf, Cooking with Bones - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cooking-with-bones/#axzz27xUhel84)

Some foods rich in glutamic acid:

Egg whites
Legumes
Chicken
Seeds
Whey cheese
Fish

(Sources: http://www.livestrong.com/article/261322-foods-high-in-glutamic-acid, http://beeblefitness.com/diet/search/nutrient_search/515/glutamic-acid/, http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/foods-high-in-vitamin.php?nutid=515)


Some of the research connecting cysteine-rich foods to cancer therapy:

A placebo controlled clinical trial the health benefits of an undenatured whey protein isolate in cancer patients:
Antiox. & Redox Signaling. 2008. Feb;10:395-402. PMID:18158761.
Cysteine-Rich Protein Reverses Weight Loss in Lung Cancer Patients Receiving Chemotherapy or Radiotherapy
Tozer RG, Tai P, Falconer W, Ducruet T, Karabadjian A, Bounous G, Molson JH, Dröge W.
“The patients treated with the cysteine-rich protein had a mean increase of 2.5% body weight, whereas casein-treated patients lost 2.6%”.

Anticancer Res. 2004 Mar-Apr;24(2B):553-4.
Molecular pathogenesis and prevention of prostate cancer.
Bounous G, Beer D.
Source
Research and Development Department, Immunotec Research Ltd., Vaudreuil-Dorion, Quebec, Canada. jmolson@immunotec.com
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15160993?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&log$=citationsensor

Abstract
Studies in laboratory animals indicate inhibition of chemically-induced carcinoma by cystine-rich diets enhancing the cysteine-GSH antioxidant system. The progression of carcinoma of the prostate is also inhibited by these diets, which were later found to raise the level of GSH in the prostate epithelium of man. New data presented at the July 13, 2003 meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research indicates that higher levels of total cysteine in plasma may predict a reduced risk for breast cancer. This prospective investigation was conducted among 32,000 women in the Nurses Health study. The previously reported prostate cancer data appears then not to be strictly gender-related as the antioxidant role of the cysteine-GSH system may also apply to breast cancer prevention.


SUCCESS STORIES:

Immunocal whey-cysteine supplement success story in curing prostate cancer and lowering PSA:
 
RE: Cancer, The day my life changed forever!
by Wolfmont on Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:00 AM
http://www.cancercompass.com/profile/Wolfmont?tab=user-messages
"It was very traumatic when my doctor told me I had a 50% chance of survival. That was the day my life changed forever! I started taking better care of myself, exercising, eating high alkaline foods, since cancer cannot thrive in a high alkaline environment and of course taking HMS90 [aka Immunocal, www.immunotec.com] along with my hormone treatment. As a caregiver I will assume you know a little about the immune system and of course Glutathione. But if you do not I would seriously make it a priority to find out what it's all about. Within 3 months of taking HMS90 my PSA had gone down from 128 to 2.7. Even my Doctor at the Royal Victoria Hospital was very surprised at such a quick recovery!"

Immunocal Reduced His PSA Readings for Prostate Cancer
http://www.immune-health-solutions-for-you.com/immunocal-reduced-his-psa-readings-for-prostate-cancer.html
"Can Immunocal help with reducing PSA readings in cases of prostate cancer?

Immunocal raises glutathione. Read how raising his glutathione helped a 68 year-old semi-retired doctor named Franklin here.

The following case study is taken from Dr. Jimmy Gutman's latest bestseller- "Glutathione - Your Key to Health", page 201:

"Franklin was a semi-retired general practitioner who at age 68 scored a PSA reading of over 8 micrograms/liter on a routine screening exam, suggesting a high possibility of prostate cancer. In continued tests, a urologist took a cystoscopic biopsy and confirmed the diagnosis. Four out of Franklin's six biopsy sites tested positive for high-grade tumor.

For personal and practical reasons, Franklin delayed aggressive treatment and opted to take 30 grams/day of a specially-prepared whey-protein isolate that raises glutathione levels.

Bimonthly PSA levels showed a gradual decline, his latest reading being 3.8 u/L. He is still being closely followed by his urologist, and his decision to undergo chemotherapy, radiotherapy, or surgery will be deferred unless his PSA levels rise again."

Franklin took a whey-protein isolate named Immunocal, which raised his glutathione, and reduced his PSA readings. You can learn more about Immunocal and all the ways to raise glutathione here.

You can learn more about glutathione and cancer research here. http://www.immune-health-solutions-for-you.com/cancer-research.html"


High Glutathione and Cysteine Levels also Prevent Hair Graying:

"I have mentioned often that I have less gray hair now than I had at the age of 40. I have attributed that to my intake of Ultrathione, the source of glutathione in Guardian [an anti-aging supplement]. ...

The evolutionary hypothesis relating melanogenesis and oxidation states that GSH [Glutathione sulfhydry] and cysteine levels must be high for the animal to afford the high cost of melanogenesis. Greying occurs when there are low levels of GSH and cysteine." (Art DeVany, The Free Radical Theory of Graying, http://artdevanyonline.com/1/post/2012/09/the-free-radical-theory-of-graying.html)
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« Reply #1653 on: October 02, 2012, 05:58:15 am »
So wouldn't the 15% solution be the best deal, or would it be too risky because an accidental overdose (not diluting enough) would be too easy?

Yes the 15% would probably be the best deal as it contains 3 times more iodine than the 5% for only double the price.  Lugol's is actually very easy to make in any strength you want.  All you have to do is find a good source for elemental iodine. This was not a problem a few years ago, but now the US Gov tightly controls the sale of iodine in any form that has a concentration of over 2% because it is apparently used in making some street drug or other.  They limit the sale to 1oz (30ml) or less to private parties.

The link you provided looks like a very good deal - especially the 15% - and if I can't get the real cheap price from the chemical supply house then I'll probably start ordering from your suggested source as it will save a good bit of money.

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« Reply #1654 on: October 02, 2012, 06:09:28 am »
...but now the US Gov tightly controls the sale of iodine in any form that has a concentration of over 2% because it is apparently used in making some street drug or other.
Ah yes, of course. I came across a mention of that, but ignored it, because I found I could still get both Lugol's and potassium iodide if I wanted them.

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The link you provided looks like a very good deal - especially the 15% - and if I can't get the real cheap price from the chemical supply house then I'll probably start ordering from your suggested source as it will save a good bit of money.
Oh dear, now it occurs to me that if you make multiple larger-than-avg orders in the future from a chemical supply house, that that might trigger red lights for the DEA. Might not be worth the hassle. Just a thought.

I briefly worked in an herbal/supplement store and the police used to check in now and then and ask the owner who was ordering one or two things that are popular with illicit drug makers.

I'm considering using highly concentrated Lugol's myself after reading that it's supposed to work on sebaceous cysts. I have an old one I'd like to get rid of without surgery if I can.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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« Reply #1655 on: October 02, 2012, 06:13:49 am »
Not sure where to go with the Immunocal/glutathione thing.  If I start taking Immunocal it will make the iodine test worthless, and if I were to continue with the iodine while taking Immunocal the iodine would make the Immunocal test worthless as well.  Just too many variables, and even if the results were good there would be no way to determine what protocol did what.

At this time I'm leaning towards continuing with the iodine protocol for at least 6 months and then possibly get an updated PSA test to see if there was any beneficial effect.  I'm also interested to see if there is any improvement in BPH symptoms from the iodine protocol alone.  If I see improvement then I may stick with the iodine protocol for a while and see where it leads.  If there is no improvement or things worsen, especially after 1 year, then Immunocal or something like it may be the next thing to try.

Thoughts?

Lex


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« Reply #1656 on: October 02, 2012, 06:15:28 am »
Not sure where to go with the Immunocal/glutathione thing.  If I start taking Immunocal it will make the iodine test worthless,
Yeah, that's what I figured. I was surprised you were interested at all. I was thinking of it more as something to consider trying in the future if the Lugol's doesn't work.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
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« Reply #1657 on: October 02, 2012, 06:26:18 am »
I was surprised you were interested at all.

When you are facing a condition that can easily turn into cancer, you tend to leave all options on the table.

For me, if cancer is ever diagnosed, if it appears to have been detected early and is well contained, then I'd probably opt for surgery but no chemo or radiation.  If it has clearly spread, then I'll bypass the surgery, put my affairs in order, and live the best I can for whatever time I have left.  It also depends on age.  If I'm in my mid 80s or older, I'll probably pass on the surgery regardless.  I've had several friends and family members that went the surgery route late in life and it wasn't pretty.  They often didn't heal well and their quality of life was poor at best.

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« Reply #1658 on: October 02, 2012, 06:39:49 am »
When you are facing a condition that can easily turn into cancer, you tend to leave all options on the table.
Good point!

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For me, if cancer is ever diagnosed, if it appears to have been detected early and is well contained, then I'd probably opt for surgery but no chemo or radiation. ...
Same here. We seem to be kindred spirits on a lot of stuff. The idea of spending my final days in a hospital, flooding my body with highly toxic crap, vomiting my guts out, losing what's left of my hair and withering away until I die, for some reason never appealed to me, even in my SAD days (easy to say when I don't have cancer, I know, but I've always been certain I would never do chemo, especially after the first time I saw a friend go through it--utter hell and a total waste). Everyone I know does chemo and refuses to try anything else first. They seem to be afraid to go against the advice of physicians. A massive error I made myself in the past. I've since learned that physicians are human like everyone else.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
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« Reply #1659 on: October 02, 2012, 09:25:25 am »
When you are facing a condition that can easily turn into cancer, you tend to leave all options on the table.

You almost certainly cannot get cancer.
You are doing what Otto Warburg recommended (http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2004/02/03/otto_warburg_cancer_and_oxygen.htm and http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Loxygen2.htm) and even if you didn't,
Lugol's causes apoptosis in cancer cells.

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« Reply #1660 on: October 02, 2012, 10:02:45 pm »
You almost certainly cannot get cancer.
You are doing what Otto Warburg recommended (http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2004/02/03/otto_warburg_cancer_and_oxygen.htm and http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Loxygen2.htm) and even if you didn't, Lugol's causes apoptosis in cancer cells.

I wish I had as much faith as you, but experience causes me to believe that nothing related to the health and wellbeing of the human body is for certain.   The best we can hope for is to find ways to tip the odds in our favor.

Lex
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« Reply #1661 on: October 02, 2012, 10:27:34 pm »
Day 3 and 4 of my Iodine protocol adventure have come and gone without much to report.  Still no detox symptoms.

Basal temp on day 3 was 97.4.  Today it was 97.1.  It does seem this temperature has risen from what I've measured at various times over the last few years which was normally in the low to mid 96.x range.  Interesting that at one time the health gurus had me convinced that a lower morning basal temperature was better.  I remember taking morning basal temperature when I was a vegetarian/vegan 20-30 years ago and was quite proud when it was in the low 95.x range.  I truly believed that this was a good thing.  Now I'm not so sure.  What I can say for sure is that I was cold all the time.  Glad to say that since going Paleo I've warmed up significantly.  We'll see what effect this new adventure has.

Up 4 times on night three and up 2 times last night (night four).  I seldom have nights where I only get up 2 times to pee, and when they do happen they are spaced a week or more appart.  To have two days close together like this is very rare for me these days.  I hope it signifies a trend in the right direction.  Time will tell.

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« Reply #1662 on: October 02, 2012, 11:40:23 pm »
Hmm, I'm sceptical of the iodine protocol, but then almost all my alternative and conventional medicine approaches failed miserably pre-RPD diet. Still, if it works, that's great.Have you tried herbal medicine yet or homeopathy for this prostate(?) problem?
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« Reply #1663 on: October 03, 2012, 01:17:14 am »
Hmm, I'm sceptical of the iodine protocol, but then almost all my alternative and conventional medicine approaches failed miserably pre-RPD diet. Still, if it works, that's great.Have you tried herbal medicine yet or homeopathy for this prostate(?) problem?

Hi Tyler,
I'm in the same camp as you are regarding alternative as well as most conventional medical interventions.  I've had no success at all with herbal or homeopathic remedies and I've tried several.  The Doxasozin (Alpha-Blocker) that I take does ease urination a bit, but it has no effect whatever on solving the core problem.  All it does is temporarily ease the symptoms.

My rising PSA has me seriously looking for a solution.  My doctor(s) say that this is just a normal part of male aging, but I'm not convinced.  I don't remember hearing much about enlarged prostate problems or prostate cancer in the 50s and 60s when I was growing up.  It was much like diabetes.  You occasionally heard about someone that suffered from the problem, but it was rare.  Now the medical profession is saying that 50% of men aged 45 now have symptoms of BPH and the general consensus is that every male, if they live long enough, will ultimately get prostate cancer, just as most people are expected to get Type II Diabetes.  It's now considered part of "normal" aging.

Just simple observation tends to make me believe something has changed in the last 50 years to make these problems so much more prevalent.  Diet seems to be a likely culprit so I changed my diet.  This helped a host of problems but, unfortunately, didn't solve the BPH/PSA problem.  There is now some evidence that iodine deficiency can be at the root of several aging problems.  Not that having sufficient iodine will let you live forever, but that iodine deficiency could be the source of some of these "quality of life" issues like BPH.

In reading information on the various blogs and news groups, it could be that iodine itself is not the problem, but some of the chemicals like other halides such as bromide have found their way into our modern daily lives in huge and unnatural proportions.  These chemicals supposedly displace iodine and disrupt normal cellular function especially in the thyroid, female breast tissue, ovaries, prostate, and testes causing swelling, fibroid, and other abnormal conditions as well as leading ultimately to cancer - at least that is the theory.

There is some evidence that if enough iodine is taken it will overwhelm and displace the other halides and the body will begin to repair the abnormal conditions they caused.  There is some research but most of what is available is anecdotal evidence.  Since I have one of the conditions that is supposedly caused by this bromide/halide problem, it seems reasonable to give the iodine protocol a try to see if there is any benefit.  All other interventions that I've tried, both homeopathic and medical have not worked and there seems little to lose in trying the iodine protocol. 

This also seemed like ripe fodder for my journal as I have several years of labs clearly showing the continual rise in PSA.  If the iodine protocol actually works, then this number should stop its advance and either hold steady or start to drop.  I think this is more useful than just the anecdotal evidence that is found on most blogs and news groups.

Lex

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« Reply #1664 on: October 03, 2012, 01:30:07 am »
In slogging through the Iodine thread on Mark's Daily Apple Forum I ran across another minor condition that is supposedly caused by excess bromide and too little iodine - Cherry Angiomas.  These are small mole like spots that are bright red.  Most are about the size of the head of a pin or a little larger, but never much larger than about 3mm or so.  Some are flat and others are more three dimensional.  They seem to be caused by broken capillaries near the surface of the skin and, again, are considered a "normal" part of aging.

I have several of these small wonders on my chest, and there is now a theory that these will also go away over time through mega-doses of iodine supplementation.

Not an earth shattering condition, but I thought I'd add it to the list of things I'll be watching as I forge ahead with the iodine protocol.

Take a look at the Iodine thread on Mark's Daily Apple.  I think you'll find it interesting at the very least.  Here's the link:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread45205.html

Lex 

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« Reply #1665 on: October 03, 2012, 01:36:15 am »
Well, if this works, that's fine. I hope that my own occasional intake of raw iodine-rich seafood will avoid this iodine-protocol issue, in a few decades. Sadly, I don't live too close to the coast, most of the time, these days.

I may come up with a few more suggestions later, if this doesn't work. In the meantime, I am most curious to see if this will work over the next few months/years.
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« Reply #1666 on: October 03, 2012, 07:36:21 am »
I don't know if I have mentioned this to you but my teacher makes his own TREE IODINE supplements.  This iodine is herbal / organic / wild crafted instead of CHEMICAL.  Iodine from trees instead of the ocean.

We stock some at home.  And he is very much aware about the iodine deficiencies epidemic.

See http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com ask him about it.  Ask him about his iodine book.
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Re: Lex's Journal
« Reply #1667 on: October 03, 2012, 08:41:43 am »
There's some natural treatments for cancer.

Its my understanding that vitamin b17, a nutrient in apricot seeds cures cancer.

I'm sure there's other natural treatments too.
Disclaimer: I was told I was misdiagnosed over 10 years ago, and I haven't taken any medication in over a decade.

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Re: Lex's Journal
« Reply #1668 on: October 03, 2012, 08:49:18 pm »
good luck with your iodine protocol, lex!

i've started taking iodine (lugol's) about a year ago, taking 50mg/day in 3-4 doses for three months and then 12.5-25mg/day up till now. what you can expect early on are the detox symptoms from bromide (skin rashes, possibly nausea, weakness). i don't know what symptoms fluoride detoxification may cause, didn't experience any myself, but something you will definitely notice after a few days (pretty much everyone does) is increased energy, lifting of brain fog (if there is any to lift) and increased body temperature due to normalized thyroid function. since all glands require iodine to function properly and will cause various problems if iodine/iodide is missing and replaced by toxic halides i'm 99% convinced that any prostate issues you might have will be resolved with the iodine protocol. what helped me personally to accelerate the detoxification was upping my otherwise low (himalaya) salt intake to about 10-15g per day during the first few weeks so the chloride could replace the heavier halides fluoride and bromide which then got excreted faster. the chloride in non-toxic in these doses and can more easily replace bromide and fluoride than iodine itself so it helps in the beginning. eventually the body uses the chloride otherwise and iodine/iodide gets to the free receptors where it belongs.

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Re: Lex's Journal
« Reply #1669 on: October 04, 2012, 12:04:04 am »
2.   In the research info there was some good indication that once the body has absorbed as much iodine as it can, it will discard the excess through the kidneys and urinary tract.
Is it really safe to eat as much iodine from foods and supps as we want?

Here in Germany we have a huge debate about iodine enrichments and possible toxic side effects. You can find a lot of warnings against iodine overdosing. Even natural products like sea algaes must be labeled with big warning signs, prescribed by law. Some mineral supplements with iodine contents for cows that have been used for many years by beef stock farmers are now forbidden. Many scientist believe that too much iodine causes many severe health problems.

Iodine from natural sources is very different from artificial iodine that is used in supplements. Iodine in foods like fish is usually bound to sodium. But in supplements for humans and livestock feed they use potassium iodine which is much more reactive and potentially harmful.

Many websites, books and hundreds of articles are available about the so called iodine scam. Here is one example:

www.krank-durch-jod.ch

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Re: Lex's Journal
« Reply #1670 on: October 04, 2012, 12:28:20 am »
DaBoss - there are literally HUNDREDS of extremely effective natural cures for cancer. I spent about 5 years researching and experimenting with them full time and the apricot kernels is not the one I would choose for several reasons. There are much better alternatives.

After my experiences treating cancer I now fear the flu more than cancer.... and I'm not afraid of the flu - can't remember the last time I got it. ;)

With your diet Lex you have little to fear when it comes to cancer. A ketogenic diet literally starves out cancer cells. Cancer cells necessitate large amounts of sugar to grow into tumors. 

I am watching your experiment closely Lex because my husband also has an enlarged prostate. Just throwing something out to you in the mix just in case your iodine experiment doesn't get you the full result that you want: my husband used to get up at least 3 times a night to urinate. We started incline bed therapy (doesn't cost a penny and is extremely easy and is at the least harmless). Since then his night time visits have been steadily decreasing. He only gets up once a night now. There is scientific reasoning for the therapy to work that I won't get into here - there is a thread on the subject on the board. I think of inclining the bed as a way to try to re-enact more natural sleeping. In paleo times people didn't get a level out and make sure that their homes and beds were perfectly level to sleep on. We just found the flattest place we could which would in most times still have been on at least a little bit of an angle. Putting a body at exact level to sleep on is unnatural and shuts down kidney function at night - which can create or add to all sorts of problems - prostate problems being one of them.

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Re: Lex's Journal
« Reply #1671 on: October 04, 2012, 12:31:35 am »
You almost certainly cannot get cancer.
You are doing what Otto Warburg recommended

Cancer has many causes. Sugar is only one parameter, an important one, though.

Don't forget that Stanley Owsley aka 'The Bear' - a long-term zero carber - got cancer and heart disease. He believed that his cancer was caused by a viral infection, if I remember correctly.

BTW: The Bear avoided organ meats and plant food. I guess that he was extremely deficient in folates..

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« Reply #1672 on: October 04, 2012, 01:09:08 am »
I never heard of The Bear. I'm afraid that I can't speak to his case.

I didn't say sugar was the "cause" just that cancer cells can't survive without enough "food" -- a ketogenic diet is a cancer prevention and cure diet. If by a LONG SHOT Lex got cancer - it's pretty easy to treat naturally by adding other cancer cell killing foods and therapies. For most people the hardest part of treating their cancer is stopping feeding the cancers like crazy like they do in standard diets. Diet is not always enough on it's own, but it is the foundation to prevention and what other therapies need to be added to. Most natural therapies are added upon a "cancer diet" - like Lex's.   

My point is that it is unlikely that with Lex's diet he will get cancer in the first place because diet is one of the most common causes. If he did  get cancer though he would already have one of the hardest parts of naturally cancer treatment for most people down pat. He would only perhaps need to make small changes to his diet - expanding it - instead of restricting it - which often cancer patients find almost impossible to do for themselves even when faced with death. I can't even imagine that Lex would ever die of cancer if he were open to even a fraction of what I had to offer him as ideas for natural means of treatment. 

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« Reply #1673 on: October 04, 2012, 01:20:09 pm »
I don't know if I have mentioned this to you but my teacher makes his own TREE IODINE supplements.  This iodine is herbal / organic / wild crafted instead of CHEMICAL.  Iodine from trees instead of the ocean.

We stock some at home.  And he is very much aware about the iodine deficiencies epidemic.

See http://www.barefootherbalistmh.com ask him about it.  Ask him about his iodine book.

GS, I'll look into this but from what I've read, if I have a deficiency that is severe enough to cause things like BPH, Fibroids, and other bad things, then none of the forms available from plant/animal sources in their natural state would be concentrated enough to do any good.  Many others have tried this approach and failed.  It seems that once most of your tissues are iodine sufficient then you may be able to sustain that condition from natural sources, but you just can't make up the huge deficit fast enough from these sources.  Remember, I'm taking 50milligrams/day and at that rate it could take up to a year to restore iodine levels.  Natural dietary sources are in micrograms which is 1,000 times less.  According to what I've read in the blogs and news groups, people taking less than 12mg/day seldom achieve success.

The protocol I'm trying is the one that most people have been successful with.  I will stick with that for at least 6 months and then re-evaluate based on symptoms and an updated PSA test.

Lex

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« Reply #1674 on: October 04, 2012, 01:34:12 pm »
Dorothy, Löwenherz, Bio-shell Avatar, DaBoss88

Thanks for the ideas and concerns. Good food for thought.  There will always be debate on just about any subject.  The best I can do is research the subject, evaluate the trade-offs, and then make a decision.  At this point I'm thinking that iodine is far safer and will do much less damage than just about anything the medical profession has to offer.  I'm willing to take the risk and accept the consequences (good or bad) of my decisions.

Lex 
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