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here's her claims:

Gr8stuffis
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Hi,

I don't consider myself lucky to be doing well on a raw vegan diet..
I feel blessed that I know about it and know how to do it..
and anytime I have deviated, i had to return to it to correct the symptoms that developed because I wasn't doing it.

I personally know thousands of people doing well being raw vegans for as many years as i have been which is more than 30.

Unless i was with you each step of the way, when you were on it.. i can't venture a guess as to why it was such a failure for you.. except that there are people whose body types are protein eaters..and they do seem to do well on concentrated protein, meats, even dairy, even if cooked, but not as well as they do on raw.

From my experience ( worked at almost all the raw vegan institutes in the country, had my own place for people in the entertainment industry, studied and observed as a health professional at the Gerson Institute in Tiajuana, and was being groomed to be a key player in the Price Pottinger Nutrition Foundation.. turned the health around of my family and friends... and am an R.N. that graduated first in my class, many years ago.) i have seen few people who are protein types..
but from what i understand there are some

It is going to get harder and harder for protein types to stay healhty due to an organized effort to get people sick.. and a drive to make sure that there is no accurate and truthful labeling to verify souces.
There is a little commercial food sources that you can trust 100% anymore.

Therefore, it is more likely that protein flesh eaters are going to be contaiminated with GMO on a greater scale than those who eat higher on the food chain...
If you read Bruce Lipton's Biology of Belief, he states on Pg 14 that GMO will change the DNA stucture of the bacteria in the bowel and will change their abilit to digest and assimilate your bowel contents... this is not a good thing.

But even we, raw vegans are under attack, and i am dreading what is going to be happening, if the codex alimenatarius goes through as planned.

In any case.. im really really happy that you have found what works for you...

But can tell you from first hand experience and experimentation.. that there are great numbers of people who have been taught well, and are flourishing on a raw vegan diet... IF they eat to fuel their bodies.. more than please their palettes and they have been mentored correctly.

Always here to discuss this, if you want.

Be well,

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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 11:38:49 am »
According to this guy's claim, he has Gr8stuffis beat--he says he's been eating raw for 40 years and found that he couldn't do it unless he included some raw animal foods:

Eating a raw diet for 40 years, no longer vegan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9GpXwfXwMs

Can Gr8stuffis fulfill Paul Nison's request he made in the video below?

   "Will somebody please show me a raw food vegan who is 91 years old and looks as good as Dr. Bass, [or] even looks bad, there's no raw vegans that have been living that long, ever, to my knowledge. So if somebody knows any, let me know." --Paul Nison, November 24, 2009
From: Is a raw vegan diet healthy? Reply to Dr. Bass , http://www.youtube.com/user/thedurianking#p/u/6/6-r2_l0vFMA
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
Beware of problems from chronic Very Low Carb

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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 12:53:22 pm »
here's her claims:

and was being groomed to be a key player in the Price Pottinger Nutrition Foundation..

Bullshit.  It doesn't get any LESS vegan than the PPNF.  Period.  Night and day. That person is a giant liar.  There's NO WAY  a vegan would be accepted there, man.

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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 05:53:14 pm »
Topics about people promoting raw veganism  should really be placed in hot topics. I'll do that now.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2009, 12:48:44 am »
her 2nd letter to me,
Hi Yes, I have heard of this

as for the cold.. well if you live in the cold your circulatory system and fat deposits definitely need to be in balance.. and fat can be a great insulator...

interestingly enough i do remember when i first started the raw vegan diet, living in New York, and going to the institute up in Boston, I did suffer from the cold the first year or two.

However, i am not sure when that changed.. but eventually it did.. and i could really enjoy the outdoor cold weather, skiiing, walking, whatever.
I can't give you the physiological reason for the change and can't remember exactly when it happened.

as for my bone strength..

i had been raised in a canday store from birth... and had mulitple caveties in each tooth.
when i was in my early twenties I was in a bad car accident that claimed an ankle and my front teeth
Because I didn't have good teeth to start with, i had all the top removed and went with a plate...

I also needed bridges on the bottom both sides... ( this all happened BEFORE i became raw )

in 1990 i came here to florida to do a seventh month stay at the institute, and at that time i had a LOT of money, and went to have my teeth done over by a local dentist who was reported to do really good cosmetic work. I didn't need to get them done over, as i had never even needed them relined ... i just wanted to look more like a movie star LOL

When he took the usual xrays, he came back into the office and said something happened and he had to take them again...
So he did.

Then he came back and proceeded to tell me and show me that he took them over, because the first ones showed that there were teeth forming under my gums...
But the second set showed the same.

From then on, they called me the 'shark lady ' lol

He said, in all his practice, he had never seen that.

I said, in all of your practice, you never had a raw vegan come to you, i bet...

He gave me one of those sets of pictures.. i do remember seeing them during many of my moves.. I am not sure where they are now, or if i still have them...
but i should find them and do something to make this more well known, now that i am a senior.
In the old days, i would have been too embarrassed for people to even know i had false teeth LOL

I do know that most raw vegans tend not to eat enough protein or fail to do what helps it to be assimilated.

i start my day every day with a bowl of a yogurt ferment and all kinds of berries.
I used to make out of almonds, until they screwed us out of good almonds...
but now i make it with macademia... costly, but a lot easier than peeling almonds

I also make really good carob mouse or pudding out of nuts, and also ice cream. ( using stevia and organic non alcohol spices .. and i usually have some of that in spoonfuls through out my day...when i feel some hunger.

I also make things like walnut-pecan meat balls that taste like real meatballs and have psyllium in them to help move through the bowel... and things like walnut pecan pate, that tastes just like chopped liver, or like turky stuffing, depending on what i put in it...
or i might have made a raw spinach quiche or even a raw apple pie ( lots of anti inflammatory cinnamon in it ) with walnut pecan crust... ir a raw carrot cake with nut icing and chopped walnuts throughout ( both made with psyllium) or i will have a bunch of nori rolls made for a few days, that have nut and seed butters in them. and this is where i put LOTS of sprouts ( mung, aduki, pea, fenugreek, green and red lentil is my stock mix ) .. etc etc etc..

so, If i have a green juice, which i usually drink one to two quarts during the day... i usually take a few bites of one of these items, with 8 ounces of geen juice.. and i snack like this all day...

i add to this one to two very large green salads with lots of good stuff in them of lunch and dinner

and one blended green soup with probiotics, seaweed, green powder etc in it..

seems to work for hubby and me , we both are seniors now...both look younger, feel younger, and can do things that younger people do... especially when you compare us to our neighbors ( i live in a senior village )

as for friends who eat wrong for their type, i can only offer you this on the other side of the coin...

i lived with a lady who inherited the position of running the Price Pottinger Nutrition Foundation from her husband who had a stroke and died..

we got along famously... until i had come back from a consult i did in London, that kept me away for almost a year...

when i got back, she was so convinced by this guy ajinous? sp?
that she had to really bulk up on raw meat and fats etc..

that that is what she did...

she was wealthy and had all her meat, raw butter, flown in from new zeland...
and had her own chickens... as well as had a sister that had goats and provided raw goat milk

plus this was san diego.. and you could always buy raw millk in the stores...

well my hubby and i were both staying with her, on that return leg of my journey
she was trying to get him to eat meat.. and i was humbling asking her to stop it
she kept telling me raw vegans went mad... LOL...

meanwhile.. hubby and i were walking up and down the hills and mountains of san diego.. and she would never come

she had constant migranes.. and bloating in her abd.. and constipation on and off etc etc etc...

we had a falling out over a visit from Bernard Jesen's son, when I told him the reason that butter probably helped the natives, is that it came from GRASS FED animals and the grass had acidphilus on it... anyhow.. we finally had strong words over the fact that i was NOT going to become a meat eater in her house.. and i left, never to see her again....

however a mutual friend wrote me last year, that this woman had had a stroke...

All this to say... check the mercola site out, he stresses nutrional typing...

I have never run across a protein type in my practice.. but i don't take you for a liar and i do believe what you have told me.. and it certainly fits with the nutritional typing theory..

I am wondering if it is genetics, missing enzymes ( on either part, vegans or meat eaters ) ? hormones balance? or something similar that accounts for this?

I am from Russian ( Polish )... and French-Spanish ( from Spain ) descent..

what nationality are you?

I do have a friend from Romania that eats meat and a lot of raw food...
but then again she is in BP meds..
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 12:50:20 am »
her 3rd letter,
Health is a physical, mental, emotional and spiritual journey

for those who have reached a certain stage in their spiritual devolopment..
being a raw vegan suits them perfectly, it's actually mandatory...

they can actually feel the fear of the animals that they eat, as they aren't used to these fear chemicals in their bodies, unless they take a few bites of meat that has been slaughtered.

i have seen quite the opposit as you.. and i have been involved on a clinical basis of witnessing thousands of people on the diet...

i have no idea the circle of people you are referring to... but i have lived in just about every part of this country, worked at hospitals and raw vegan institutes in every sector... had my own place.. and been a student and observer of many other programs...

i have not found the same results that you have interestingly enough

and as for THAT LADY who you refer to as educationally impoverished... she is the head of one of the most prestigious nutritional organizations the the world... the Price Pottinger Nutrition Foundation is quite visible to most people who know anything in the Health and Wellness Field.

i go to the bathroom every morning of an effortless two to three foot elimination, no odor... fluffy, floating... -. so does my husband... then during the day some more here and there, depending on what and how we are eating... and so does anyone i put on that diet...
'just a few bites of meat can bring on odor and constipation.

you build up a resident bowel flora based on what you eat.. and changes can affect that for a very long time, until you establish a flora in line with whatever diet you are moving towards...

and yes... i know for a fact that there are people eating a regular junk food diet that make it well into their nineties with no problems at all... i know some personally and professionally, as an R.N.

i think that the diet you do is rather time consuming and perfectionistic, almost speaks of someone who is O.C.D. ... but i would never tell you not to do it, or that you will die a horrible early death or go crazy from it LOL

This is the same kind of rigid attitude that that meat eating lady had, and look where she is today? her organization has to be run by other people, as she can hardly fuction...

i told you, what works for you is fine... but not everyone is at the same spiritual level, or has the same enzyme systems, or needs, in place as you...

as for going mad.. yes.. anyone who is not able to free themselves of old thoughts, patterns etc.. can certainly feel the pressure of their resistence...

you also might not recognize the fact that as you reach a certain spirtual level... you actually move more towards spirit, than physical mother earth type reality...

one day you might realize that holding on to this earthly existence, is not quite the ideal, that you are thinking it is, at the level of spiritual lessons you need as a human being.

Perhaps if you open yourself to the idea that we are Spiritual Beings having a human experience. not the other way around..

. and we are not really solid at all.. but just free form energy slowed down to certain frequencies and so are in certain configurations that are picked up by our receptors as physical entities.. it might help you to understand what i am saying.

i am starting to see a pattern here, that you might want to look at yourself.

I don't know your age.. but it seems to be younger, as you have a child the age you are describing.... you certainly need to be earthbound for awhile.. as you raise this child...

I think your diet and your attention to it is way overkill, too demanding of your time and attention... and speaks of someone extremely perfectionistic and rigid....( this is not a good balance )
i wonder if you actually have time to balance your life in other ways? fun sports, exercise, doing fun things... laughing, joking, loving, creating ?

Just how healthy are you mentally? emotionally? spiritually?

these all need to be in balance and your diet needs to be balanced to these...

You speak of a child, but no mention of a husband or wife? Only you know the karmic reasons for this.

Under ordinary circumstances I would never say all this to you...

however, i do think, at this point, that it is good feedback to tell you this, because i can see how it might be affecting you to not 'let go' of this idea and perhaps 'need' to make sure to tel me that your way is right, and no one else's is right for them....

i don't consider myelf lucky to be alive AS a raw vegan.. i feel i am blessed to have been shown a system that not only works for me, but countless others...
and i have enough exposure to be able to say that based on many observations...

trust me, i am a scientist at heart... was in college by the age of 16 pre med, even though i started school a year later than i was supposed to

was able to graduate early, due to my being pushed into accelelerated science and math classes..
graduated 1st in my class from nursing school]
was asked by the dean of graduate studies at the request of my science professors in college to become a research scientist...( one of whom had been a member of the think tank in Washinton, D.C.

all this to say... that i do have the ablity to observe as a scientist... and i still feel stronly about what i do...

i have the ability, and vast experience over 30+ years after witnessing many people, and my own personal and professional experimentation to come up with my own conclusions..

not just a circle of people i happen to know...

That you insist on telling me that i am delusional.. coupled with your extreme focus on diet as the path to heath? ( actually path to ' what?" , i am not quite sure of at this point ) , i think speaks more about your own state of mind, right now, than your prediction of my 'future' state of mind...

I really do wish you well... Namaste
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 12:54:06 am »
another latter from her,

well obviously different strokes for different folks... perfect strangers tell me how beautiful the skin and color in my face is... as they do so they put their hands up to their faces to illustrate...
this happens all the time...

ah... yes

i forgot.. that is a clue

when i am raw vegan.. not one bite of cooked, or animal..

i get very psychic... and see things differently

it is like being in the garden of eden... the peace, the joy, the love... and colors get more intense and things take on a life that they didn't seem to have, when i eat cooked or meats etc

i think it might be a spiritual thing.... if you were meant to vibrate at a certain frequency.. then being a raw vegan is correct for you

if you are born to vibrate at a more 'physical reality' frequency... than eating that way would make you feel more comfortable and more in balance.
It might take more incarnations to move up in where your frequency should be...

I am beginning to find it interesting.. that you take such time and effort to convince me that you way is right and mine is wrong,
If you notice I keep saying my way is right for me... and it is very possible that your way is right for you.

I think there is a message in that interaction, that i allow you to be you, but for some reason you find it hard to allow me and all of my friends and clients to be us...

You might want to take that as a symptom you have not paid attention to...

by the way

ann wigmore and i were friends.. she had asked me to be the nurse at her place in Rincon Puerto Rico
I am also friends with viktoras and brian and ann marie

we all seem to be doing fine.. well except for ann, who died in a fire

Be well

I mean that... >
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 01:51:13 am »
    Old people get very invested in whatever they have been doing.  If you are thinking you can get her to do better, she may not be interested no matter how right you are.  I know.  Basically my youngest cousins were older in chronological age than me than your mother is in years older than you.  I've been around old people a long time with very few that were young while I was growing up. 

    This woman who keeps writing you the letters, raw vegan is her way, until she dies of protein starvation, too much fiber or whatever.  It is her karma.  It looks to me from what she writes like you might be trying to take her karma onto you.  Are you?  If so, maybe ask yourself why. 

    Maybe find women in the park with children for your son to play with.  I know it's a problem when they have candy and junk food all the time, but there must be more fun things to do.

    Does this woman who's writing you have children herself?  Did she bear them with her body?  Pardon me if I missed and you said. 
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 02:57:58 am »
    Old people get very invested in whatever they have been doing.  If you are thinking you can get her to do better, she may not be interested no matter how right you are.  I know.  Basically my youngest cousins were older in chronological age than me than your mother is in years older than you.  I've been around old people a long time with very few that were young while I was growing up. 

    This woman who keeps writing you the letters, raw vegan is her way, until she dies of protein starvation, too much fiber or whatever.  It is her karma.  It looks to me from what she writes like you might be trying to take her karma onto you.  Are you?  If so, maybe ask yourself why. 

    Maybe find women in the park with children for your son to play with.  I know it's a problem when they have candy and junk food all the time, but there must be more fun things to do.

    Does this woman who's writing you have children herself?  Did she bear them with her body?  Pardon me if I missed and you said. 
to dear rawzi/ you're absolutely right and i really don't know about karma that much and just being so sensitive on this kind of wrongness of being raw vegan. because i've found that, this women 's also promoting in you tube and lots of other young population into her chain to be a raw vegan. it's just painful to see that. in  other letter, she also mentioned the woman (she mentioned that woman was extremely rich and she also had all kind of access to get any animal meats) she knew and spend a significant time with her who choose the raw meat diet and died in heart attack. the last answer i write to her that " there's no way, in my right mind, i can convince someone to be a raw vegan which is just nonsense to me".
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 03:38:01 am »
it's just painful to see that. in  other letter, she also mentioned the woman (she mentioned that woman was extremely rich and she also had all kind of access to get any animal meats) she knew and spend a significant time with her who choose the raw meat diet and died in heart attack.

    No one, no matter the diet lives forever, that any human knows of.  Everyone passes from something.  That's sad that someone died, but it was very likely going to happen when she was younger instead, had she been vegan.  I too want what's best for each and every person in the world.  We are in human form.  We cannot spread each of ourselves so thin.  The healthiest thing for everyone is to help their own personal children, their own selves, their own spouse, their neighbors or people that are in their life but we cannot control the world.  Not really.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 05:08:33 am »
Price Pottenger people may not be a fair example and does not represent this forum because they probably eat too much cooked meat and eat too much dairy regularly.

Technically, the senior woman writing you is NOT purely raw vegan.
Every morning she has YOGURT, and that is a milk product of either goat, sheep or cow.

And I have the same observation as hers that reproduction requires more protein.

Thus old people and non reproducing people think raw veganism or reduced meat consumption is okay.  
 
I foresee for myself adjusting my diet to suit my age as I get older.  Although I'm looking at the legendary healthy tribe where the men look the same between the ages of 20 and 80.  Reproductive / sexy he-man at 80, sounds good.

I would gladly trade 10 years off of a 130 year lifespan to be reproductive until 100.  ;)  Let's keep that meat coming... pleas pass me the bull's balls.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 05:30:35 am »
"Technically, the senior woman writing you is NOT purely raw vegan.
Every morning she has YOGURT, and that is a milk product of either goat, sheep or cow"

To GoodSamaritan/ i was raw vegan in sometimes in my life and i know how to make yogurt by plant food. that's the thing i used to do everyday and still i do now. the differences are, that time i used to use young coconut meat to make yogurt or kefir, and now i do with raw goat milk. THAT RAW VEGAN LADY makes her yogurt from macademian nuts.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2009, 05:50:42 am »
That's very informative, maybe she can absorb enough bacteria and protein from that kind of yoghurt and the rest of her raw vegan regimen.

That's a fun thing to experiment with.

How do you make macadamia nut yoghurt?  Please add how to make young coconut kefir / yogurt? (coconuts we have lots and lots and lots of this)
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2009, 06:06:26 am »
i was raw vegan in sometimes in my life and i know how to make yogurt by plant food. that's the thing i used to do everyday and still i do now.... THAT RAW VEGAN LADY makes her yogurt from macademian nuts.

    http://www.coopersnuthouse.com/maclib/Gathering%20Harvesting%20and%20Home%20Processing.html

    Macadamias are a poor choice.  They are expensive, rare, usually have to be shipped, and although the company link I posted is pretty good, macadamias are usually heated over 118degreesF during processing (to deshell them etc) so technically are not raw. 

    She should use almonds or something else that ferments better.  Then again she would have to take the thin dark brown peel off each almond after soaking by hand, and knowing she prefers macadamia I then venture to guess she would do what most raw vegans who make nut yogurt do.  She would blanch the cracked soaked almonds in boiling water then call them raw, to make her yogurt. 

    She does this every day?  And chooses macadamia?  Probably just a lot of extra money at her disposal.  Some vegans who come from super rich (monetarily) meat eater backgrounds seem to do well for a while.  Hormones like testosterone and others can improve while someone is psychic vampiring all the energy out of many people around them.  Some people who choose not to have children are truly loving of humankind.  May I guess whether she's a mom?  Vegans can feed off an air of superiority mistaken thinking they are doing what's best for the whole Earth, but I understand that feeding off this is not truly good for their spirit when the maker calls.

    Imagine, someone like this, maybe they were born to live eight hundred years like a Biblical figure on meat like most of them did all the time, and then unconscious or consciously choose to only live to eighty or so through deficient diet of veganism, just to tell everyone they made superior spiritual choices.

    Let them be.  I would hope they'd let us be.  I see it as yin and yang.  No one is good at essence.  No one is bad at essence.  Some have dense bodies and concentrated life so they seek spirit or lots of light food.  Some have spiritual light bodies, so these seek grounding or just enough nutrient dense food.  We're just two sides of the exact same piece of paper, and would do best to be together in harmony.  Is that possible?

    I made all kinds of yogurt plenty of times.  High meats are better, IMHO.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2009, 06:52:21 am »
That's very informative, maybe she can absorb enough bacteria and protein from that kind of yoghurt and the rest of her raw vegan regimen.

That's a fun thing to experiment with.

How do you make macadamia nut yoghurt?  Please add how to make young coconut kefir / yogurt? (coconuts we have lots and lots and lots of this)

it's extremely good for health and i remember also one lady claims that she cures her son's autism by feeding fermented coconut cream. i usually take the young meat of coconut and blend that with little coconut water or no water (depends on you how much texture you like) and put some fermented coconut water in it and wait couple of hrs putting them in warm place, and that's it. i add kefir grain to the young coconut water and i make coconut water kefir. it is so delicious!!
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2009, 07:23:07 am »
All I have to say on this subject is I strongly recommend against conversion projects. Most people have to have their hearts broken or faces punched in or ears screamed off or some combination of those things to finally give it up though.

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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2009, 09:18:10 am »
All I have to say on this subject is I strongly recommend against conversion projects. Most people have to have their hearts broken or faces punched in or ears screamed off or some combination of those things to finally give it up though.

    I agree.  I had to become incapacitated beyond belief before I would touch an animal product, or consider whether it might be even worthy of reading or thinking about.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2009, 10:07:54 am »

"another latter from her,



when i am raw vegan.. not one bite of cooked, or animal..

i get very psychic... and see things differently

it is like being in the garden of eden... the peace, the joy, the love... and colors get more intense and things take on a life that they didn't seem to have, when i eat cooked or meats etc"





That says that she isn't really a long-time all-raw all-vegan.  It's probably the animal products that she eats when she cheats that allow her to survive.  The difference between someone like her and me is that I have the willpower and focus and drive to really eat raw vegan, etc., or whatever diet I choose.  People without  my level of focus learn more slowly, for obvious reasons.

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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 01:13:48 pm »
That says that she isn't really a long-time all-raw all-vegan.  It's probably the animal products that she eats when she cheats that allow her to survive.  The difference between someone like her and me is that I have the willpower and focus and drive to really eat raw vegan, etc., or whatever diet I choose.  People without  my level of focus learn more slowly, for obvious reasons.

    I second your sentiment ck.  I too wondered about that part of her letter.  There are so many vegans who do things differently than I did.  I knew from the start that for food to be vegan yadyada yada...  So many vegans are space cadets.  They ask me "if there is only 2% such and such, it's vegan, right?", or I visit them and they're about to make a processed egg-burger for themself, and I ask, and the respond "first time I bought the wrong thing, company must have changed recipe", etc.  Most of them proclaim veganism, but never are vegan except one day here and there or some such.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2009, 05:12:36 pm »
Im not a vegan but ive met plenty of sick ones and plenty of healthy ones. i think it depends on your karmic balance. people in past lives may have had more of a plutonic relationship with animals and hence they have served their purpose and spiritually no longer need to cause pain to sentient beings.

those people that need to consume flesh foods are in the second stage parasymbolic relationship with their kundalini rising potential. the flesh foods help stabalize this relationship and may provide grounding effect. some people find the animal adrenaline to stimulating for the adrenals and feel fatigued longterm.

everybody is different and everybody changes..i ate 7 praying mantis's tonight. head first and chewed 7 times for numerology benefits.

i alternate my insect protein for maximal amino acid profiles when i just find flesh foods to heavy to digest and i feel bloated from it.

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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2009, 08:34:02 pm »
Im not a vegan but ive met plenty of sick ones and plenty of healthy ones. i think it depends on your karmic balance. people in past lives may have had more of a plutonic relationship with animals and hence they have served their purpose and spiritually no longer need to cause pain to sentient beings.

those people that need to consume flesh foods are in the second stage parasymbolic relationship with their kundalini rising potential. the flesh foods help stabalize this relationship and may provide grounding effect. some people find the animal adrenaline to stimulating for the adrenals and feel fatigued longterm.

everybody is different and everybody changes..i ate 7 praying mantis's tonight. head first and chewed 7 times for numerology benefits.

i alternate my insect protein for maximal amino acid profiles when i just find flesh foods to heavy to digest and i feel bloated from it.

You're either an amazing troll or pretty out there. Either way, thanks for the laugh.

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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2009, 12:53:28 am »
Okay, eskimo joe... whatever floats your boat.  -\

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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2009, 06:00:17 am »
Eskimo Joe has been banned for trollish behaviour. Ignore his ridiculous posts.
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Re: i received a letter today from raw vegan who is on this diet for 30 yrs
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2009, 01:03:39 pm »
Im not a vegan but ive met plenty of sick ones and plenty of healthy ones. i think it depends on your karmic balance. people in past lives may have had more of a plutonic relationship with animals and hence they have served their purpose and spiritually no longer need to cause pain to sentient beings.

those people that need to consume flesh foods are in the second stage parasymbolic relationship with their kundalini rising potential. the flesh foods help stabalize this relationship and may provide grounding effect. some people find the animal adrenaline to stimulating for the adrenals and feel fatigued longterm.

everybody is different and everybody changes..i ate 7 praying mantis's tonight. head first and chewed 7 times for numerology benefits.

i alternate my insect protein for maximal amino acid profiles when i just find flesh foods to heavy to digest and i feel bloated from it.
you must have some serious problem to digest raw meat. i'll suggest you to try them again. if you stick with the karmic stuffs, that will be more dangerous. ofcourse, i find out that human can eat anything, but if you pray before you eat, that will change the molecules of that food and will help you. please, make an research on your diet and than draw the conclusion. you can harm others lives just saying something really wrong!
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