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Offline jessica

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2010, 11:53:22 am »
i would venture to say that the size of bacteria in comparison to most tissue cells in our body is extremely small, so even those the ratio in terms of number of bacteria organism:human tissue cells may seem like we are mostly bacteria, in terms of size, mass, volume, weight we are still majority human tissue

p.s. i would hope that roony would be investing his energy into better entheogens than "pot"

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2010, 02:17:18 pm »
Light bulb in cabinet, simply adjusting the wattage till i got around 100 f.  I used to use quart mason jars.  I shielded the jar from the light

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2010, 04:24:53 pm »
Roony,  your writings remind me of the way I must have sounded many years ago when I smoked pot.   I would take a little bit of information and weave it into a fantastical story.  I also had even a much greater ability to believe what I wanted to.  Know I realize I know very little.    I think it's true here, that almost everyone's diet is evolving as we learn more.  I doubt that hardly anyone, save one or two, would state emphatically that they have settled into the ultimate diet that will serve them to their grave,  that they wouldn't make changes or find out that they had done something inherantly not healthy after all.   

Not even worth replying to, clueless typical sheeple, enjoy your bleating


Looks like the natives ie miles are getting restless lol


Yes .... your fridge magically slows the rate of decay & keeps the meat edible ...


I'll let someone else field the stupidity in this thread, had my fill of dealing with morons

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2010, 04:46:29 pm »
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p.s. i would hope that roony would be investing his energy into better entheogens than "pot"

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An entheogen ("creates god within," ) is from Wikipedia; I don't agree - more like "improves communication with" IMHO.
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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2010, 09:00:13 pm »
Not even worth replying to, clueless typical sheeple, enjoy your bleating
Looks like the natives ie miles are getting restless lol
Yes .... your fridge magically slows the rate of decay & keeps the meat edible ...
lol, you're a terrible troll, lol

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kewl, kthnxbye. ;)
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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2010, 10:20:11 pm »
lol what the hell is wrong with this forum today ... Read this quote .... "Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria."

Translated .... Basically ALL meats are MADE OF BACTERIA .... what do you think keeps the meat fresh & prevents it from decaying? magic ... ? lol

Is this an example of the "holism" that you are preaching about? This statement implies nothing of the sort. You are stretching the meaning and implying that bacteria are randomly distributed equally throughout the body through every cell. You are implying that there is no one place that bacteria are more likely to concentrate. If this is how you normally translate information after 7+ years of researching it then....

From a  2 second internet search on normal flora I found this.

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In a healthy animal, the internal tissues, e.g. blood, brain, muscle, etc., are normally free of microorganisms. However, the surface tissues, i.e., skin and mucous membranes, are constantly in contact with environmental organisms and become readily colonized by various microbial species.

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The greatest number of bacteria are found in the lower intestinal tract, specifically the colon specifically the colon and the most prevalent bacteria are the Bacteroides, a group of Gram-negative, anaerobic, non-sporeforming bacteria.
http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html



Your source, which you somehow did not put up was from wiki answers and is found here for anyone wanting to follow up further

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_normal_flora


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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2010, 09:50:52 am »
I'm not sure why you're using wikianswers, but that statement is not true

Bacteria isnt randomly scattered throughout the body, but it is prevalent in every part of the body


You cant localise the massive amount of bacteria in the body, to a few select organs


Bacteria takes many forms, you could even argue, our cells are types of bacteria, but that isnt the assumption in this case

The tissue in our brain & muscle, doesnt grow & repair magically, it requires bacteria to perform those functions, & those bacteria have to be onsite

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2010, 11:16:33 am »
wtf, I was quoting your source, which you did not leave. You are the one who used wiki answers or the blog as per this search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=%22Incredibly%2C+our+bodies+are+actually+composed+of+more+bacterial+cells+than+human+cells%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

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The tissue in our brain & muscle, doesnt grow & repair magically, it requires bacteria to perform those functions, & those bacteria have to be onsite

provide one legitimate source


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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2010, 09:31:11 pm »
If you want to play the cite the research game, cite yours first & ill cite you mine ...  :P


Try finding ONE legitimate source, which ISNT based on the flawed germ theory of pasteur


Why are you even on a raw paelo diet, if you believe in germ theory? You should be dropping dead because of the DEADLY germs on raw meat as they infect your STERILE muscle & your STERILE brain, according to germ theory ....  l)
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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2010, 04:07:40 am »
If a pathogen causes damage to a cell, it becomes quarantined by inflammatory response. The pathogen is identified and special white blood cells are made to neutralise/kill the pathogen. The pathogen is packaged in a membrane and disposed of.

And there's your faulty logic right there ....

Your overall hypothesis is flawed, as pathogens dont cause damage to cells, they repair & clean up damaged cells

The only way to damage cells is to poison them, or deprive them of nutrition


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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2010, 04:20:16 am »
Well you are right about them cleaning damaged cells, they eat them like they eat damaged fruit.
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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2010, 04:31:52 am »
There's two types of advocates medicine

Germ Theory, & Bechampes all bacteria exist as a terrain for healing


Bechampe has been proven, while germ theory even the inventor denounced it, is a discredited theory, most modern research on biology still reverts to the old theory, as ideology

Bechampe also fits in existing philosophy & ancient sciences, such as omniscience


Read up on Bechampe if you want to know about raw meat, the most accessible is aajonus' material

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2010, 05:08:57 am »
And there's your faulty logic right there ....

Your overall hypothesis is flawed, as pathogens dont cause damage to cells, they repair & clean up damaged cells

The only way to damage cells is to poison them, or deprive them of nutrition



"Definition of Pathogen:

An agent of disease. A disease producer.
The term pathogen was devised about 1880 and was compounded from patho- meaning disease + -gen indicating a producer."

Any poison is a pathogen. All the definitions I found added that germs and virii are pathogens. They lie.
The word "poison" has been made politically incorrect/deprecated by the Forces of Darkness in order to deceive the unwary. It looks like they are winning.

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2010, 05:18:35 am »
Roony, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You might be William's gimmick account for all I know.

Im going to make this as clear as possibe since you've missed it the last couple times.

From reply #17 from this thread you wrote the following

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I'm not the sort to cite research for ppl who arent willing to do their own research, heres some results from a simple google search of   "body made up of bacteria"


" Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria.

This group of organisms, traditionally referred to as "normal flora" (although they are not plants) is composed of a fairly stable set of genera, mostly anaerobes. While each person has a relatively unique set of normal flora, members of the Streptococcus and Bacteroides make up a large percentage of the inhabitants.

These organisms contribute to our existence in several ways"

Again, this is you who wrote this, not anyone else.

You did not give out a source for the quoted information.

I googled your quote to find the source.

I found 2 matches according to google.

Here is how I searched

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=%22Incredibly%2C+our+bodies+are+actually+composed+of+more+bacterial+cells+than+human+cells%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

So I deduced that your source came from one of those two findings, one of which was wiki answers and the other from a blog.

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2010, 05:40:33 am »
Roony, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You might be William's gimmick account for all I know.

Im going to make this as clear as possibe since you've missed it the last couple times.

From reply #17 from this thread you wrote the following

Again, this is you who wrote this, not anyone else.

You did not give out a source for the quoted information.

I googled your quote to find the source.

I found 2 matches according to google.

Here is how I searched

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=%22Incredibly%2C+our+bodies+are+actually+composed+of+more+bacterial+cells+than+human+cells%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

So I deduced that your source came from one of those two findings, one of which was wiki answers and the other from a blog.

Well, what do you want me to say, thnx for using google?


The point wasnt the source, it was the actual wiki quote which as i pointed out was untrue

If you want to discuss the contents of that quote, which is what we have been doing for the last few posts, feel free to add to it, cheers

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2010, 05:43:56 am »
Roony, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You might be William's gimmick account for all I know.

Hey! I don't do fiction, and I don't have a "gimmick account" here.

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2010, 09:31:23 am »
Light bulb in cabinet, simply adjusting the wattage till i got around 100 f.  I used to use quart mason jars.  I shielded the jar from the light

Interesting.

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Re: Stomach Pains
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2010, 05:26:37 pm »
i would venture to say that the size of bacteria in comparison to most tissue cells in our body is extremely small, so even those the ratio in terms of number of bacteria organism:human tissue cells may seem like we are mostly bacteria, in terms of size, mass, volume, weight we are still majority human tissue

p.s. i would hope that roony would be investing his energy into better entheogens than "pot"


That is the whole point, microbes are a lot smaller human cells, theyre at the root of how the human body grows & repairs itself


The foundations of Raw Paleo, by aajonus & others are built on the works of people like Bechamp, how can the people in this thread follow a diet, they dont even understand the basics of ....

Instead of arguing with me & asking me for citations, go study the likes of bechamp


It's ludicrous to presume you can read a few mainstream text books, & do a quick google search & think you know your subject, you have to explore as many of the alternative views & points to get a clear picture

The same thing applies to physics, biology etc., you have to explore all the alternative idea's, to truly understand your subject, which is something current academia & current research will never do

All you'll know is a bunch of useless facts, & what the latest dogma is in science, in this case muscle & the brain are sterile, which is absurd as all living matter need microbes to function


If you want to understand the importance of microbes, then look up the research behind High Meats

Our human cells thrive & depend on the secretions & faeces of microbes, without them they start to decay & die off

Freezing or applying low temperature simply slows down the excretion's of a microbe, as its excretions are temperature sensitive

Which is why freezing seems to slow down the rate meat decays


Microbes & bacteria are pretty much indestructible, they're not effected by radiation or temperature, you cant slow down or kill bacteria by freezing or boiling them, they simply mutate

All you're doing is making the meat inhospitable, or ineffective to a microbes excretions, forcing them to mutate

In response the microbes mutate, or the inhospitable environment attracts even more virulent bacteria, who specialise in breaking down inhospitable area's which is why, frozen meat can become diseased & inedible defrosted


Also the total number of bacteria is far greater then human cells, my initial quote & plenty of research proves it, the size of a cell is simply related to its function, but its microbes which allow it to function


 

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