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whats wrong with grains
« on: April 06, 2010, 01:00:54 am »
As long as they dont cover more than 20 per cent of your overral diet, and as long as they are soaked and sprouted, they shoudlnt be a problem ?

Also, Mercola is against excessive fruit because of the sugar content, yet how do grains compare ?


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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 01:27:35 am »
Here's my theory and the reason why I don't eat them.

Grains are 'seeds' and when you sprout them they grow into grass. And grass is 100% not edible for humans. So why should we eat the seeds, that are even tougher and harder to digest then grass?
Take everyones advice with a grain of salt. Try things out for your self and then make up your mind.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 01:35:12 am »
ok

so what should happen to all the grains in the world , assuming everyone ate a paleothic diet ? make them into clothes ?

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 02:27:30 am »
Haha don't know.. feed them to what ever animal can digest them
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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 03:45:40 am »
Most grains have proteins that are allergenic for many people, to a lesser or greater extent. The most notorious is gluten, which many people are finding they are allergic to after eating it for decades. In addition grains have a much less than optimal fatty acid profile for the small amount of fat they have (for human nutrition) and are in large part carbohydrates which many people think is a poor source to derive much of your calories from. Lastly most modern grains do not grow in the wild but are instead derivative of wild seeds and have been bred for centuries to have characteristics that no natural or wild foods have. Because of this humans, or any other animal for that matter, has only been able to consume these foods for maximum 10,000 years as they didn't exist before then. According to what is currently believed in evolutionary theory that is a small amount of time for a species to adapt to a very different food, especially with the small amount of selective pressure humans have vs. other animals, because of our ability to alter our environment so much more than other animals.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 03:53:51 am »
okay, which is worse, grains or raw dairy

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 04:33:12 am »
In my opinion grains. Dairy at least can have a lot of fat, good fatty acid profile, and is not cooked. But in your personal experience you might do better on grains than raw dairy.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 04:37:43 am »
As long as they dont cover more than 20 per cent of your overral diet, and as long as they are soaked and sprouted, they shoudlnt be a problem ?
In addition to what raw kyle said there are still enzyme inhibitors even after sprouting grains.

Also, Mercola is against excessive fruit because of the sugar content, yet how do grains compare ?
In my opinion Mercola doesn't exactly know what hes talking about in certain situations. In particular when he talks about sugar in fruit. He always talks about all the studies done on how unhealthy fructose which is fruit sugar. But all the studies were done on overly processed fructose and are essentially useless when talking about fresh unprocessed fruit.
okay, which is worse, grains or raw dairy
I would rather have raw dairy at least its more nutritious and has a more favorable fat and protein ratio.
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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 05:25:50 am »
Here's two great articles that are easy to read that should get you started.

http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/6/23/the-argument-against-cereal-grains.html
http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2010/3/12/the-argument-against-cereal-grains-ii.html

Basically, grains have anti-nutrients that will disable the body to perform its duties in some manner. The sensitivity to these agents is highly variable but there is no reason to eat them as they provide no nutrition that other vegetation sources can provide without the anti-nutrition.

Sprouting, fermenting, removing the hull and cooking can lessen these effects.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 05:34:49 am »
thanks

 Don't be a wheat-eater.

lol

But back to my other question, what use do grains have if not for eating ? Animal feed ??

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 05:39:57 am »
But back to my other question, what use do grains have if not for eating ? Animal feed ??

There are animals that eat grains naturally. They are referred to as "granivores" or "seed predators." Lots of birds and some omnivores like pigs can eat seeds and do pretty well. As for modern farmed grains, their use traditionally was in the expansion of civilization by being able to control our food supply as it can be stored.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 05:40:32 am »
what about seeds in general ? chia seeds, pumpkin seeds etc etc ? why arent they cereal grains ?

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 05:59:28 am »
I'm not an expert on the subject, but I believe that the seeds we call "grains" are the ones that have been intensively bred during the agricultural revolution. Things like pumpkin seeds are much more closely related to their wild counterparts. Also if you look at the nutrition profile of them you'll usually see more protein and oils, less carbs, and no proteins like gluten.

Having said that I don't think any seeds or nuts should make up the bulk of human diet. They are extremely concentrated. I remember trying to eat meals of them when I was a raw vegan and it took a long time to digest and made me very sluggish. The same calories of meat digests effortlessly.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 06:00:17 am »
what about seeds in general ? chia seeds, pumpkin seeds etc etc ? why arent they cereal grains ?
Cereal grains grow into grasses, which chia seeds also do. Pumpkin seeds and other nuts don't and contain a huge difference in their nutritional profiles. Cereal grains have calories that mostly come from complex carbohydrates while nuts and seeds like pumpkin have most of their calories come from mono and poly unsaturated fats.
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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 08:07:29 am »
okay, what about white potatoes

are they bad also ??

or any potato

are they better than grains, but still quite bad ?

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2010, 08:54:25 am »
Hey Rob

How about you make a post in the 'welcome' section of our forum and tell us a little about yourself and your vegetarian diet.

Maybe about little about your vegetarian business too.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 09:00:05 am »
well, the truth is im just trying to eat better than my previous SAD

I have my own health goals, like keratosis pilaris, dry skin, bad eyesight, my red cheeks, dyness all over body, low functioning thyroid, slight heavy metal toxicity.

I lived a junk food diet all my life, trying to make changes step by step, addicted to bread, crisps and chocolate still.


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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2010, 09:29:39 am »
I was interested in the part where he wrote grains can cause schizophrenia.

Ive definitely had moments of manic depression and schizophrenia and irrational thinking (still do), and am in the process of applying for counselling for young people in a local youth centre.

I definitely my mercury amalgam fish poisoning vaccine, and high sugar high wheat diet bagel diet probably caused all of this. And pasteurised milk of course.

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2010, 12:17:53 pm »
what use do grains have if not for eating ?

    To roll around and play on.  Makes a nice bed too.  Also cleans your feet.  But that's all while it's grass.  Give the grains a chance to grow seeds to replenish itself.  Buffalo love grass tops anyway.  Leave it to them to eat.

grains can cause schizophrenia.

Ive definitely had moments of manic depression and schizophrenia and irrational thinking (still do), and am in the process of applying for counselling for young people in a local youth

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2010, 12:24:28 pm »
Cereal grains grow into grasses, which chia seeds also do. Pumpkin seeds and other nuts don't and contain a huge difference in their nutritional profiles. Cereal grains have calories that mostly come from complex carbohydrates while nuts and seeds like pumpkin have most of their calories come from mono and poly unsaturated fats.

Let's also remember that humans have probably been eating small-to-moderate amounts of fruits and nuts for as long as we've been walking upright, and longer.  We have not been eating grains.  Pumpkins are fruits, and both nuts and fruits grow on actual plants, versus just single stalks.  When humans were on grasslands in the past, they were hunting animals, not gathering/eating grains/grasses. 

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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2010, 04:53:02 pm »
This post should have been made in the Hot Topics forum as it's related to grains, a non-RPD food. I'll move it there now.

(I note that schizophrenia has been linked to dairy as well).
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Re: whats wrong with grains
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2010, 12:51:54 am »
some of my friend said that rice is better than bread... but once again, you need to know the right amount... about 10 - 15 spoon a day will be a good quantity.

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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2010, 09:26:38 am »
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Re: whats wrong with grains
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2010, 04:00:47 am »
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