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Offline stevesurv

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Health Plateau
« on: August 14, 2008, 09:32:03 am »
I've wondered if one eventually reaches a plateau of health on the Paleo Diet and spends the rest of one's life in fluctuation around that level or if the body continually improves over the entire course one's life. I know the age at which one starts is important so we'll say a person who begins at the tender age of 30 crawling out of a SAD diet. Any opinions?

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 02:42:26 pm »
30 is the cut-off point, IMO. I think that RAFers report that healing/recovery is slowed down for every year after 30, so that a 75-year-old would take much longer to recover on this sort of diet, given so many decades on SAD. I started going RAF at 29, and solved my most serious issues(re raw dairy etc.) by 30.

In my own case, I had adrenal exhaustion/burnout and thyroid trouble for god knows how long, pre-rawpalaeo. This is supposed to lead to an increased rate of aging, so going raw might  only improve  my potential lifespan up to a point - of course, I may be wrong, and all aging-effects derived from those past health-problems could be completely reversed, in time. I'll just have to wait and see - at the moment, I do look pretty good for a 35-year-old, so I'm not too worried.

Re improving to a plateau:- I've noticed that certain things keep on improving such as my ability to withstand cold temperatures, and my endurance has increased, even after my various health-conditions were solved. I suspect, though, that I need to  spend far more time doing Palaeo-style heavy exercise each day, in order to attain maximum efficiency. Unfortunately, being in an urban environment makes one a bit sedentary at times.
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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2008, 12:12:12 am »
I agree with Tyler that some things will plateau but something will always be improving.

The research would be practically impossible but it would be interesting to see what negative health effects are more based on prenatal, natal and childhood nutrition (we can refer to them as foundational disease) and what is caused more by temporary or continued into adulthood nutrition (which would encompass everything from chronic non-foundational to acute disease). In other words what health problems you could still expect to have if you were brought up on SAD and switched at 30, 25, 20, 18, 16, etc...all the way up to what your health would look like if your mother was a practicing RAFist when you were conceived.

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2008, 06:19:34 am »
I agree with Tyler that some things will plateau but something will always be improving.

The research would be practically impossible but it would be interesting to see what negative health effects are more based on prenatal, natal and childhood nutrition (we can refer to them as foundational disease) and what is caused more by temporary or continued into adulthood nutrition (which would encompass everything from chronic non-foundational to acute disease). In other words what health problems you could still expect to have if you were brought up on SAD and switched at 30, 25, 20, 18, 16, etc...all the way up to what your health would look like if your mother was a practicing RAFist when you were conceived.

Everyone's different. Genetics would play into account. The research wouldn't be impossible. It would just take a long time. Nutrition and Physical Degeneration would provide some clues for you about prenatal, natal and post natal nutrition.

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 10:30:43 am »
There's a book called "Pottenger's Cats" by Francis Pottenger who showed that it takes three generations of raw food for cats to revert to a state of paleo-style health after being on dry food longtime.
I'm way over thirty, but notice steady improvement (except for an old back injury). It seems that the return to better health involves detoxifying, and we all carry a burden of pollution, including heavy metals. Takes time.

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 06:19:05 pm »
There's a book called "Pottenger's Cats" by Francis Pottenger who showed that it takes three generations of raw food for cats to revert to a state of paleo-style health after being on dry food longtime.
I'm way over thirty, but notice steady improvement (except for an old back injury). It seems that the return to better health involves detoxifying, and we all carry a burden of pollution, including heavy metals. Takes time.

I hope I can give my future children the best possible health I can. I just need a mate who shares my ideals.  ;D

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 06:28:00 pm »
I started eating some RVAF about 25% April 2006 (I wanted to go 100% but worked in a remote camp)
Quit my job and started 95% RVAF Feb 2007
I started RAF 99% June 2008

I hope to greatly improve my health and some things have greatly improved  have but some issues haven't even budged.
I'm realistic and I can see some of damage will never be repaired. I liked Lex's analogy of a tree putting down it's roots, I can't find it in the RVAF forum the search function doesn't back far enough, Lex could you repeat it?

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2008, 08:46:49 pm »
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I've noticed that certain things keep on improving such as my ability to withstand cold temperatures, and my endurance has increased, even after my various health-conditions were solved.

I can see through walls now and levitate for 20 seconds. I'm trying for a full minute!   ;D

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2008, 11:35:05 pm »
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I've noticed that certain things keep on improving such as my ability to withstand cold temperatures, and my endurance has increased, even after my various health-conditions were solved.

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I can see through walls now and levitate for 20 seconds. I'm trying for a full minute!   ;D

I'm not suggesting that I can sit in a vat of liquid nitrogen without harm or that I can do the Marathon every day without hassle,  but  I do experience gradual, minor benefits each passing year, on top of the health-problems I solved.

Mind you, I was so decrepit, healthwise, pre-rawpalaeo diet(being unable to do any light sport    for more than 10 minutes without collapsing etc. etc.) that my subsequent health-transformation, re exercise-performance,  was pretty impressive, even so,  by comparison.
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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2008, 12:06:19 am »
I can see through walls now and levitate for 20 seconds. I'm trying for a full minute!   ;D

Seeing through wall is easy, but levitate? Hmmmm..., levitate,levity,levites. Needs work.

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2008, 12:15:18 am »
Seeing through wall is easy, but levitate? Hmmmm..., levitate,levity,levites. Needs work.

Levitation? Bah. That's beginner stuff. When y'all start raising folks from the dead, let me know.

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2008, 03:46:02 am »
I see Paleo People  ;D

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Re: Health Plateau
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2008, 07:06:08 pm »
I don't believe in the magic age of 30. I think one can excel at any age, given the right environmental conditions. I think even WE as open minded paleolithic subordinates, underestimate the power of the healing capabilities of a living organism. There is so much in the mind we haven't even begun to tap it's...silly. In the eyes of those 2 or 3 hundred years after us...elementary.

 

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