California

[Coatue]

I'm considering a move to California (an hour south of San Francisco along the coast) from NJ. Can anybody recommend California in any way... is it easy to be raw paleo there? In other words, is there a good amount access to grass fed meats?

thanks!

[CHK91]

California is overrated.

- Expensive property
- High taxation
- Nanny state

[Coatue]

California is overrated.

- Expensive property
- High taxation
- Nanny state

hah...I already experience all of this in NJ except the nanny state aspect...high taxes in NJ without the state benefits and awesome weather! I'm mostly interested in Cali for the beautiful year-round weather to get some sun and outdoor activities

[achillezzz]

raw milk?

[TylerDurden]

LOTS of RVAFers around the Malibu/los angeles area plus access to raw foods aplenty.

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California is known to cause cancer and birth defects.
Arizona is bettah.
I was born in San Diego, Ca. Won't ever move back.
Hell I don't even visit often.

Move to Az and coming hiking with me.

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California is known to cause cancer and birth defects.
Arizona is bettah.
I was born in San Diego, Ca. Won't ever move back.
Hell I don't even visit often.

Move to Az and coming hiking with me.

How does the State of California cause more cancer than anywhere else?

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How does the State of California cause more cancer than anywhere else?

Good point, all cities suck. I loath Commiefornia though.
They would be the first to give you a fluoride/baton suppository and microchip you.
Hopefully it cracks off into the ocean in 644 days. Vonderplanitz doesn't even stay there anymore.
Those damn people are begging to have guns banned...
in a place where gang bangers have been breeding and recruiting for generations.
This location shifts from nanny state, to no state, and back to nanny state, at the drop of a hat every few years.
Then the possibility of radiation from Japan... ugg
Moving to Ca, is to step forehead-deep into a poopy-pie.

In conclusion, I suggest you do what feels right to you but california gives me the worst feeling ever.
Any place where the ground shakes regularly, is just not right for me.

[CHK91]

Hopefully it cracks off into the ocean in 644 days.

...And nothing of value was lost. XD

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...And nothing of value was lost. XD

A beach in Arizona would be gained!

[proteus]

i lived in SF bay area for a year ( normally live in Brooklyn ) and i wouldn't say it is beautiful weather all year in there.

it is cold all the time for the most part, but never so cold that you can't go out and exercise and never so cold that flowers can't grow.  just cold.  not too cold.

overall the weather is much better than NY but i wasn't very happy with it.  i had a pool where i lived and there were only maybe like 20 - 30 days in the year hot enough to make use of it.  most houses in SF bay don't even have air conditioning because it is rarely hot enough to need it.

i was actually driving 10 miles down to a 24 Hour Fitness Super Sport gym to swim in an indoor heated pool instead of my own pool.  "perfect" weather for me would definitely be warmer than that, and i am originally from Russia, not from Africa or anything like that.

that said, being able to exercise outdoors ( bike and run ) year round is a HUGE benefit for health.  its also a huge benefit that you can keep your windows open most of the year ( you need to run heating for about 3 months a year, and you never run AC ).

[cliff]

Norcal is cold and shitty from what my experience, socal is where its at if you can afford it.  I would probably rather live somewhere else if I didn't surf though.  No matter where you go in cali you will probably have good access to raw animal foods but don't forget its extremely expensive out here(it averages around $7-10/lb for legit grass fed meats, half that for organs)

[CHK91]

I would recommend Colorado. Grass fed meat access would be easy and there would be NO shortage of outdoor activities. It's a beautiful place. If I ever decided to move away from Texas, I would go to Colorado or one of the mountain States around that area.

[MoonStalkeR]

There is a high chance that I'm moving to the San Diego area later this year for the climate. I live in Brooklyn too and the weather is terrible.

[brokenbox]

I live in Cali, Los Angeles, Santa Monica to be exact.. I dislike it cuz I was born here and despite the property I now own is worth close to 1 mil. its uncomfortable because my family wasn't wealthy they just bought out at the right time.. People are pretentious everything is a facade, traffic is horrendous and its crowded and noisy but thats mostly LA. I do love San Fran, and SD is where my husband works, for me it was too slow but now that I'm back in LA I miss it, its slower paced and the weather does seem to be better down south.. Creepy thing is the weather, it aint so great anymore, its been really cold the last couple yrs. I was reminiscing with a friends yesterday and we can all recall long and hot summers, its like an ice age is slowly coming... Today was sunny for once but very very cold. We went down to the beach and couldn't take how cold it was, and this is almost April! I plan to move to Florida as I love that humid hot Caribbean weather but yes Cali is way overrated at this point and expensive to boot, however, being raw in LA or anything different is so easy since we have so many "conscious" or whatever-into health, freaks. So whole foods, TJ's, co-ops, farmers markets, and "secret" raw shops.. AJ lives in Malibu too far from where I am... plus raw dairy is legal... Either way its always worth a visit..

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... "secret" raw shops..

Interesting... is it tax free and/or cheaper?

[cliff]

Interesting... is it tax free and/or cheaper?

I think shes talking about rawesome?  If that is the case they are overpriced and shady imo

[Wolf]

The smog here is terrible.  I live in socal, I think a bit southeastish from L.A., I'm not entirely sure because I've never really been to L.A, but it's not far from here.  But I have trouble breathing because of all the smog.  but raw foods aren't too difficult to get, and closer to the beach I think are all those places like rawsome and stuff that you can get good foods from.

[eveheart]

Can anybody recommend California in any way... is it easy to be raw paleo there? In other words, is there a good amount access to grass fed meats?

Did you get enough info about your original question? 

I live an hour south of SF. I've lived in other California locations, too. Yes, I recommend this area... for its moderate weather, its cultural diversity, its educational opportunities, its lifestyle. It's great here. I've lived places that I have hated, so I realize that it's a very personal thing.

And, yes, there is great access to grass-fed meats, some at okay prices. Raw dairy is hard-to-impossible to find.

[Wolf]

Raw dairy isn't all that difficult to find, as far as I have seen there are two raw dairy farms in California that I have been able to get raw milk from.. the first is organic pastures, and the other is claravale farms.  You can go to their websites to find locations for their raw milk.  Northern Cali might have more options for raw dairy, I think there's nicer farms up north, but those two farms sell raw milk in SoCal.

http://www.organicpastures.com/

http://claravaledairy.com/

[eveheart]

Raw dairy isn't all that difficult to find, as far as I have seen there are two raw dairy farms in California that I have been able to get raw milk from...

I agree that both those dairies are the chief producer of raw cow's dairy, BUT... distribution can be very hit and miss. You need to be in the right city, shopping on the right day, and hope the order came in. It was different in the olden days, when I could get raw dairy products delivered to my door by a milk truck.

[Wolf]

Well, the store that I shop at pretty much almost always has milk from Organic Pastures in stock, everyday.  It's very rare that I'll go in and there be no milk!  The other products are more hit and miss though, such as the butter, cultured butter, qephor, colostrum, and all that are often less in stock than the actual milk.  But I think you can order from Organic pastures, http://www.organicpastures.com/shop.html  it looks like they will deliver their milk to you.

[Coatue]

Well, the store that I shop at pretty much almost always has milk from Organic Pastures in stock, everyday.  It's very rare that I'll go in and there be no milk!  The other products are more hit and miss though, such as the butter, cultured butter, qephor, colostrum, and all that are often less in stock than the actual milk.  But I think you can order from Organic pastures, http://www.organicpastures.com/shop.html  it looks like they will deliver their milk to you.

For my one month in Cali, I have to say claravale milk is much better than organic pastures. Its pure jersey milk and comes in glass bottles so no plastic taste you get with organic pastures

[cliff]

The pasteurized organic non homogenized milk from trader joes(its from strauss farms) is better then OP milk imo, its half the price too.  Not raw but I'm not really concerned with 15 seconds of 160 degrees or so.

I've never had calaravile but I remeber it being even more expensive then OP

Also for anyone who doesn't know OP has some pretty shady practices, they outsource for a couple of there products like colostrum and I've read they will buy pretty shitty raw milk and pass it off as from there grass fed cows. 

He confirmed the statement and left a real beauty in my email inbox.
Not only was the colostrum from another dairy, but it was from one of the most notorious dairies in California: the Vander Eyk Organic Dairy out of Pixley, California.
Perhaps you have heard of the Vander Eyk Dairy right here on this blog. My husband and I stayed up late one June evening learning video editing to get this video out with the breaking news story.
The Vander Eyk Organic Dairy is the first and only dairy in U.S. history to lose its organic certification.
http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/blog/2008/04/the_elephant_in_the_raw_milk_r.html

OP parades around as "grass fed" alluding to being 100% GF but they aren't.  Imo Mark Mcafee is a snake and I would never support the dude.

[Wolf]

For my one month in Cali, I have to say claravale milk is much better than organic pastures. Its pure jersey milk and comes in glass bottles so no plastic taste you get with organic pastures

Yes, I really like Claravale farms jersey milk in the glass bottles a lot more, and the rare times I do find it in the store I shop at, I buy it over the Organic Pastures milk.. however, the only problem with Claravale farms (which also provides raw goat milk, too actually) is that they are not certified organic, and will use antibiotics on their cows if their cows become sick (although those cows are kept separate from the milking herd and their milk is not sold until the antibiotics are out of their system).. I also heard tell that they can't always get organic feed for their cows, but that was from one of the employees at the store I buy my raw milk from, when I asked why they didn't have the claravale farm milk anymore.. so I don't know for sure how reliable the information is, because after that, they got Claravale milk in again.