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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2013, 09:09:28 am »
thanks- im going to do the oil of oregano and dsmo cream combination to try and kill the virus. i dont have outbreaks- just one really tiny one. Already ordered it >:

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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2013, 09:17:30 am »
for what its worth, excuse my ramblings, but....
In my opinion, 'cure' is not always what takes place, or is not necessarily always the best goal.
Searching for 'cures' often increases inner conflict about ones situation, rather than fostering a more peaceful (less stressed) inner landscape.
I find with many health situations (illnesses, maladies, etc), its not so much as being cured, as rather the organism falls into a harmonious accord.
Moreover, quite often folk with serious conditions like cancer, (who end up surviving and living into old age) are not 'cured' as such, but rather the cancer has gone to sleep, is inactive.
Personally, I dont see herpes virus as something one can 'cure,' in the sense that it is eradicated from the body forevermore, but rather it becomes inactive, or is not required by the body, as part of the overall homeostatic processes of the organism.
One can also view maladies such as herpes as something to be conquered, wiped out, killed, etc, or one can accept (it) as part of the inherent wisdom of the body, and honor its role (even if it might not fit into roles we may think are integral to the functioning intelligence of the body).
Eating sound foods, getting plenty of natural therapy (sunlight, wind, fresh air, starlight, salt water, lakewater, spending time amongst trees, plants, on the seashore, in gardens, in the hills, fields, forests, etc with exposure through the skin) and working to increase mindfulnesses of the grandeur of the moment now, is a fantastic way to navigate through any illness, facilitating healing the dis-ease it causes to ones mental state, and initiating overall harmony in the organism.


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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2013, 10:12:48 am »
I like the sound of our bodies manufacturing the virus itself.. but then its pretty obvious to me that things like colds spread through people.  I personally see a virus jumping from one person to the next and living in them, rather than I go around someone who has a cold, and they send out some frequency from their body that initiates the virus production in my own body, or however you're telling me it works...?
That's not paleo.

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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2013, 11:33:41 am »
for what its worth, excuse my ramblings, but....
In my opinion, 'cure' is not always what takes place, or is not necessarily always the best goal.
Searching for 'cures' often increases inner conflict about ones situation, rather than fostering a more peaceful (less stressed) inner landscape.
I find with many health situations (illnesses, maladies, etc), its not so much as being cured, as rather the organism falls into a harmonious accord.
Moreover, quite often folk with serious conditions like cancer, (who end up surviving and living into old age) are not 'cured' as such, but rather the cancer has gone to sleep, is inactive.
Personally, I dont see herpes virus as something one can 'cure,' in the sense that it is eradicated from the body forevermore, but rather it becomes inactive, or is not required by the body, as part of the overall homeostatic processes of the organism.
One can also view maladies such as herpes as something to be conquered, wiped out, killed, etc, or one can accept (it) as part of the inherent wisdom of the body, and honor its role (even if it might not fit into roles we may think are integral to the functioning intelligence of the body).
Eating sound foods, getting plenty of natural therapy (sunlight, wind, fresh air, starlight, salt water, lakewater, spending time amongst trees, plants, on the seashore, in gardens, in the hills, fields, forests, etc with exposure through the skin) and working to increase mindfulnesses of the grandeur of the moment now, is a fantastic way to navigate through any illness, facilitating healing the dis-ease it causes to ones mental state, and initiating overall harmony in the organism.



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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2013, 02:36:12 pm »
Beautifully said - but would it still be contagious?

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« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2013, 03:05:41 pm »
Beautifully said - but would it still be contagious?

Hi Demorican,
not sure if you are referring to my comment, or someone elses.  -\
However, personally I would not be having sex (protected or otherwise) while the sores are present. I would allow the skin to heal and favour other means of intimacy and sharing for that time.
The sores will heal.
If you are near the sea, saltwater has great restorative qualities.
Kind wishes, J  :)
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« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2013, 10:53:37 pm »
Beautifully said - but would it still be contagious?
yes
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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2013, 07:05:03 am »
I like the sound of our bodies manufacturing the virus itself.. but then its pretty obvious to me that things like colds spread through people.  I personally see a virus jumping from one person to the next and living in them, rather than I go around someone who has a cold, and they send out some frequency from their body that initiates the virus production in my own body, or however you're telling me it works...?

I learned this, maybe someone can tell me if it is right:
Colds are not actually passed on, rather something in your body is activated to cause it to detox (in form of a cold). If there is no need to detox, you won't get the cold.
My son (17 mos.) never gets anything. I could be sneezing and coughing over him all day, and he would just be fine. I barely get sick since eating raw/cooked Paleo. I will get very minor cold symptoms for one or two days. If anything the stuffy nose lasts the longest. When I was transitioning to Paleo, I did get sick too, but far less bad than I used to.

I am thinking my body does not need to detox much anymore. And my son is on breast milk and all RPD, so he is even better.

What puzzles me though...is how this reaction happens, something coming from the sick person must trigger it.

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Personally, I dont see herpes virus as something one can 'cure,' in the sense that it is eradicated from the body forevermore, but rather it becomes inactive, or is not required by the body, as part of the overall homeostatic processes of the organism.
Could it be the same with my HPV? The doctor said it was cleared, meaning no HPV was even found after my last test.
I also wonder if it could reactivate if that was the case. I suppose so...
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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2013, 07:24:19 am »
I rarely get colds and its psychological. I just say 'nup I'm not getting a cold'.

Colds are an emotional deterrent... feel the pain of a cold rather than emotions.

You hear of people who have crippling anxiety but once they get a terrible cold the anxiety completely disappears.
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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2013, 07:32:59 am »
 
I learned this, maybe someone can tell me if it is right:
Colds are not actually passed on, rather something in your body is activated to cause it to detox (in form of a cold). If there is no need to detox, you won't get the cold.

Yes, the most adequate and simplest theory (best explaining the known facts, including those we note with raw paleo nutrition) is due to GCB and it says the virus or bacteria are passed on, providing specific information to the cells and the body on how to detox. But if there's nothing to detox, you don't get ill.

Those detox "programs" are adapted to small amounts of toxins such as can occasionally be found in nature, for example in a food that has been heated on a rock in the sun or grilled in a forest fire. Thus, if a constant intake of the kind of toxins the “program” is meant to expel happens 3 times a day with a standard cooked diet, this “program” tends to runaway out of control. 

So, there is contagion (it's a fact we can't deny) but in normal conditions it's beneficial. The cooked, processed, modern and neolithic foods cause abnormal conditions which can make virus and some bacteria dangerous.
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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2013, 08:36:43 am »
Thanks for explaining Iguana! It will be interesting to see how much I will react when I am fully on Raw Paleo.

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Lately I haven't been getting colds much at all, so last time I was convinced I would not get anything and then had a runny nose and eyes for a day. Maybe it would have been worse though if I was paranoid about getting sick.
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Re: Just tested positive for herpes
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2013, 08:59:43 pm »
Thanks for explaining Iguana! It will be interesting to see how much I will react when I am fully on Raw Paleo.

wodgina
Lately I haven't been getting colds much at all, so last time I was convinced I would not get anything and then had a runny nose and eyes for a day. Maybe it would have been worse though if I was paranoid about getting sick.

Who knows S. I think not wanting to get a cold can cause a cold?

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« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2013, 10:22:16 pm »
Maybe...

Next time I will just be laid back, welcome any cold (detox) it happens, but not expect it.
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« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2013, 11:41:43 pm »

Yes, the most adequate and simplest theory (best explaining the known facts, including those we note with raw paleo nutrition) is due to GCB and it says the virus or bacteria are passed on, providing specific information to the cells and the body on how to detox. But if there's nothing to detox, you don't get ill.

Those detox "programs" are adapted to small amounts of toxins such as can occasionally be found in nature, for example in a food that has been heated on a rock in the sun or grilled in a forest fire. Thus, if a constant intake of the kind of toxins the “program” is meant to expel happens 3 times a day with a standard cooked diet, this “program” tends to runaway out of control. 

So, there is contagion (it's a fact we can't deny) but in normal conditions it's beneficial. The cooked, processed, modern and neolithic foods cause abnormal conditions which can make virus and some bacteria dangerous.


This does not explain how wild animals, eating their natural diet, can die of disease epidemics. 


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« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2013, 01:08:32 am »
That’s true. The theory is only valid for all the human viruses and germs we have experienced up to now. There might some viruses able to wipe out most of a population when it got too dense or couldn't adapt to a modified environment. 

Epidemics in wild animals populations generally happen when they became too numerous and/or can't find enough of all their normal foods. This may be due to:

- an  habitat  constrained or destroyed by human presence;
- human pressure has pushed them to move to an area not really suited and where they miss certain nutrients or cannot properly balance their diet;
- overpopulation because their predators have been eliminated;
- water and/or food pollution;
- there might be some other causes of which I have no idea at the moment.
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« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2013, 01:33:45 am »
That’s true. The theory is only valid for all the human virus and germs we have experienced up to now. There might some virus able to wipe out most of a population when it got too dense or couldn't adapt to a modified environment. 

Epidemics in wild animals populations generally happen when they became too numerous and/or can't find enough of all their normal foods. This may be due to:

- an  habitat  constrained or destroyed by human presence;
- human pressure has pushed them to move to an area not really suited and where they miss certain nutrients or cannot properly balance their diet;
- overpopulation because their predators have been eliminated;
- water and/or food pollution;
- there might be some other causes of which I have no idea at the moment.


Wild animals can die of infectious diseases even on their species-appropriate diet.   Would you like a cite on that?


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« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2013, 01:54:53 am »
Sure, please go on.
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« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2013, 02:02:03 am »
Wild animals can die of infectious diseases even on their species-appropriate diet.   Would you like a cite on that?

I would. Not that I disagree with you. I'd just like to see proof.
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« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2013, 04:58:01 am »
Unfortunately, without paying $34 we can't read the next pages of this article dated of 1931. 
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Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2013, 06:54:43 am »
I did not say they could not be passed, I said that it is absolutely likely they are also produced by the body.

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« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2013, 07:19:24 am »
I always found it weird that if you're negative you're below I think .9, if you're positive you're over .9.

So it's almost like it's already there.
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« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2013, 11:26:51 am »
Unfortunately, without paying $34 we can't read the next pages of this article dated of 1931. 

Weston Price published his work in the 1920s and 1930s.  For that matter, the French scientist who wrote about white blood cells and cooked food wrote his article in the 1920s, right?

But never mind all that.  How about this?  The bubonic plague killed 1/4 to 1/3 of Europeans several times.  They were pretty much all eating the diet appropriate for their social class, yet some died and some did not.  Why did some die, while others did not?  it's obviously not nutritional.  It's mostly genetic.  Some people have more genetic resistance than others to specific diseases.  It's just reality, and it's pointless to deny it.

Just like some people tolerate some foods better than other people because of genetics, some people tolerate some microbes better than others.  We all vary genetically in many, many different ways.


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« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2013, 03:43:53 pm »
CK does have a strong point re genetics/epigenetics. But I also think that environment plays a large part. I mean, peoples' diet varied greatly in the Middle-Ages with the aristocrats eating a quite different diet from the peasants, for example(more meats), and some individuals might have become more likely to survive because they'd recently had a flu which boosted their immune-system afterwards or something similiar. It would be interesting to find out what proportion of nobles survived compared to the peasants.
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« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2013, 04:40:45 pm »
Weston Price published his work in the 1920s and 1930s.  For that matter, the French scientist who wrote about white blood cells and cooked food wrote his article in the 1920s, right?

But never mind all that.  How about this?  The bubonic plague killed 1/4 to 1/3 of Europeans several times.  They were pretty much all eating the diet appropriate for their social class, yet some died and some did not.  Why did some die, while others did not?  it's obviously not nutritional.  It's mostly genetic.  Some people have more genetic resistance than others to specific diseases.  It's just reality, and it's pointless to deny it.

Just like some people tolerate some foods better than other people because of genetics, some people tolerate some microbes better than others.  We all vary genetically in many, many different ways.


At least they are immune to HIV now!
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