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Is Cooked Food Poison?
« on: July 11, 2013, 12:10:21 am »
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The cooking = toxicity = disease paradigm. One of the most common ideas in raw-food circles is that most diseases are due to toxemia, and that one cannot be truly healthy without discontinuing what is believed to be one of the major sources of such internal toxemia: cooked food, even if such food is unprocessed in any other respect except by heat.
While it certainly appears true that many people experience (sometimes impressive) improvements when first coming to raw food, it also appears that long-time pure raw-foodists who have maintained the diet for many years are rare. Anecdotal evidence also suggests (no peer-reviewed research is available on the issue, to our knowledge) that those eating 100% raw foods do not appear to be any healthier on average than people eating predominantly raw, and that raw diets are not the only diets that may work.

Evidence, experience, and arguments addressed in this paper. The material presented here is based on (A) an extensive review of scientific literature and the logical conclusions to be drawn or inferred from it, as well as (B) personal experience with eating 100% or close to 100% raw food, and reading about many other people's experiences (since little if any scientific research is available on raw-fooders). After looking into and examining here what are, we believe, virtually all of the arguments traditionally offered from both sides for and against cooking, the conclusion we are led to is that the dangers of cooking have been largely overstated. However, at the same time, it would obviously be erroneous to say that eating raw doesn't affect our health in any way, and in fact we do believe the knowledge available indicates eating at least partially raw is important.

Subject is not black-and-white. The objective here will be to investigate one by one all of the known effects of heating on food, and examine with a critical eye all the classical raw-foodist claims about the necessity to eat raw. In particular, we'll see that some of these claims appear to be true or partially true; others wrong or very doubtful; and also presented will be some benefits of cooking in certain situations--which as we will see depend very much on the particular food in question.

The present paper is quite long, unavoidably, due to the complexity of the problem. Things are not black-and-white in this subject, contrary to what many people believe. The hope here is to at least convince the reader of the last point.

Logical sequence of paper. We will begin our look first in Part 1 with such questions as: Is cooked food toxic? What is the influence of cooking on carcinogenesis? etc. Then, in Part 2, we'll attempt to determine whether raw food is more nutritious than cooked food (what about enzymes, vitamins, etc?). Finally, in Part 3, we'll discuss the question of 100% raw diets versus "predominantly raw" diets.
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Re: Is Cooked Food Poison?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2013, 03:28:58 am »
That paper is very long and as best as I can gather, they are referring far more to raw-veganism than to raw paleo. It seems around the forum most are on a predominantly meat diet. Not a lot of research has been done on that.

The paper talks mostly about how fruits are good raw but cooking aids starches, grains, and some veggies. Kind of restating what we already address on this forum.
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Re: Is Cooked Food Poison?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2013, 04:52:43 am »
Ah, Jean Louis Tu, is the author, that's what I thought immediately. At the end of the "T A B L E   O F   C O N T E N T S" for Part 1, there's a chapter's title called "Digestive leukocytosis: what a close reading of Kouchakoff reveals". In this chapter , Jean-Louis states: "Kouchakoff's experiments on which the phenomenon is based are of questionable validity." Well, we never said the contrary! GCB himself told us in his seminars that he and friends tried to replicate Kouchakoff's experiments, but without success.

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Re: Is Cooked Food Poison?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2013, 08:49:04 am »
Beyondveg.com has in the last year or two suddenly altered its anti-raw page in response to my article ridiculing it. I am going to need to do some serious research in order to debunk the latest attempt. Sadly, no one else seems to want to bother with all that effort, so I'll have to do it when I can.
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Re: Is Cooked Food Poison?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2013, 09:33:59 am »
Beyondveg.com has in the last year or two suddenly altered its anti-raw page in response to my article ridiculing it. I am going to need to do some serious research in order to debunk the latest attempt. Sadly, no one else seems to want to bother with all that effort, so I'll have to do it when I can.

No one bothers because no one really reads that site, except a few people who are into eating raw.  Not even most raw foodists read it.

Seriously, the guy's a troll, just like Stephen Barrett, etc.. He's not a bit interested in finding the truth, and therefore I immediately dismiss him.  Only really sincere seekers ever find the truth about nutrition, in Western society.

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Re: Is Cooked Food Poison?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2013, 09:36:58 am »
No one bothers because no one really reads that site, except a few people who are into eating raw.  Not even most raw foodists read it.

Seriously, the guy's a troll, just like Stephen Barrett, etc.. He's not a bit interested in finding the truth, and therefore I immediately dismiss him.  Only really sincere seekers ever find the truth about nutrition, in Western society.
That said, it is our OBLIGATION to counter such nonsense wherever it appears.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2013, 10:52:50 am »
That said, it is our OBLIGATION to counter such nonsense wherever it appears.

Well, if you want.  He'll just keep intentionally distorting the truth, though.  He doesn't WANT the truth to come out.  And that makes him fundamentally uninteresting.  People can sense that, given enough time. I think that's why we're so much more popular than the cooked Paleo forums. People can sense that we are laser-focused on the truth, and they are attracted to that. They know that we couldn't care less what society says people are supposed to eat, and that we, one way or another, are going to arrive at the truth.

 

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