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Dangerous to mix raw meat and processed cooked industrial food?
« on: September 18, 2013, 06:40:45 am »
Aajonus always talked about how it was the environment that caused pathogens to fluorish and become hostile, not just ingesting it itself. Wouldn't this mean that it's dangerous to eat bad industrial foods as they kill good bacteria and ruin the inner climate and thus make it habitable for bad opportunistic life forms? That if you would eat these foods and then raw meat and just eat them together etc, raw meat in the morning, cooked meat in tortillas and industrial tomato sauce and ice cream afterwards in the evening, doesn't this make you extermely susceptible to actually suffering from bad infection? Or is it ok to slowly transition into the diet
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Re: Dangerous to mix raw meat and processed cooked industrial food?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 06:54:28 am »
Other's will chime in, so you should listen to what they have to say too.

For myself, I didn't do a transition. I started eating raw, and have not mixed 'industrial' foods with the high quality diet I now eat. I personally wouldn't bother doing anything less. But that's just me.

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 07:11:06 am »
Other's will chime in, so you should listen to what they have to say too.

For myself, I didn't do a transition. I started eating raw, and have not mixed 'industrial' foods with the high quality diet I now eat. I personally wouldn't bother doing anything less. But that's just me.
I've tried throwing myself right into it but some days I just cannot stomach the raw animal products at all. Availability is also bad. What fats do you guys use? Unpasteurized cheese is 5 times the price of the regular one. I can barely ever find organic avocado and the regular ones make me sick. Do you just eat some animal lard or something? Where can you buy that? It would be best if I could ease my way into the diet slowly.

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 07:19:43 am »
Also what's up with getting a slight fever after eating the meat sometimes?

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 07:38:54 am »
fever or just hot?  I get hot after meals sometimes, but feverish feels different.

its dangerous to mix raw and industrialized foods because industrialized foods are dangerous.

a transition would be doing cooked paleo (ala marksdailyapple.com style).

industrialized foods have no place in any kind of healthy lifestyle.

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Re: Dangerous to mix raw meat and processed cooked industrial food?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 08:07:16 am »
When I first started eating raw I ate regular food and raw food all the time.

For example, I'd eat one meal of beef fat and meat, the rest would be cooked. Some days I'd down a bunch of raw eggs, some raw milk, and the rest of my food would be regular.

I never had any digestive problems and I noticed benefits from adding in raw food to my cooked food.

I don't advice doing that though. lol that's just what I did because of the situation I was in.

You may also notice animals in cities eat some raw food, and also bread and other stuff they can find.
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 08:10:37 am »
In terms of 'stomaching' food, do you mean you don't have a taste for it or that you get sick from eating it? Maybe the answer is fasting for a few days and breaking the fast by easing into a raw diet?

I fast periodically, sometimes for multiple days. I don't plan this out ahead of time, but some days I just have no appetite and I never force myself to eat just to get food in my body. For instance, I had no appetite this past Saturday or Sunday, so didn't eat anything between 4 pm on Friday and 11 am on Monday. I had one small meal of liver and fermented vegetables on Monday that probably contained ~800 Calories, and today I had a slightly larger meal of the same with a little home-made bone broth, for a total of ~1000 Calories.

Availability can be challenging for some people. I live in a rural state in the United States and have lots of connections to farmers, so getting high quality food is easy. I also am friends with a couple wild game processors, so during the hunting season I get ~30-50 pounds of back fat taken off deer that were brought in to butcher and freeze it in 1/2 pound portions, then eat it over the year. I also get the fat from bears that are brought in, which I render and store to eat over the year. There are several farmers who raise 100% grass fed cattle, sheep and even goats, so buying organs and bones is easy and inexpensive. I hunt myself, so most of the muscle meat I eat comes from that.

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Re: Dangerous to mix raw meat and processed cooked industrial food?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2013, 10:47:22 am »
I personally have no problem with mixing good-quality raw meats and industrial food.  On the occasions when I've done this, it's never caused me any issues.  However, I have a very low toxin load, because I've been eating 95+% raw for over 12 years now.

People do this in other cultures, though, so I doubt it's that big a problem.

Finding good sources of high-quality raw foods, especially fats, ESPECIALLY animal fats, is often quite difficult, depending on location.  it just takes time.  you can check out eatwild.com for local producers. Also, just asking local hunters/farmers,  people at the local health food stores, etc. can be helpful.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 11:31:57 am »
ESPECIALLY animal fats.

Raw for 3.5 months now, and STILL have trouble getting that YELLOW fat you guys always talk about. The fat I get is white. I don't know why. Pasture raised, 100% grass-fed no hormones/antibiotics, I've been to their farm, they have 150 acres for their cattle to graze, very clean, luscious grass. Always snow white fat.
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Re: Dangerous to mix raw meat and processed cooked industrial food?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2013, 03:30:39 pm »
My usual recommendation is for people to go 100% raw as quickly as possible, especially if they are ill already. Since you cannot stand raw animal foods as yet, you could start cooking your foods and just gradually reduce the cooking temperature by 1 degree every so often until you can eat the foods raw at room-temperature. You should also experiment with lots of different raw animal foods. I, for example, found the taste of raw seafood to be fine as soon as I started the diet, so I ate 90% of my diet in the form of raw seafood and raw, organic fruit with 10% of my diet consisting of raw animal foods I didn`t initially like, so as to get used to the latter.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2013, 08:41:41 pm »
Raw for 3.5 months now, and STILL have trouble getting that YELLOW fat you guys always talk about. The fat I get is white. I don't know why. Pasture raised, 100% grass-fed no hormones/antibiotics, I've been to their farm, they have 150 acres for their cattle to graze, very clean, luscious grass. Always snow white fat.

Some breeds don't have the yellow fat, I think.  Make sure the cows aren't getting any grains, though.

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2013, 03:27:45 am »
I mean like, can I drink soda to my raw meat? Raw milk is illegal here, can I eat pasteurized dairy products with my raw meat, at least until I've gotten fully into it? About body temperature, I don't know, I never get a fever reading no matter how sick I am but I feel feverish, very hot and a bit sickly. Sometimes I get random pains in my body after eating the raw meat as well. Could this be detox? Even though I feel these symptoms I still feel stronger for every bite, like literally. The standard food just makes me weaker, while if I eat a bunch of raw meat and eggs it's almost like I want to go running and that's a huge achievment for someone suffering from chronic fatigue. Also about fasting, I tried doing that but it doesn't work well for me. I've also found that eating too much protein worsens depression and anxiety for me so I'm eating tons of simple carbs right now, it makes me feel a lot better. I've read a bunch about Ray Peat and following his advice my mood is much better but the cooked proteins just weaken me. I can eat several hundred simple plain table sugar mixed in with pasteurized juices and milk. I tried eating the meat without doing that but it worsens anxiety considerably.

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2013, 05:19:35 am »
You probably have systemic candida, and feel feverish because your body is infected.  I would honestly tell you to do cooked paleo if anything, try to get off refined sugars, and onto a whole foods diet.  Include lots of fresh garlic, sauerkraut, unsweetened organic yogurt, a probiotic(would recommend primal defense by garden of life), coconut, egg yolks, liver(even if its cooked), take a multi vitamin as well and possible a digestive enzyme, weanweanwean off sugars, as best possible, include fruit and root veggies if you must, check out marksdailyapple.com its a great resource for cooked paleo.  or thewhole9.com.  do your best to get out into the sunshine and sweat, replenish yourself by drinking as much water as you can and eat seaweed and salt to replenish minerals.  if you drink coffee, stop.  switch to green tea.  if you need to release anxiety, DO IT, also try just laying down if you feel panic or anxious, just force your back to the ground, best if you can get on the earth like a grassy yard.  it will help to signal to your body that everything is okay.  do breathing exercise, figure out what parts of your life you associate with anxiety and see if there isn't something you can change to that. change what you can, what you cant change you must figure out how to change your reaction to.  be patient, be moderate, be consistant, realize this takes time, if you fail try again, if you fail try again, keep trying..be patient.

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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2013, 06:21:37 am »
You probably have systemic candida, and feel feverish because your body is infected.  I would honestly tell you to do cooked paleo if anything, try to get off refined sugars, and onto a whole foods diet.  Include lots of fresh garlic, sauerkraut, unsweetened organic yogurt, a probiotic(would recommend primal defense by garden of life), coconut, egg yolks, liver(even if its cooked), take a multi vitamin as well and possible a digestive enzyme, weanweanwean off sugars, as best possible, include fruit and root veggies if you must, check out marksdailyapple.com its a great resource for cooked paleo.  or thewhole9.com.  do your best to get out into the sunshine and sweat, replenish yourself by drinking as much water as you can and eat seaweed and salt to replenish minerals.  if you drink coffee, stop.  switch to green tea.  if you need to release anxiety, DO IT, also try just laying down if you feel panic or anxious, just force your back to the ground, best if you can get on the earth like a grassy yard.  it will help to signal to your body that everything is okay.  do breathing exercise, figure out what parts of your life you associate with anxiety and see if there isn't something you can change to that. change what you can, what you cant change you must figure out how to change your reaction to.  be patient, be moderate, be consistant, realize this takes time, if you fail try again, if you fail try again, keep trying..be patient.
I had very severe systemic candida a while ago but it pretty much cleared up after doing a 5 day juice fast, took mercolas probiotics and stopped drinking the tap water. I still have candida or something on my feet though. When I say fever like feeling I mean directly after I eat raw meat. I tried cooked low carb high fat and it made me terribly depressed, it seems the more sugar I eat the better my moods are, I think this might be related to undiagnosed low thyroid. Wouldn't green tea be worse because of the high sodium fluoride content? I don't drink coffee but I like coke. Anyways thanks for all the tips.

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2013, 06:56:02 am »
Switching to low carb takes time. IMO it's harder with cooked foods because they are more difficult to digest. It's very exhausting to try and get most of your calories from fat when they are cooked.

Have you tried iodine? I found that to be most energizing for a long time and helped me determine some of my more sensitive foods directly; when I had iodine and a bad food I wouldn't feel as good as iodine plus good food.

Probably a big point for you to start with is getting rid of the refined sugars, especially liquids. Get used to drinking only water. There are ways of fixing your tap water to be very healthy. Boiling a gallon the night before you drink it, a gallon of water a day should be plenty. Then adding back in minerals that are beneficial, sea salt, blue ocean magnesium salt, kelp or dulse. Iodine also negates out fluoride and other heavy metals present in the water.

Personally, I wouldn't drink coke if I was paid. Green tea is worlds better than coke.
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2013, 07:43:12 am »
wait........you are worried about sodium and flouride in green tea and you drink coke?  do you even know what coke is made of? 

that is why I am saying try some cooked paleo, it doesn't have to be low carb, but get away from coke and any refined sugars, keep up with probiotics, try the one I mentioned and dose up on it, try taking a good multivitamin like new chapter brands, they have good bioavailable minerals, k, b, zinc, chromium...

do you have access to a sauna? do you sweat regularly? do you get enough sunshine?

for your feet you might try  calcium bentonite clay.

what other types of stress do you have in your life?  are you working on those? emotional issues can definitely help candida and other infections fester.   

anyway its a process, transition to cooked paleo with whatever carbs you want and butter or yogurt or sour cream, just work towards the best food sources.

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2013, 02:17:18 pm »
Now we have a (would be?) paleodieter who drinks Coke!  ;D

Boiling water and then adding minerals to it, Dr. D??

What else?



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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2013, 04:38:24 pm »
Switching to low carb takes time. IMO it's harder with cooked foods because they are more difficult to digest. It's very exhausting to try and get most of your calories from fat when they are cooked.

Have you tried iodine? I found that to be most energizing for a long time and helped me determine some of my more sensitive foods directly; when I had iodine and a bad food I wouldn't feel as good as iodine plus good food.

Probably a big point for you to start with is getting rid of the refined sugars, especially liquids. Get used to drinking only water. There are ways of fixing your tap water to be very healthy. Boiling a gallon the night before you drink it, a gallon of water a day should be plenty. Then adding back in minerals that are beneficial, sea salt, blue ocean magnesium salt, kelp or dulse. Iodine also negates out fluoride and other heavy metals present in the water.

Personally, I wouldn't drink coke if I was paid. Green tea is worlds better than coke.

I've tried strict low carb and it made me horribly depressed. I've been pretty much fairly low carb except for fruits all my life and that's not the problem. Recently I started added tons of sugar and it makes me feel great. If I feel anxious or depressed I eat spoonfuls of cane sugar mixed in with milk or other beverages and I feel better pretty much instantly. I think Ray Peat mentioned that this could be because of low thyroid function or something. I'm drinking eithe glass bottled mineral water or home distilled water, boiling doesn't fix it for me.
I have to read about iodine a bit, that sounds interesting.

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2013, 04:50:32 pm »
wait........you are worried about sodium and flouride in green tea and you drink coke?  do you even know what coke is made of? 

that is why I am saying try some cooked paleo, it doesn't have to be low carb, but get away from coke and any refined sugars, keep up with probiotics, try the one I mentioned and dose up on it, try taking a good multivitamin like new chapter brands, they have good bioavailable minerals, k, b, zinc, chromium...

do you have access to a sauna? do you sweat regularly? do you get enough sunshine?

for your feet you might try  calcium bentonite clay.

what other types of stress do you have in your life?  are you working on those? emotional issues can definitely help candida and other infections fester.   

anyway its a process, transition to cooked paleo with whatever carbs you want and butter or yogurt or sour cream, just work towards the best food sources.
Coke: carbonated water, sugar, colouring (caramel), phosforic acid, natural aromas (including caffeine)

Seems a lot healther than something that has been shown to lower your IQ in at least 24 studies, causing cancer and hypothyroidism etc.

I don't have a sauna and don't have much sun, hopefully that will change soon. I have tons of emotional issues I don't want to talk about in an open forum. I'll look into the supplements. Thanks.

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2013, 09:07:57 pm »
you need to stop covering up your anxiety issues with sugar and milk, basically you are using the chemical boost from these like a drug, opiates, oxytoxin, serotonin, whatever sugar releases into your brain and body, you are basically drugging yourself.  by adding something like iodine without removing and dealing with emotional issues and bad habits you are not doing yourself  much good, you must get to the root of the issue and focus on changing the emotions and behaviors.  there is no one magic pill, its a difficult process that is totally worth it.

here is all the info you need for the iodine protocol, READ IT ALL https://docs.google.com/document/d/139Xa8u8kgNVT-K17TxYvsM7qsSfusxyvloIXWbU92rg/edit?pli=1

 it has all of the information, start EXTREMELY Low, do it just like its suggested, with all of the co factors, those should help you with emotional issues.  I would suggest you take some zinc and chromium as well, to help with sugar cravings.

if you have a chance to take some time off work or life, like a week or two, to start this transition and to use your time to get away from taking milk and sugar when you are stressed I would highly suggest it. 

your candida is still festering, if it was gone you wouldn't have an outbreak on your foot, you are totally feeding it with the milk and sugar mix.  next time you feel anxious crush a few cloves of garlic and eat those down, and go lay on the ground.
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