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Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« Reply #75 on: June 04, 2014, 09:57:56 am »
CatTreats, how is the rest of his skin?

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« Reply #76 on: June 04, 2014, 05:11:18 pm »
CatTreats, how is the rest of his skin?

We are seeing progress. Finally like REAL REAL progress. His arms are very clear, meaning that aside from his wrists (I think the friction of his long-sleeves for work are impairing healing) his entire upper body is very very good. However, the itch seems to have worsened. I think it might be that heal itch ... you know, when a scab gets crazy itchy as it heals.

Olive oil liver flush #2 is this weekend. We're both anxious to see how it goes. The egg yolk liver flush didn't yield any stones, so I wonder how effective it is compared to the olive oil one. Not that I doubt GS at all, but it's interesting. I also wanted to mention that he has started uropathy about a week ago. So any thoughts about that are welcome. Not sure if it was the liver flush or the uropathy (or both), but it seems like we got a lot of improvement this week.

This is still a tough and slow journey. As long as we see progress though, it helps us from going crazy. It gets tough sleeping in a bed of dead skin ... u_u
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Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2014, 10:01:32 am »
I'm glad things are getting better.

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« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2014, 03:20:16 pm »
The second olive oil flush is complete. A lot of stones came out, and a few really BIG ones too! Kevin had 3 days off of work so he got a lot of rest too. Looks like we got more progress as well. His entire upper body is still dry and it does itch, but it's definitely looking so much clearer.
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Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2014, 04:15:23 pm »
You can start planning how to do diluted orange juice fasting.
Maybe after you have done some 5 liver flushes, try a 1 day diluted orange juice fast, then a 3 day orange juice fast, then a 7 day orange juice fast, and so on.
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Learn how to do a water enema before bed when you do a long fast, you want to evacuate your poop before bed.
Diluted orange juice fast will heal leaky gut.  The longest I did was 14 days.
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« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2014, 04:24:59 am »
You can start planning how to do diluted orange juice fasting.
Maybe after you have done some 5 liver flushes, try a 1 day diluted orange juice fast, then a 3 day orange juice fast, then a 7 day orange juice fast, and so on.
Go to the website of Ask Barefoot on Curezone.com for support.
Learn how to do a water enema before bed when you do a long fast, you want to evacuate your poop before bed.
Diluted orange juice fast will heal leaky gut.  The longest I did was 14 days.

Going so long on just orange juice won't be bad? I'd only be worried about going that long without any animal foods, particularly healing fats, and other nutrients that he needs.
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« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2014, 10:37:03 am »
Going so long on just orange juice won't be bad? I'd only be worried about going that long without any animal foods, particularly healing fats, and other nutrients that he needs.

I would also be worried about that. 

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Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2014, 11:47:11 am »
I modified Barefoot Herbalist MH's orange juice fast for my own boy.  I substitute raw egg yolks for fats.  Lately I even add black salt in the quantities in watercure2.org for the sulfur which should enhance the healing of the gut.

My boy's case included lots of raw duck eggs sometimes with the whites because he had diverticulitis at the same time.  He was on that for 2 weeks. in 2011.

Try out 1 day and 3 days first.  Should be easy.

My boy started having an eczema outbreak again some 10 days ago.  My wife blames the "halo halo" snacks they were eating during the summer and the use of commercial evaporated milk.  Sifu Jen Sam says commercial milk has insane amounts of aluminium.  His personal research found that commercial dairy cows are fed a supplement of aluminium because it separates the fat in their milk easily... haven't verified that claim yet.

My boy is on his 3rd day of this new orange juice fast regimen... so we are both in good company. :)
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« Reply #83 on: June 10, 2014, 11:52:57 am »
The idea behind this type of fast as a healing modality is autophagy. Inducing autophagy with some sort of starvation can help destroy diseased cells faster, on the presumption that the benefit of autophagy outweighs the risk of nutrient loss. Types of fasts that induce autophagy include juicing, urotherapy, master cleanse (the one with lemon juice, maple syrup, and cayenne).

I've used 10-day fasts with enemas to treat problems, and I think autophagy has merit.
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« Reply #84 on: June 10, 2014, 01:10:21 pm »
My boy's case included lots of raw duck eggs sometimes with the whites because he had diverticulitis at the same time.  He was on that for 2 weeks. in 2011.

So it's an orange juice fast but also egg yolks can be eaten?

My boy started having an eczema outbreak again some 10 days ago.  My wife blames the "halo halo" snacks they were eating during the summer and the use of commercial evaporated milk.  Sifu Jen Sam says commercial milk has insane amounts of aluminium.  His personal research found that commercial dairy cows are fed a supplement of aluminium because it separates the fat in their milk easily... haven't verified that claim yet.

I'm sorry to hear that, but at least he's in good hands. Yeah, we had stopped commercial dairy long ago, but no dairy at all not even raw since going full RPD.

My boy is on his 3rd day of this new orange juice fast regimen... so we are both in good company. :)

I hope it goes well. I imagine that would be so hard to have it gone and then have it come back .... u_u

The idea behind this type of fast as a healing modality is autophagy. Inducing autophagy with some sort of starvation can help destroy diseased cells faster, on the presumption that the benefit of autophagy outweighs the risk of nutrient loss. Types of fasts that induce autophagy include juicing, urotherapy, master cleanse (the one with lemon juice, maple syrup, and cayenne).

I've used 10-day fasts with enemas to treat problems, and I think autophagy has merit.

Oh I have heard of that.

Would it be advised to go full orange juice or to have egg yolk as well? How much egg yolk is allowed?

Neither of us have any experience with enemas. How do we start?
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« Reply #85 on: June 13, 2014, 11:41:30 pm »
I'd like to share a little of my experience regarding recovery progress.

I call it the "Zero Progress Period"

This goes for both direction of good dietary/ healing measures, or bad diet.

For example: It'd take me a while for my body to act up and flare up, if I go with a SAD, or just plain junk.

On the other hand, it'll take me about 3-6 months to see progress, even if i do everything perfect.

From experience, since the outcomes isn't measureable right away, many people just give up during the zero progress period. (Depends from person to person)

Keep on going, I can see that you guys are in good hands of GS.

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« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2014, 05:28:48 am »
Thank you. It's only been about 2.5 months now, so the fact that we're seeing progress is a good thing.

It gets very tough without visible progress because of how uncomfortable this whole situation is. I really just hope some of the internal problems (cold sensitivity, lack of energy, etc) will be getting better soon. Everyday is a challenge for him.
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Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2014, 08:25:00 am »
Please ask Badboy for his coffee enema techniques.  I do coffee enemas too when needed.  And my boy has done those in the past.  It's just that liver is not the problem of my boy thus egg yolk liver flushes are enough for my boy.

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Here's some inspiration for you.  My boy's 2014 eczema cure progress. After some 2 weeks ago was the worst time.  3 weeks ago his eczema began.

My son just finished his 5th day of diluted orange juice fasting + salt (in watercure2.org proportions) and raw duck egg yolks.  He had pain in his loins and seems he again had the negative gram bacteria of old so we used the same Fucidic Acid on his loins and that stopped it.

I also had him do 2 bath tub treatment with epsom salts, chamomile tea, and sodium bicarbonate.

He also had 3 oil enemas.  1 with vco, 2 with evoo.  Later he should have a 4th oil enema. He has a history of diverticulitis.

Eczema at the back of his knees and ankle had stopped weeping and itching are now scabs and fresh scars.

This morning I allowed him to eat other fruits and later will allow for some raw fish to break his fast.  But he will still continue to drink and have salt in the watercure2.org proportions.  Raw fish is planned for 1 week. 

The following week I may start giving him raw red meat... and after a few days start searing them steaks for a few seconds to allow him to get back into a mode where he can eat some cooked meat at times for socials.

He has designated Thursdays as his intermittent fasting day.

He just turned 13.
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« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2014, 08:31:50 pm »
... He also had 3 oil enemas.  1 with vco, 2 with evoo.  Later he should have a 4th oil enema. He has a history of diverticulitis. ...
GS, Four enemas in a single day? Why so many enemas? How many enemas do you give him in  a year, roughly? Is this the same boy who has had eczema for years?
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Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2014, 01:54:21 am »
GS, Four enemas in a single day? Why so many enemas? How many enemas do you give him in  a year, roughly? Is this the same boy who has had eczema for years?

Those are 4 separate days. 1 oil enema per day.
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« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2014, 02:41:26 am »
I see. Eczema has been linked to GI bacteria deficiencies/imbalances, so I wonder if too much "cleansing" might be counterproductive in the longer run, flushing out beneficial bacteria?

Halo halo sweets look like exactly the sort of thing that would trigger skin issue flareups for me. Canned evaporated milk is heated much higher than ordinary pasteurized milk.
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Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2014, 03:05:50 am »
My son's issue had always been diverticulitis. (plus leaky gut)  The oil enema purpose is just to get at the crevices of each pocket of diverticulitis and escort out the stuck poop.  We are watching out for that limit.  We use mainly evoo so it is not so anti-candida as vco.  His first oil enema was vco, the next 3 were olive oil.  My boy is in charge of telling us if he feels there is some success with dislodging poop from a possible pocket.  We are running on his "feel" of the situation.

My wife had most of the halo halo ingredients home made to satisfy the kids' cultural enjoyment of the hot summer.  We were pushing for raw coconut milk but the kids liked evaporated milk instead (the maids bought evaporated milk for themselves).  A disadvantage of having maids.
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« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2014, 08:31:32 am »
Diverticiulitis and leaky gut are also linked to the GI microbiome. While I don't wish to prescribe and it's early yet and the science is not well-threshed-out, accumulating evidence appears to suggest that the notion of "cleansing" is actually counterproductive in the longer run--that what most people really need is more good bacteria in their guts, rather than less stuff, and that the notion of a clean and sterile gut being healthy is misguided:

The Microbiome and Diverticulitis: A New Target for Medical Therapy?

There are some reported risks with excessive cleansing:
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I hear you on the maids. Maybe we can come up with a better halo halo for your son that doesn't contain certain of the reported common ingredients like evaporated milk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo-halo). How is this for a start:

shaved ice
cultured/fermented milk
white beans, mung beans, and/or garbanzos (boiled and cooled overnight)
home-made bone broth gelatin
fruits: sugar palm fruit (kaong), coconut cream, dried somewhat-ripened plantains, jackfruit (langkâ), gulaman, tapioca, nata de coco, sweet potato (kamote), cheese, pounded crushed young rice (pinipig)

It at least seems to be healthier than the reported ingredients. Perhaps you could improve on that, if you wish.
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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2014, 02:52:05 am »
Today is the morning after the 4th liver flush. Lots of tiny stones in his first bowel movement of today. Awful smell.

We have no way to get unpasteurized orange juice. Without a juicer, is it okay for us to blend whole oranges (without peel or seeds) and then strain the liquid from it? Should we include egg yolks, and if so, how much and can they be eaten whenever?

I'll start looking into the enemas. I'm still unsure myself how you do them to be honest.

What we're noticing is that the day after the liver flush and through a few days after, he feels so much better. But he deteriorates and things worsen on the 6th and 7th day (the day that we do the next flush).


I wanted to ask about sleep twitching / spasms. He does it a LOT. Never did before, but since his eczema got this bad, he would have twitches constantly through the night and sometimes full muscle spasms. It can range between every 5 seconds to every minute, then sometimes not at all. Some nights it's a lot, some nights there's hardly any. Just felt like mentioning it.
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« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2014, 07:42:26 am »
Eating high-fat and low-carb will help control the spasms. As far as blending the oranges, that works fine.

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« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2014, 08:00:15 am »
Eat the egg yolks separately.

The spasms are an important clue to his health.
Are the spasms painful?
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« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2014, 08:53:24 am »
I wanted to ask about sleep twitching / spasms. He does it a LOT. Never did before, but since his eczema got this bad, he would have twitches constantly through the night and sometimes full muscle spasms. It can range between every 5 seconds to every minute, then sometimes not at all. Some nights it's a lot, some nights there's hardly any. Just felt like mentioning it.[/size]
Wow, every 5 seconds is a lot of spams. Does the fact that it never happened before seem troubling at all to you? What do you think might be causing them?
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« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2014, 10:40:17 am »
The spasms are an important clue to his health.
Are the spasms painful?

He said never pain at all. He is usually completely asleep, but he said sometimes he can feel it. But no, no pain at all.

Wow, every 5 seconds is a lot of spams. Does the fact that it never happened before seem troubling at all to you? What do you think might be causing them?

Yeah, it can be that often, but usually only goes for maybe 2-3 minutes that often and then stops. It's not throughout the night, usually happens off and on the first hour he falls asleep. But he will wake up often in the night, so everytime he is going back to sleep, it starts up.

I'm not actually concerned, but I wanted to mention it because it started when the eczema got this bad. That, and it can be hard sleeping next to someone having spasms. u_u I have no idea what is causing it.
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« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2014, 11:03:09 am »
Could the twitches be this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk
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>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
Beware of problems from chronic Very Low Carb

 

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