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Is wild food actually healthier?
« on: August 10, 2014, 04:52:06 am »
A buddy of mine is convinced that eating wild food that grows naturally around the area you live in is healthier for you.  Is this true?

He also talks of local foods being better and being in tune with the season but....


things like kale, and broccoli , and bannanas are not even really real... They are artificially selected foods made better by humans.  Is this bad or is this just mumbo jumbo.  because I pretty much eat all the organic fruit and vegetables regardless of "artificial selection"

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 05:13:21 am »
You seem to be all over the place with your question. Define wild.

Do you mean to include cultigens that are not sown by human hands? I get unsown watermelon from seeds that have been spat out by the children.

Or non-cultigens?

Or native plants?
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 06:47:55 am »
Sorry

Is wild food better actually healthier for you than organic store bough or farmers market food?
since most food at stores and market has been bread to taste better and is different than wild food

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Artificial Selection.  Kale, Broccoli, Cabbage.... Are all members of the same family which humans artificially selected to become what they are over time...(They are all members of the mustard green family) There are many other foods like this too.. Tons of different varieties of apples, and other fruits that dont exist in the wild, but humans have created.  Are these foods healthy to eat?

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 08:25:49 am »
That's a big question. The short answer is that food quality is at least as important as its "wildness".  Soil quality is extremely important in determining plant health, for instance. Wild food from very poor soil is not as good as cultivated food from very high quality soil, roughly speaking.

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 11:56:16 am »
Soil quality is MOST important! If the soil does not contain the right minerals, the food grown on that soil will be deficient in nutrients.

Also, before you poo-poo artificial selection, remember that it mimics natural selection, which operates based on climate and other natural factors. Grown side-by-side in rich soil, a wild mustard and a cultigen such as broccoli will uptake the nearly the same nutrients, but the broccoli will also display some traits that have been favored through cultigenesis. You may not be in favor of certain traits, as I am not fond of the trend to select fruits and vegetables for extreme sweetness, but cultigens are not less food-like because of human intervention in the selection process.
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 06:25:49 pm »
A buddy of mine is convinced that eating wild food that grows naturally around the area you live in is healthier for you.  Is this true?

He also talks of local foods being better and being in tune with the season but....


things like kale, and broccoli , and bannanas are not even really real... They are artificially selected foods made better by humans.  Is this bad or is this just mumbo jumbo.  because I pretty much eat all the organic fruit and vegetables regardless of "artificial selection"

Well, to me it is clear your friend is right. If you look at the Nature, everything has its seasons, and animals eat what is in season where they live. This is a basic rule.. and it all has their reasons. If yo dig deeper you can find all the answers WHY. I have, after just instinctively getting closer to eat more and more wild and local because it just made me feel better, learned so much about it why that is what we should be doing if we want optimal health. Mind blowing stuff!

This neurosurgeon has helped me a lot to understand it scientifically. It is tough reading, but so worth it

http://jackkruse.com/

It is not going to be convenient and easy maybe... but no regrets  ;).

Just need to add one thing to this, our human brains evolved through seafood.. so you will have to live close to water too - very important. We need DHA for our special human brains.
Hard to get enough DHA from land animals only, if you maybe do not get lots of raw brains to eat.....
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 06:59:09 pm »
I prefer to eat raw wild foods  whenever possible.
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 08:23:43 pm »
This neurosurgeon has helped me a lot to understand it scientifically. It is tough reading, but so worth it

http://jackkruse.com/
Well, I tried to read a bit of his interminable gibberish here http://jackkruse.com/organization-structural-failure-8-ketosis-appears-fail/
Sorry to be frank Inger. We know he’s your guru since you always refer to him, but that’s not science: it’s unreadable verbose and absurd nonsense to anyone who remembers some elementary notions of physics. Somewhere in his pseudoscientific tortuous verbiage, there’s a wise phrase however: 
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge.” He should self-apply it!

See:
http://carbsanity.blogspot.pt/2012/03/quantum-bullshit.html
http://carbsanity.blogspot.pt/2012/04/you-pcs-vs-jack-kruse-md-dds.html 
http://paleodrama.tumblr.com/post/29966942598/kruse-lies
http://paleohacks.com/questions/129489/paleo-guru-credibility-jack-kruse-suspended-by-neu.html

That said, I agree it's better to eat wild foods, their taste is stronger and better as long as they suit our needs. We tend to eat too much cultivated fruits and livestock meat.
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 09:32:42 pm »

That said, I agree it's better to eat wild foods, their taste is stronger and better as long as they suit our needs. We tend to eat too much cultivated fruits and livestock meat.


hahahaha...... Francois you cannot stop trying to turn Jack down, no?  ;) It just do not work with me...lol
If you was to read all the bullshit on the net and believe it, i feel sorry for you. Bullying never suited me and i run away from anything that smells like it - sorry  ;)
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 10:23:03 pm »
Inger.  Are you actually eating wild?   WIld foods would be food native to where you live.  So food that grows in the wild by you may not actually be "wild".   It may be a random tree or bush planted there buy man 100's or thousand of years ago... WId would mean food that is actually native to the region you are from...You would have to alot of research to eat "wild"... and then it still might not be right because of your ancestry.. If a person is European living in South America eating local foods... how would the jive with your body?

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Re: Jack Kruse
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 10:34:33 pm »
I never believe what I read, Inger, I always doubt. I first tried to read that page from your guru Jack Kruse and found out what I wrote about it. Then I searched if others had the same view, to be reassured that there are some sensible people on this planet...   The pages I linked show that I'm not alone, fortunately!  :)
Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 10:48:16 pm »
Inger.  Are you actually eating wild?   WIld foods would be food native to where you live.  So food that grows in the wild by you may not actually be "wild".   It may be a random tree or bush planted there buy man 100's or thousand of years ago... WId would mean food that is actually native to the region you are from...You would have to alot of research to eat "wild"... and then it still might not be right because of your ancestry.. If a person is European living in South America eating local foods... how would the jive with your body?

The most important thing to do is to eat the stuff seasonal to where you live. No matter if you are not native to there. Because it has to do with the sun. Where is lots of sun and carbs grow naturally, we can eat them, because our body needs sunshine to process carbs without them hurting us (this will not work if you live around the equator and a unnatural life with lots of non native EMF)
Just go to the Nature, she will give you the answers. Merciless;)

My main staple food these days are wild oysters picked by myself along the shore.. and wild caught herring and mackerel.. and wild herbs and berries from my surroundings.
I am not 100% wild tho, I do eat some grassfed heart and fat too and sometimes local organic veggies like cucumber, and I even eat raw Nuts, i prefer Hazelnuts - they grow here too, wild.
But my main food sources are wild. And i could practically live very well from them only if I just was a hunter, because I crave saturated fat too at times and that is why I always have grassfed beef fat in my fridge, I just eat it plain like a pastry..yum But I eat it only occasionally.


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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 10:50:02 pm »
I never believe what I read, Inger, I always doubt. I first tried to read that page from your guru Jack Kruse and found out what I wrote about it. Then I searched if others had the same view, to be reassured that there are some sensible people on this planet...   The pages I linked show that I'm not alone, fortunately!  :)

Great Francois.... I do not care if I am alone tho, not at all..... lol
i have read those bully links of yours long ago my friend and they are trash IMHO  ;)

if you do not stop calling Jack my guru I will come down faster than fast and I do not know what I will do to you  :o
you might regret it, or NOT (depends on the figs....)
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 11:00:30 pm »
Come while there are still figs, then!  :)  If you're late it'll be cherimoyas, arbutus, etc...
Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 12:16:37 am »
Things like cucumbers and bananas which are too of my favorite foods are not even natural in the wild..  Wild cucumbers and wild banana plants are damn near inedible.  So it confuses me when it comes to eating foods that aren't made through Artificial Selection.   So I continue to wonder if artificial selection was bad or it is beneficial.

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2014, 12:52:36 am »
This has been extensively discussed and addressed several times before, for example here: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/explain-instincto-diet-fully-2/msg41628/#msg41628
Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2014, 01:29:42 am »
Whether domesticated plant foods are better than wild ones depends on your reasons for eating. If your singular goal is to consume the most nutrient dense, medicinally active foods possible, then you should eat the roots, stems, leaves and fruit of wild plants. If, on the other hand, your singular goal is to satisfy your sweet tooth, then domesticated plant foods - particularly cultivated fruits - will suit you better. I'm admittedly setting up something of a false dichotomy here; we can eat for nourishment sometimes and eat for sweet tastes at other times, using a mix of wild and cultivated plants.

In general, plants have been bred to remove their bitterness and increase their sweetness. The compounds that make plants bitter often have either nutritional or medicinal value, so removing the bitterness diminishes the value of eating plants. Lettuce is a prime example; the wild ancestor of today's cultivated lettuces is prickly lettuce, a wild plant with a quite bitter taste that most people find unpalatable but is, in fact, both nutritious and very medicinal. Through decades of breeding, we've turned prickly lettuce into iceberg and other lettuces, which are mild of flavor, are largely devoid of nutrition and have zero medicinal value. They're basically crunchy water.

In my personal experience, fruits that have been bred for sweetness cause me to eat too much, leading to blood sugar issues, tooth enamel damage and sometimes reinforcing a sugar or carb addiction more generally. I don't have this problem when eating wild fruits, like wild blueberries or strawberries, because these fruits have plenty of plant secondary compounds that trigger the 'enough' sensation and prevent me from eating more than a hand full.
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier? Wild Ocean Food is!
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2014, 07:23:01 am »
Wild ocean food is usually better... choose fresh.

In fact, when I buy our aquatic animal food I make it a point to avoid farmed fish like milk fish, tilapia, dory, cat fish.

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2014, 02:33:51 pm »
Generally wild is radically superior however especially ocean food which I believe is probably the healthiest food there is. However land food grown using natural principals would be superior as the wild we experience in the modern world is far  away from a true wild, most of the soil and herb base is destroyed throughout much of the planet.
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2014, 06:05:30 pm »
i like how this forum has individuals that think different and gives different advice. It is makes it all very colorful and not a black and white matter.
Because life is by far not black and white  :)

I think we go along pretty nicely despite our differences  :)

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2014, 06:09:35 am »
I still will never understand... isnt EVERYTHING hybrid or modified???    Lemons are a cross between a citron and a an orange so are they not good?...  Melons have all been bread to enhance taste...  everything is so confusing

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2014, 06:54:41 am »
Everything cultivated is hybrid, some cultivated plants have also been genetically modified. Wild plants are the result of long-term evolutionary processes, so developed to fill niches rather than to satisfy our sweet tooths.
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 07:13:52 am »
so lemons , cantaloupe, celery, is all hybrid? etc..

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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2014, 08:43:52 am »
Yes, lemons, cantaloupe, celery have all been selectively bred for many decades to create the commercial varieties you buy in a store. They barely resemble their wild counterparts, if at all. Commercial varieties have been bred so far that most cannot survive a growing season without help from humans. They would die from inadequate water, fertilizer or other nutrient, or they would be devoured by insect pests that their wild counterparts could resist.
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Re: Is wild food actually healthier?
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2014, 03:38:19 pm »
ahahah so after some research.. Berries are pretty much the same they have always been!

Then is it unhealthy to be eating watermelon and celery and all these hybridized, artificially bred foods?

 

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