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New to RPD, some questions !
« on: November 12, 2014, 07:04:41 am »
Hi! i'm "from" argentina, so, english is not my nature language, i will try my best.

i have a question regarding getting the best diet i can, since the place i am now.
i can barely get totally grass fed beef, they use to raise them in grass and finish them on grains, or totally feedlot beef.
sometimes i can get wild game bones, meat or organs, but very rarely. (once 2 months mb some!)
i can get eggs that are free range , but their diet is complemented with corn (surely GMO corn..) i cant get any eggs free range and grass fed totaly..
i can get honey, pure honey with the wax and so.
about the milk, i was trying some raw cow but the diet of the cow is also complemented with grains (wheat and corn mostly) and it was not very good to me (acne)
i have access to many fruits and vegetables, but there is no "organic" market here, is all the same, so i am growing vegetables in my garden right now.
so.. the question is.. what is the safest diet i can have? i feel very confused.. cause i can't get the real healthy foods (grass fed meats eggs and so) but i want to have a diet that at least does not kill myself! i want to heal too.. doing a little fast every day, eating really low.
i'm 1,80 mts tall and weight 62 kg , i'm "skinny"
can u help with some advice pls? i would really apreciate it! also if you have some pdf books of aajonus i would like to have it, i dont have a job (i'm getting eggs working on the farm and mostly working for the food)
my appendix was taken out (surgery) , and right now, i feel like "bubbles" on the area when i press there, and a very little pain and disconfort.. must i be worried?
i had been eating (in the last 5 days) like 2 avocados a day (thanks to my friend that has this big tree and he hates avocados haha its been 6 months of free avocados ) , tomatos, olive oil, frozen fish (little) , raw beef meat (round steak), raw eggs (2 a day) , oranges, bananas, apples, pears, and salad of cabbage carrot and radish with sauerkraut.
ok, its more long that i wanted to :P
thanks in advance!
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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 03:23:28 pm »
Are you anywhere near the coast?  If so, raw wildcaught seafood might be an option.

I do not speak Spanish so cannot help you there. However, in the past, I would simply google online checking under "grassfed meat farms" in my local area, and then get the raw grassfed meat delivered direct to my home. Other possibilities include local farmers' markets. There also must be online organic food directories in Argentina which list grassfed meat farms and where they are situated.

I am surprised that you cannot find farms selling 100% grassfed meats. I mean, Argentina is supposed to be one of the few countries which are proud of selling the stuff en-masse. I remember one British emigre boasting about how his cattle in Argentina were wholly devoid of BSE and other diseases simply because they were not fed on grains at all and because they were not so inbred(Europeans and Americans foolishly kill most of the bulls for meat and allow one bull to artificially inseminate thousands of cows, which is disastrous as a breeding policy).
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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 03:42:19 pm »
Welcome to the forum. Sometimes it takes a lot of looking to find food sources that are really good. Maybe you can find some smaller farms that still raise cattle the old way, or switch to smaller animals like lamb or goat.
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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 03:51:54 pm »
Welcome, Ciervo-chaman !

If you can get wild game meat once every other month, it’s fine: I don't get meat more often than you, or even more seldom. Big chunks of meat can be kept 2 months hung in a fridge. You can also rely on seafood, as TD suggests. Forget about the eggs if the fowls receive wheat and GMO corn, probably hot died too. Dairy isn’t paleo, avoid it totally unless you are completely starving for lack of any other food!

Fruits, nuts and veggies don’t have to be necessarily organic. Try to find a farmer’s market where some appear more natural than in supermarkets, even if some conventional plant foods from supermarkets may be acceptable. Make sure the nuts haven’t been hot dried, though.

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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 03:53:46 pm »
Just do your best with what you have!

Taste and taste and look and look.  You will eventually stumble onto the food sources as you go along.  And you might run into the organic Argentinians who can give you a boost.

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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2014, 08:21:18 am »
HI! thanks a lot for your answers, i really apreciate them!

i'm in Entre Rios, i will tell you a little bit about this place.
i was talking with a veterinary, he told me that all animals that must pass the supervision of the food industry, are , or feedlot, or finished on grains, there are no animals that aren't made this way, its a matter of money, its too much difference for them finishim the animals with grains (a lot more weight and supposedly no bad health effects)
i was searching on the internet, but i wasn't able to find grass-fed buy stores or directions, barely 2 articles talking a little about the advantages of the fat of grass fed. people here buy feedlot cause is more tender and tasty, and if a butcher brings grass-fed nobody buy them, so all butchers had ended buying just feedlot. i was talking with one that told me that he was bringin in his truck a cow just killed to put it on sell on his market, but the police caught him and so cause no papers and no killed on habilitated place (mataderos) , it was a grass fed cow, so.. as you see.. even when they try to sell grass fed the police is in between trying to avoid ahhah =(

i live "far" from the sea (300 km) but near many rivers (all rivers near fields of corn and soy [90%] with glifosato [roundup] sprayed on them.. so..) i don't know if there is too much danger cause of it?
this place is almost all covered with corn and soy growings, some are with cows, and some with chickens (confined, in cages mostly)
i remember now that some people that i know are raising sheeps, and i think they just eat grass... i had forgoten of them! wow i will go to visit them when the roads are dry again.

nuts here are sold with shells, they produce a lot here too. so they are not SO expensive (like 7 dollars a kilo, how much is in your area?-pecan nuts-)
the wild game i get, is the leftovers (bones and organs, just the meat that is sticked to the bones) from deer mostly, sometimes wild boar.
one can survive on just meat, if this meat is wild? or sheep for expample?
i will continue with the egs until i can work for this meat.
even if the milk is cheap, i will avoid it.. (0.90 dollar / litre)
i got two boards of honey today, i started to eat but i noticed that i can't stand too much of it now as before, just a few spoons were enough

i got to sleep at 10:00 pm last night, and woke up several times but finnally get up at 12:00 am today (14 hs of sleep). i didnt feel like eating anything not even moving, just listening to my internal body sounds and sleeping, i feel a lot better today, not pain in my abdominal-right area. 

well im a lot less confused right now, i think i have to get a work or try to get farms on where i can work in exchange for the food they produce. it will not be hard, i just have to look around a little bit more.

tanks a lot!

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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2014, 12:51:47 pm »
so by now i know i can get these foods that are tottaly "healthy" : wild game (deer), sheep (whole one), honeycomb, fresh river fish (i dont know about the pesticide on the river..) plum tomatoes lettuce zuccini avocados grapes (and other fruits vegetables) from my garden/friends gardens.. 

do i need to drink water on a diet high in meats? i'm eating a lot of fruits and vegg to avoid drinking water from the city, it has chloride and fluor.

i'm thinkin on selling veggies until i can have money enough to buy one whole sheep, i'm craving meat like crazy since i tasted raw beef (i didnt care i didnt know where it came from, it tasted delicious and enjoyed it a lot...)
it seems like some animals actually are grass fed, and not grain finished, but there are not any labels or anything to know what was the cows diet

if i take pictures of the meat, can you at least guide me if this is a good or a bad one?

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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2014, 01:06:03 pm »
it seems like some animals actually are grass fed, and not grain finished, but there are not any labels or anything to know what was the cows diet

Don't worry, even with all the labeling laws where I live, I still have to ask questions and often visit the farm before I get information I can rely on.
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Re: New to RPD, some questions !
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2014, 07:43:35 am »
I'm also from Argentina (Buenos Aires city) and just started this diet, and facing the same challenges. With all of the political changes that happened over the last 15 years, meat quality has been destroyed here. Because of all the export restrictions and price controls on local selling of meat, meat subsidies for feed lots, as well as controls on currency conversion and fixed exchange rates that have a 50% difference from the real rate, what was once all pasture raised, high quality meats are now all grain fed sick meat. Whatever high quality meats still exist are mostly exported and billed at about the same price as the low quality stuff that is sold locally, with most of the real payment being done under the table to avoid super high tariffs and taxation (that can add up to 90%); or they're sold locally in the black market.

There is a small developing market for organic fruits and vegetables (and I have my doubts about them being really organic, and not just regular branded as organic), but not for meat. Good quality eggs are hard to find but you can find some that are ok, relatively easy (free-range, pastured raised supplemented with GMO corn, like chaman said). Raw honey is impossible to get unless you know a bee keeper from what I can tell. Most people have never even heard of it, everybody just heats the honey during extraction because it makes it flow much quicker. Raw milk or any dairy products are even harder to find, since it's illegal to sell or purchase them.

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