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Offline Ungullible

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 I must reckon : as a former altar boy, I falsely  assumed  my catholic literacy to be good enough to avoid myself the hassle of delving into catholic treatises,  in my hunt for the origin of instinctive dieting. I was wrong.

 I finally found the proof that the historical development of instinctive dieting is part and parcel of the catholic tradition. This is a major discovery.

The text was written by a  french catholic  theologian before the XVIIIth century  ( before the   "Enlightenment")  and includes :

1- an elaborate   defense of our natural senses, and the importance of abiding by them. 

4 - an indictment  of  physicians and spiritual directors

2- a defense of raw meat  " if we don't find any agreable taste in raw meat , it must be due to the fact that our tongue has become insensitive to moderate flavors"    ( I'm rephrasing a bit here :  a mere translation would make the text  unreadable because of the peculiar vocabulary ). Before that paragraph, the theologian had written on the obliteration of  the discerning capacity of our senses  by the consumption of highly prepared meats and sophisticated meals.   

3- an attack on cereals  : "we wouldn't eat too much cereals if we were to grind them  with our own teeth"

The motto of this text is  " Our senses only correspond to  the natural order of things, as established by God "

As far as I'm concerned, this extraordinary text is the earliest text in french  containing  points  1-2-3  in the same "treatise". It certainly must be considered as a founding book on our topic, even though there are a few mistakes  here and there (  we are talking about a book published when le Roi Soleil was the king of France, so pardon me ! ).

The problem of this book is that it does not appear in any bibliography of the history of medicine or hygienism (nor do I remember having seen it in bibliography of the history of anti-medical thought) .  As I wrote before , this is what makes this history extremely difficult to put together : not only you have to delve into all fields of enquiry, but you also have to go back to the original texts ( and not trust secondary litterature... )



"De tous les animaux, l'homme est celui qui se sert le moins de son instinct ; et pourtant c'est celui qui est le plus malade" (  un doyen de la Faculté de Médecine de Paris, un demi-siècle avant la naissance de Sarkozy )

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Oh for the love of God.

(See what I did there? I made a funny)

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Interesting, Well there's another thing the catholic church and mr. burger have in common.
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You mean "another thing in common with some  catholic prelates ? "  :)


This theologian  is not really what you would call a complete stranger. Even though he is not known to the average educated man/woman , his name is a "household name" in philosophical & theological  circles around the world, and not only in France. 

This prompted me to check in the abundant secondary litterature related to his works  to see  if any second-rank philosopher had ever spotted the  originality of his hygienic standpoint.  But so far I haven't found a single enlightened comment on this matter !
Not a single one. Amazing, given that the paleo idea has been around for quite a bit of time.

Of course if you are not familiar with raw paleo, you may read the whole thing as a mere bunch of desultory and  outdated  remarks. But once you read this piece with "paleo glasses", you cannot help but think that this guy is simply 500 years ahead of his time........

And you start thinking :

"What the hell have all our fucking scientists been doing in the meantime to make so little progress......? Just count the layers of crap which they  have  dumped on this hygienic tradition,   so that no one  dares to take a serious look on the matter !"

To be fair,  on second thought, it  seems  the same can be said of the various christian churches : "what the hell have they done  in the meantime to clarify this all important  matter ?"   

The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind........




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No I meant exactly what I said.

It seems as though you didnt understand that I am referring to the catholic church and burgers shared interest in "child sexuality"
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Hey, I can't tell if you hate GCB or not.

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I hate pedophiles so yes.

I dont hate the instincto diet but disapprove of it as I am against anything above minimal fruit consumption.

I hate standard poison diet and veganism/vegetarianism. Instincto I only dislike.
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Mammoth hunter

When you say " I'm against anything above minimal fruit consumption" , just think about the results of Clara Davis experiments on newly weaned 

Their favorite food was , by decreasing order of importance in total calories  consumed

Fruit
Eggs
Glandular organs
Meat and other animal products
Vegetables and cereals occupying only a minor part. 
There was no industrial sugar or sugary products
As for salt as far as I remember,  sea salt was proposed separately ( never added or mixed with other foodstuffs ).
This was the self selected diet of children raised in Chicago.

So unless you live in the canadian forest, you 'd better reconsider your views on the place of  fruits in human diet

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I am 100% sure that fruit is everyones favorite food. If I didnt control myself my diet would probably be about 50% fruit or more.

I put little value towards what feels good at the moment in terms of whats healthy. I put my value in what feels healthy long term and although no matter how much fruit I eat it still tastes great but the more i eat the more symptoms I get such as digestive issues, lack of craving for animal foods, aching joints, and most notably irritability.

If we all followed our instincts and lived near poppy fields we would just eat those all day because it feels great but our bodies and survival capabilities will suffer greatly.
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"no matter how much fruit I eat it still tastes great"

Your words are betraying  the most "classical"  mistake of budding instinctive eaters who did not receive  a proper hands-on introduction to instinctive eating :

the decision of eating / not eating fruits MUST ABSOLUTELY be made by the sense of smell  and  not by tasting.

Reason is :  fruits (and many other edible foods )  will most often taste attractive EVEN WHEN  their smell goes unnoticed




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What makes you think I dont smell my food before eating it?

Even with meat and dairy, I always smell to make sure its bacterially active having been out of the fridge long enough.
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