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General Discussion / What Does the Bible Say About Eating Vegetables?
« on: September 29, 2018, 11:14:32 pm »
I'm not a big bible fan but I was thinking about it and wondering. Seems like the only thing they weren't supposed to eat before they were kicked out of the garden of Eden was a vegetable or if you're being more particular a fruit. And there is also suppose do be something in there about eating pork; but didn't that come later?

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General Discussion / Discussion: At what temperature is food still raw?
« on: September 27, 2018, 06:40:17 am »
I've read that food is still considered raw as long as it is not cooked over anywhere between 105 degrees F. and as high as 118 degrees depending on who you ask. Since I got my new sous vide cooker I can control the temperature within increments of half a degree. Raw salmon skin is like eating leather but today's salmon skin at 109.9 degrees F. was tender and chewable.  Though the beef looked raw it was nice not to eat something cold and stiff right out of the refrigerator.

I know I can set beef out in the sun and it will cook much hotter than the 109.9 degrees from my sous vide cooker and there's no doubt in my mind that our paleo ancestors ate meat that was "cooked from the sun"

What temperature do you guys think that food is cooked at and how is it degraded from those temperatures?

On a side note I also feel that food soaked in vinegar or lemon juice seems cooked. What do you guys think about that? I don't know why but I really like the sour taste of it that way. I often wonder if I crave meat soaked in lemon juice as a form of substitution from when meat gets rotten because it develops a similar sour taste. Though in my mind spoiled meat is something to avoid. Maybe it's something I need to get over but I been eating raw for several years and still I have an aversion to spoiled meat...


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General Discussion / Raw Food Diets: Myths & Realities
« on: September 03, 2018, 11:52:44 am »



Raw Food Diets: Myths & Realities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQaMNa6Z7sg

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With the exception of one cup of black coffee a day and possibly some supplements (and a little  raw corn on the cob) I have gone back to 100% raw (and paleo). I want to find a source of raw caffeine and then reevaluate whether or not I should be taking anything with caffeine in it at all.

To be honest I feel so good right now I wonder if I should be considering changing my diet. I felt really good the same time last year when I was on 100% raw paleo and my experimenting with a little cooked food led me back to eating mostly cooked food supplementing my diet with raw organ meats. At first I felt really good going back to a little cooked food but I'm pretty sure cooking is an addiction and it led to me feeling achy even though I was supposedly eating very healthy. If it ain't broke don't fix it is a pretty good motto to live by and perhaps I should keep doing what I am doing till I get some sort of indication something isn't quite right. The only negative thing I've noticed is that I'm not quite as strong in the gym as I used to be, (Could that be because I am detoxifying?) but at the same time I feel better than I've ever felt before. Funny I was at my strongest when I was eating a little less than half my foods raw, gorging on bloody rare steaks and cooked kale and tripe but the diet didn't hold and soon I felt it betrayed me. It's been a month or two since I went totally raw again and there is no clue of betrayal in sight...

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Health / Biofilm: The key to survival for stubborn pathogens!
« on: August 19, 2018, 12:22:44 pm »
I started a biofilm thread on another forum and it got zero interest. I've read a lot about it and I've become convinced that it is the cause of virtually all stubborn illnesses. Diseases that are easy to kill become nearly impossible once they are able to establish a biofilm to live in. If you guys are interested I will post my findings here. Otherwise I will just continue researching and experimenting on my own!

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Science / Betaine for working out and for weak stomach acid
« on: June 16, 2018, 10:21:19 pm »
There are two types of betaine, the TMG form and the HCL form.

I used to love taking TMG. It made me feel great, was supposed to detoxify me and helped with my workouts; but I had to stop taking it because it gave me bad breath.

A few days ago on a whim I ordered some Betaine HCL. It's not as popular in the body building community and it's common usage is for weak stomach acid and promoting digestion. As soon as I ordered it I regretted my decision and thought about what the TMG did to my breath and how I already drink tons of Apple Cider Vinegar and eat tons of lemons.

The HCL arrived last night and I took quite a bit of it. IT'S VERY ACID! Upon awakening this morning my lungs and sinuses feel clear of mucus. My joints and muscles also feel way less stiff! My only concern is that it will give me bad breath or that I may not be able to handle the acid but I seem to crave the acid just like vinegar and lemons. In fact my digestion feels like it's on fire and that I  have the digestion of a 20 year old!

I googled HCL and bad breath and instead of causing it one person claimed that betaine HCL got rid of it.

Too early to tell. But this just might be what I been needing!

https://www.foodrenegade.com/hcl-not-just-supplement/
http://divinehealthfromtheinsideout.com/2012/03/should-you-be-supplementing-with-hydrochloric-acid/
https://scdlifestyle.com/2013/10/4-common-betaine-hcl-mistakes/
https://blog.kettleandfire.com/leaky-gut-supplements/
https://legionathletics.com/betaine/
https://draxe.com/what-is-betaine/
http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t5184-i-found-a-solutionn-to-halitosis-bad-breath

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General Discussion / Iron and the effects of cooking and charring food.
« on: February 07, 2018, 05:21:11 am »
After watching these videos it got me wondering about the iron in our food. I.e. the iron in cooked foods vs raw foods vs charred foods. A lot of people on this forum are concerned with AGES in food but it seems like there is a lot more to it then just that. If charring food can change the properties of the iron like is implied by the 2nd video, what else besides affecting the AGES does it do?

Absolute proof that Wheaties contains metal fragments, lifted with magnets (Is it?)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLS3dA72Tg


Monster magnet meets blood...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVsWTkD2M6Q

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General Discussion / What exactly are paleolithic forms of carbs?
« on: January 09, 2018, 03:59:59 am »
Without reading through the entire thread I'd have to say the answer to the question in the title is rather obvious.

Paleo carbs consisted mainly of FIBER, meaning that the vast majority of carbs passed right through undigested.

Rather than being a direct source of nutrition, carbs made of fiber serve mainly as a place for the gut flora's microbes to live and in some cases as their food source. These microbes yield themselves as a secondary food source, packed with nutrition and health benefits for the consumer of the original fiber. 

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Off Topic / Why was the sports supplement moved from bodybuilding forum?
« on: August 19, 2017, 02:25:12 am »
Why was the sports supplement thread moved from the exercise and bodybuilding forum over to hot topics?

If I were new to this forum and wanted to find information about bodybuilding or exercise supplements I wouldn't even think to look in the hot topics forum. I would probably just look at the body building forum and realize there is nothing there and move on to someone else's forum.

I realize that supplements aren't exactly paleo but most people would agree that there is something missing in today's food and that it's not what it used to be in paleo times. I would argue that taking supplements, even though most of them don't work is an attempt to make our food more like it was in the paleo era.

As a raw paleo bodybuilder, I really think the thread should be moved back and that it belongs in exercise and bodybuilding.

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Hot Topics / Second look at sports supplements
« on: August 18, 2017, 07:58:32 pm »
Until recently I haven't been taking any supplements. But I've begun experimenting with them again and having good results with some of them.  A few years ago I took a whole bunch of vitamins and my hair started turning gray but high consumption of raw organ meats has turned it back.

20 or more years ago I was heavily into bodybuilding. I was eating sometimes two to three dozen eggs per day and only lightly experimenting with organ meats. The results were nothing short of fantastic. Then I started taking creatine in hopes of even bigger gains and instead of helping it really messed me up. Recently I started reading about creatine and if you eat a pound of meat per day you are getting around the same as if you supplemented with it. Eat a pound of meat with two dozen eggs and there's no wonder adding creatine to my diet turned out to be a disaster. I'm reasonably sure that if I supplemented with it again that the results would be the same. But for someone who doesn't eat a lot of meat or on a vegan diet it could be very beneficial or even necessary to maintain good health.


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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Improving Your Posture
« on: August 02, 2017, 02:07:28 pm »
I thought maybe it would be a good idea to have a thread on posture.

As I work out more and more I continue to loose weight and body fat but I've noticed that sometimes I look great and other times I do not. Particularly when I am feeling tired or even stressed. I know this is due to my posture. Sometimes it is good when I am not thinking about it and sometimes it's not. It's easy to have good posture when I am thinking about it but I'd like to be able to do it all the time. Even when I'm not.

A couple of days ago I started taking Holy Basil. It relaxes me but I've also noticed my posture has gotten much worse since I started taking it. It would be a shame to have to stop taking it for that reason. The only thing good about it is that it makes me aware that in some way posture may be related to diet.

I think there are also exercises you can do to improve posture. I've read that dead lifts are supposed to be good for posture. I've never done them. Maybe I should give it a try.

Posture seems to also be related to age but why does it have to be that way? My girlfriend's mom is only 15 years older than me and she is so bent over she needs to be propped up on pillows because she can't lay flat.

Exercise, conscious awareness, forming good habits and diet. I'm going to head off to google and youtube and see what I can find that will help me develop better posture and try to make it an unconscious habit.

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Hot Topics / Holy Basil Batman; Tulsi is not a city in Oklahoma!
« on: August 01, 2017, 01:07:17 pm »
Been restocking my herb collection lately and I was about to order Basil when I came across Holy Basil. When I read about it, it sounded too good to be true so I ordered some instead of basil. I don't really like the taste of Basil all that much anyway. It came today and I been mixing it in a few of my raw organ meat smoothies. Honestly it makes them taste pretty good so I been putting it in the ones I like the taste of the least. Nothing super magical has happened but I did notice I feel a little calmer than usual and pretty good. I could just be having a good day though. Also I noticed I don't feel as hot. Makes sense because it has sort of a minty flavor but tastes much better than peppermint, not as strong with other flavors mixed in. Glad I didn't get basil. Probably would have sit on the shelf unused. Nice herb!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlYxvdIi1is




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Hot Topics / Cassia VS Ceylon cinnamon
« on: July 29, 2017, 10:09:52 pm »
Till now I've been vaguely aware that there were more than one type of cinnamon. The vast majority of the time you buy cinnamon in the store you will be getting cassia cinnamon AKA fake cinnamon or common cinnamon; but true cinnamon is Ceylon cinnamon. Since these are two completely different plants I've decided to explore the health benefits of both.

Cassia
cinnamon is better for regulating blood sugar and is a natural blood thinner but in large amounts can cause kidney or liver damage and is a known carcinogen. The reason for this is because it contains lots of coumarin while Ceylon cinnamon contains only trace amounts. Ceylon cinnamon also has a much milder flavor. 

Other than coumarin, Ceylon cinnamon contains as much or more of all of the health benefits of cassia cinnamon however it is a bit more expensive and harder to find.

Generally if it doesn't say Ceylon cinnamon on the label, assume you are buying cassia cinnamon.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/516598-the-health-benefits-between-ceylon-cinnamon-and-cassia/

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I've read Men used to have about ten times the testosterone than they do now. Also that estrogen is hidden in many things especially plastics. Aromotase is the key enzyme responsible for turning testosterone into estrogen. Aromatase Inhibitors prevent testosterone from turning into estrogen. Cruciferous vegetables are one of the best foods that contain aromatase inhibitors but I haven't been eating very many of them since I've switched to raw food. I don't know why but I thought I'd see if there's anything else I can do about it. The only herb that comes to mind is nettle root. I have some extract on hand but it's kind of expensive so I am interested to find out if there is anything else. I read that turmeric inhibited the aromatase in cancer cells but I have no idea if it works on normal cells as well. I seem to remember something about black pepper helping free up testosterone as well. I'm going to hit up google and see what I can find and will post anything interesting about it here.


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This could be an example of me being prejudice and finding someone who says what I want to hear but  seems to ring very true to me.

http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm
 
In it many taboos are broken. Such as turning the 60/30/10 carbohydrate, fat and protein pyramid on it's side and recommending 60%fat, 30% protein and 10% carbohydrates. (OK his version is slightly different, that's mine.) No problem yet with most of you; but then he goes on to say that grass fed meats are no better than feed lot. And even that organic fruits and vegetables are no better than conventional with which I actually agree in large part that the differences have at the very least been exaggerated.  I agree with pretty much all of the myths it mentions but got a feeling that it's going to make most of you cringe.

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General Discussion / Is juicing paleo? What about alcoholic fruits?
« on: July 20, 2017, 11:00:32 pm »
I made some cherry juice from fresh cherries last night thinking it was paleo but when I woke up this morning I was thinking about it and there obviously wasn't any practical way to juice fruit in paleo times. Ok maybe from fruits like fresh squeezed orange juice in the tropics or just a couple of drops from squeezing a cherry or some other fruit but by and large I don't see any way it could have been a significant part of their diets.

More than likely most of the excess fruit that existed in those days was left on the trees and vines till it fell off and/or rotted. I remember a video one time of monkeys eating fruit that rotted and turned to alcohol and actually getting drunk from it. I've tasted fruit myself that had gone bad and had a slight alcoholic taste. This makes me think that alcohol from fruit is paleo. Though it was only available in low concentration, for a short time when it was in season. It wasn't till man had made vessels that things like grain were fermented so I don't believe all alcohol is paleo. Only under rare conditions in low concentrations.

I suppose grain could have been fermented in an animal bladder or something before pottery so I could be wrong. But then grain isn't really paleo either. Is it?

Any thoughts?

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Cherries were at their lowest price of the year this week so I just made some cherry juice.

I dumped cherries in my food processor whole with the stems and pits. Ground them up with a little water and pushed them through a coarse colander strainer. Then I added a little more water and blended what was left a second time.

My strainer has huge holes so there was a little bit of ground up cherry pits in them so I ran the juice through my champion juicer while blocking the pulp side with my hand and it came out clean with hardly any waste.

If you don't have a champion try a finer strainer the second time or don't grind them up in the food processor so much that you get little bits of cherry pits.

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Off Topic / The Science of Lying
« on: July 19, 2017, 03:23:41 am »

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Off Topic / Placebos
« on: July 17, 2017, 02:29:06 am »

A placebo can work even when you know it’s a placebo
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Half of the study volunteers were told they were getting an “open-label” placebo and the others got nothing at all. He found that there was a dramatic and significant improvement in the placebo group’s IBS symptoms, even though they were explicitly told they were getting a “sugar pill” without any active medication.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/placebo-can-work-even-know-placebo-201607079926

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Health / Like Cures Like. Does it really?
« on: July 15, 2017, 03:16:23 am »
I am starting this thread to get to the bottom of the saying "like cures like". For me I would like to find out if eating raw kidney would be specifically good for my kidneys. I strongly dislike the taste of kidney and am almost hoping it isn't true, even though I believe it. It would be easy to dismiss the notion and state that it is absurd to think if I had a problem with my left arm that eating the left arm of animals as opposed to the right would cure my left arm. Obviously this isn't a fair assessment. I'm just trying to make a point by carrying it out to the extreme.

Upon googleing the term, like cures like, is mentioned in the context of homeopathy in about half of the search results. Homeopathy is complete bunk in my mind.

What do you guys think? Is there any validity to the saying or is it bunk?


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Health / Kidney Filtration
« on: July 14, 2017, 12:13:29 am »
I understand how important it is that the kidneys are filtering properly but is this guy on the right track?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4elJZZMj2zk

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Health / Geophagy
« on: June 26, 2017, 12:25:09 am »
Geophagy is the practice of eating dirt. Many monkeys and parrots eat clay and no one knows for sure why. It is thought the parrots eat it at the same time poisonous berries are in season to help absorb the toxins. I've eaten a lot of diatomaceous earth and calcium bentonite clay in the past and started eating some again a couple of days ago. I am noticing a slight ache in the kidney area this morning and my weight is up as if I am constipated. Don't ever recall those symptoms from eating clay before. It doesn't feel healthy so I  should probably stop although it could be that the clay is detoxing me like they say and over working my kidneys. I would think I'd be fairly well detoxified already since I been on such a clean diet so it doesn't make sense.




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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Armand Tanny and Raw Meat Bodybuilding
« on: June 21, 2017, 06:28:26 am »
1949 Pro. Mr. America and the 1950 Mr. USA

Bodybuilding and physical culture has, at its core, always been about pushing the limits of nutritional consumption. After all, no other sport promotes periods of intense dieting in the manner of the iron game. The quest for new nutritional approaches has led to some rather interesting diets, Armand Tanny’s raw meat diet being a case in point.

For those of us too young to remember, Tanny was a highly influential name in the bodybuilding business of yesteryear. An accomplished bodybuilder in his own right (Winner in the 1949 Pro. Mr. America and the 1950 Mr. USA competitions), Tanny also spent many decades writing on bodybuilding for the various Weider magazines.

Unlike his fellow iron game compatriots however, Tanny followed an almost entirely raw diet. That meant raw milk, raw vegetables and of course, raw meats.

So what prompted Tanny to follow this diet, what did the diet entail, and what can the modern lifter learn from it?

Going Raw

Given that raw food consumption was and  is such a taboo topic in today’s food circles, it is incredible to think that Tanny, a man who spent the bulk of his life in the United States, came across such a rare eating plan. So how did Armand stumble across this way of life?

According to old interviews and Randy Roachs’s Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors, Tanny owed his raw food conversion to a wrestling trip around America’s peripheral states. An accomplished wrestler and weightlifter in his own right, Tanny spent several months on tour in 1947 inHawaii where he squared off against the local wrestlers.

The impressive bulk and strength of his Polynesian opponents led Tanny to question the origins of their strength. For Tanny, these men were well built, strong and incredibly healthy. His desire to learn more soon brought him to their food source. The local Polynesian wrestlers consumed an almost entirely raw diet. That meant raw fruits, fish, meats and vegetables. For the young American man, it was an entirely new way of eating. One which promised big results.

Interested but unconvinced, Tanny returned to the United States eager to learn more. Having already spent one year at a medical school, he had some rudimentary knowledge of the body, but not enough to make an informed decision on raw food diets. Through months of research however, Tanny eventually stumbled across the works of Weston Price, the controversial dentists who had written extensively on the diets of traditional societies, many of whom shared the Polynesian’s perchance for raw food.

Armed with Price’s nutritional opus (Nutrition and Physical Degeneration), Tanny began his raw food journey.

So what did Tanny’s diet entail and what results did it have?

Like many trainers of his era, Tanny didn’t follow a strict dieting plan but rather ate whenever he felt necessary. That being the case, in later years Tanny estimated that he ate between ¾ (0.34 kg) to 1.5 lbs. (0.68 kg) of raw meat daily, an amount he believed supplied him with creatine in its purest form.

Generally speaking Tanny consumed ample amounts of raw fish such as tuna, lobster and even clams that he would collect at the Santa Monica Pier. Additionally he consumed beef, liver and a healthy amount of nuts, fruits and vegetables to round out his diet.

Owing to the advice of Gaylord Hauser, an nutritional guru of the time, Tanny later added brewer’s yeast, desiccated liver, yogurt, black strap molasses, and wheat germ oil. All of which were relatively standard bodybuilding supplements of the time.

The effects of this approach? Within two years, Armand had substantially improved upon his already impressive physique to the extent that he won the cobeyed 1949 Pro. Mr. America and the 1950 Mr. USA competitions before turning his hand to writing and gym management. Furthermore, Tanny’s health remained robust for several decades until his death at the age of 90, suggesting that for Armand, the raw food approach stood him in good stead.

Such an extreme eating style, did of course, have its drawbacks. Several years into his new eating approach Tanny encountered a moment of considerable embarrassment  on a stop-over in St.Louis on a trip from Los Angeles to New York. According to Tanny,

    I was hungry and needed to get something to eat. I bought a raw steak and thought I could hide it in a newspaper wrapping while I ate it on a park bench. I sat there sneaking little bites when I was joined by a woman who sat down beside me. On one of my bites, the steak pulled out of the wrapper and I was sitting there with a big hunk of raw meat hanging out of my mouth. It wasn’t long before I was sitting alone again!

His dating life aside, that Tanny boasted a lean 200 lbs. physique on a 5 feet 9’inch frame, was testament that his eating style did have its benefits.

So what can be learned from Tanny’s raw food diet?

Well I think first and foremost, a clear message from Tanny’s experience is that one has to experiment with their eating approach. Tanny’s diet was far from the mainstream, but it made him stronger, healthier and happier to eat raw food. For modern lifters, this means forging your own nutritional path.

That being said, Tanny spent months meticulously researching the raw food diet, a reminder that monitoring key health indicators and educating oneself are important for every aspiring muscle head.

Finally, Tanny’s diet reminds us to try out new things every once in a while. While a raw steak from a paper bag is perhaps a bridge too far, why not try steak tartare, raw milk or some sushi every once in a while. For Randy Roach, who incidentally is another raw food enthusiast, occasional or frequent (depending on your disposition) raw food meals present higher amounts of vitamins and minerals than their cooked counterparts. As always, exercise caution and try to consume the highest quality food available.

So who knows, mayby raw food bodybuilding will become the next fitness fad. Lord knows it will be tastier than the low fat meal plans we suffered through for many years!

https://physicalculturestudy.com/2016/08/02/armand-tanny-and-raw-meat-bodybuilding/

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When I first went from 50 percent raw to virtually 100 percent I felt really good. But then I started drying meat and making jerky and I feel as if I've taken a step backwards from eating fresh raw meat and making raw meat smoothies.

Most of what I find on the internet suggests that I am wrong and that dried food is healthy but nobody is really comparing it to fresh food. Just to cooked foods. But my instincts are telling me different. It's hard to know when to trust your instincts and when they have been perverted.

Yesterday I got through slicing up 4 pounds of beef and marinading it to make jerky. I could tell I made too much and it wasn't all going to fit in the dehydrator so I began popping pieces into my mouth and eating them raw. They tasted really good so I filled up on them as I was thinking how much better they were then after they were all dried out. Then I started loading a tray and put it in my dehydrator. I turned it on and about 30 seconds later the machine made a few weird beeps and died never to work again. Maybe someone was trying to tell me something. Here I am with nearly 4 pounds of raw beef and no dehydrator. Ok it's probably less than 3 pounds now since I finished writing this post!



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