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Journals / Fenrir's Journal
« on: June 17, 2018, 04:11:53 pm »
So today I'm going to give this a shot, I feel like this is a very cool thing the journals and I've been living this way for over a year now so maybe its time. I started my raw journey on June 8th of 2017 and though I was completely raw as far as meat went right from the start, I still was eating cooked vegetables every day for the first month or two. Since then I've been completely raw minus a few social occasions with my family, those occasions only totaling maybe 3 times in the past year when I've eaten a cooked food with the 3rd time being today for fathers day. We went to a steakhouse and I asked them if they could give the steak to me raw but they told me they had to at least mark it and so I agreed, but I honestly totally regret it I should have just stuck to a salad. whenever I eat cooked foods now even like the extremely rare still cold in the middle steak I had today I can just feel it sitting heavy in my intestines and I feel like it puts a damper on me for the rest of the day, it wasn't even good meat it was a super bland regular feedlot steak with little taste other than the singed parts of the outside.

As far as my regular diet goes I am very much predominately a meat eater, some days I don't eat vegetables at all but most days I do. The foods I fill my diet with mainly are beef goat and lamb muscle meats, beef back fat, liver, pancreas, heart, and thymus. I don't eat organs every day or really focus on making sure I eat them in any specific amount I just sort of eat them when I crave them, I do however make sure I'm eating extra fat even though sometimes it doesn't appeal to me.
In terms of vegetables I like leek leaves probably more than anything else, but I include regular onions, green onions, kale, spinach, chard, lettuce and two days ago I decided to give carrots a try. Raw carrots were one of my favorite foods on cooked paleo and even as a child on the SAD diet but I don't know how I feel about them now, I've eaten one carrot each of the last two days and I suppose I will continue for now, its hard to say what effect its caused as I made the cooked mishap this morning as well.

I do include seafood in my diet but its more of a rare thing I much prefer red meat, I feel its just much more satisfying. In terms of plant fats I've found since going raw most good plant fats don't really agree with me well, I eat avocados sometimes but every time I eat them I end up with undesirable results in my feces the next day, and coconuts last I attempted didn't land me in such a great spot either. I have however recently bought some cold pressed coconut oil and I've been using it a lot externally before spending brief periods in the sun throughout the day and it hasn't seemed to cause me any problems I can detect.

In terms of salt intake I don't have it every day but maybe once every week or two weeks I do get strong cravings for it and ill eat Celtic sea salt on my vegetables, I don't feel like its caused me any issues and it doesn't seem like an addiction its something that I'm able to satisfy for a good period of time by consuming it.

For maybe 4 months I was completely zero carb but after going so long I started to get an ache in my intestines and thats what spurred me to reintroduce plants, whenever I eat plants it completely cures the ache every time, I don't really look at plants as any real caloric sustenance but I think they seem important to good health in some quantity on a regular basis.


My life this past year has been going really well in general but there are ups and downs of course, Ive been working at Starbucks for a year and a half at this point and just started the online college plan that they offer last month, I'm only taking one class right now but I'm doing really well and am very excited to be back in school its been a few years since I graduated and I feel as though I'm very much working my way towards the place I want to be in my life. As of right now my goal is to do some manner of field work in biology I would really love to travel near or far and study plants and animals somewhere, I'm particularly interested in desert and jungle environments if I got to pick somewhere that really inspires me the most but I haven't really figured everything out yet.

Right now one of my biggest goals is to figure out my caffeine addiction, I do drink black coffee every day in somewhat above moderate amounts and I feel like long term I would feel much better without it, I feel I have a very strong emotional attachment to it in my life and it makes me wonder if I really even want to stop. I quit smoking cigarettes over two years ago, and I cut down on smoking marijuana almost entirely this whole past year and have been clean of it entirely for about 5 weeks, but I feel like for the longest time coffee was a friend I believed couldn't possibly be bad for me and with working at a coffee shop I'm very much exposed to it on a daily basis. I don't really know what the future will hold for it but its something on my mind.

More than anything I feel a strong need for emotional connection in my life but I struggle greatly to connect with people in my age group, I just lack any interest in most things that most people today concern themselves with and then I've got strange facets of my life including the whole raw diet and a few other manifestations and I never really have connected well with most people before all this, I do have friends and I have been growing closer with them in recent time but don't feel a connection on any incredible level yet, and I haven't been intimate with a girl in almost a year. Its not that I'm antisocial I'm outgoing I talk to people all day long at work, I have lots and lots of acquaintances, and I get numbers of people I'm sexually attracted to all the time, its just that none of it ever leads anywhere I just don't click with anyone. I know that I don't need anybody and really my primary goal is to find happiness on my own in a sustainable real tangible form, but I get lonely at the same time.

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I really love thymus they are very savory and creamy, i also like pancreas a lot though its much more tangy almost sour but not really and in a good way. I think those two are my favorites though i do enjoy liver occasionally.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Frozen versus Fresh Meat
« on: May 19, 2018, 01:26:48 pm »
Though I feel its very likely that fresh never frozen meat does taste better I haven't been able to try it yet, I would have to say the benefits of eating a raw diet will still be drastic regardless, ive been eating frozen meat shipped from white oak pastures in Georgia for the entirety of my raw diet experience which will be one year as of the 7th of next month and I always think it tastes amazing. I order fat from them which sometimes sits in my freezer for several months depending on how much I stock up but I haven't ever been able to tell a difference in it I can't explain with normal variation.

 I really do love the quality of their meat but they've all of a sudden raised the prices on everything 125-150% and I don't think I'm willing to pay that much if I can find a local alternative that supplies good quality meat, I know buying local is far more responsible anyways. I'm hoping to find a rancher with grass-fed goats or lambs in the north Texas area I'm willing to travel to aquire it if its a reasonable price, I don't mean to derail the thread but I've seen 80-90 pound whole lambs listed online for around 320 US dollars is this around what I can normally expect to pay?

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Ill send some but its not a lot! I put it through paypal.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Onion greens?
« on: April 21, 2018, 03:36:52 am »
 Lately ive been eating quite a lot of green onions and leek leaves, as well as a wild onion that grows in the woods, i mostly favor the green parts as opposed to the actual bulbs of the plants. Is there any reason i should worry about onion greens being a staple vegetable in my diet? I love the taste of them and onions are purported to be very good for raising your testosterone levels though i dont know if theres enough evidence to say thats a sure thing. They seem to be less domesticated and removed from their natural form than some other vegetables.
A girl i work with did tell me when i sweat it smells like onions though that may not be the most favorable side effect of onion consumption, but it doesnt really bother me much and i dont know if she was actually serious even, they see me eat raw onions all the time it may have been an attempt to poke fun.

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Primal Diet / Re: Raw Milk Adjusting Period?
« on: April 07, 2018, 12:53:56 am »
My experience doesnt have to do with dairy but i would also think that if you get diarhea after consuming something it would be allergy/intolerance to it and even if its possible to reduce your reaction through extended consumption it still doesnt mean it would end up being good for your health.
One thing ive noticed is every single time i eat raw shellfish i consistently get diarhea the next day, i love the taste of shellfish whether is shrimp, scallops, octopus, lobster or squid, i think they are delicous and they used to be one of my favorite cooked foods, but they seem to not agree with me now that everything else im eating is great quality raw foods. Fish doesnt ever give me diarhea its specifically shellfish and mollusks. I would think that over time in your life or throughout generations your body could become accustomed to eating something like shellfish or dairy and it would perhaps end up being something you could thrive on given time but i would have to feel like it would never be as good for you as the foods you were adapted to to begin with.

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Off Topic / Re: Raw Paleo Diet Forum Statistics
« on: April 03, 2018, 01:16:56 pm »
Now there seem to be a rotation of newcomers who again disappear after a while and are replaced with new ones, who in turn soon disappear again!

Though im sure its not always the case i would hope that new people dissapear after a while because their health improves and they just dont feel the need to ask as many questions often anymore. I have to say im incredibly thankful for everything that all of you and that this forum have done for me, eating this way has changed my life, but i am definitely guilty of dropping off the radar after i first came here and was present at least lurking every day even if not posting.

I wish i had better connections with more people here i feel as though i have not contributed as much as i could but i have only been doing this less than a year so i feel im not always capable of giving the best advice, i suppose that should be no reason not to participate when i have the time though really.

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Awesome it tastes totally fine so thats good to hear! Thank you guys!

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I live with my grandma so i have yet to be able to hang my meat up i plan to get my own fridge in the future i know its said to be the way to do it, right now its sitting on a plate i cut it open as soon as i found it.
 Ill make sure i flip it throughout the day to get the air on all sides, i know its impossible to say if theres no risk but you would say the risk is minimal? It has to have been cold for half the night it was complately frozen rock hard at 0 degrees farenheight when it started and only sitting out for around 12 hours.

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General Discussion / Accidently left vacuum sealed meat out over night
« on: April 02, 2018, 01:09:39 am »
I was putting a couple pieces in my fridge to thaw and i left them on my counter to speed it up and have a little snack before i went to sleep, i cut open and ate from one of the packs and then put that one in the fridge but it totally slipt my mind i had put a second one out and i just found it this morning basically completely unfrozen at room temperature at least all around the outside of it. Its a 3 pound rump roast the only thing that worries me is i left it in the vacuum seal i know it would be no problem otherwise, i tasted it and smelled it and it seems fine am i probably safe? Im really just scared of botulism its not a big deal if i get sick but i dont want to permanently damage my brain.

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General Discussion / Re: aged cheese much better than raw beef
« on: March 27, 2018, 12:32:17 pm »
I myself cant speak from the stance of having poor stomach acids, i can see how beef protien may be hard to digest for some people, but i would be weary of replacing it with even raw dairy products.
The one thing ive noticed that really speaks to me is the amount of tartar build up on my teeth, when i was eating dairy just occaisionally in the form of raw roquefort i would end up with a large amount of tartar where my gums have eroded a bit on the inside of my bottom teeth, but since cutting out dairy the tartar production has been drastically reduced.
Overall both ways my dental health has been good thats the only thing in my diet thats changed between my last two dental visits, i dont think raw dairy will give you cavities and rot in your mouth the way many non paleo foods do, but i feel it could cause a greater imbalance in your ratio of calcium to other minerals perhaps causing who knows what kinds of issues where ever in your body long term, maybe none other than tartar buildup but maybe many in all manner of places?

Overall i think raw dairy is a better food than cooked foods but i truly think if you can get your body to the point its capable of digesting raw meats efficiently youll be far better off in the long run.
As to how to get to that point hopefully theres someone with more experience than i, i would think at the least you should get pure fat sources of raw meat you can digest such as back fat or marrow or suet and then use those for most of your calories and at least minimizing your dairy intake that way.

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Health / Re: Best way to detox after cooked meal?
« on: March 25, 2018, 05:14:47 am »
That makes sense, thank you for your help!

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Health / Re: Best way to detox after cooked meal?
« on: March 24, 2018, 03:44:31 pm »
Thank you both for the advice i just finished working out and had some lamb and i feel better now for the most part.

I read most of the study though some parts went over my head and some parts i did skimp through a little but a lot of it was very interesting about the role of the buildup of age's in degenerative disease. They mention a few sources of polyphenols that could be used to inhibit the production of age but i would imagine that would apply to a great many things right since most fresh plant foods are very rich in polyphenols even if some are more so than others?

Do you think that in a raw paleo diet weve reduced our age consumption enough that our bodies are able to work at reducing our total buildup or do you think we just balance the load and simply dont increase the amount yet remain near the level we started with already within our tissues?

Ill try harder to stand firm and abstain next time if i dont have any suitable options, and if its not possible perhaps i will try what you say and just avoid the cooked meat. What exactly about high meat would help to prevent the formation of toxins from a cooked meal after though?
Ive been doing this for quite some time now it will be a year in june but i still have yet to try high meat i dont quite know why. for a long time i was keeping my meat in the produce drawers in my fridge and i didnt really like the taste of meat that sat for too long,but recently ive stopped and am just keeping it on plates in the open fridge and i find the air definitely keeps it more appetizing i now do like the taste of the meat when its sat for a while and has started to dry. Would aged meat that has sat drying in the fridge for a few weeks but not rotten have at least some of the same benifits?

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Health / Best way to detox after cooked meal?
« on: March 24, 2018, 09:14:58 am »
Today i went to a cookout for a friend/coworkers birthday, all of my coworkers know about my eating habits and i could have just not eaten and it would have been understandable but in the moment under peer pressure i ate maybe 8-12 ounces of cooked beef, i wouldnt have felt so bad about it i know that one cooked meal is not the end of the world but after i ate it i found out it had been marinated in beer as well, and consuming grain derivatives on top of the cooked beef makes me more uncomfortable.
The only other thing i consumed was a substantial amount of homemade guacomole which i presume was raw and i assume mostly paleo friendly assuming i didnt accidently eat a piece of someones chip that had broken off in it.

My stomach just feels kind of heavy now and i know that i really shouldnt stress about this because thats probably more dangerous than the minor amount of gluten and other toxic compounds i consumed at least in this small comcentration. I just want to know what other people might do in this scenario? Should i fast the rest of the night to give me body a chance to deal with the toxins? i know that this one meal isnt going to set me back in health any noticable amount logically but i just wish i hadnt broken from my dietary ideals even momentarily.

What do you guys do when you attend a social event do you just bite the bullet and eat cooked food as long as its still within paleo guidelines or do you only eat what minimal raw paleo options that happen to be available?

Part of my problem is i was out of meat until this afternoon i received more fresh, so when i attended i hadnt eaten all day and my resolve was weakened if i had had meat i think i could have eaten a meal before going and i would not have been hungry and weakened to temptation.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Sun expoure and RPD
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:22:54 am »
I cant say that i know a whole lot of science about it, but i feel that the sun is very important to our health. Not only does it feel great to lay out in it but it helps the acne on my back too, my skin on my face is crystal clear all of the time i dont think ive had a zit since starting rpd, but my back on the other hand still experiences cystic acne, not as bad as before, but still definitely there. However when i went on vacation last august with my family i went tubing for 3 hours and got very sunburned on my back and the next day my back acne was very near completely gone, im sure some redness would have been visible if not for sunburn but my acne is the kind you can feel as a lump in the skin and my back was completely smooth. I think that the reason my back still has acne is the lack of sun and air exposure. I tried to sit outside for 30 minutes to an hour most days last summer and it helped but i still had acne, this summer i hope to sit out for an hour most days and see if i can get all of my acne cleared.

I know the sun can cause cancer but isnt the primary food for cancer sugar so wouldnt a balanced rpd diet help limit the risk? Im not sure but i guess time will tell haha

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Typical Daily Dietary Intake of Members?
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:12:40 am »
Never tried cheek tho. I bought it once, it looked like tongue, but my dog stole it.
This is actually really funny the first time i ever tried cheek it got stolen by my dog as well! I left it on the counter to thaw out while i was working out and the second he left my sight he went to the kitchen and i came out and it was in his mouth. I yelled at him and took it back though and then i rinsed it off and ate it  ;D

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Typical Daily Dietary Intake of Members?
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:06:43 am »
wondering why the inclusion now of the greens or onions?

I feel that a large part of it may be simply a desire to have more variance in my diet as it was getting kind of monotonous since my supplier for meat has been out of lamb and goat for several months, but partially ive been looking at my digestion sometimes with all meat my stomach would get upset i would be nauseas starting an hour or two after a meal on occasion for no apparent reason as most of the time with the same foods i would feel great, but now if that happens i normally can eat something like green onions just 3 of them or so and it fixes it very quickly. Also my poops though for a long time they were getting to be formed better as zero carb went on they started to be more wet and they just were not improving anymore, but since adding the greens there now very well formed much more consistently.

I imagine beef cheeks are similar to beef tongue. If so, how do you eat so much? I tried cutting up the tongue into small pieces. It took forever to cut and then chewing each small piece also took an enormously long time. What's your strategy?

In what form do you get your fat? Sliced or grounded? Again, I wonder with envy how you manage to eat such great quantities?

As far as beef cheek goes i actually have yet to try tongue so i cant make the comparison there but i really love beef cheeks they are a very tough piece of meat but they are very flavorful. I normally just slice off pieces with a knife and chew and swallow like i would with any other muscle meat though haha i use a serrated knife and pick up the cheek then push the knife through in between my fingers and slice it apart while i hold it in the air as opposed to slicing it from above while its on the plate. I dont know if that makes the difference but it never takes me very long at all really maybe 30 minutes if i had to guess and im normally taking my time at it.

With fat i get it as frozen vacuum sealed blocks of sliced back fat, i will say there is a tremendous amount of variance with the fat i get and that has a lot of effect on how much i can eat at once. My number 1 favorite kind of back fat is golden yellow with black/brown webbing on the surface i assume is blood vessels or something of the like, its almost always incredibly rich and flavorful its what i crave most but i cant eat too much or i feel sick. After that i also really like the white/yellow fat with similar webbing its normally very desirable in flavor as well but not quite as rich i can eat a lot of it at once and its totally fine. Then sometimes i get fat which is very very white and is much drier and doesnt really have much flavor honestly, this fat doesnt really bother me at all its not like suet where its so dry and crumbly it just sticks in your mouth but the best things i can really say about it are that its fat i can eat that doesnt repulse me. The only kind of fat i really dont like is a pale yellow and appears very very smooth in its consistency, whenever i chew it its almost squishy and the flavor really puts me off though i can let it warm up to room temperature and then its not bad normally all other fat i love straight from the fridge.

I dont know if any of those descriptions made much sense or were very helpful, i definitely have to recomend back fat over suet very strongly though as ive never been able to eat suet i threw out 16 pounds because i needed the room in my freezer for other meat and i didnt have time to make soap or candles. I also have to say i cant imagine ground fat is very good at all, honestly ground meat in general is the bane of my existance i ordered 4 pounds at one point because it was cheap and i ended up feeding half of it to my dog it was just like mush like i didnt find the flavor desirable and i just need something i can chew.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Typical Daily Dietary Intake of Members?
« on: January 25, 2018, 03:48:00 pm »
Today i ate ~
1 pound of beef cheeks
1/2 pound beef of shoulder roast
1/2 pound of beef back fat
Some green leek leaves of a single large organic leek

I was doing zero carb for some months but ive recently been eating fibrous vegetables mostly green onions or kale or leek though im slowly expanding. My typical day always includes muscle of beef or sometimes fish and beef back fat and then a few times a week i eat an organ meat like liver or pancreas or sweetbread.

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Health / Re: Cystic acne
« on: November 02, 2017, 11:59:39 am »
I cant say for sure its gotten better since going zero carb but i know its gotten better since going raw in general, ive felt really good since going zero carb in terms of overall health i have a lot of energy and my digestion has become very regular i have almost no flatulance and my stools have become well formed again i got a little bit of diahrea when i started for the first couple weeks but that has ceased.
I do plan to continue cutting down on caffiene i think plants can still be medicines and teachers but coffee isnt really either too me at this point i would rather be tired when i should be and have energy when i need it than rely on it for such things.
I will look into the brain fm sessions, i have been making a good attempt to being meditation back into my life in more parts of the day i generally will meditate before sleeping but rather than maintaining the last bit of awareness im of course just trying to let go entirely, it definitely has helped me a lot in being able to sleep when i want though and i know its an extremely benificial practice in many ways.
How does one feel after 5 days of fasting im sure it wouldnt be as hard as it would seem at a certain point but having only gone maybe 20 hours fasting at the longest it seems like it would be a very powerful state? Im sure you would stop being hungry and perhaps have energy but i would think your mind would be all over the place theres no way i could go to work during something like that

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Health / Cystic acne
« on: November 01, 2017, 01:54:43 pm »
I was just curious if anyone has had an issue with cystic acne but only concentrated on the back and on the neck? Back in the days i used to eat a SAD diet i would get it terrible on my face, back, and neck, since changing my diet to cooked paleo i had gotten rid of it on my face mostly, and after switching to raw its been basically nonexistant like my face is as clear as can be. But after all this time even though my back has improved it still has a enough that occurs that it makes me wonder if i could be doing something better.
Ive thought of the sun factor i definitely dont get as much sun on my back as i could but a couple times a week ill go out and get an hours worth, i walk or bike several miles most days and so my face always is able to get a good bit of sun but i dont know if thats whole issue.
Right now ive been doing zero carb for a couple months i think it was july 23rd i started, my only cheat is occasional roquefort cheese or katamala olives but i havent even eatan those in quite some time. My typical day is either beef or goat as well as beef back fat at around 3 or 4 o clock, then around ten o clock ill eat either more beef and fat or an organ of some kind or fish. Im definitely getting enough fat i eat quite a lot of it, i could probably stand to drink more water and i do have about 4 shots of espresso every day. I tried to quit drinking espresso but i work with it and i was so angry all the time and i ended up just starting again but with much less than before.
ive had some strong cravings for the cheese and olives lately but ive realized that both foods are very salty and so i may be primarily craving that, i salted my meat yesterday and plan to incorporate it more but im not sure if that will help.

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Health / Re: Eye Infection??
« on: October 06, 2017, 04:31:18 am »
That sounds like a good idea with the saline solution, thats awesome the doctor was interested in doing a more natural treatment as opposed to some things they could have done.
Ive never had a stie but ill definitely keep in mind if it were ever to occur i feel thats good information to be out here it could definitely help someone, i wonder by what method it was able to get rid of it.
I just woke up today and my eyes feel and look a lot better i can rub them and they are sensitive but its much less so than yesterday morning and last night, and most of the swelling seems to have gone down as well. I just continued using diluted vinegar over the course of the day and it seems to have helped.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions they are greatly appreciated, if theres any reasurgance of the issue ill try out some of the other methods and let you know how they work

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Health / Re: Eye Infection??
« on: October 05, 2017, 04:33:29 pm »
I understand that your right it probably is the safer option to see a doctor first and then go from there, if its not much better when i wake up tomorrow ill go to one and see what they say. I cant imagine it would be an allergic reaction as i havent changed a whole lot of things that would have chance to get in my eye, ive stopped washing my hands at work with there antibacterial soap so it could be from rubbing my eyes after contacting someone elses germs instead of from raw meat.

However i did just eat a bunch of raw oysters for the first time and then immediately followed them with beef and back fat and after a short time i ended up experiencing somewhat bad chest pains for about 2 hours and now thats mostly stopped but i have itchy bumps around my ankles. It seems strange that i would have a skin reaction somewhere that never was touched with oyster residue and also it seems like reading online i would have pains in my stomach more than my chest if it was an allergic reaction to the oysters, im not sure if it was the oysters or if ive got something else going on related to my eyes as well.

Do any of you have reactions to one kind of shellfish but not any others? Ive had shrimp, lobster, octopus and scallops all raw and never had a bad reaction and also clams and squid but cooked, i suppose it definitely could be that i was combining foods improperly just because i ate one thing right after the other or it could be something in the water where the oysters were harvested. I have 2 left out of 14 and at this point i feel like i should just throw them out but part of me wants to eat them tomorrow and see if i react again.

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Health / Re: Eye Infection??
« on: October 05, 2017, 07:11:14 am »
Ill definitely check in with a docter tomorrow if the situation has gotten worse hopefully the swelling will have come down by then, thats interesting about the fasting i have heard things like that before, i would find it very difficult to go that long i think though, the longest i think ive fasted recently is 20 hours most days ill fast 16 for intermittent fasting. Ill keep in mind looking into some essential oils, would those be used topically after being diluted or internally?

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Health / Re: Eye Infection??
« on: October 05, 2017, 06:17:26 am »
I would just think taking such action as that would lead to higher chance of reaccurance, i would rather let my body figure out how to deal with it so it doesnt happen again.

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Health / Re: Eye Infection??
« on: October 05, 2017, 06:08:17 am »
Really though arent they just going to give me localized antibiotics if i go to an doctor? Its only been going on for two days i applied more diluted acv and the swelling has gone down

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