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Well, if some overzealous vegan threw this article in my face, I would say:

1. Where grains used for food or they just fell off the grass used for example as fire fodder or bedding?
2. If they were eaten, how much and how often? (not feasting I assume, looks more like starvation diet)
3. Modern wheat is much worse
4. How healthy were tribes who ate grains comparing to ones that didn't?
5. I bet that even the most devoted consumers of grain preferred meat or at least ate some part of diet as meat and animal fats.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Whats your view on Raw Honey
« on: July 23, 2012, 08:35:11 am »
When I eat honey I usually eat a whole jar (450g) within 5 minutes. Same goes for honeycomb.

I would do the same if I ate honey a couple times a year, unfortunately it's there - right in front of me! Well, a couple teaspoons a days seems to be reasonable.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Whats your view on Raw Honey
« on: July 18, 2012, 08:54:47 am »
I notice that even 2 tea spoons of honey give me acid reflux :( So no more honey for me, replacing it with Stevia which tastes terrible to me.

Maybe it's good idea to binge for a week or so on seasonal fruits or honey when following strict LC for the rest of the year.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Whats your view on Raw Honey
« on: July 17, 2012, 11:10:22 am »
Fermented honey is an interesting idea. I suppose it is not so sweet because sugars in it are predigested by bacteria?

I actually don't mind honey to be very sweet as it allows me to use lesser amounts to sweeten up sour cream dessert.

Seems like this need is purely psychological, just need something to have with big mug of hot tea.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Whats your view on Raw Honey
« on: July 17, 2012, 07:20:31 am »
1 teaspoon of honey with a bunch of fat.. there's really no need to be that paranoid about the BG :)

Yeah, after a while trying low carb I noticed that honey is EXTREMELY sweet, really no need to use more.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Whats your view on Raw Honey
« on: July 16, 2012, 03:46:11 pm »
Phil, interesting experiment. I am using little amounts of honey myself, to sweeten up life a bit, although I think a couple of table spoons on empty stomach is a bit too much, no wonder it threw your BG out of balance (I wouldn't be able to eat it anyway, too sweat and stingy)

I try not to start my day with honey, eating food high in fat and protein instead.

During the day I eat honey three times (not in one go), 1 tea spoon each, mixed with quarter cup of sour cream, cocoa powder and nuts.

So I consume 1 table spoon of honey per day, tried to get rid of it completely, but life became too sad :)

I wonder how BG behaves during such consumption, didn't do any tests but seems everything is allright.

PaleoPhil, thank you, that's interesting info. I was curious why fructose from fruits was so vilified, after all it doesn't raise blood sugar, but gets converted in liver.

Besides, fruits (raw or fermented) are very complex mix of minerals, enzymes and antioxidants, they are nothing like isolated fructose (like in high fructose corn syrup)

The same goes for raw honey. I don't see why raw honey and fruits can't be ketogenic unlike glucose and starches.

Health / Re: Controlling bad cholesterol
« on: July 09, 2012, 01:59:37 pm »
Wow, raw, it's a heartbreaking story you are telling. I don't feel like I have a right to give you advice but there is a couple of thoughts I feel necessary to share.

1. You've been doing your best all these year to help your brother without much improvement, maybe it is time to change strategy?
2. They might know something in mental institution that you don't know and might be able to help your brother in a professional way.
3. Sometimes medication is necessary to alleviate acute mental issues, that's what they can do
4. Once situation improves, he will be let out of institution and it will be easier to switch him to raw paleo for lifetime mental health maintenance.

Again, just my thoughts.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 06, 2012, 12:20:28 pm »
All vegetable oils are machine processed to some extent. While people used to cook meat for very long time, vegetable oils are recent invention. And some of them (canola, corn or soy oil) have more common with synthetic fuel than food.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 06, 2012, 08:38:47 am »
In context of your original question Chris, I wonder which one is healthier: cooked animal fats or cold pressed vegetable oils?

I just finished "Vegetarian Myth" book, comparative studies were done, when people replaced animal fat with oil (I think it was corn oil though) and had higher mortality rates than people who ate animal fat (cooked obviously)

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 05, 2012, 02:33:03 pm »
AFAIK, modern hunter gatherers eat fat raw, right at the hunting site. The rest of the carrion is taken to camp, where it can be roasted.

I find it hard to eat internal fat raw though, so rendering lard is an option for me, at least for the time being.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 05, 2012, 08:52:11 am »
Chris, I was curious about your previous diet in case if you came from lowcarb cooked paleo. I found this  way easier for me, can't tolerate any fruits and carbs myself.
But I'm curious about cooked lowcarb paleo dangers. Is cooked saturated fat really that toxic?

Primal Diet / Re: Questions about Primal Diet
« on: July 04, 2012, 09:43:21 am »
The former is a much easier transition for many. Indeed most go the former route rather than the latter.

There was some Iranian sect which was vegan and survived fine because they didn't wash their vegetables much. They raised their vegetables using human manure which contained B12 plus, since they didn't wash the veg much, they also ate insects along with the leaves.

Yes, I heard about iranian guys. Actually used this same argument during my vegan times. I would like to know more about it, searching the internet didn't provide any roots of this story for me. Besides, it is sect, who know how long people stay there or how healthy they are? If you have more information on this, it would be interesting to see.

For me route number one doesn't work, can't tolerate carbs, cause IBS, especially fructose and even most of the raw vegetable. Cooked or fermented are mostly fine. After switching to low carb noticed significant improvement, too short yet to draw conclusions, but cooked fat seems fine, use a lot of rendered lard.

It is individualistic, somebody else might find vegan route easier and somebody can go cold turkey and be just fine.

Health / Re: Controlling bad cholesterol
« on: July 04, 2012, 09:33:38 am »
Yes, high cholesterol is controversial, some people believe it to be actually healthy:

That would be interesting to see such studies Tyler, could you provide the link to one that is the most persuasive in your view?

Health / Re: Controlling bad cholesterol
« on: July 03, 2012, 03:53:57 pm »
Wonder how many carbs she gets from rice, organges and mangoes. Fruits contain surprisingly high amounts of sugar (an apple contains 15 g or carbohydrates - almost the same amount as tbsp of honey).

Besides, it is interesting which type of cholesterol is high, there is HDL (good one) and LDL (arguably not so good) plus tryglycerides (these ones should be as low as possible), it would be useful to see her lipid profile.

I am not sure about liver cleansing also - with good diet liver should cleanse itself, besides in her condition (if she has high insulin sensitivity due to fruits consumption) drinking large amounts of liquid sugar (apple juice) may make things worse. Besides fructose in excessive amounts is known to destroy liver (hello to frutarians)

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Vegetable Oils
« on: July 03, 2012, 03:50:38 pm »
Raw full cream sour milk or sourcream might be helpful, in addition to butter.

I heard that vegetable oils have bad omega3/6 ratio, I think macadamia, olive and avocado oils are relatively ok.
How about just eating avocados, olives and nuts instead of using oils?

I got some raw free range pork fat, I salt parts with skin on (raw) and render internal fat to get lard (not raw). I was thinking about mincing raw internal fat with salt and spices, should produce nice spread.

Chris, just curious, what diet did you try before switching to raw paleo?

From viewing wikipedia page I've got an impression that general opinion that saturated fats (cooked or not) is unhealthy does not hold the water.
Phrases like this dispersed throughout:
"Despite decades of effort and many thousands of people randomised, there is still only limited and inconclusive evidence of the effects of modification of total, saturated, monounsaturated, or polyunsaturated fats on cardiovascular morbidity and mortality."

Primal Diet / Re: Questions about Primal Diet
« on: July 03, 2012, 02:22:15 pm »
Only raw fat is healthy, cooked fat, especially cooked animal fat is far worse than anything else. I mean, I've read that as long as one is eating 100%  plant foods raised via manure that one can still get all relevant nutrients like vitamin b12.

Tyler, are you sure 100% plant food, even with b12 supplementation is healthy long term? (>1year)
Raw fats are superior to cooked fats, no question, but I still think cooked fats beat vegan diet by a long shot.

PS: I would rephrase. For someone changing diet would you recommend become raw vegan and gradually introduce raw meats or go low carb with cooked meats and gradually change them to raw?

Primal Diet / Re: Questions about Primal Diet
« on: July 03, 2012, 04:09:02 am »
Fat phobia started not longer than 50 years ago, prior to that people in the West knew that bacon and eggs is healthy and if you want to shed weight, exclude sugar, bread and potatoes.
I think low fat ideology is closely related to vegetarianism, which is related to hippy movements which started around 60s.
I am sure 90 percent of people at this forum were vegetarians or vegans initially, this is trap that few lucky ones avoid on the path to health.

Primal Diet / Re: Questions about Primal Diet
« on: July 01, 2012, 05:09:49 pm »
There is huge mind shift for dieticians to stop prescribing low fat, high carb ("healthy" cereals of course), hard to imagine when they are going to be ready for accepting raw meat.

Primal Diet / Re: Questions about Primal Diet
« on: June 18, 2012, 08:35:06 am »
No, I haven't seen him in person, just a couple of videos on the internet. One was funny - where he was eating raw chicken on some show in front of a pack of douches who pretended to be doctors.

Generally what he says makes sense, except the points above. Although his recommendation to drink milk is crazy in my point of view. It might promote cancer with all growth hormones and high sugar content. I am lucky that I get severe diarrhoea before I can consume significant amounts of it :)

I'm just curious why I couldn't find any proofs of his claims, or at least explanation why there is none.

Health / Re: Depression success stories?
« on: June 05, 2012, 08:43:48 am »
So many great advices! The only problem is where to start. Hopefully Charlie is not going to use them all at once. I can imagine severely sleep deprived guy running along the streets eating a piece of rotten meat on the go..

Health / Re: Depression success stories?
« on: June 02, 2012, 08:26:34 am »
Chasing women is fun. I think I mean't out in clubs.

Talking of clubs, the paleo way was easier.

Only if you could outrun all the competition, also armed with clubs. Speaking of which I usually feel very calm and blissful (literally) after workouts, right after them and whole following day. Sometimes have to drag myself to do it, but always surprised how well it works.

There was a guy who wanted to commit suicide and got advice to do it by running himself to death. He followed advice but didn't die becoming a happy athlete instead.

Health / Re: Depression success stories?
« on: June 01, 2012, 09:33:36 pm »
And to be honest, chasing women, ... isn't fun

Chasing women is very paleo :)

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