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Off Topic / Re: I'm concerned about you guys in the USA...
« on: August 04, 2009, 09:16:26 pm »
I'm old enough to have read this sort of doom & gloom crap for a very long time.

What is crap ? The pages I provided the links for ? Did you at least have a look at it ? What is for you  “a very long time” ? 20 years ? 200’000 years ? 2’000’000 years ?

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Will the entire country collapse? No.

Of course it will. Every country, every empire collapses one day. Only the fireless paleolithic lifestyle was perhaps sustainable.

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But the pessimistic approach of "the sky is falling" is silly and counter-productive and ignores key facts like the human ability to innovate and to adapt.

I said it’s useless to be either pessimistic or optimistic.

Sure, some will adapt - the hard way. 

Cheers
Francois

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General Discussion / Re: Why is there amylase in saliva?
« on: August 04, 2009, 08:53:07 pm »
Sorry, I don't know myself how it is done, but I will ask them and let you know if they are willing to answer. You can see two zoomable pictures  here: http://store.orkos.com/fra/noix-de-cajou.html

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General Discussion / Re: Why is there amylase in saliva?
« on: August 04, 2009, 08:27:09 pm »
I don't know in the Philippines, but in Sri Lanka cashew are burned on a fire to get to the edible nut  inside. There's a way to extract that nut without fire so that it remains raw, unheated. I can order such nuts from a French company run by some Instinctos. The taste of these nuts is quite different of the commercial heated ones.

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General Discussion / Re: Why is there amylase in saliva?
« on: August 04, 2009, 08:02:15 pm »
Our paleo ancestors may ate some roots and tubers to survive.
However, I am not sure they ate them as a staple, at least before the use of fire to cook. Wild and raw, they are not edible in big amount by human.
Legumes, like grains, and modern fruits and nuts, are not strictly paleo as they could not be available without agriculture.

Chestnuts, obviously various kinds of almonds and wild nuts such as pine nuts as well as some edible starchy tubers are  certainly not produced by agricultural methods. What about cashew nuts ? Sweet potatoes ?


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Off Topic / Re: I'm concerned about you guys in the USA...
« on: August 04, 2009, 06:48:42 pm »
My past research led me to believe that peak oil is fake, propaganda to drive up the price of oil to prop up the US dollar.

I'm afraid your were misled. I provided 3 links in my above answer to Tyler. I'll be interested to have a read at your sources.

Cheers
Francois 

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Off Topic / Re: I'm concerned about you guys in the USA...
« on: August 04, 2009, 06:41:02 pm »
Trouble is they've been predicting the imminent  collapse of oil for years now and it's never happened. There are always new oil-fields turning up(such as recent Arctic finds) plus new methods of getting inferior quality oil cheaper, and now there are electric cars and new improved solar energy cells etc. So, civilisation won't collapse.

Every civilisation collapses over time and ours certainly will, probably during our lifetime.

The fact that there were previous forecasts of peak oil which subsequently proved inaccurate does not imply that peak is not imminent - quite the opposite, it seems to me. To confine itself as a pessimist or an optimist isn't rewarding : it is preferable to be documented as much as possible and consider the situation objectively.

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From another forum :
Even the head of the IEA previously debunking it at every possible juncture now warning about peak oil. Not to mention Mr Birol's paymasters will not be happy with this at all, he has most likely put his head on the block to warn the world of impending serious issues. Alas it will be to no avail sinply because it is politically impossible to sell anything akin to the measures required to mitigate the peak oil threat.

He has changed his mind because the IEA took the time and effort to compile data relating to the sources of 75% of current production and the results are as expected. The IEA is simply following in the footsteps of Simmons et al... Once a proper study is performed the same results are revealed.

Amongst a overwhelming mass of info, I advise you to consult the Hirsh report
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report
Simmons news
http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/research.aspx?Type=news
and The Oil Drum http://www.theoildrum.com/

It takes some 15 years to renew the world's almost one billion motor vehicles and electricity is not a primary source of energy, just an energy vector.

Cheers
Francois
 

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General Discussion / Re: Why is there amylase in saliva?
« on: August 04, 2009, 04:43:46 pm »
Starch is paleo food. (maybe paleolithic animals had more glycogen in their flesh like today's horses ?)

Do you exclude the possibility that our Paleolithic ancestors commonly ate plants containing starch such as various roots, peanuts, diverse kinds of lentils, beans and peas? There’s also starch in chestnuts and a little bit in cashew nuts, almonds, hazelnuts, pistachios, pecan nuts and so on !

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Off Topic / Re: I'm concerned about you guys in the USA...
« on: August 04, 2009, 05:51:10 am »
To me, collapse and/or oppression seem to be on the way. 

And not only in the USA !

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Warning: Oil supplies are running out fast

Catastrophic shortfalls threaten economic recovery, says world's top energy economist
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Monday, 3 August 2009

The world is heading for a catastrophic energy crunch that could cripple a global economic recovery because most of the major oil fields in the world have passed their peak production, a leading energy economist has warned.

Higher oil prices brought on by a rapid increase in demand and a stagnation, or even decline, in supply could blow any recovery off course, said Dr Fatih Birol, the chief economist at the respected International Energy Agency (IEA) in Paris, which is charged with the task of assessing future energy supplies by OECD countries.

See the whole article here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html

According to my own research, peak oil could well be now, neither in 2030 nor in 2020. Thus the outlook would be even worse than described by F Birol.

Cheers
Francois

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Primal Diet / Re: Raw milk and smelly frequent farting
« on: August 04, 2009, 05:00:50 am »
In defense of the "goodsamaritan", this forum is about AV's primal diet which includes raw milk, cream and cheese. It is a sub-forum of the paleo forum because it is different.

Yes, sorry about that: I became aware of the sub-forum thing after posting.

I know about Weston Price findings, but still I doubt that drinking milk from another animal specie - and moreover when adult - could cure anything except malnutrition. On the contrary, experiments of several people eating 100% raw-paleo-instincto showed that any small amount of dairy product can trigger a tremendously dangerous reaction. I myself tried once to eat about a cubic centimeter of "very natural", raw organic goat cheese and I felt an extraordinary lengthy and heavy digestion.

After eating raw-paleo-instincto for a duration sufficient to loose any habituation, the treacherous effect of animal milk consumption usually appears very clearly. Nevertheless, I recognize that once habituation (not to be confused with genetic adaptation) has been acquired, some individuals can thrive on dairy products without showing early signs of bad health. The troubles induced may happen late in one’s life, or maybe never for the best adapted individual amongst the populations accustomed to dairy products for thousands of years.

Cheers
Francois     

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When I blend raw milk with eggs the farting problem goes mostly away. It goes away completely if I mix milk+eggs+raw honey. I believe that the lecithin in the eggs helps emulsify and the digest the fat in the milk. The honey with its enzymes probably aids further with the digestion. Overall this makes for a great post-workout drink.

Cheers,
Westley

If you could travel back in time, I would suggest you to go back to the paleolithic era and explain to our ancestors that they could drink milk from animals without farting as long as they mixed it with eggs and raw honey. :)

Cheers
Francois 

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Primal Diet / Re: Raw milk and smelly frequent farting
« on: August 03, 2009, 04:15:56 pm »
I'm experimenting again with raw cow milk every single day for some 5 days now and I keep farting and farting and farting. And my farts smell like they are liver farts. Probably some kind of detox.

I've been eating raw honey too as Aajonus suggests to better digest the raw milk.

My question is, did this, or does this happen to you?
How long before this farting stops?
It's embarrassing, it liver stinks.

How did you ever come to consider cow milk consumption as a option to be tested (again and again) and report in this forum whose name is Raw Paleo Forum that your symptoms were probably detox? Animals domestication is typically neolithic and their milk consumption by humans  is even modern for many populations, especially in S.-E. Asia and Africa.

But thank you anyway, your experience confirms (if it were needed !) that animal milk consumption can be troublesome and is dangerous. -d

Cheers
Francois 

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Talk about avocados
« on: August 03, 2009, 03:50:12 pm »
Avocados were actually the last of the plant foods that I gave up. I used to love making guacamole with them. I kept things simple with just cilantro, garlic, and lime juice. Sometimes I mixed in onions and tomatoes if I had them. I could just tell that plant foods were not good for me though. 

For those that still eat them, they really are good with egg yokes, as others have noted. I never added honey into the mix, but honey would make anything taste better for me. I just can't have it though.

Do you all think such mixtures were commonly available and ingested during the paleolithic era ?  :o

Cheers
Francois

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General Discussion / Re: Raw eggs: whites and yolks.
« on: August 03, 2009, 02:16:09 am »

Yes, it is quite a quandary and a seemingly insolvable problem, at least in our lifetimes. Jared Diamond said that the adoption of agriculture was the biggest catastrophe in human history and I suspect that he's right. It's another reason I am trying to eat more grass-fed and less grain-fed. Somehow humanity as a whole must start turning back the clock. But how do so?

I totally agree with Jared Diamond, at least on this point (I haven't read him in full yet but I should do it). Our civilization is doomed, we have reached the limits our planet can withstand and stupidly dilapidated irreplaceable resources. The best thing we can do is, I think, eat raw paleo, plant nuts and fruit trees, breed grass fed animals. But that’s a drop of water in an ocean of madness.
 
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You mean the oven? I don't think my landlord would care for that! :D I do plan on buying a freezer. Lex has advised me on this. I know that some people don't approve of freezing, but I don't have anywhere to hang meat to dry and age, or to smoke meats, so freezing seems to be the best way for an apartment dweller to preserve and store economical bulk quantities of grass-fed meats, fats and organs.

Large pieces of meat can be kept several months hung on hooks in a fridge. The best is to buy a ventilated fridge (expensive) or find an old fridge without automatic defrosting. Frequent defrosting brings a lot of moisture inside, which dampens the meat, impede its drying and jeopardize its conservation. A panacea is to put the meat intermittently for some hours in a ventilated food drier adjusted to ambient temperature. I often do that for about 24 hours before to put my meat in the fridge. Another way to store and age the meat is hung in a box closed with wire mesh so that air can freely circulate all around the meat while flies cannot enter. It works fine outside the house when the temperature is not too warm nor freezing.   

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I suspect you're right, as I noticed recently that too much unsweetened iced pekoe tea--whether green or black, crap!--gives me heartburn. What a bummer. What is in it that could cause that? Do you have any research on the harmful components (antinutrients) or effects of teas?

Tea contains the alkaloid caffeine, just like coffee !

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Tea drinking is part of my Irish-American culture, so this is a bit more painful to give up than most foods. Wine is associated with French culture. Do you drink wine or mead at all?

Wine is a processed foodstuff, so in principle it is neither paleo nor part of a proper instinctive nutrition, just like fruit or vegetables juices. But it is normally not heated and thus not very harmful if drunk in small amounts. Wine was the only (seldom) exception I allowed myself, but 6 years ago I decided to stop drinking wine and I did it, only to start again in January this year because I am very sad for a personal reason I won’t disclose here. A little bit of good organic red wine helps me when I’m dreadfully sad… and while nicely fermented fruits are not available around ! 

I never tested mead, but a friend brought me a bottle which is waiting a good occasion.

Sorry if we sidetracked form whites and yokes to move toward red… wine!

Cheers then !
Francois 

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General Discussion / Re: Drinking water in frozen lands
« on: August 02, 2009, 08:37:10 pm »

But salt water is not drinkable, is it?

Why not ? Why would salted food be edible while salted water would not be drinkable ? Funny that people saying sea water is undrinkable are the same ones eating salted food !

Alain Bombard crossed the Atlantic Ocean on a lifeboat to show that we can survive on raw fish and seawater :

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http://www.ourdailydead.com/2005/07/page/2/ Published: July 24, 2005
Alain Bombard, who deliberately drifted across the Atlantic for 65 days in a lifeboat with no provisions - subsisting on plankton, saltwater and raw fish - to prove it was possible, died on July 19 at a hospital in Toulon, France. He was 80.

Dr. Bombard became an instant legend in France in 1952 when he drifted from the Canary Islands to Barbados in a small rubber boat.

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General Discussion / Re: Raw eggs: whites and yolks.
« on: August 02, 2009, 04:39:56 pm »
I've seen about people feeding their dogs or cats entire raw eggs they said they ate everything, shell and all, so maybe this is more common among pets than eating only white or yolk? Here are some examples from the PaleoFood forum:
> "My dog eats [eggs] raw, including the shell."
> "...what you do is let him roll the eggs around on the floor or ground until they crack. Then he'll figure out the good stuff is inside, bite it open, and lick up all the goodie, and then crunch up the shell like a Dorito."

We can also eat the shell or some of it if we like it ! Apparently there are different dogs, with different tastes, different needs and different behaviors... just like different humans !

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What are the purported reasons or benefits why I should eat eggs like your cat--first the white, then the yolk, then the next white, then the next yolk, and so on (or vice-versa)?
I like both the egg yolk and white and my instinct, taste, mouth-feel and hunger tell me to eat the whole thing at once. I find on ZC that my appetite and digestion have improved and I come closer to "wolfing" my food down (I do chew it, but I am able to eat and digest it rather rapidly). I don't feel an urge to spend time separating little things like egg contents apart or sucking first one part, then another.

It seems to me that most mammals choose carefully what they eat, often selecting a part and leaving the rest. Of course, if we like both whites and yolks (and perhaps shells also !) we can eat entire eggs at once ! I suppose we would do it in case of extreme hunger. But eating each part separately allows us to “fine tune” and adjust our intakes closer to our body needs. For example, one may eat 4 whites and 7 yolks, plus perhaps a little bit of shell.

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Right, that sounds like two rules: 1) eat “what smells and tastes good is good for you” and 2) don't eat anything  artificial, processed, mixed, or heated over 40°C (and the second rule could be considered four rules if I was being picky ;) ).

OK  Phill ! In an environment 100% natural only rule 1 applies. Rule 2 becomes necessary when new stuff and processes that haven’t been present long enough (at least some hundreds thousands years probably) in the environment in which our ancestors evolved are added.   

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Apparently, another Instincto rule is that it's OK to eat some foods that were inedible and/or unavailable during the Stone Age, like domesticated bananas, as long as they are part of a Stone Age category of foods (like fruits). I used to think this was an OK assumption to follow, but I question it now (as regards what works for me).

I agree that must be questioned. (By the way, everything should be questioned to satisfy Descartes rule of methodical doubt – which is a fundamental pillar of the scientific method.) At least we should be cautious with food like bananas, as well as all stuff that has been subject to intensive artificial selection, and always prefer the wildest available varieties. This applies to meat as well.

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Basically, what I do well on. I had a similar experience as Lex. I didn't do well eating what my parents or tastes told me to eat and what the doctors and "experts" were telling me and doing for me didn't help much, so I did my own research, found that much of the raw science substantially disagreed with conventional medicine, nutrition and the popular media. My research provided clues as to what would be optimal. I also asked a lot of questions, like I am of you now. I tested the claims that made the most sense and could withstand logical questioning and investigation and found what I did well on. Because of all the artificial and processed junk in the world that overrides our instincts, we can no longer rely on instinct alone to determine what foods to eat, as you discussed above, and have to rely also on our brains.

Yes, sound approach – which is similar to mine.

I would add that it can be sometimes misleading to base one’s conclusions on short term observations. For example, a cup of coffee can make you feel better for a while and conversely a raw wild food that you liked may trigger an uncomfortable detoxination process (beneficial in the end, but not appearing so at first sight). These facts complicate our investigations quite a lot and it is often difficult to establish clearly what would be our “optimal food”. 

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Yes. I don't concern myself too much about what other people are eating beyond close friends and relatives, except in fleshing out my own thinking and advancing my own learning. As a matter of fact, if you could change your diet to grains, dairy, legumes, sweeteners and additives, that might help keep the cost of my meat/fat/organs down (just kidding ;) or am I?  :o ).

I don’t know, really. Agriculture is probably the greatest environmental nuisance on Earth; by buying its products we contribute to the degradation of our living conditions.

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Yes, these points make more intuitive sense to me than separating whites and yolks, and, yes, these are reasons why I limit the amount of eggs I eat and am trying to keep enough easy-to-eat meat/fat/organs on hand that I won't need the convenience of eggs as much. Because our foods are changed and adulterated in ways like this, we can no longer rely on instinct alone, unfortunately, and have to also rely on our brains.

Sure. Eggs satisfying our requirements are not available all year round and therefore the period in which we can eat good enough eggs is naturally limited. 

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Some people cheat with other foods that are not 100% Paleo like like butter or kefir. My cheats at this point in my transition are eating eggs year-round, teas, some olive oil, some light cooking of certain meats/fish, and tallow/pemmican. I doubt I'll ever be able to be 100% "pure," if that's even possible in the modern world. My objective is to maximize my health and well being rather than to hold to some level of purity for its own sake. For example, if I stop drinking tea completely it will be because there is a plausible reason for doing so (antinutrients) and because I do better when I do (possibly avoid occasional heartburn)--not just because tea is heated. I believe that rules should serve me, rather than that I should serve rules. If becoming more pure makes sense, helps my health and well being, and is practicable, then I'll do it. One problem I face is that I live in a tiny urban apartment without cellar or pantry storage and a tiny fridge, so it is more difficult for me to be pure than many people.

Throw away your damned cooker, it’ll make more room in your apartment – perhaps useful to bring in a bigger fridge ! Tea is very similar to coffee (example I mentioned above) and cooking, even light or perhaps even more so, is harmful and only generate entropy >D. You might try raw, unmixed tea leaves and check how it tastes. 

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BTW, I don't want to come across as too critical of Instincto, as it is very close to my own approach, so I'll reiterate that it is far superior to SAD and correct on a lot of things, based on my own experience and research. Excellent posts, I'm learning quite a bit.

Thanks Phill. No problem, intelligent critics such as yours are constructive and very much welcome.

Cheers
Francois

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General Discussion / Re: Raw eggs: whites and yolks.
« on: August 02, 2009, 05:59:33 am »
I have now my own hens, ducks and gooses on a large pasture area with fruits trees and a pond fed by a spring. I add just a little bit of organic sorghum and occasionally melons seeds or other raw leftovers. 

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Primal Diet / Re: raw meat vs. frozen
« on: August 02, 2009, 12:31:24 am »
Pemmican is such a concentrate food that there is no way to overeat it.

Just like raviolis, then ?  ;D


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General Discussion / Re: Raw eggs: whites and yolks.
« on: August 01, 2009, 09:12:18 pm »
I had read the opposite advice: that if you're going to eat egg whites, which contain the biotin-depleting avidin, make sure you also eat the yolks, which are rich in biotin and allegedly contain more than enough biotin to offset the avidin (which is something that vegetarians and vegans--the main critics of eggs--conveniently fail to reveal).

I mean, when you break a small hole in an egg's shell, the white comes out first. You can drink it if you like, reject it if you don't like it,  and subsequently eat the yolk. Then you proceed the same way with the next egg. I don’t know anyone eating only the whites and rejecting the yolks, but the opposite is quite frequent.


Also, I'm sorry, but I cannot imagine Stone Agers separating out whites and yolks and discarding one or the other or ingesting them separately. It doesn't seem instinctive to me. I don't think that Stone Agers had much in the way of dietary rules other than simple stuff like, "Don't eat that, son--it tastes nasty and will make you sick," or "That is good to eat if you get the runs, but it's not good as a regular food," or "Auroch fat is good medicine," etc.

Dogs are able to separate the whites and the yolks and choose instinctively the part they like or both. If dogs and babies can do that (my small cat also drinks often the white first !), why Stone Agers wouldn’t be able to reject the white if they didn’t like it ? It’s absolutely opposed to a dietary rule, it’s just a matter of instinctively avoiding ingestion of something you personally don’t like. You do not have to tell an animal how something tastes. There’s no other rule than “what smells and tastes good is good for you”. As I already mentioned it doesn’t work with things artificial, processed, mixed and heated over 40°C. By the way, a whole sequence of process is needed to get milk from an other animal specie or a bowl of grain.

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For those, like Lex, who say that eggs are small and hard to come by in the wild, I have a few questions: 1) Weren't ocean fish and sea mammals rarely eaten by most Stone Agers (as the vast majority lived inland, yes?), yet the coastal Inuit thrived on these foods. So being less commonly eaten doesn't seem to be a reason to automatically exclude a food, though I agree it does raise questions. 2) I've read that bird eggs are eaten by rats and chimps. If rats and chimps can manage to get some, wouldn't it have been even easier for humans to do so? 3) I have seen entire islands completely covered with birds' nests. Wildlife was more plentiful in the past, so perhaps it wasn't as hard to get birds eggs in the spring and early summer laying season as one might think? In general I've found when I've researched questions like this, that early humans and even less primates had more ability to obtain foods than people tend to give them credit for (the misguided myths of the "dumb, brute savage" and "unthinking, mimicking chimp" are still widely held).

I couldn’t agree more. There was also for example plentiful of easily accessible sea turtles eggs (an absolute delight), swans eggs and other extinct or almost extinct animals. Like all wildlife, shellfish stock has been plundered: it was really abundant in the past. The same fate is now given to the ocean fish stock and if goes on like that with an ever expanding population of “homo culinaris”, there’ll be soon nothing left to eat.   

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I try to keep the amount (of eggs) I eat down, however, as they are a less optimal food than the raw meat/fat/organs of bigger animals.

How do you know that ? How do you define the concept of “optimal food” ? Don’t you think that a food can be optimal for someone at a given moment and non optimal at another time – or for someone else ?

Cheers
Francois

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General Discussion / Re: Raw eggs: whites and yolks.
« on: August 01, 2009, 06:10:51 am »
You're right, the white and the yoke should be ingested separately and if you do not like the white, spit it. For the following eggs, separate the white in a glass or a cup (to give to someone such as me who likes it !) and ingest the yoke only.

Many people don’t like and therefore cannot digest well or metabolize the whites (it’s the case of my former girlfriend : she kept the whites for me  :-*). Some people like, digest and apparently metabolize both well .

Cheers
Francois

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Journals / Re: A day in the life of TylerDurden
« on: August 01, 2009, 05:34:29 am »
I learned quite a lot while reading this  interesting thread. Thanks Tyler and others ! The following comments come to my mind.

Plus, a lot of people do very badly on zero-carb, raw or otherwise, judging from reports of RPDers. I'm not the only one. Though, I'll grant that the overwhelming majority of people do better on raw,low-carb(<35%) than raw, high-carb(like Instincto)(80%+ raw plant-foods).

There’s no such thing as percentage of carbs – protein – animal food – plant food in instincto. Everyone is different and of course we also change with time; therefore our % intake of  different foodstuff varies over time. Many people eating “instincto” consume a lot of meat, oyster, eggs, fish. Personally it’s almost everyday in quite big quantities. When we like some particular food we may eat a staggering  amount of it in a single meal  or during several consecutive meals –  by the way just like wild animals. Since our choice of food is instinctive, it may well be 100 % RAF for a while, or on the opposite100 % plants for a few days. That’s the way to fulfill our personally specific, transient and ever-changing  body needs.
 
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As regards the cooked-food-issue, I've heard claims that detox can be stopped if one readds enough cooked-foods(c.50% of diet?) - the Aajonus interpretation of that would be that that large an amount of cooked-foods overwhelms the body thus diverting the toxins into the fat-cells instead of them being expelled.

Interesting. It's at least plausible. It might be similar to how I didn't notice that gluten was doing a number on me because I was eating it so regularly that my body was constantly overwhelmed, resulting in a very gradual increase in chronic symptoms rather than a violent detox- or allergic-type reaction. It was only when I stopped eating gluten completely for over 3 weeks that my systems calmed down enough that a gluten challenge resulted in severe symptoms.

Yes, that’s almost exactly what has been verified in instincto experiments and theorized by GC Burger – in late 60s or perhaps early 70s ! ;) 

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I'm saying that adaptation to a healthy (raw)food should really  take only a few months(barring serious digestion-related issues like a seriously damaged liver/pancreas etc.) I can only base this on mine and others experience, of course(I took 8 months longer than most  because of the raw dairy, but that was because I was hyper-allergic to it, and it took that long for me to find that out). Most, on the other hand, find it only takes weeks or a couple of months to adjust(if they go 95%+ raw; as a result, it's usually recommended to go 85%+ raw to ensure rapid adaptation to raw.

We should recognize two distinct phenomenon : genetic adaptation and habituation. There’s no delay in genetic adaptation to paleo raw food: adaptation has been thoroughly perfected during millions of years of evolution and is still  there in the genes of each of us. Thus we can jump to 100 % raw paleo food straight away if we want. That’s what I did 22 years ago and never regretted.

Habituation to grain, dairy and cooked food is why most people feel OK for years with a SAD (what about Standard European Diet ?  ;)). Grain, dairy and cooked food are kind of drugs : by eating it 3 or more times a day results in the body tolerating it and avoiding any  defense reactions since it would be permanent and thus impracticable.

After a few days (normally about a week) of instinctive paleo nutrition, the body gets out of tolerance and apparently starts to eliminate the garbage previously introduced with cooked food, grain and dairy. This “detox” may be somewhat uncomfortable for a while but it’s been found out that the best way to control it is to stick to 100 % instinctive raw paleo food: any small intake of cooked food is bound to exacerbate  the detox. 

Cheers
Francois

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Primal Diet / Re: raw meat vs. frozen
« on: July 30, 2009, 11:38:06 pm »
Water is more appropriate for hydration, and meat for nourishing...
Modern fruits are poison, and wild fruits are inedible...

Good joke, Fred ! I suppose you know that everything becomes a poison when eaten in excessive amount and that even a noxious chemical such as DHMO (dihydrogen monoxide, see http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html) can be beneficial to our health when taken in limited quantity.

What about modern foodstuffs such as pemmican made of the meat of modern animals like beef, pig or sheep ? How do you know when you’ve eaten enough of it, at which point any additional amount will become noxious to you ?

Cheers
Francois, omnivore

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Primal Diet / Re: raw meat vs. frozen
« on: July 29, 2009, 03:22:46 am »
http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/selection-and-storage-of-foods-part-i/does-freezing-harm-foods.html :

"When a food is frozen, its water expands. This causes two immediately destructive occurrences:
(...)"

Thanks Fred, very interesting ! GC Burger told us about their experiments with their pigs left outside in freezing weather. There was frozen apples on the ground and they let the pigs eat it. They showed no sign of troubles as long as the apples were still frozen, thaw happening in the pigs mouths. But once the temperature rose over 0°C, the apples thawed on the ground before the pigs ate it. Then they showed some troubles - GC Burger didn't elaborate and we didn't ask him what kind of troubles, but here's what he told us, concluding that it's probably OK to eat frozen food as long as thawing happens inside the mouth !

Francois

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: My tooth
« on: July 29, 2009, 02:58:46 am »
I think Weston A. Price reported seeing teeth cavities that had self-filled, self-healed, after the persons were forced to return to their ancestral diet after the shipping connection with the outside world was abandoned. I couldn't believe that. But your report seems to validate Weston Price's account ! 

Francois

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: RAF quality
« on: July 29, 2009, 02:40:59 am »
The horse meat in Switzerland will never be from Australia! I used to eat horse meat and that was always Swiss or from Canada/USA. You will never know the grain fed or grass fed for shore - just do your best and stay open to what you can find threw connections to farmers or good stores.
Nicola

Yes, Nicola you can find Australian horse meat in Aligro supermarkets at Chavannes-Renens(Lausanne) and Carouge (Geneva). http://www.aligro.ch/index1024_d.cfm. I lived very near the first till recently. I would never eat US or Canadian horse meat since they are most probably at least "grain finished".

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: RAF quality
« on: July 28, 2009, 09:51:07 pm »

What about the fresh Australian horse meat available at some supermarkets in Switzerland (shipped by air I think)? Are Australian horses grain fed or not ?

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