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Re: New theory that diary and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2017, 01:08:24 am »
Not exactly a new theory, Its just a different take on the revelations of Weston Price, regarding the general retarding of the head, jaw, teeth, and overall bone structure found in modern civilized people.
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 03:49:58 am »
In his studies and writings Weston Price didn't identify dairy as a cause of bones weakening. But other authors did. I referenced some of their articles available online here: http://paleocru.rawpaleodietforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,8.msg15.html#msg15 (scroll down for English ones).
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2017, 01:45:10 pm »
In his cat studies, Dr Pottenger discovered that cooked and processed milk caused bone deterioration, as well as a host of other diseases, while raw and nontoxic milk helped with or cured these problems.
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2017, 01:54:17 pm »
Also, During the early 20th century, Weston A. Price visited the Masai people of eastern Africa and found them to be disease free and lacking dental decay, a measure he used to extrapolate overall bone health, and by extension, health in general.

The Masai diet back then consisted mainly of 3 foods, in order of volume, raw milk, raw blood, and raw meat.

Now that they were forced to add grains into their diet and are cooking much of their foods, including the milk, they have a lot of disease and plenty of dental decay.
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2017, 04:53:42 pm »
Both, Pottenger and Price, compared diets of cooked various foods including cooked milk or dairy against diets of various raw foods including raw dairy. Of course, they found out that populations (of cats and humans) having a raw diet had a better health than those having a partly or completely cooked diet!

They didn't compare populations having a raw diet without dairy against populations having a raw diet with dairy.   
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2017, 06:34:24 pm »
Both, Pottenger and Price, compared diets of cooked various foods including cooked milk or dairy against diets of various raw foods including raw dairy. Of course, they found out that populations (of cats and humans) having a raw diet had a better health than those having a partly or completely cooked diet!

They didn't compare populations having a raw diet without dairy against populations having a raw diet with dairy.   

And who compared populations with a raw diet without dairy to populations with a raw diet + raw dairy?
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2017, 07:25:08 pm »
In the 60's GCB with help of friends did thorough such experiments on animals, mostly mice, hundreds of them. AFAIK he was the first to suspect something was wrong with dairy in our diet. Pottenger and Price researches had been done long before, at a time when no one ever suspect milk and dairy since they were considered "natural foods", as white as angels!

You have GCB's book, since I send it to you in pdf. Why don't you read it?   

See also this paper: http://www.jbc.org/content/254/7/2446.full.pdf+html
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2017, 07:43:00 pm »
I'll read those, thanks
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Re: New theory that dairy and cereals caused shrinkage of human skull
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2017, 10:50:18 pm »
I dont believe that dairy caused such huge changes in humans