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Members' Journals => Journals => Topic started by: Celeste on February 04, 2014, 07:39:16 am
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Well, thought I'd start a journal to keep track of experiments... progress, instead of the welcoming pages. I watched the film Eveheart recommended today. My favorite part was how they could tell by bone analysis how much plant and animal foods people at that time were eating. This is interesting to me as I have asked the question ZC or not ZC? I'm already clear about no grains. It's mostly over dairy, how much plant foods, source of fats.
Just had a snack of blueberries, walnuts and cultured heavy cream. After reading others responses to me regarding dairy, thought I'd give it a try. Maybe it will help to settle my nervous system. Fats do have a way of relaxing the body. The pain in my arm is subsiding. A nap sounds good.
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There are many testimonials, just on this Forum alone, and myself included that had disastrous results from attempting ZC. Its been one year since my attempt at ZC and I am still recovering from the damages done.
PaleoPhil has recently posted many articles and studies about the extreme harmful effects of ZC and might be worth checking out.
I don't mean to tell you what to do I just wish someone had mentioned the negative consequences of ZC before I tried it.
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I think Raw ZC should be used as a temporary remedy, not long term.
...And not for beginners of RPD.
I used 3 days of Raw ZC for my then 5 yr old daughter to stop inflammation in a tooth infection. The dentist wanted antibiotics for 7 days. I gave Raw ZC to the girl for 3 days. The dentist said in 3 days the pain will be taken away by antibiotics. Raw ZC took away the pain in 2 days.
I gave her raw bone marrow, raw liver and raw muscle meat plus mineral water.
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I didn't have problems when ZC. I feel it was a necessary part of my healing. It was not initially a conscious decision to eat according to a certain dogma, I just ate what my body would tolerate. Then came the internet search that led me to AV, this forum, and all the rest :)
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There are many testimonials, just on this Forum alone, and myself included that had disastrous results from attempting ZC. Its been one year since my attempt at ZC and I am still recovering from the damages done.
PaleoPhil has recently posted many articles and studies about the extreme harmful effects of ZC and might be worth checking out.
I don't mean to tell you what to do I just wish someone had mentioned the negative consequences of ZC before I tried it.
Believe me, this is the kind of feedback I need. I've done it before raw and cooked, and there was a point each time where my body said no. But thought maybe I was not doing it right. Maybe needed more minerals... etc.
What happened to you over the long run? Are those articles under health?
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Thank you all for the feedback on the ZC question. It helps to see it as a tool, not a permanent WOE.
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I think it has to do with our mitochondria being rather bad... or something not working properly in the body, why you do not tolerate a ZC diet. I think it would be important to get labs done to sort out the issues. We are meant to be able to function and burn fat for fuel as human. That is why we have fat on our bodies too. When we cannot, we should not blame the diet but look what is wrong with our body instead and fix it.
I think most of us drink way too little water. And chlorinated tap water won't do. It needs to be spring or well water or RO. The water quality is a big issue.
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I think it has to do with our mitochondria being rather bad... or something not working properly in the body, why you do not tolerate a ZC diet. I think it would be important to get labs done to sort out the issues. We are meant to be able to function and burn fat for fuel as human. That is why we have fat on our bodies too. When we cannot, we should not blame the diet but look what is wrong with our body instead and fix it.
I think most of us drink way too little water. And chlorinated tap water won't do. It needs to be spring or well water or RO. The water quality is a big issue.
I do want to do labs once I'm healed enough to get around. Thanks for the input on the ZC. What percentage of the time have you used it? I notice you do eat berries and wild greens. Once when we were camping in Maine in the woods I ate some wild ferns and greens. :) I love reading how you sleep in your tent surrounded by nature. Being connected to nature is important to me. Besides hiking every weekend (prior) we took out our lawns front and back and planted a native garden. Lots of sages, yarrow, native grasses, wild grapes, currants, and rushes. Having my hands in the dirt is so healing to me.
About water, an important topic, I bet you have great water there. My concern is beginning to be, is there bacteria in the water to be life sustaining. If I have been using RO water and this supplement Concentrace (a ancient sea bed concentrate solar refined) would these minerals not get used. I need to call the company and get more info. For now I'm going to stop using it just in case.
In searching I could not find the email AV had sent out regarding Gerolsteiner having bacteria. I did find an email though where I referred to my initial consult with AV and his telling me some of my metal toxicity came from using mezotrace/concentrace. I know Sally Fallon lists trace mineral liquid or powders among favorable supplements in Nourishing Traditions. Until I know though I'm going to leave it out. I may even consider doing dairy again. I just need to heal.
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Believe me, this is the kind of feedback I need. I've done it before raw and cooked, and there was a point each time where my body said no. But thought maybe I was not doing it right. Maybe needed more minerals... etc.
What happened to you over the long run? Are those articles under health?
I definitely agree with Inger about getting your labs done.
When I did ZC I lost 25 pounds which means I went from 150 to 125 in two weeks. I had the feeling of not being able to breathe like a 50 pound weight was on my chest. I also started to get a raised bump of skin next to my nose which I have later found out is related to the liver.
I got a sinus infection from it that has lasted a year now and is just barely going away since I have started eating lots and lots of fruit and honey and raw milk. I average about 300-500 carbs a day and feel really well doing so. I am not advocating this for anyone just saying what I have found to work for me.
My temperatures were rather low like 94-96 F after my ZC experiment.
Now since I have been eating three months of lots and lots of raw carbs my temperature is 97-98 F and my skin and weight are much much better.
If you scroll to the bottom of the homepage you can see “recent posts” and there is a lot of activity going on with the ZC topics and gut bacteria mainly from PaleoPhil who advocates a resistant starch to help keep good bacteria up.
Here is an article explaining how a basically low carb animal protein based diet alters our gut bacteria in a negative way.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/12/10/250007042/chowing-down-on-meat-and-dairy-alters-gut-bacteria-a-lot-and-quickly (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/12/10/250007042/chowing-down-on-meat-and-dairy-alters-gut-bacteria-a-lot-and-quickly)
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I definitely agree with Inger about getting your labs done.
When I did ZC I lost 25 pounds which means I went from 150 to 125 in two weeks. I had the feeling of not being able to breathe like a 50 pound weight was on my chest. I also started to get a raised bump of skin next to my nose which I have later found out is related to the liver.
I got a sinus infection from it that has lasted a year now and is just barely going away since I have started eating lots and lots of fruit and honey and raw milk. I average about 300-500 carbs a day and feel really well doing so. I am not advocating this for anyone just saying what I have found to work for me.
My temperatures were rather low like 94-96 F after my ZC experiment.
Now since I have been eating three months of lots and lots of raw carbs my temperature is 97-98 F and my skin and weight are much much better.
If you scroll to the bottom of the homepage you can see “recent posts” and there is a lot of activity going on with the ZC topics and gut bacteria mainly from PaleoPhil who advocates a resistant starch to help keep good bacteria up.
Here is an article explaining how a basically low carb animal protein based diet alters our gut bacteria in a negative way.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/12/10/250007042/chowing-down-on-meat-and-dairy-alters-gut-bacteria-a-lot-and-quickly (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/12/10/250007042/chowing-down-on-meat-and-dairy-alters-gut-bacteria-a-lot-and-quickly)
That is interesting what you say. Last night after reading some on gut bacteria, I decided to add a little unheated honey to my meat and fermented veggies, butter I was eating. I prior have had very little appetite since the accident and had eaten VLC. I did sleep better. This morning I was looking up what AV had to say on brittle and broken bones. Besides the bone marrow (which I am doing) he had #1 drinking raw milk. I am strongly considering going back to it... maybe adding a little honey. I gain a lot of weight drinking milk, but think I'd be foolish to make weight loss my priority right now.
I still need to find out what this RS is. Thanks.
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That is interesting what you say. Last night after reading some on gut bacteria, I decided to add a little unheated honey to my meat and fermented veggies, butter I was eating. I prior have had very little appetite since the accident and had eaten VLC. I did sleep better. This morning I was looking up what AV had to say on brittle and broken bones. Besides the bone marrow (which I am doing) he had #1 drinking raw milk. I am strongly considering going back to it... maybe adding a little honey. I gain a lot of weight drinking milk, but think I'd be foolish to make weight loss my priority right now.
I still need to find out what this RS is. Thanks.
I feel better eating my meat with carbs as well. Usually in the form of honey or tropical fruit.
When I was raw paleo (no dairy) I ate resistant starch for about 5 months and felt like it was a wonderful addition to my diet at the time.
Then I decided I wanted raw dairy back in my diet and quickly found out that I could not handle both dairy and resistant starch in my diet. I have since then heard similar accounts from others experiences.
Some people, like PaleoPhil, are able to tolerate both resistant starch and raw dairy in the diet.
I am definitely not one of them though.
Here is where I learned pretty much everything on RS.
http://freetheanimal.com/ (http://freetheanimal.com/)
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Well I bought and drank raw milk last night. Then had a nice hot bath before bed. I awoke later to feel my intestines gurgling, familiar to my prior milk drinking experiences. I had the thought, "hmm not sure if this is going to work." Later though awoke to feel a strength and fluidity that has not been there since my accident in my arm. And when I awoke in the morning my first thought was not about my wrist at all for a few moments, which surprised me.
Regarding the fat/carb question, I've definitely had given preference to fats over carbs in the last few years. It is interesting though, when ZC I actually would get rather thick in the torso. I wonder if this has to do with the liver enlarging piece. It is hard to generalize though, as I think the source of the fat makes a lot of difference. Using marrow and bison back fat prior I would stay rather lean. But using butter or cooked tallow I would actually put on weight.
For now I think I need to do a little carb. How I'm eating is changing a lot daily, in these stages of learning. My plan to gain some stability is to do primal at least today and see how it feels. Yesterday, since I was not sure what to eat, I had skipped lunch and was very hungry at dinner, when I had raw meat (ground and roast) fermented veggies and cultured butter. I did not feel satisfied though. This may be an adjustment to adding more carbs. I think though, that it is not good for me to miss meals. Also I think I'll forgo honey for now. Its is a bit too carby for me.
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Ignore all the scare-mongering re supposed dangers of RZC. Most of us all eventually realised that experimenting on our own bodies was a far better way to regain health than listneing to other people.
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Well I bought and drank raw milk last night. Then had a nice hot bath before bed. I awoke later to feel my intestines gurgling, familiar to my prior milk drinking experiences. I had the thought, "hmm not sure if this is going to work." Later though awoke to feel a strength and fluidity that has not been there since my accident in my arm. And when I awoke in the morning my first thought was not about my wrist at all for a few moments, which surprised me.
Regarding the fat/carb question, I've definitely had given preference to fats over carbs in the last few years. It is interesting though, when ZC I actually would get rather thick in the torso. I wonder if this has to do with the liver enlarging piece. It is hard to generalize though, as I think the source of the fat makes a lot of difference. Using marrow and bison back fat prior I would stay rather lean. But using butter or cooked tallow I would actually put on weight.
For now I think I need to do a little carb. How I'm eating is changing a lot daily, in these stages of learning. My plan to gain some stability is to do primal at least today and see how it feels. Yesterday, since I was not sure what to eat, I had skipped lunch and was very hungry at dinner, when I had raw meat (ground and roast) fermented veggies and cultured butter. I did not feel satisfied though. This may be an adjustment to adding more carbs. I think though, that it is not good for me to miss meals. Also I think I'll forgo honey for now. Its is a bit too carby for me.
I feel the exact same way when trying to re-introduce dairy back into my diet especially milk. One thing I found to help was taking sips of it very slowly and mixing it with saliva.
Of course, you probably already know this, it seems milk tolerance takes a few weeks to adjust too. The ability to digest dairy kinda takes a commitment, hehe.
Good to hear about your strength though, I always enjoy the feeling of my body praising me for putting the right nutrients in it.
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Lactose is digested by lactase, which is formed in the colon by lactose digesting bacteria and utilized by the liver to digest lactose. One has to rebuild sufficient numbers of lactase to handle normal amounts of lactose found in milk. Supplementation of lacto bacteria, implants or orally can help. Or simply take very small amounts of milk initially and increase daily as your intestinal milk digesting bacteria increase.
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Thanks for the feedback all. I am keeping it small amounts on the milk for now. Just a few sips after a meat meal. Also did add less than a teaspoon of honey after all. I think I remember something about it containing enzymes. After breakfast I was a little tired and took a nap. Later this evening though after dinner, my energy has been good. Energized even. And I don't feel hungry, my stomach feels pretty happy.
Specifically for calcium needs I'll be getting the raw milk and bone marrow. I think this will be better than the bone meal supplements.
I continue to read. I read Eveheart's journal, and am part way through Da Boss's.
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May I suggest,,? When milk goes into your stomach, it coagulates, or forms curds. If you have other food there is will coagulate around those food particles, thus inhibiting further digestion of those particles. Milk also tends to be rather on the alkaline side and will dilute stomach acids needed to digest meat. Maybe this might help you to understand this.
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May I suggest,,? When milk goes into your stomach, it coagulates, or forms curds. If you have other food there is will coagulate around those food particles, thus inhibiting further digestion of those particles. Milk also tends to be rather on the alkaline side and will dilute stomach acids needed to digest meat. Maybe this might help you to understand this.
Of course, thank you Van. So you think it should be taken separately from the meat then? What about when the Masai drank milk and blood together?
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Okay, so I went to the primal diet section and found the thread on the Masai men getting fat drinking milk and blood. Not a good plug for the primal diet! I don't have enough fat to not use butter currently. I need to find my way through all of this. There are so many options that I'm getting a little confused. ???
Drinking milk alone, I do noticed my stomach negatively reacts to it more than when I had it today with meat. I've got to get my high meat going tomorrow.
Also on the RS issue, I could not eat potato starch. I once went to a nutritionist/dentist who prescribed a cooked paleo diet including potatoes. I had an allergic reaction to eating them where my face swelled up. I had a similar thing happen when eating sprouted nuts.
Hmm! Wonder what I'll eat tomorrow. So glad to be off work right now while I try to figure all this out.
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sorry if I may have added too much info. Are you drinking raw or pasteurized milk. The Masai I believe would actually let their mixture ferment or curdle. So it was a cultured product. Have to wonder why your stomach doesn't like it alone?
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Also on the RS issue, I could not eat potato starch.
The way I approached the foods on the list of RS in foods was to divide the list into "paleo" (unprocessed foods that a paleolithic person would find in her environment) and "supplements" (non-"paleo" foods that might have therapeutic value to me personally).
That threw out the first two pages (bread/pasta/cereal and corn) and ended up with a "paleo" list that contained cashews, pistachios, and jicama (from another discussion). I added green mango and lesser yam because I can get those in Vietnamese stores in my area. The list is not exhaustive, but it's a good start.
Things like potato starch are on my "supplements" list - there is no way that paleolithic man could possibly have eaten this type of processed food, even if it is raw and unmodified. The suggested use that I read about for potato starch is to mix it in with high-carb foods like mashed potatoes to offset the high insulin release in insulin-resistant persons. If you do not fall into that category, you might not need potato starch. If you are trying to moderate insulin release, you might mix it in to some other food you eat, but don't go overboard right away because you will probably have an intestinal effect.
My opinion about a food like unripe banana is that it is not a "paleo" food by my definition because instinctively I wouldn't eat a food that tasted like that. I imagine that my clan would have known that bananas have to be yellow to taste good. Therefore, for me, unripe banana would be a "supplement" that you ate to obtain RS. IMO, why choke down a stinkin' green banana when you could eat a handful of cashews? Here is a discussion about how ripeness of fruit affects both taste and nutritional value: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/brix-and-health/msg71425/#msg71425 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/brix-and-health/msg71425/#msg71425). You don't need to use a refractometer to measure brix. Your nose and mouth can guide you.
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IMO, why choke down a stinkin' green banana when you could eat a handful of cashews?
Cashew apples sound way more appealing IMO, lol. To get to the actual cashew, one must brave a shell containing urushiol, which will blister your skin like poison oak/ivy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew)
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sorry if I may have added too much info. Are you drinking raw or pasteurized milk. The Masai I believe would actually let their mixture ferment or curdle. So it was a cultured product. Have to wonder why your stomach doesn't like it alone?
Raw milk. I think it may be the milk sugar. I did try about a month ago raw greek yogurt from Miller. It was tasty. I also had tried making kefir prior a few years back. It did make my face look weird... tired. I wanted this to work as the milk is an easy source. Also cause AV said so. -\ This is where I can get into trouble if I don't place experience above theory. This was a good experience I think overall.
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The way I approached the foods on the list of RS in foods was to divide the list into "paleo" (unprocessed foods that a paleolithic person would find in her environment) and "supplements" (non-"paleo" foods that might have therapeutic value to me personally).
Interesting. So, eveheart do you have a link to the list? Funny, I was busting my boyfriend's ass for giving pistachios to our dog, who likes them. And what would one eat an unripe banana with? I'm thinking on its own. And if were to get ripe what effect does it cause? I'm thinking unripe is just then starchy. At the zoo the bananas they give them are green, from what I've seen. Do you eat the yam raw? My goodness so much to learn.
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So, eveheart do you have a link to the list?
http://freetheanimal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Resistant-Starch-in-Foods.pdf (http://freetheanimal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Resistant-Starch-in-Foods.pdf). This is not a complete list - probably more foods will be tested as the RS concept becomes more popular. Just keep your eyes open.
I'm not an authority on food preparation, such as yams. There are many varieties - kinda like mushrooms - I ask about preparation from places where I buy the stuff. Usually, I just strike up a conversation with a few other shoppers, but that's because I live in a huge ethnic melting pot where I can find people who know about the foods being sold.
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Yesterday tried meat, bone marrow and fermented veggies for two meals and a snack of moderately green banana. Also had gone back to taking the bone meal, fermented cod liver & organ delight supplements. Mid-afternoon though my fingers started to swell again. Also we had run out of RO water. I had Gerolsteiner, but it was not rehydrating me. At night I couldn't get comfortable sleeping... tossed and turned and my wrist was starting to hurt again.
I remembered I had the makings for fresh green juice in the fridge. At 3:00 am I couldn't wait anymore. I got up and made a quart of green juice - celery, parsley, lemon, and 2.5 inches of tumeric root. I make it rather green. I haven't had green juice in awhile. I drank about 9 ounces and saved the rest. OMG, it so hit the spot. Not sure if I need it now for lymphatic cleansing. After cleaning up in the kitchen, I stopped by the bathroom to pee before returning to bed. While peeing, I could feel the heat leaving my body. I got back in bed, my boyfriend still fast asleep. Finally my body could relax. I found a comfy position, sighed and fell fast asleep until 7:00 am when Bodhi (our 105 lb. doberman woke us up for his morning walk).
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Had the green juice again today, alternated with this morning ground beef (have to get through my order) and bison sirloin and marrow. My body seems to like this... even though juice today was from the co-op (I always like my own better). Still my body seems to be using it to flush out inflammation. Today was my first day feeling somewhat normal. I'll have meat again, and maybe some blueberries with butter as a treat later. I can hardly wait until I can get my arm wet again. I am so looking forward to going to a hot spring and maybe getting a massage. I'm holding so much of the tension of the injury in my shoulders. -[
Will try to go back to work on Monday. I go to see the surgeon for follow up on Thursday. I mostly sit all day with light typing. I can type with my right hand. The surgeon's office said they will give me up to a month off, but I am fairly new to my job and still on probation. I already had worked one day prior to surgery. At home I sleep most of the day, so I think getting back will do me some good. It is low stress and if I find it is too much can catch the train home.
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Yesterday tried meat, bone marrow and fermented veggies for two meals and a snack of moderately green banana. Also had gone back to taking the bone meal, fermented cod liver & organ delight supplements. Mid-afternoon though my fingers started to swell again. Also we had run out of RO water. I had Gerolsteiner, but it was not rehydrating me. At night I couldn't get comfortable sleeping... tossed and turned and my wrist was starting to hurt again.
I remembered I had the makings for fresh green juice in the fridge. At 3:00 am I couldn't wait anymore. I got up and made a quart of green juice - celery, parsley, lemon, and 2.5 inches of tumeric root. I make it rather green. I haven't had green juice in awhile. I drank about 9 ounces and saved the rest. OMG, it so hit the spot. Not sure if I need it now for lymphatic cleansing. After cleaning up in the kitchen, I stopped by the bathroom to pee before returning to bed. While peeing, I could feel the heat leaving my body. I got back in bed, my boyfriend still fast asleep. Finally my body could relax. I found a comfy position, sighed and fell fast asleep until 7:00 am when Bodhi (our 105 lb. doberman woke us up for his morning walk).
As much as I wanted to take cod liver oil, for the vit A and D and K2, I found out that it does not work for me. I personally limit my consumption of PUFA and feel a lot better doing so.
PUFA may increase inflammation.
I feel better only eating saturated fat.
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As much as I wanted to take cod liver oil, for the vit A and D and K2, I found out that it does not work for me. I personally limit my consumption of PUFA and feel a lot better doing so.
PUFA may increase inflammation.
I feel better only eating saturated fat.
What are sources of PUFA so I can know if I should limit them? What are your sources of saturated fat that you are using? Thanks.
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Well I went back to work for only 6 hours. I realize that my highest priority is resting and healing for now. I see the surgeon on Thursday for follow-up. After getting his feedback, I'll decide when to go back.
Lately have been having green juices, alternated with bison steak and marrow (and some raw butter if need additional fat). I also have been leaving raw milk out to warm, age slightly and seem to digest it okay. Haven't had berries in awhile and may have some or organic pineapple if I can find it today.
I've also stopped using the supplements. The bison marrow has lots of tiny bone fragments when I scoop it out. This plus the raw marrow is probably way better than any supplement I could take. The only problem is then my puppy dog who loves bones and marrow sits and gives me sad starving puppy dog looks until I share with him. Here he is after eating a little too much of my breakfast the other day. (http://)
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What are sources of PUFA so I can know if I should limit them? What are your sources of saturated fat that you are using? Thanks.
The real damaging sources of PUFA are vegetable oils - corn oil, canola oil, etc.
Most high quality, whole animal foods are fine - grass fed marrow, suet (which I personally don't care for), muscle meat trimmings, fatty meat/organs, egg yolks, etc. are all good sources of fat.
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The real damaging sources of PUFA are vegetable oils - corn oil, canola oil, etc.
Most high quality, whole animal foods are fine - grass fed marrow, suet (which I personally don't care for), muscle meat trimmings, fatty meat/organs, egg yolks, etc. are all good sources of fat.
Good to know. I do find I don't care to use oils... even olive and flax I minimize. I will on occasion have a handful of nuts.
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Any kind of fat that is majority PUFA does not make me feel good. It took me a long time to figure this out but I prefer only the most saturated fats as my main source.
Butter and coconut oil are my main source and I eat a little with each meal.
I also think small amounts of bone marrow is good.
Animal fat and suet is probably good too. I for some reason can't digest it though, at least not yet.
IMO even fish oil is harmful because of its PUFA ratio.
I think there are better ways of getting the nutrients than consuming fish oil.
When babies are born they are "deficient" in PUFA even if the mother was consuming them because the placenta blocks PUFA suggesting it is not healthy for us. (even if it was fish oil)
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Any kind of fat that is majority PUFA does not make me feel good. It took me a long time to figure this out but I prefer only the most saturated fats as my main source.
Butter and coconut oil are my main source and I eat a little with each meal.
I also think small amounts of bone marrow is good.
Animal fat and suet is probably good too. I for some reason can't digest it though, at least not yet.
IMO even fish oil is harmful because of its PUFA ratio.
I think there are better ways of getting the nutrients than consuming fish oil.
When babies are born they are "deficient" in PUFA even if the mother was consuming them because the placenta blocks PUFA suggesting it is not healthy for us. (even if it was fish oil)
Thanks. Good to see that someone else also uses butter. I've used coconut oil only when I've run out of butter. I don't like suet... too chalky. I have used backfat before which was tasty, more tender. I cut back on my marrow bones this week's order. They are so expensive. My dog will be disappointed. ;D I also ordered unsalted raw farmers cheese for this week to try.
I am finding I have a hard time with fruit. I tried a small amount of pineapple in my green juice from a recipe AV had. He said it has an enzyme good for mending broken bones. After two days my gums felt inflamed and I felt anxious/emotional. I add a little raw butter prior to drinking juice, but decided to leave it out making juice this morning. I remember I ate raw pineapple among a few other fruits when socializing last year, and it had this same effect on my gums. I can get away with blueberries 2-3 times a week with butter, but I think I am just sensitive to fruit sugar.
Went to the doctor Thursday. I felt relieved as he was really pleased with the reduction (bone setting/straightening) and how the healing was progressing. He said it was up to me to work hard at the physical therapy in order to have a normal wrist. This was very different from what he said when we first met just before surgery. He told me this will never be a normal wrist again. I think in some strange way this negative experience of the break served as a wake up call for me. I was straying from RPD, and think somehow it did not matter as much. I have been 100% since the accident and have no desire to stray. This will be a challenge as we are having company this next week for about 3 days. I want to minimize meals out as much as possible.
Don't think I shared this, but during this whole ordeal I found out my older sister has breast cancer, and will most likely be having a full mastectomy and chemo soon. She is in the UK. I feel shaky just thinking about it. I showed her AV's book years ago, to she and her husband. My son is adamant that I not share with him my thoughts about nutrition. I have learned I need to respect and support fully others choices... but thank god I have a right to my own. Can you tell I have a history with these issues.
Another interesting thing since my accident, I feel so very sensitive to the pain and suffering of others. I started to cry listening to a radio piece this morning about the impact it is having on people's lives in an area where they are having suicide bombings. I feel affected when I see people on the street homeless and very sick looking. When I hear about violence... I could not bear the watch a documentary my boyfriend was watching about people who fight their dogs to the death or severe injury. Aaaw! Disgusting! I feel so raw and vulnerable. I may need to up my fat and leave off the fruit.
To end on a positive note. I am happy that I have my journal, freedom to choose how I live, and that there are others seeking to heal themselves. :D
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Wow.. your dog is so beautiful...! No wonder, eating such great foods... happy dog :)
Celeste.. cutting carbs 100% (or very close to) will make you less "vulnerable" I guess. At least that is my own N=1 But otherwise feeling bad about "bad stuff" is very natural I think. It is kind of good to be sensitive to it, protects you from doing bad / hurt others too
I have the same issue suffering a lot when I see others suffering, I just hate it! But me too have had to learn, everyone have the freedom to choose their way, even if it is hurting themselves. So I have learned to just "keep some space" mentally from others to not try to help too much. And still always be there for them and help if they wish me to. If I feel the moment is right I also tell my opinion, in a kind way, not trying to push it. Just so people know there is other options too... if they want. :)
It is very challenging mentally to live different than most and take good care of ones health and then see how other destroys their and complain and suffer... and at the same time be able to stay open and always helpful to that person - continuing to walk your path even if completely alone.
But actually those challenges are great for me, I think. Life was not meant to be easy >D it is just to find the joy in challenges. It is pretty cool ;)
There are days I feel totally lost I can tell you! But it always passes... and most days I feel so happy I am kind of feeling guilty!
If I was you I would give your sister the book of Lynne Farrow about Iodine. I really would do that. To give books is a nice way to help, and if she is not interested now, she might be one day and read it then! The book is very inexpensive and you get it on amazon. I get someone is not ready to eat a raw diet with raw meat and stuff, but to try the Iodine protocol might be a beginning, so many women have gotten help from it. The author had breast cancer too and healed from it. It is an easy read too.
If your sister is a fan of sushi you could tell her about the great things raw seafood does for women's breasts/hormones. There are studies too out there about it. There is something in raw fish that suppresses the "bad estrogen" if I remember right, so in countries where they eat lots of raw fish they have way less breast cancer. Tell it to your sister, there are many delicious raw dishes with seafood to eat out there, like sashimi, chevice... etc
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I have the same issue suffering a lot when I see others suffering, I just hate it! But me too have had to learn, everyone have the freedom to choose their way, even if it is hurting themselves. So I have learned to just "keep some space" mentally from others to not try to help too much. And still always be there for them and help if they wish me to. If I feel the moment is right I also tell my opinion, in a kind way, not trying to push it. Just so people know there is other options too... if they want. :)
If I was you I would give your sister the book of Lynne Farrow about Iodine. I really would do that. To give books is a nice way to help, and if she is not interested now, she might be one day and read it then! The book is very inexpensive and you get it on amazon. I get someone is not ready to eat a raw diet with raw meat and stuff, but to try the Iodine protocol might be a beginning, so many women have gotten help from it. The author had breast cancer too and healed from it. It is an easy read too.
If your sister is a fan of sushi you could tell her about the great things raw seafood does for women's breasts/hormones. There are studies too out there about it. There is something in raw fish that suppresses the "bad estrogen" if I remember right, so in countries where they eat lots of raw fish they have way less breast cancer. Tell it to your sister, there are many delicious raw dishes with seafood to eat out there, like sashimi, chevice... etc
Thanks Inger. I imagine in your work you also do see suffering a lot. I am feeling better and actually today had cut out using honey with meat and in my green juice. So I think that while not ZC at the moment, fairly close to it is important for me. I will investigate that edge.
I did have some wild albacore from Fiji last week which I liked. I will check out the book on iodine protocol for myself too.
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Well our guests are gone and I got through the week with only 2 cooked meals. For one meal went out for hot pot and just took out the meat before too cooked. For the other one, went out for Islamic Chinese which consisted of little lamb kabobs and kimchee mostly. After both meals though I did not feel my best. I have been otherwise raw for over a month. My boyfriend eats mostly cooked paleo so has some understanding, but still he misses eating together. He did make me a raw chicken ceviche this week though. <3 Knives and one hand is dangerous. Using marrow and raw butter lately for fat. My diet looks like so far today:
green juice (celery, parsley, cilantro, lemon)
later,
bison, bison heart, bison marrow, butter
later,
8 oz. raw milk left out to warm/ferment
As I mentioned above stopped using honey today. I felt sleepy a lot using it, and wonder if it contributed to mood highs and lows. I'll go very light on the fruit too, if at all. I'm still up in the air on milk too. Want to emphasize meat and fat, eggs and small amounts of green juice.
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Well I pretty much have been eating this week raw grassfed beef (mixture of eye of round and a fatty ground mixture) and little raw butter as needed for fat, green juices 8 oz. twice a day and raw grassfed milk.
I started to notice a whitish rough parch of skin next to my mouth whenever I drink milk. My boyfriend joked that it is a milk mustache. It went away when I was drinking the milk as kefir, but on kefir my face was starting to get a really stressed look. While was thinking the milk would be good for calcium, I'm thinking the symptoms are signs of inflammation.
Years ago when I was totally dairy free those symptoms went away. Not even raw butter back then. The reason I hold onto raw butter is I'm afraid that I won't be getting enough fat.
Things I'm sure of:
-My body likes raw grassfed meat and fat (marrow, backfat)
-I have no desire for grains, nor starches in general
Things I am not sure about:
-Is dairy for me?
-Green juices?
-ZC or not ZC?
-Fruit or not?
-Fermented veggies?
Seems like there is more on the not sure list.
Also have been going through physical therapy. My fingers have gotten swollen again as a result, but not sure if that is also inflammation in response to dairy. Last drank milk last night before bed. Will try to not drink it for now. Will stay with the green juices as I don't want to try and change too much at once. Hmmm.
What are others using for calcium? Or should I not worry.
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For calcium you can do grounded egg shell!
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You bring up a good topic that I have thought about for quite some time.
From my research and self experimentation on healthy eating I have come to find it is very important to keep an equal calcium to phosphorous ration.
Meat is high in phosphorus.
Milk just has an idea calcium ration and is easy to obtain.
Egg shell powder and oyster shell powder have gotten good reviews because it has the right kind of calcium.
Native Americans were known to eat bone powder and high calcium greens with all of there meat.
http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional-diets/guts-and-grease (http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional-diets/guts-and-grease)
I do pretty well on dairy although I prefer cheese and yogurt and small amounts of milk.
A part of me feels that milk is not the ideal food to consume it is almost out of convenience rather than optimal health.
I am considering experimenting with eating bone powder or egg shell powder or oyster shell powder with my meat at some point and giving up the majority of my dairy.
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Well that was a short hiatus of being off dairy. ;D Yesterday, I started to notice a soreness, and slight looseness of my teeth. I noticed this prior when eating only green juices steak and butter. I also had noticed while drinking milk I did not have this. Even though I had switched back to the bone meal capsules Ron Schmid sells they did not stave off this symptom. After two days about and consideration, I came back to milk for now. I don't know if I'm milk intolerant or not, but I can't afford to risk my wrist not healing. I felt bad as I had promised a friend the quart of raw yogurt and half gallon of raw milk I just received. I had to go back on that and instead split it with her. So much for theory, I need to be practical. Only one day after restarting milk the symptom has subsided.
I've also started use Real Salt and dulse flakes added to the fatty ground beef/egg yolk mix I've been eating. Sometimes I throw in a little chopped onion.
I'm staying on the capsules of bone meal and raw organ mix. I did though order from Northstar Bison for the week:
ground bison
marrow bones
heart
liver
kidney
sirloin tip roast
I'm curious about the ideal ratio of calcium to magnesium now. I wonder if drinking the green juice only before put the magnesium too high relative to calcium.
Thanks for the link PC.
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You bring up a good topic that I have thought about for quite some time.
From my research and self experimentation on healthy eating I have come to find it is very important to keep an equal calcium to phosphorous ration.
Meat is high in phosphorus.
Milk just has an idea calcium ration and is easy to obtain.
PC, I remember reading in Page's writing the ratio of 10/4 I think it was in the blood work Ca/P.
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What greens are in your green juices Celeste?
Also where are you located in this world? There are some amazing wild greens popping up this time of year in many places, you might like to add them to your juices, some of them are particularly good for lymphatic cleansing. If you are interested lemme know and maybe I can help you with some identification and sourcing if you don't already know :)
Super cute puppy by the way!!!
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What greens are in your green juices Celeste?
Also where are you located in this world? There are some amazing wild greens popping up this time of year in many places, you might like to add them to your juices, some of them are particularly good for lymphatic cleansing. If you are interested lemme know and maybe I can help you with some identification and sourcing if you don't already know :)
Super cute puppy by the way!!!
Hi Jessica,
I live in Los Angeles. I currently use base of celery, parsley, cilantro, lemon with the peel, and sometimes a little tumeric lately to help my wrist heal. I am interested in knowing about the local greens. I love native plant gardening... although concerned about eating foods from polluted areas, which L.A. is.
He is such a sweet puppy. He currently eats raw paleo. I do watch him, and notice he will eat grass regularly.
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Wow, it's been awhile since my last post. Since then I've been to London and back. My sister had a mastectomy and I went to be with her and her husband who has Parkinson's. She is amazingly strong. She was training for he London Marathon originally. While I would never make the same choices, it was important for me to support her decisions.
With my own health issues, it has been 3 months since my wrist break and almost 3 since my surgery. I had a friend do some myofascial release work on my wrist/hand/arm and for the first time felt positive, free, even lighthearted and hopeful. It is amazing how much alternative therapies are effective.
My diet at the moment is:
-green juices with butter/or heavy cream.
-bison/or beef with bone marrow, and heart/liver/kidney & raw butter - followed by a spoon of raw yogurt
-on occasion heavy cream or butter w/ berries
-glass of warm milk sometimes before bed.
Speaking of bed, it's time to go to sleep. Before I go I'm curious if others use caffeine. I'll check the threads in the forum tomorrow. I've been reading up on this bulletproof diet and their coffee. I don't think I want to give up raw, but it might be a good thing for others doing cooked paleo, like my boyfriend. I do like that they use so much fat, including raw butter. Awhile ago I was doing raw butter in puerh tea when I had gone back to cooked. I developed asthma and athlete's foot which I've never had prior. I checked AV's book and he said both were caused by cooked teas and coffee. I went back to raw including green juice and both conditions went away. I guess I'm thinking about caffeine as I get so sleepy at work. I think it is the milk/yoghurt. Okay going to bed.
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It's been awhile since I posted and I've changed a little the way I'm eating. I started to drink a puerh tea in the morning and fast on that until noon. From what I've read the tea is not heated in the processing, but had been composted, so is called "cooked". The fermenting diminishing the amount of caffeine. Also it is probiotic and is supposed to have a lot of nutrients. It was often used in Tibet and Mongolia where there were not many vegetables. So to that I add raw GF butter a couple of himalayan salt crystals and a small amount of concentrace mineral drop, as I used RO water.
For lunch I eat raw GF sirloin steak sliced with the fat, fermented vegetables, sometimes add an egg yolk, or bone marrow, heart, kidney. To this I add some himalayan salt, and butter and/or extra back fat. I have something similar for dinner; or a small amount of raw yogurt, handful of berries (although I am trying to move away from any dairy other than raw butter).
From drinking the tea I am noticing I feel smarter, more upbeat ... funny. I didn't want to do caffeine, but acutally with puerh I can still sleep at night and am not jittery, anxious. It is a very mellow tea, especially with the butter.
My wrist is pretty much healed, although there is still some stiffness that I attribute to the metal. I pretty much want to remove it. I did read that titanium as an orthopedic device can contribute to suppressing immune function and that it is normal for minute amounts to fragment off and circulate in the blood stream, and that this could be considered a carcinogen. I hope that the surgeon does not resist my efforts to remove it. He himself had a hip replacement, so he might not want to consider what I am saying.
In doing research about the effect of titanium in the body, I research Charleton Heston as I was aware he had had a hip replacement. I found that he had the replacement in 1998 and at some point after this developed prostate cancer and was treated for this. He then developed Alzheimers, and by 2008 he had passed. The article said after the hip replacement his health began to decline.
Another woman I know had a knee replacement in 2008, in 2012 she was diagnosed with an aggresive uterine cancer and had a hysterectomy, chemo and the next year something called Myasthenia Gravis and surgery for this. Granted I don't know how Heston ate, but wonder if the metal in both cases could have contributed to cancer.
Either way, I've also read that in the cases where people had their titanium plates removed in 75% of the cases their symptoms of stiffness, soreness and limited movement went away. I still want to wait a little while maybe September to make an appointment with the surgeon.
I'm feeling pretty good. I like what I'm currently eating. Good energy levels, clarity of thinking. Oh, and also my gums stopped bleeding. I'm thinking my mineral balances have to be pretty good. I have stopped drinking juices since starting the tea.
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In doing research about the effect of titanium in the body, I research Charleton Heston as I was aware he had had a hip replacement. I found that he had the replacement in 1998 and at some point after this developed prostate cancer and was treated for this. He then developed Alzheimers, and by 2008 he had passed. The article said after the hip replacement his health began to decline.
I have a different perspective on declining health. With all due respect to Mr. Heston, his health would have been already declining by the time he needed a hip replacement. IMO, old-age diseases are a lifetime in the making, so it doesn't make much sense to blame a titanium medical implant for the diseases that were diagnosed when he was in his 70s. That's not to say that you should or shouldn't have the titanium removed, but the injury and surgical repair may account for much of the stiffness you experience. In addition to eating well, keeping the wrist "lubricated" with movement can help maximize healing.
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Yes, that is true what you are saying Evehart, that it could have been so many other factors including old age. I just am concerned that if I wait too long the bone could grow around it making it very difficult to remove.
Also I just remember how much Aajonus stressed the presence of metals when doing an iridolgy reading. I am grateful to have had the use of the plate, but am just concerned about the long-term impact. While I don't care for having surgery and the drugs required to do that, that is an acute stressor and I believe my body can overcome that. But the plate is a chronic stressor of my internal environment.
I agree with what you say about exercise. We do a two hour hike every weekend and since coming back to it I've been using hiking poles to make it also an upper body exercise. I also have been doing some heavy duty gardening, weeding, digging, using a mattock (like a pick axe) also lifting stone pavers and setting them.
Thank you for your input.
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Wow, it has been over a year since my last post. A lot has happened. I have also been spending some time on Jack Kruse's site to learn about the effects of EMI on health. However, have still been raw most of the time. Although, it looks a little different. I'm not juicing these days. Using raw bison organs/meat and marrow with fermented veggies for one meal and seafood usually as a ceviche with cucumber, onion, avocado and a little ginger. I am using for fats coconut oil, the marrow and meat fat, avocado and a little raw cultured butter, sometimes a little olive oil. I also use celtic salt now. Not just as experiment. I will eat a little cooked, maybe once a week with my husband. That is one of the other new things... I got married in August to my bfriend of 12 years.
The other big thing that occurred is that I had the titanium plate taken out in July. I'm so grateful that the process went well. I had better mobility right after. I have had some interesting detox since. I'm using chlorella to detox after the surgery.
I came back here to look up in one of the journals the formula for adding minerals to water. Still trying get to get that right.
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Okay, found a recipe on a thread I had actually asked the same question on before. LeBaron 7 posted it. I thought I remembered Da boss writing on it in his journal which looks like it was edited.
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Will try this for now. Another thing I had been using was a pinch of terramin clay in my water. AV used to use this a lot and I also remember in Price's
book the use of clay in water.
Also try to make a cooked bone broth, as well as a raw bone broth.
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Congrats on getting married. Is this your first time?
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I came back here to look up in one of the journals the formula for adding minerals to water. Still trying get to get that right.
Did you find this?
i have used various minerals from Azomite (too much fluoride apparently) to magnesium citrate powder, borax, Trace Minerals liquid formula.
would be interested in your recipe.
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Congrats on getting married. Is this your first time?
Thanks. 2nd time. But we've been together 12 plus years.
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Did you find this?
i have used various minerals from Azomite (too much fluoride apparently) to magnesium citrate powder, borax, Trace Minerals liquid formula.
would be interested in your recipe.
Found that someone else posted it on a thread I started on the question. He said a pinch of salt and 4 drops of blue ocean minerals and a drop of Lugols solution per gallon of water. I still need to buy the Lugols. The blue ocean drops are labeled as raw and glass bottled.
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Found that someone else posted it on a thread I started on the question. He said a pinch of salt and 4 drops of blue ocean minerals and a drop of Lugols solution per gallon of water. I still need to buy the Lugols. The blue ocean drops are labeled as raw and glass bottled.
thanks Celeste
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I had not been here in awhile. What I had posted above with the experimenting with the blue mineral drops, my conclusion is that it did not work well for me. I tried this three times with the same result. After awhile stomach pain almost like an ulcer. And then vomiting for awhile. It was weird. Like my body became overly alkalized. I could not drink green juices if doing the supplement. Both alkalizing. That was awhile ago now.
These days feeling a lot healthier than before. Still eating raw meat twice a day. I had gone back to eating AV primal for awhile. Thinking though that I might want to let go of the milk for awhile. I've had a clicking tightness in my right jaw for little awhile that I think might be linked to it. We'll see about the butter.
I feed our dog the BARF diet by the vet Dr. Billinghurst. I pulverrize vegetable and a tiny amount of fruit to add to his raw ground in the evenings. I think it replicates the amount of vegetation that might be in the gut of an eaten animal. I tried this for myself a while ago and it did not digest well... maybe too much vegetable/fruit added.
I want to go 100% dairy free if I can, but not sure how to get the calories met. Maybe will try coconut oil, eat yolks. I am currently eating raw bison (including some heart, liver and kidney & marrow. I may try to vary the green juice I've been doing. I had been adding raw sour cream, today switched to raw eggs added. I drank it about 9:00 and it is now 6:23 and I'm finally getting hungry. Drinking juice alone, I think had too much free carb (plant sugar), but I think we need some green plant foods. I watch my dog and he eats grass here and there. Not much, but he does do this. Will checking what others are doing in their journals. Oh, also have given up using salt on a regular basis. Something about it was dampening to libido.
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Interesting reading my last post. That clicking in my jaw continued. I'm wondering if the problem with my jaw came from extreme carbohydrate sensitivity, or plant sensitivity. It began last year Spring. I was using cocnut cream, fermented veggies raw meat and grassfed cultured butter. I started to get bleeding in my gums. Later in the year, December?, I was drinking raw milk and eating raw meat and butter. Through until this year, where I was drinking green juices, alternated with raw meat and butter.
When I went away to vacation, camping with my husband and his family in Maine, I decided to not bring my juicer. I decided to try being ZC for the trip, which consisted of amish beef, I had shipped to RI, plus the GF raw butter. I also decided to use puerh tea after meals with GF butter, and spring water between meals. When I came home I decided to switch from the raw butter to using GF tallow, to get off butter, which I think may cause inflammation in me.
Since then, I have been trying to do just meat and water. I've given up the tea, coffee which was just occassional BP coffee with butter. I tried GF organic beef from belcampo. Their's comes from the Shasta area. I could only afford the ground and marrow bones when they have them. I could not get enough fat in my diet by GF meat alone, without adding GF butter or tallow. So in the last two weeks I've been trying Costco ribeye raw mostly, with a little Celtic salt and water. Since going in this direction of being ZC, I have no pain in my jaw and it actually clicks a lot less. I've been learning a lot from zerocarbzen.com. and some of the facebook groups linked with the old ZC forum. But I do still prefer my meat raw so need the insight of you all here.
Oh, one thing I forgot. My jaw got its worst when I started to include unheated honey in my diet. This idea to try this, was a bit left over from when I did AV's diet. I thought prior I didn't do well on honey, but thought I'd give it a shot again. Afterall, bears eat honey in the wild right? At first I thought my body liked it, and people said I looked really good. But my dental problems started to intensify. Carbohydrates are the one thread I can identify, whether plant or animal, from when I started to have dental issues. Just trying ZC for now. Two things have influenced this decision. 1) years ago reading Lex's posts in the raw paleo forum of when he went to his dentist to find since being ZC raw his jaw bone was recalcifying, 2) reading the results of the Bellevue 1 year experiment with Steffanson. In the beginning he had gingivitis, at the end he no longer had signs of gingivitis.