Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: Poncho on January 10, 2013, 05:15:39 am
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Ive got my first raw steaks here, they were thawed in the fridge. They are grass-fed and local to BC, thats where I am. No hormones or anything. How do I eat them? Wash them? Etc
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No, just eat them with the mouth! ;D
(I wouldn't eat them since they've been frozen, but others here would.)
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haha we tried to get non-frozen, but it was grain fed. we dont know the farmers etc here. we have to settle for frozen for now, isnt that better than cooked?
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Yes, frozen is not as bad as cooked. ;)
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;)
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GF beef can be pretty lean, especially if you get the lean cuts. See if you can find raw beef fat/suet from GF animals. It's a cheap and easy way to add raw animal fat to your diet.
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Perfect, Ill do that. Thanks :)
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I wash all the meat if I did not butcher it myself. One time I got salmonella (or something similar) from one of the Slanker's cuts. I started washing them ever since. No repeats so far.
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It took me a few months of searching to find a butcher shop that had great, unfrozen grassfed beef at reasonable prices. Sometimes, ranch cooperatives without good retail connections send their cattle to slaughter, where the animals get butchered and frozen immediately - the processor becomes the wholesale distributor of cut meat. If you can find it, a full-service butcher shop buys the whole carcass and cuts it to your order.
A suggestion: steaks are often the more expensive cuts. Since you are not going to be cooking the meat, it won't get toughened by cooking, so you can buy less expensive cuts. Experiment with what's available. My favorite cuts come from the rump.
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It took me a few months of searching to find a butcher shop that had great, unfrozen grassfed beef at reasonable prices.
Finding a great source for particular raw foods, especially animal products, is an awesome thing. I know a couple of women who sell fresh seafood off the back of their truck. It's unfrozen, extremely fresh, and is about 60% of grocery store prices. I had been eating raw seafood VERY regularly for 5 years before I found them, though.
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it took me about a year to find the current butcher I have which is the first one im fully satisfied with. ANd I got lucky, only found out through word of mouth.
do the best you can, frozen is definitly better than cooked but still not great. WHen aajonus fed one group of dogs raw meat and the other group previously frozen raw meat (the same meat) the frozen group of dogs started get various problems such as mange and skin rashes over time. All problems went away as soon as he put them back on unfrozen.
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as far as how to eat it goes, just bite into it. No washing necessary.
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WHen aajonus fed one group of dogs raw meat and the other group previously frozen raw meat (the same meat) the frozen group of dogs started get various problems such as mange and skin rashes over time. All problems went away as soon as he put them back on unfrozen.
Wow. I've had so many dogs and fed them with whatever leftovers we had (food frozen and cooked, double damage!), and they lived just fine to old age without any such problems. How come?
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WHen aajonus fed one group of dogs raw meat and the other group previously frozen raw meat (the same meat) the frozen group of dogs started get various problems such as mange and skin rashes over time. All problems went away as soon as he put them back on unfrozen.
I can only believe it if someone else can confirm by doing the exact same study. Otherwise it sounds totally bogus. As far as I know dogs do just fine on frozen meat.
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Wow. I've had so many dogs and fed them with whatever leftovers we had (food frozen and cooked, double damage!), and they lived just fine to old age without any such problems. How come?
Your experience is meaningless because you fed them whatever leftovers you had.
Aajonus had a scientific experiment with one group being fed nothing but frozen and the other group nothing but fresh with all other factors being equal.
please dont waste our time with useless anecdotes such as the one I quoted.
and ys, did aajonus make this up? I dont see why he would want to lie about something that would make the diet so much harder to do. I know my life would be a lot easier if frozen meat was just as good.
his experiment is good enough for me personally. It has much more credibility for me than any university study at least.
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Does he have anything to show that he actually did these experiments? Or do we just have to take his word, like with his 30 heart attacks and multiple cancers that was cured by wild coyotes offering him raw meat.
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DaBosse, I for one wish you'd tone down your remarks, as like the one where you suggested to another not to "waste our time.... " I think the comment made was valuable, for if you look at the experiments done by Pottenger with cooked food and cats, the same can be said,, that most house cats eat Nothing But cooked canned or bag food and have litter after litter.
On the other hand, I've been feeding my dogs raw for about 15 years, and my first bit of education was from a book by a very old Italian woman who had raised dogs for decades feeding only raw, and she was convinced feeding frozen meat was detrimental, and optimally she would bury meat to then later feed.
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I'm glad you mentioned this study. For a long time I had been feeding my ferrets a raw "pet food" mix of high quality chicken (but still grain fed ._<) that included organs. But it was frozen every time. One of my girlies was starting to get fatty and wanted to just sleep all the time.
I switched them to a better eating and food schedule. Two small meals, one in the morning and one at night, with the occasional gorge and the occasional skipped meal for a bit of fasting. After fasting its interesting to note they have much more energy the day after and will chase and play like crazy. Started giving them more grassfed beef, lamb, bison, blended up full chicken breast etc type stuff with regular raw eggs.
This has made the world of a difference. I'm not sure if any of this can be attributed to the freezing effect of the meat, considering I had made many other changes in addition to this. Regardless, freezing and thawing clearly seems like an unnecessary further step that likely puts it through the ringer. I try not to do it myself, but sometimes do.
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i have trouble enough getting food for myself that is not frozen (most of my food is bought frozen from farms), so how do you find fresh for your dogs?? i get dog food also from farms, in bulk, and frozen. my dog does not have skin issues, but i'm sure she'd be in heaven with fresh food.
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troll, please watch your tone. you can worship aajonous all you like. others may choose not to, and can still post here :)
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I'm able to buy whole lambs, quartered, organs and all, from a farmer in the next town. I have a separate fridge to hang the quarters. I had at one time three great pyrenese, as livestock guardians, now just one, and two smaller house dogs.
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Reading about dog food http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_food, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_food,) I came across the raw food dog diet
The Food and Drug Administration of the United States states that they do not advocate a raw diet but recommends owners who insist on feeding raw to follow basic hygienic guidelines for handling raw meat to minimize risk to animal and human health.
Many commercial raw pet food manufacturers now utilize a process called High Pressure Pasteurization (HPP) that is a unique process that kills pathogenic bacteria through high-pressure, water-based technology. High Pressure Pasteurization is a USDA-approved, and is allowed for use on organic and natural products.
Raw foods produced for dogs and sold in pet stores are commercially safer than raw meats purchased in grocery stores. The acceptable level of bacteria in meats sold at grocery stores is relatively high because it is meant to be cooked. The acceptable level of bacteria in produced raw foods for dogs is relatively low because it is meant to be fed raw.
So funny how they are against feeding raw food to dogs just because of fear for too much bacteria :) I can't imagine the public ever accepting raw paleo diet when they don't accept it even for dogs..
We're so offtopic btw.
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Sorry if it came off as mean, harsh, etc. but I meant it as a joke (though there's always some truth to jokes). I eat mainly frozen food and I don't notice any negative effects.
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The Food and Drug Administration of the United States states that they do not advocate a raw diet
We can safely ignore everything that comes out of FDA.
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Im sorry but I do not wish to tone it down for useless and detrimental comments.
Im sure that all of you have heard people say that they and all these other people they know eat cooked food all the time and they are doing great, as though it means anything. Well we should all know by now that anecdotes such as this are completely useless and are nothing but a waste of time.
"I've had so many dogs and fed them with whatever leftovers we had (food frozen and cooked, double damage!), and they lived just fine to old age without any such problems."
this comment is clearly the exact same thing and is not helping anybody. He is talking about how cooked foods are fine. He should go on the cooked paleo forum to talk that nonsense not here.
and please alp, since your dogs did so well on cooked food you should probably start eating some too. ;)
I also understand that some people want to think anything aajonus says is a lie. For those people I can offer no help.
WHy he would lie about frozen meat being bad for you I do not know. If someone has a theory as to why he lied about this please let me know.
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WHy he would lie about frozen meat being bad for you I do not know. If someone has a theory as to why he lied about this please let me know.
You have no idea how many self-proclaimed gurus talk nonsense. Blindly take someone's words just because they said so is really silly.
I have not seen any evidence that freezing changes chemical composition. If chemistry is not affected then to me frozen means as good as new.
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I'm not necessarily saying he's lying. But I don't believe what he says because he provides no proof. If I was to say, write a book on how effective my treatment is, I'd provide medical records as proof that I have such an illness. The fact that he makes such claims about having the illnesses he had, without providing any proof. Gives me enough reason to not believe that he ever had such illnesses.
The studies he's supposedly done without any documentation, pictures, etc. makes me question whether he ever performed such studies. The fact he toutes a fake phd makes me question his credibility as well.
But honestly, maybe he is lying intentionally. There's money to be made on sick people who have tried everything to cure their ailments. The medical and pharma industry do it, so why should we believe he wouldn't do something like that too?
Just read this article - http://www.drbass.com/aajonus.html (http://www.drbass.com/aajonus.html)
He claims to have suffered from virtually every illness there is.
"My dyslexia and autism, which no one understood at the time, embarrassed and frustrated my parents."
" I developed peritonitis which was a severe intestinal infection"
My bones were brittle, and I regularly broke bones in my limbs. I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic at 13. I developed angina pectoris muscle spasms in and around the heart by age 15½. I was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes at that age.
"At 19 I developed an ulcer that turned tumorous after medical therapies. After surgery the incision turned tumorous from outer skin to stomach. It was large. Doctors ordered it irradiated. and that caused me to develop Multiple Myeloma (blood and bone cancers)."
"A volunteer for a hospice gave me a small booklet written by a woman who cured herself of cancer by drinking raw carrot juice. I thought that was pretty bizarre and unrealistic. But read the book anyway. I tried the carrot juice.
Within 10 days my dyslexia vanished. There I was at 22 years old never having read more than 20 pages of a book, finally able to read." - So how did he read that book in the first place, was it less than 20 pages?
"The macrobiotic diet seemed to put my cancers in remission but exacerbated my diabetes and psoriasis."
"After 2½ years my cancers resurged. Rather than fight it. I chose to die. I selected an old Native American burial ground and began fasting myself to death. After several weeks fasting I had an unusual experience with coyotes. They gave me a freshly killed wild jackrabbit. I thought it would kill me if I ate it raw. (I had been told by all of my medically and scientifically minded relatives that wild rabbits contained bacteria or virus that would kill a human.)"
I'm not saying it's impossible to be true. And I'm not saying he's necessarily pushing this diet to take advantage of sick people (though he does charge a lot for those hour sessions). I'm just saying without proof of at least him having those illnesses, you're believing a whole lot based on someone's word alone.
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I believe Aajonus re freezing mentions as I have seen other scientific data which showed that enzymes were slightly harmed by freezing etc.
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I eat mainly frozen food and I don't notice any negative effects.
Same here; in fact I buy fresh, unfrozen meat and anyway freeze it myself out of convenience.
this comment is clearly the exact same thing and is not helping anybody. He is talking about how cooked foods are fine. He should go on the cooked paleo forum to talk that nonsense not here.
and please alp, since your dogs did so well on cooked food you should probably start eating some too. ;)
Don't get me wrong, I didn't say they wouldn't be better off with raw meat, just that I have never observed such conditions in mine (or friends' dogs), and I told what we were feeding them. The fact that the food we would give to them would typically be both cooked and frozen makes the claim that just frozen but still raw meat causing issues seem way exaggerated.
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I believe Aajonus re freezing mentions as I have seen other scientific data which showed that enzymes were slightly harmed by freezing etc.
The key is slightly, that it's not even worth debating it..
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I am not blindly following aajonus claim of his experiment. I simply believe it because it confirms all the other research I have done.
WE all know that freezing kills off parasites for one thing. Do you think its the only thing altered? Please just do a tiny bit of research to find the countless numbers of changes a food goes through after freezing.
heres the first hit on google. there are many more to be found.
http://www.pfionline.com/index.php/columns/cold-chain/86-physical-and-biochemical-changes-during-freezing-and-frozen-storage (http://www.pfionline.com/index.php/columns/cold-chain/86-physical-and-biochemical-changes-during-freezing-and-frozen-storage)
please stop bringing your silly completely unscientific anecdotes into this. You feeding your dogs whatever you can find including raw cooked and frozen simply cannot prove anything since there are so many variables.
it is more than slightly and a ;lot more is damaged than the enzymes. pretty much every aspect of the meat changes. You can see all this in even the mainstream article I posted.
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please stop bringing your silly completely unscientific anecdotes into this. You feeding your dogs whatever you can find including raw cooked and frozen simply cannot prove anything since there are so many variables.
Ok, can you bring the scientific support then for your and Aajonus' claim? That freezing has any measurable impact on the health of dogs and humans (not that it changes food, this is pretty evident).
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The key is slightly, that it's not even worth debating it..
Well, Aajonus claims that freezing destroys 25% of an enzyme's worth. That seems to imply that the denaturing of enzymes I mentioned re that lost web-link was correct.
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Ok, can you bring the scientific support then for your and Aajonus' claim? That freezing has any measurable impact on the health of dogs and humans (not that it changes food, this is pretty evident).
please stop trolling me. I posted mainstream science in regards to this in my last post.
and if you need it spelled out for you how these changes affect a persons health please refer to the newbies section for all of the studies saying why these chemical changes in our food are detrimental.
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please stop trolling me. I posted mainstream science in regards to this in my last post.
For someone to use "troll" in their username, the above is somewhat hypocritical....
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its just a username. I dont troll anyone.
im referring to the mythical creature in my avatar, not the modern act of internet trolling.
it may be ironic due to the name but i definitly wouldnt call it hypocritical since I dont troll people.
I am a pretty big hypocrite though, just not in this case.
the kind of troll I am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll)
the kind of troll alp is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet))
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Troll, that link seems to show that there are changes that take place, ie it hardens and expands. But as far as damaging the meat to be of such low quality that it woulda lead to health problems isn't really mentioned. It says protein is minimally effected. And the conclusion leads me to believe they're supporting freezing foods properly, not never freezing.
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I for one think for myself when I read. so instead of taking the conclusion given to me at the end of the article I read all of the data in it and make up my own mind. In this case I look at what damage is done to the meat and see that it is actually quite substantial. We both see the same data but while i see it as damaging the writers see it as not so bad.
this is akin to an article talking about the changes food undergoes through cooking in detail, having all accurate information about what happens including AGEs enzymes and bacteria yet the article concludes that the damage really isnt that bad and one should cook properly rather than not cooking at all.
would you read such an article and say " all the data here is right about damage through heat so since the data is correct I will just take their conclusion about the data as correct as well"?
I would suggest not to take such a line of thinking.
and please read the whole page. The hardening and expanding is only at the top of the page. The real damage is described lower down.
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the kind of troll alp is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet))
I'm internet troll because it turns out I don't agree with you?
You tell me to stop with my unscientific anecdotes, but then you get out with something like "if you need to have it spelled out check out this irrelevant article" when asked to provide scientific reference to support your claim: "dogs fed frozen meat develop this and that condition".
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You clearly are being a troll because you are asking for information I already posted.
your trolling is also eveident in your calling the article irrelevant. The article pertains to freezing foods which makes it completely relevant and thats a fact.
You can dispute the articles validity all you want, but it is most certainly completely relevant.
If you still want to call it irrelevant please quote just one sentence that doesnt pertain to the changes food undergoes during freezing.
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I'm not necessarily saying he's lying. But I don't believe what he says because he provides no proof. If I was to say, write a book on how effective my treatment is, I'd provide medical records as proof that I have such an illness. The fact that he makes such claims about having the illnesses he had, without providing any proof. Gives me enough reason to not believe that he ever had such illnesses.
The studies he's supposedly done without any documentation, pictures, etc. makes me question whether he ever performed such studies. The fact he toutes a fake phd makes me question his credibility as well.
But honestly, maybe he is lying intentionally. There's money to be made on sick people who have tried everything to cure their ailments. The medical and pharma industry do it, so why should we believe he wouldn't do something like that too?
Just read this article - http://www.drbass.com/aajonus.html (http://www.drbass.com/aajonus.html)
He claims to have suffered from virtually every illness there is.
"My dyslexia and autism, which no one understood at the time, embarrassed and frustrated my parents."
" I developed peritonitis which was a severe intestinal infection"
My bones were brittle, and I regularly broke bones in my limbs. I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic at 13. I developed angina pectoris muscle spasms in and around the heart by age 15½. I was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes at that age.
"At 19 I developed an ulcer that turned tumorous after medical therapies. After surgery the incision turned tumorous from outer skin to stomach. It was large. Doctors ordered it irradiated. and that caused me to develop Multiple Myeloma (blood and bone cancers)."
"A volunteer for a hospice gave me a small booklet written by a woman who cured herself of cancer by drinking raw carrot juice. I thought that was pretty bizarre and unrealistic. But read the book anyway. I tried the carrot juice.
Within 10 days my dyslexia vanished. There I was at 22 years old never having read more than 20 pages of a book, finally able to read." - So how did he read that book in the first place, was it less than 20 pages?
"The macrobiotic diet seemed to put my cancers in remission but exacerbated my diabetes and psoriasis."
"After 2½ years my cancers resurged. Rather than fight it. I chose to die. I selected an old Native American burial ground and began fasting myself to death. After several weeks fasting I had an unusual experience with coyotes. They gave me a freshly killed wild jackrabbit. I thought it would kill me if I ate it raw. (I had been told by all of my medically and scientifically minded relatives that wild rabbits contained bacteria or virus that would kill a human.)"
I'm not saying it's impossible to be true. And I'm not saying he's necessarily pushing this diet to take advantage of sick people (though he does charge a lot for those hour sessions). I'm just saying without proof of at least him having those illnesses, you're believing a whole lot based on someone's word alone.
and i dont understand your point in posting this article. I enjoyed reading it very much.
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its just a username. I dont troll anyone.
im referring to the mythical creature in my avatar, not the modern act of internet trolling.
it may be ironic due to the name but i definitly wouldnt call it hypocritical since I dont troll people.
I am a pretty big hypocrite though, just not in this case.
the kind of troll I am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll)
the kind of troll alp is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet))
Wikipedia is corrupt. Corrupted by trolls.
Trolls deny. Whether it is passage over a bridge, or from a state of innocence to a state of wisdom is irrelevant.
Examples: MDs deny that food has any effect on health, others deny that GMO food is poison or that there is a difference between cooked fat and tallow. There are many ways of doing this.
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and i dont understand your point in posting this article. I enjoyed reading it very much.
to show my lack of confidence in the study aajonous supposedly did.
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Examples: MDs deny that food has any effect on health, others deny that GMO food is poison or that there is a difference between cooked fat and tallow. There are many ways of doing this.
Isn't tallow cooked fat?
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to show my lack of confidence in the study aajonous supposedly did.
still not sure how the article shows your lack of confidence but ok.
and yes tallow is cooked fat. i dont know what hes talking about.
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Isn't tallow cooked fat?
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/what-qualifies-as-raw/msg106381/#msg106381 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/what-qualifies-as-raw/msg106381/#msg106381)
« Reply #7 on: 26 February 2013, 14:40:58 »
Define tallow: rendered beef fat.
Define render: separated fat (or fatty acids) from indigestible connective tissue.
Define beef fat: combined fatty acids and INDIGESTIBLE PROTEINS.
I seems useful to define these terms, as previous "discussion" without definition has led to confusion and ill feeling.
Might better define tallow as practically pure Essential Fatty Acids, every cell wall in a healthy body includes these, while cooked fat includes both EFAs and cooked proteins.
BTW tallow is also made by centrifuge.
http://www.ajbush.com.au/manufacturers (http://www.ajbush.com.au/manufacturers)
http://www.indiamart.com/kovai-designs/meat-meal-equipments.html#tallow-fat-separator-basket-centrifuge (http://www.indiamart.com/kovai-designs/meat-meal-equipments.html#tallow-fat-separator-basket-centrifuge)
http://www.hutch-hayes.com/app-meatrendering.html (http://www.hutch-hayes.com/app-meatrendering.html)
http://mrwhatis.com/beef-fat-uses.html (http://mrwhatis.com/beef-fat-uses.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendering_(food_processing)#Rendering_processes_for_edible_products (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendering_(food_processing)#Rendering_processes_for_edible_products)
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and yes tallow is cooked fat. i dont know what hes talking about.
Tallow is rendered fat.
http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/11/10/food-for-thought-lard-and-tallow-healthy-fats/ (http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/11/10/food-for-thought-lard-and-tallow-healthy-fats/)
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Tallow is rendered fat.
http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/11/10/food-for-thought-lard-and-tallow-healthy-fats/ (http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/11/10/food-for-thought-lard-and-tallow-healthy-fats/)
William, fair warning...I'm going to start deleting and modifying your posts if you keep trolling for tallow.
It's your choice.
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William, fair warning...I'm going to start deleting and modifying your posts if you keep trolling for tallow.
It's your choice.
cherimoya_kid, you and others, notably tyler durden are so obviously trolls that I must consider that saving you from your folly is impossible.
But if I'm wrong and you ever wake from your nightmare, I suggest you try the raw paleolithic diet.
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I suppose centrifuged tallow would be raw. But to just say tallow is raw when it's usually rendered by process of heating is misleading.
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centrifuged is not raw in my opinion. I will make a seperate thread for this.
i also dont understand why you would centrifuge it instead of just eating it the way it came.
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anyway, back to the freezing.
probly the biggest indication of its harm is that the parasites are killed by it which everyone knows.
the article I posted also states how freezing seperates the water in foods from everything else such as the water being seperated from the protien which inhibits its ability to be absorbed.
we should all know by now that one of the main benefits of raw food is that it is mostly water and all of the nutrients in the foods we are bound with water wich is one of the things which greatly aids in digestion.
to take away this aspect of raw foods (all nutrients being bound to water) is to greatly reduce the benefits of raw foods.
had the article been written from a raw food perspective they would have mentioned this but since it is from a processed cooked food perspective, this becomes irrelevant since cooking takes away moisture from the food anyway.
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cherimoya_kid, you and others, notably tyler durden are so obviously trolls that I must consider that saving you from your folly is impossible.
We already have a William thread in the Moderator forum. We've all ALREADY agreed that banning you is acceptable. The next step is simply to ban you. I've got nothing against you, personally. However, we can't have one set of rules for you, and another for everyone else. Other people who troll for cooking here get warned and banned.
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http://www.pfionline.com/index.php/columns/cold-chain/86-physical-and-biochemical-changes-during-freezing-and-frozen-storage
This particular article is totally bogus.
Under Biological and Chemical Changes section it does not say anything about chemical changes. NOTHING AT ALL. It only talks about biological changes of micro flora which does not apply to meat. Meat is sterile. It only gets contaminated with micro flora if it gets in contacts with other surfaces such as butchering table or unclean knife.
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We already have a William thread in the Moderator forum. We've all ALREADY agreed that banning you is acceptable. The next step is simply to ban you. I've got nothing against you, personally. However, we can't have one set of rules for you, and another for everyone else. Other people who troll for cooking here get warned and banned.
Exactly. Next time, banning is permanent.
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This particular article is totally bogus.
Under Biological and Chemical Changes section it does not say anything about chemical changes. NOTHING AT ALL. It only talks about biological changes of micro flora which does not apply to meat. Meat is sterile. It only gets contaminated with micro flora if it gets in contacts with other surfaces such as butchering table or unclean knife.
first of all, exactly which part of the article is bogus?
and my understNding is that nothing is sterile except what has been sterilized.
either way, my focus in this article was not that part but rather what I talk about in my last post, i.e. the seperation of water during freezing as well as death of parasites.
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We already have a William thread in the Moderator forum. We've all ALREADY agreed that banning you is acceptable. The next step is simply to ban you. I've got nothing against you, personally. However, we can't have one set of rules for you, and another for everyone else. Other people who troll for cooking here get warned and banned.
Plonk.
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William, just let go of the rendering part. I appreciate you here for you are a living experiment for us all when it comes to low or zero carb, don't let yourself get banned, just let go of the rendering part. You have good stuff to offer. Van
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William, just let go of the rendering part. I appreciate you here for you are a living experiment for us all when it comes to low or zero carb, don't let yourself get banned, just let go of the rendering part. You have good stuff to offer.
You said it. This is exactly what I think.
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From William's point of view, rendering worked for him.
But William, please do not claim rendering is raw.
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From William's point of view, rendering worked for him.
Yes, and he MAY be the one in 1000 people that that's worked for. However, the VAST majority of people will do better with unheated fat, and that's just a fact. I wish he'd recognize that. William, I wish you'd recognize that.
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I dont understand what possible benefit you can get from turning suet into tallow.
why did he claim we should render our fats?
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I dont understand what possible benefit you can get from turning suet into tallow.
why did he claim we should render our fats?
he claims he can't digest the connective tissue in suet, but can digest the tallow.
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As to making pemmican a healing tool, then that is good news since many people are raw phobic until they die.
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first of all, exactly which part of the article is bogus?
Most of it. Baseless claims with no references - cannot be peer reviewed. Any serious article must reference pubmeds or similar. Otherwise it is as good as he said/she said.
and my understNding is that nothing is sterile except what has been sterilized.
I meant flesh is free of foreign objects such as bacteria, fungus, other non native organic and inorganic matter. When flesh gets into contact with surface (any) it gets contaminated with bacteria, fungus spores, etc.
Viruses on the other hand are native objects of the flesh.
I also never heard of beneficial parasites. My understanding is parasites are non symbiotic with humans. Again, I have not seen any serious paper suggesting otherwise.
And since when a tapeworm is a desired companion? Tyler and GS surely did not appreciate it.
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I dont understand what possible benefit you can get from turning suet into tallow.
why did he claim we should render our fats?
Tallow can last much longer with no need to refrigerate.
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Tallow can last much longer with no need to refrigerate.
I have had several pieces of dried raw suet which never decayed at all, even after many weeks. All that happened was that they got a bluish-greenish tinge on the surface(mold/fungus?), that was it.
Re beneficial parasites:- You really need to study the hygiene hypothesis which has many studies linked to it which show that parasites definitely do have many benefits as regards human health. And from what I've read, we are all saturated with beneficial parasites, called "flukes " etc., it's just that scientists prefer to call them "symbionts" instead.
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Most of it. Baseless claims with no references - cannot be peer reviewed. Any serious article must reference pubmeds or similar. Otherwise it is as good as he said/she said.
I meant flesh is free of foreign objects such as bacteria, fungus, other non native organic and inorganic matter. When flesh gets into contact with surface (any) it gets contaminated with bacteria, fungus spores, etc.
Viruses on the other hand are native objects of the flesh.
I also never heard of beneficial parasites. My understanding is parasites are non symbiotic with humans. Again, I have not seen any serious paper suggesting otherwise.
And since when a tapeworm is a desired companion? Tyler and GS surely did not appreciate it.
like I said, please pick any part of the article which you think is bogus and explain why. Saying most of it does not count.
also things like pubmed mean nothing to me since they are full of lies.
either way, my focus in this article was not that part but rather the seperation of water during freezing as well as death of parasites.
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And from what I've read, we are all saturated with beneficial parasites, called "flukes " etc., it's just that scientists prefer to call them "symbionts" instead.
That's possible, I'm not denying things I don't know. But I think everyone would agree that tapeworms and roundworms are not the symbiotic kind.
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also please use google to see how many people have used tapeworms medicinally.
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either way, my focus in this article was not that part but rather the seperation of water during freezing as well as death of parasites.
Again, this article does not say water separation degrades nutrients in any way. I do not see any problems with water separation.
also please use google to see how many people have used tapeworms medicinally.
Haha, and how many people are using quackery and calling it medicine?
Google is just a collection of he said/she said.
If information cannot be peer reviewed or does not have reputable references then it is as good as quackery.
For examples, there are pubmed that scientifically show cooked animal food is not as good as raw.
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ys you're just wasting your time.. troll has his own ideas and interpretations of the world and there's no way anyone could ever prove to him different.
Water separation btw: aging meat also gets most water out of the meat -> aged meat is also very unhealthy just like frozen?
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Again, this article does not say water separation degrades nutrients in any way. I do not see any problems with water separation.
Haha, and how many people are using quackery and calling it medicine?
Google is just a collection of he said/she said.
If information cannot be peer reviewed or does not have reputable references then it is as good as quackery.
For examples, there are pubmed that scientifically show cooked animal food is not as good as raw.
like i asid before, I think for myself rather than just take what an article says as my own opinion. In this case it says that water seperates from everything else during freezing. I was able to conlude that this is detrimental because of my knowledge of the fact that one of the things that make raw foods so easy to digest is that all of the nutrients are bound to water. One of the reasons cooked food is so bad is because the moisture is removed.
We must retain the structure of the water in our foods and their being bound to nutrient. Take that aspect away and it is no longer raw.
and once again you did not point out any specific part of the article you disagree with.
also, this means nothing to me because I dont care about studies but if you could post me those studies on pubmed about cooked vs raw meat I would appreciate it for uses of helping people who still believe in "science"
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ys you're just wasting your time.. troll has his own ideas and interpretations of the world and there's no way anyone could ever prove to him different.
Water separation btw: aging meat also gets most water out of the meat -> aged meat is also very unhealthy just like frozen?
i thought you agreed to stop trolling me.
aged meat only loses up 20 percent moisture from drying. You also get the added benefit of increased microbial and enzyme activity which are both decreased in freezing. THis is not the same thing at all as all of the water in a particular piece of meat seperating from the nutrients which is much more harmful.