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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet => Topic started by: Poncho on March 14, 2013, 07:38:25 am
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Okay guys Ive been off of regular garbage food for almost 3 months now. Its been the answer to every question Ive had.
Recently (I moved to another province), my stomach got weird again. Bloated and uncomfortable, I get fatigued and grumpy, my skin breaks out. Ive cheated once with one small butter tart (I was feeling pretty pissed off at my health). The water weight remains. I cant even eat fruit or vegetables these days without blowing up and breaking out.
Pure raw meat only.
My research has lead me to believe that it's the fibre doing it to me, fibre and sugar. Because I was on so many antibiotics after my accident, all of my good bacteria died. I have had stomach problems ever since because I have been absolutely nourishing the bad bacteria with fibre and sugar. Sugar from fruit etc. Why fibre, I dont eat any wheat or its alternatives? Vegetables have minimal to no sugar, but are full of fibre. It would make sense if thats why I feel bad after a salad. I have recently started the meat only thing, doing very well. My stomach feels good again. As soon as my stomach rebuilds a good amount of the right bacteria, Ill reintroduce fruit and veggies.
Anyone have any words of wisdom?
Any suggestions? Im not sure about much, society unfortunately doesnt seem to understand the world around it. Im just doing what my body tells me to, I think.
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Because I was on so many antibiotics after my accident, all of my good bacteria died.
I'd recommend a variety of fermented foods. There are a few threads on this forum for fermented plant foods, high meat, and I think fermented animal foods. I definitely recommend fermented plant foods (sauerkraut, pickles) for restoring your plant eating bacteria. You could also do high meat which would help too.
I cant even eat fruit or vegetables these days without blowing up and breaking out.
Pure raw meat only.
If you're eating just muscle meats and organs, I definitely recommend a good source of animal fats. See if the places you're getting your animal foods from have fat trimmings, raw beef fat, or suet. Most muscle meats and organs are very lean, so you'll be getting a lot of protein but not much fat.
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Ill try sauerkraut again now that my stomach has calmed down. I tried it when I was bloated a few times and it only made it worse. But thats probably because my stomach was already struggling? Im trying to get my hands on fat haha, but like Id said to another guy on here, I need to find a good farm. One that I can actually get to preferably. Im trying to do exactly what you've said, I swear! You think thats gonna fix me?
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Try making saurkreut and drinking just the juice. Drink a 1/4 teaspoon, then 1/2, then a full one. Till eventually you're able to take 2 tablespoons. Then try the actual plant.
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If you do animal foods only, which I also do 90-100 animal foods every day i think you wont last long if you dont have organs.
I love animal food only diets but my animal food diet includes honey organs and dairy as well. muscles and organs are about 30 percent of my diet and I think the honey and dairy are big factors my feeling great.
DO HIGH MEAT TO REPLANISH GUT BACTERIA, ITS EXTREMELY POWERFUL.
lots of people do meat only though. although I wouldnt want and dont think it can be successful at all without organs.
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i wouldnt reccommend suaerkraut or any fermented plants as it doesnt do much for me although I like a bit for taste once in a while and fermented is pretty much the only way ill eat veggies anymore.
high meat and kefir are what you need in my opinion.
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I eat tonnes of raw honey, garlic, eggs, raw sheeps cheese. Organs when I can find some. Im not just eating flesh haha. My boyfriend found us a place to get raw goats milk, so thatll be soon. Im also going to try kale juice, and maybe fruit juices when my stomach improves a little more
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honey and garlic are a fart city combo....
garlic definitely has inulin and other fart producing compounds.
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I eat tonnes of raw honey, garlic, eggs, raw sheeps cheese. Organs when I can find some. Im not just eating flesh haha. My boyfriend found us a place to get raw goats milk, so thatll be soon. Im also going to try kale juice, and maybe fruit juices when my stomach improves a little more
I hate milk, no worries there. I always thought it was a ridiculous thing for us to use. The people that swear by drinking regular milk just make me laugh. Ive gotta ease myself off of the ice cream as quick as I can haha.
So, you must be laughing of yourself now, aren’t you? ;)
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I eat it all the time. No problems here, maybe youre just special?
And I said regular milk, like cows milk. Cows milk is revolting. Im completely open to trying raw milk from any animal with one stomach.
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Cows milk is revolting. Im completely open to trying raw milk from any animal with one stomach.
I think you are contradicting yourself again. Goats have 4-chamber stomachs just like cow. Animals with one stomach are pigs and horses. And humans.
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I eat it all the time. No problems here, maybe youre just special?
And I said regular milk, like cows milk. Cows milk is revolting. Im completely open to trying raw milk from any animal with one stomach.
Poncho, it’s rather Neolithic and modern humans who are special in consuming:
- milk when adults
- milk from other animal species
- processed milk products such as cheese, kefir, butter, etc.
This is a Raw Paleo Forum, “Paleo” being the contraction of Paleolithic. Consumption of milks from other animals’ species started with the domestication of animals about 8000 years ago only, in the Neolithic era, and is therefore a very new thing at an evolutionary time scale. According to anthropology, the Neolithic corresponds to a drastic decline in human populations health.
Promoting the consumption of milk and dairy is only tolerated here in the “Primal diet” section because Aajonus Vonderplanitz has been silly enough to reintroduce dairy in his alteration of the instinctive raw paleo nutrition. Or probably it was not a silly decision, but just an hypocrite one to make his diet easier and more acceptable to a larger public, and thus become himself well known and rich.
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Well I guess I just acknowledge that I live in 2013. In palaeolithic times, I would be dead. They couldn't fix brain injuries back then. They couldnt induce comas medically or even comprehend internal injuries that they couldnt feel. I couldnt feel it, I was knocked unconscious. Should I have had it written out that I did not want medical attention if anything was to happen to me, because it isnt paleo?
Im pretty happy to be here.
Since Im unnaturally alive, maybe I see it fit to eat some more modern foods in order to regain weight. Maybe in palaeolithic times, my weight would keep decreasing like it has been, and I would just get picked off by something stronger. Survival of the fittest right? Im not going to live religiously paleo, I would say thats why regular people all judge it so harshly. Its the paleos that believe that even if something is a good idea, they decline it because a caveman didnt have access to it. No one can say that the caveman wouldn't have eaten it if he did have it, no one can say that his health may even have increased if he had it.
Theres a time and a place for everything.
Modern things arent all stupid. A lot of them are, yes. The typical modern diet, thats suicide.
But if I need some help gaining weight because I have been trying very hard for almost 3 years now with no success, Im going to have some raw goats milk if my stomach accepts it. Ill also try anything else that isnt made by a machine, or with chemicals etc.
Its only your loss if you dont accept that although often times not necessary, modern things can be beneficial.
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When I said that part about being special, I was responding to the comment above yours about honey and garlic undoubtably causing a lot of gas.
Because I dont have that problem
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Ok… there’s another word in the name of this “rawpaleodietforum” I didn’t bother to mention : the word “diet”. Thus it is, of course, not about adopting a complete and total Paleolithic way of life in every respect, but only about having a nutrition as close as possible as it was before our ancestors mastered the fire. This means a nutrition adapted to our genes and thus the best possible for our health. Cooked food, cereal grains and dairy having been introduced quite recently in our evolution, we are unlikely to be well adapted to them. As a matter of fact, experience and plenty of researches show that they are troublesome in the long run, being the main cause of most diseases.
It’s not natural to cook and get the milk of other animals species: you need evolved techniques to do that.
Having a raw paleo nutrition doesn’t mean that we can’t benefit of modern technology and fire for other purposes such as metal working, house heating, traveling with the help of combustion engines, using computers, telephones, TVs, surgical interventions, etc.
Cheers
François
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Theres no need to be snobby about health. I dont even think you really can be. There are no rules to health in general, only to your own health. We each individually make these rules for ourselves. We learn more if were open, and we learn better rules. There are almost always better rules to find. Even little ones. You can act like youre so above anyone that would go near something as unthinkable as milk, but you arent. People like me come here for help. Not to be talked down to and have our decisions shit on. People on here support various things, a man just told me maybe yesterday that for weight gain he drinks lots of raw goats milk.
Are you saying that these unwritten rules prevent me from doing something that may help me achieve good health?
Thats absolutely stupid.
People on here have really helped me so much, now into my third month I am doing so much better. My depression is gone. Im a new person entirely, Im motivated. I feel great most of the time now, when I have questions I come here.
I dont need to be told what to do. Im young yeah, but I think I could prrrrooobably figure out what palaeolithic means precisely.
I dont come here to be lectured, Im sure not many do.
There is research to show that raw meat will kill you. There is research to show almost anything anyone wants to show. Doesnt mean it isnt a load of shit.
No I wouldnt have thought that the "rawpaleodietforum" would tell me to stop using my telephone. Thanks though
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"There is research to show that raw meat will kill you. There is research to show almost anything anyone wants to show. Doesnt mean it isnt a load of shit. "
this si very true. read the book "how to lie with statistics" to see just how meaningless science and statistics are.
THat is why I never argue about science or statistics with people. because those two things can show whatever anyone wants it to.
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Raw milk may not be paleo but it sure makes me feel great. JUst like honey does wonders for my digestion even though it isnt paleo (except in small amounts, but dairy is also paleo in small amounts)
then again spring water is totally paleo and it makes me feel like crap every time I drink it.
vegetables are also paleo but they make me feel horrible also.
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yes ^
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Theres no need to be snobby about health. I dont even think you really can be. There are no rules to health in general, only to your own health. We each individually make these rules for ourselves. We learn more if were open, and we learn better rules. There are almost always better rules to find. Even little ones. You can act like youre so above anyone that would go near something as unthinkable as milk, but you arent. People like me come here for help. Not to be talked down to and have our decisions shit on. People on here support various things, a man just told me maybe yesterday that for weight gain he drinks lots of raw goats milk.
Are you saying that these unwritten rules prevent me from doing something that may help me achieve good health?
Thats absolutely stupid.
People on here have really helped me so much, now into my third month I am doing so much better. My depression is gone. Im a new person entirely, Im motivated. I feel great most of the time now, when I have questions I come here.
I dont need to be told what to do. Im young yeah, but I think I could prrrrooobably figure out what palaeolithic means precisely.
I dont come here to be lectured, Im sure not many do.
There is research to show that raw meat will kill you. There is research to show almost anything anyone wants to show. Doesnt mean it isnt a load of shit.
No I wouldnt have thought that the "rawpaleodietforum" would tell me to stop using my telephone. Thanks though
Hi Poncho :)
Im all for everyone experimenting and do the things that makes them feel good, so if raw milk does this for you than let no one stop you. You probably need it at this moment, I myself take sugar that isnt paleo per sé, but I do realize that I need it right now, but Im working towards the point that I wont need it anymore.
So I do understand what Francois is trying to say and that is that raw milk isnt really good for human consumption and to be fair I believe hes right, it isnt good for humans IF we were in optimal health. However, I do understand that sometimes you need foods that heal you if you are sick and basically most people (at least in the West) are sick. So do what makes you feel good, but if I were to give u some advice than Id advice you to know WHY that certain food makes you feel good. Look at what it does in the body.
Good luck to you.
-WK
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He knows my story, so unfortunately he has no excuse haha. Yes my digestive health is especially in trouble, along with other things. I do look at all of that. Im doing a very good job at mending myself, according to everyone around me. health Professionals included
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Talya, do I know your story?? Perhaps I didn’t read everything you wrote on this forum or I forgot something. Of course you are free to do whatever you want. I wonder why you got so angry and aggressed me: perhaps because I tell you frankly and a bit too harshly what I think? But I’m also trying to help you, otherwise I wouldn’t bother.
Some of my friends, namely GCB, one of his early companions and myself have several decades of experience eating 100% raw paleo. GCB has a serious scientific background in physics, mathematics and logics, he’s extremely knowledgeable in biology, biochemistry, immunology, etc. He and this friend have done thorough and meticulous experiments with hundreds of animals, they have decades of experience with hundreds of people having practiced around them, they have children who have eaten raw paleo ever since birth and are now healthy adults. They have experimented with milk and without milk. It appeared that dairy cause troubles such as inflammations and infections, even when raw, even from own goat. Everyone can reproduce these experiments: it suffice to eat 100% raw without any dairy for several months or perhaps a year to get our immune system out of tolerance, and then reintroduce milk. Very simple. ;)
After starting to eat raw paleo with his whole family and friends, GCB waited for 8 years before telling about his findings in public, and 20 years before publishing a book about it. I have myself 26 years experience in 100% raw paleo. Is it understandable that I get exasperated when some contributors here who have just a few months of more or less raw paleo personal only experience start to give authoritative advices, thinking they know everything? >D
Now if your goal is to gain weight without consideration for long term health, yes, then dairy might do, cooked food too.
I concede that raw dairy is better than cooked or pasteurized dairy, and even that it is probably better to eat raw dairy than no animal food at all.
Best wishes and congrats for doing a good job at mending yourself.
François
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aajonus's credentials are just about as good as gcb except i think hes healed even more people.
and he says that dairy is 100 percent fine.
credentials mean nothing. all that matters is ones own experience because 10 people who all seem equally qualified can give you 10 completely different perspectives that all seem equally logical.t spp
how many raw vegans seem just as qualified yet spout complete garbage.
anyway, what do you sugest I drink when im thirsty if water makes me feel like crap.
id love to drink blood but it is illegal to sell raw blood in usa.
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id love to drink blood but it is illegal to sell raw blood in usa.
Maybe it is illegal in your state? You can buy raw blood (frozen) from almost any asian store in Chicago area.
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i do not consider frozen to be raw and i want it to be from healthy animals.
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Poncho, this time of year, the goats are mostly eating hay, not green grass. If milking they are also most probably eating grains to produce milk. Thus your experiment, may be tainted by using milk this time of the year. I own and have milked and lived primarily on goats milk for about 14 years. They only ate Green food, and seven day sprouted grains, and seaweed. I can say that after a while, my body had had enough, and now it doesn't work for me. But at the time, it seemed to be a Godsend. My advice is to start with small amounts, on an empty stomach when hungry. Also kefir and raw goats yogurt work better if you can make them. If you've been off dairy for some time the essential lactose eating bacteria will still be present from birth in your large intestines, but in Very small numbers. You can grow that colony by starting slowly and increasing the amount of milk as their numbers grow. Otherwise you'll end up probably with a lactose intolerance experience. Again, kefir and yogurt take care of that as those bacteria present predigest the lactose into lactase for you. But, you also end up with a more acidic food. My favorite experiment result, after many years, was to take kefir and mix it with equal parts fresh raw milk. It would then have the texture and flavor of cream, much less acidic. Good luck.
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aajonus's credentials are just about as good as gcb except i think hes healed even more people.
Yeah? What experiments did he perform? What theoretical breakthrough did he offer? A fake diploma, an incredible tale of coyotes feeding him, 300 $ for 15 minutes consultations, a theory half copied on GCBs and altered, distorted…
GCB has never pretended to heal people: once the causes of their health troubles are removed people often self-heal.
and he says that dairy is 100 percent fine.
Let him say…
credentials mean nothing. all that matters is ones own experience because 10 people who all seem equally qualified can give you 10 completely different perspectives that all seem equally logical.t spp
We discussed this before. Science and technology became very specialized and we generally have to refer to experts in each specific areas.
how many raw vegans seem just as qualified yet spout complete garbage.
There’s a huge difference between “seem” and “are”.
anyway, what do you sugest I drink when im thirsty if water makes me feel like crap.
Ask the animals around you, they probably know better. Or have a Red Bull, it'll make you feel great.
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Im just desperately trying here and its very hard for me to gain weight. I would hope that anyone human knows that there are nearly zero females in this world that want to be obese. I know of only one. So I think its safe to assume that I dont plan on consuming milk long term, especially if I have never liked it before. I just want to stop watching the numbers on the scale drop and hearing negative worried comments from everyone around me. Im just trying everything, thats what lead me here in the first place. Its like Im not even allowed to speak here, only listen, because the paleo elders rule. Its weird. I just want to talk to some experienced people about a way of eating.
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I personally don't think much of aajonous either, iguana. I got an invite from a friend to go to one of his primal pot luck events. And when I saw only an hour of it was free, I thought what the heck. His books are also rather expensive. The book I got for schizophrenia only cost me $15 with shipping, his of $30+.
Also I've read some horror stories about people who got advice from aajonous and got serious food poisoning. The fact he still touts that fake diploma says a lot too.
Poncho, have you been eating just muscle meats and organs? When I first started I get unnaturally skinny from eating just lean meats and eggs. That's probably ethers happening to you now.
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The problem is not that I dont know what to eat, its that I cant eat much of anything without being in excruciating pain that seems to get worse with each slip up.
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You seem to be on the defensive....
Have you been able to measure out your meals and see exactly how much of each food you've been eating? What helped me was using a calorie counter and seeing how much of various foods if have to eat to reach about 2000 calories.
When I did the math with just gras fed meats, getting up 2000 calories meant id have to consume an unrealistic amount of protein. how ever when I added the beef fat/suet it stopped being a problem.
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haha Im not! I have found that if Im eating raw meat, I can eat any amount. With raw organic honey and garlic if I want. But I cant tolerate anything else. Nothing.
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oh raw animal products are fine too, forgot to mention that
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haha Im not! I have found that if Im eating raw meat, I can eat any amount. With raw organic honey and garlic if I want. But I cant tolerate anything else. Nothing.
If you can tolerate raw meat, you'll likely be able to tolerate raw beef fat. contact your source for food and ask if they will send you some. It's usually cheap or free.
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I will do that tomorrow! Good suggestion :)
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That should help put weight on you and help you feel better. Odds are if everything gives you trouble raw dairy might not be the exception.
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i did meat only for a while (about a year, but with some experimenting on occasion) because it was the only food i could tolerate. when i ate like this my digestion was normal, but anything else and i was in pain, my colon spasming, and i'll spare the rest of details. i agree with troll, and had found a way to enjoy organs too. little by little i've been introducing more and more foods. i'm almost where i want to be, not quite yet though.
my experience with goat milk/goat milk kefir: i tried goat milk and did fine with it. i loved the calm i got from drinking warm milk. i then tried kefir thinking that if raw milk was fine, then kefir would be even better. what a disaster! i don't know why... maybe the acidity?... kefir is awful for me. i still did well with raw milk though, but later on when i tried to increase the amount of milk, i didn't do so well :/ so i just stopped altogether. the only reason i was drinking it is because i really enjoyed the calm of raw warm milk. i must just like the opiates :D, and that would have kept me drinking it if it worked for me. but i stopped rather quickly, i don't think it's a food for me. that said, there are members here from time to time who get incredibly healing results with raw milk, so i think it's an individual thing.
fermented cabbage to this day is not good for me. i love it!, but it goes right through me seemingly undigested.
raw butter was extremely healing at one point. it lost it's magic for some reason :(
ground flax seeds are soothing to the intestines. i don't like the idea of eating nuts or seeds on any regular basis, but my body does so well that i eat a small amount a few times per week. i'll stop as soon as my body doesn't need them anymore. regular flax seeds have a laxative effect, but are also soothing.
honey depends on the brand, but i stopped eating it because it's too addictive for me. i didn't notice any digestive benefits.
good luck!
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Were you able to find raw beef fat?
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not yet this is a pretty slow time. apparently beef is no longer in season? Im gonna have to do some searching
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not yet this is a pretty slow time. apparently beef is no longer in season? Im gonna have to do some searching
Might try calling the local abattoirs. Grass-finished beef looks and smells different, so they would know.
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Yeah? What experiments did he perform? What theoretical breakthrough did he offer? A fake diploma, an incredible tale of coyotes feeding him, 300 $ for 15 minutes consultations, a theory half copied on GCBs and altered, distorted…
GCB has never pretended to heal people: once the causes of their health troubles are removed people often self-heal.
Let him say…
We discussed this before. Science and technology became very specialized and we generally have to refer to experts in each specific areas.
There’s a huge difference between “seem” and “are”.
Ask the animals around you, they probably know better. Or have a Red Bull, it'll make you feel great.
he discusses many of the experiments hes done in his books which im not sure if you have read.
What he charges for consultations or lectures is irrelevant. If youw ant a consultation or lecture then pay what he asks for it, if not dont come.its that simple.
and diplomas mean nothing. If seeing some letters at the end of his name makes someone try raw animal foods who wouldnt have tried it without those letters then i think thats great. For me letters at the end someones name makes me trust them less.
and red bull makes me feel like crap.
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if you want to gain weight goat milk is the way to go. it is known to cause weight gain. It certainly helped me.
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if you want to gain weight goat milk is the way to go. it is known to cause weight gain. It certainly helped me.
Yeah, it really does help weight gain. Avocados do too, but not as much.
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Not having a car is really setting me back here. I found a source, but I cant get to it. haha
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Can you just kill something wild Poncho? A squirrel, rabbit, fowl? If so, then just go kill your own food, no car required, though not an option in the city, not for lack of food animals but for lack of sanitary food for them, ie cheese its don't work so well in a squirrel's digestive system.
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Not having a car is really setting me back here. I found a source, but I cant get to it. haha
Other options: get a ride from a friend, rent a car, take a taxi or bus, ride a bicycle, ask someone to deliver. Yes, you pay for some of these, but just chalk it up to the price of food. Don't forget: meat stores well if you hang the muscles up in your fridge, so buy a whole bunch at once if it's hard to get there. True, there are all sorts of obstacles, but there is always one more solution than there are problems.
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Haha car rentals dont do me much good since I'm missing the license part. I subway everywhere, but I can't subway to america. Friends have jobs and lives. I can see if theyll let me pay them haha, good idea. I dont know what it is in my head thats holding me back, because Im definitely not lazy anymore. All thanks to raw meat :)
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Daniel Vitalis - Milk Myths (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMpM9m9RLOw#)
Then best answer on the dairy debate which I can come up with is that there are mutants Like Aajonus an Daniel Vitalis who can thrive on Dairy, while the other 95% of people are better off without it.
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I manage to keep my weight stable with a lot of olive oil. Also I buy the meat cuts with most fat on them, which at the same time are cheapest.
So you could try olive oil, if you have no problems digesting it.
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I got my hands on a bunch of raw goat and sheep cheeses, they seem to make me feel great so far! I'm sure I won't want dairy once I'm done being so skinny and weak haha
Eating olive oil? Drinking it? or.. hahah
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So you want to offer olive oil as an alternative to goats milk? LOL
talk about unnatural! Not to mention that oils dont have any nutritive value, they are more used for detox than nutrition . I personally find olive oil disgusting. It makes me nauseous in any amount more than like a half teaspoon. I will say however that olive proved highly useful to me in liver flushing and should not be avoided when people need to go through such a forceful and uncomfortable detox as I was forced to do.
as far as cheeses go, my understanding is that wont be enough since cheeses are used more for detox than nutrition as well.
and which fatty cuts are cheapest? Where im at the leanest cuts are cheapest and the juicy stuff marbled with fat is very expensive such as porterhouses and whatnot.
what are some cheap fatty cuts?
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The cheese feels satisfying while I hunt for other raw goat/sheep dairy haha. Leave me be. If you saw my blog, you saw the progress my stomach is making :P
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Il leave you be, im just saying you shouldnt give up looking for other stuff because the cheese wont help you gain wieght nearly as much as milk or cream or butter will.
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trollofthedungeon don't be ridiculous. You can't digest olive oil we got it. There's no need to go on with your pointless rambling about the nutritive value or whatever else. I'm perfectly fine with olive oil (and lots of it), whereas I find dairy terrible, and it's not because I'm lactose intolerant or something. I just told Poncho what works for me, maybe it helps her or maybe not.
The cut I get is typically this, no clue how's it in English
(http://www.umdiewurst.de/images/shop/gross/1617.jpg)
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If you read the thread youd see that shes trying to do meat only for now because plants make her feel bad.
Olive oil in this case is definitly not a good suggestion since if she cant even eat raw whole plants, olive oil would be very unlikely to go down well.
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and feeling terrible on dairy in my opinion is detox for the most part. at elast it was for me
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glad you have a source of raw cheeses ponch!! they might actually be easier to transition too then milk because of less lactose and higher concentration of good vitamins, D, K2, and highly absorbable(hopefully!) minerals.
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It literally made me smile to see you call me 'Ponch' haha, cause Poncho is my little runt cats name and I call him Ponch.
Really though cheese is hard for me, I can handle it in tiny doses. Do you think itll get easier to handle?
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Aajonus reccomends that cheese be eaten with another fat such as butter for example bbut could be something else. I tend to agree with that.
also makes sure your cheese is actually raw. Most cheese sold as raw actually is only under legal pasteurization temperature so that means its pretty much crap. It needs to be totally unheated. You have to ask the manufacturer/farmer.
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Awwww cute, ponch kitty!
Dairy might mess you up for a while, but if you focus on figuring out your gut disbiosis and getting your digestion strong you might be able to enjoy it again.
I went off dairy for yeeaars, but after eating raw meats for about 2 years and taking probiotics and digestive enzymes and limiting but not totally doing away with carbs, my digestion got a bit better I started up with yogurt, not even raw yogurt but REALLY good organic yogurt from White Mountain, its super sour and legit. That was the start, I craved and ate the shit out of it! Then butter, copious amounts of grass fed but pasturized butter. Then raw whey, then cheeses, thenthenthen. It doesn't upset my stomach, it actually helps my digestion and make my skin smooth, but I tend to over eat it so I don't really buy it often.
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I felt all right on plenty of dairy (including raw cheese and butter) from 18 to 41 years old but at the end I had more and more health problems. When I completely stopped all dairy, wheat and cooked food, these problems largely disappeared.
Health troubles generally occur with a long delay. You can eat raw dairy and feel perfectly fine for decades, but it's likely to jeopardize your health with severe troubles appearing years later.
I hope you understand that our immune system gets into a state of tolerance when constantly overwhelmed by a daily consumption of food containing antigens. It's not at all a blessing to have an immune system in a state of tolerance for dairy products, contrary to what most people think, even here on this raw paleo forum!!
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Completely agree with Iguana, and similar experience here.
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" When I completely stopped all dairy, wheat and cooked food, these problems largely disappeared. "
this really says it all to me. the raw vegan who quit meat and feels a lot better now thinks its because he quit meat is completely wrong even though he genuinely feels a lot better. WHat he doesnt realize is that he feels better because he stopped eating cooked food and biological weapons (hfcs aspartame...stuff like that) at the same he stopped eating meat.
if you quit dairy at the same time as quitting cooked foods and wheat how do you know you dont just feel better from quitting cooked food and wheat. Maybe you would have felt just as good continuing on raw dairy but still quitting wheat and all cooked foods.
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FYI I continued for a while with raw butter and cheese. But it got completely right only when I stopped eating those too.
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if you quit dairy at the same time as quitting cooked foods and wheat how do you know you dont just feel better from quitting cooked food and wheat.
That’s right, we can’t tell this way.
On the other hand, it would be too fastidious and an exceedingly long experiment for anyone to eliminate one by one every suspicious food to check if the troubles come from it or not.
There is more than enough evidence from serious experimenters and scientists such as Burger, Seignalet (http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggforeword.html), Eaton, etc. and logical inferences to suspect dairy as one of the main source of health troubles.
How people like you who know about raw paleo, who know that no animal species drink the milk of another species, that no animal drinks milk when adult, that humans started to consume animal milk very recently in an evolutionary timescale – just like cereal grains – fail to understand that consuming dairy products is dangerous?
It's completely illogical to avoid cereal grains because they are Neolithic food while still consuming dairy which consumption is even more recent.
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Like I said in other posts, the whole timeline thing is irrelevant to me because I dont believe a word of mainstream history.
I dont tell people im raw paleo. Im just a raw foodist.
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That's perfectly fine, feel free to believe anything you like ;)
But please don't persuade other people to follow your beliefs, as if they are 100% correct and proven.
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dont be a hypocrite