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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: instant on October 01, 2009, 02:38:04 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abg8l2Zs7d8
i thought Aajonus would look a little better and have better hair; his hair seems to be thinning..
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Are you his age mr(miss/mrs) instant? I'm looking for your profile age. I don't know what kind of previous health or diet you come from, but aajonus' ways work for my health.
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I just don't get wtf they're talking about, he's standing there eating that stuff and they're talking about risks. Certainly begs the question.
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im 26.. but
Someone posted on another raw forum that hair loss is like acne, there a symptom of poor diet..
So one could have all there hair forever..
or is hair loss solely genetics and its inevitable ?
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Between chemtrails, toxic water, car accidents and who knows what else, I have no idea why his hair might be thinning at age 62 after curing himself from so many things. It's a lot to go through. Diet isn't like chopping off a limb and now you're healthy, it's an ongoing process. Did you read the child boards?
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no is there a section on hair loss?
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ahh found it
Baldness is just another disease. Genetics determines whether you will be susceptible or not, diet determines whether you ultimately end up going bald, and how severe. The thing is that baldness is one of the less severe illnesses that shows itself in people who aren't particularly unhealthy. Baldness is actually very similar to acne in it's cause and treatements.
post on this forum here
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/raw-weston-price/baldness-american-indians/10/
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I posted that. The thing about hairloss is that it shows itself much more easily than other health problems, and once it starts it's extremely hard to stop via diet - following a healthy diet from birth is really needed to have best protection since the damage is cumulative, you don't lose all your hair overnight, whereas other problems don't become evident until they have developed extensively.
The diet of teenagers that causes acne also weakens the hair follices (DHT, sebum and inflammation in the sebacious skin gland causes acne, while in the hair follice these same things causes hairloss). Hair grows back but after x nuimber of hair cycles grow back weaker and thinner. Thinning hair doesn't mean he is necessarily sick - just aging and getting old. He eats a lot of dairy too, the pasteurized product is particularly bad for these conditions, likely the raw as well.
I had terrible acne and rapid early onset balding before starting this diet, acne cleared right up and hairloss slowed down but no regrowth to speak off after a few months. Aajonus probably was thinning well before he started this diet, and the best diet could for him was slow down the loss, maybe he'd be a cueball otherwise?
If you are willing to take drugs in combination with diet you could more than likely keep all your hair. Either one separately might not keep all your hair depending on your genetic predisposition, but will at least slow down hairloss.
(IMO raw paleo (preferably zero carb) combined with fasting + calorie restriction will prevent hairloss from happening/stop more loss once it happens, high calorie raw paleo only to slow loss once it's started...if started at birth good chance to prevent)
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I just don't get wtf they're talking about, he's standing there eating that stuff and they're talking about risks. Certainly begs the question.
IMO the reason he's on the show to be made fun of.
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ahh found it
post on this forum here
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/raw-weston-price/baldness-american-indians/10/
Remember, he has said the only exercise he gets is typing on the computer, walking to the bathroom, driving his motorcycle and walking a little. It may not be his diet so much as his lifestyle. He lives in a warm climate. These American Indians live their lives outdoors. When my pets live indoors in the Winter, they lose their fur. When they spend outdoors in the cold they maintain their fur.
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Spot on, Invisible. They just wanna take shots at someone.
But as Kyle said, they talk risks and force their view while AJ just does what he does.
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overall aajonus looks good..
but my hair is thinning fast. even though i start raw paleo i was hoping that i could regrow or save my hair. i was hoping to look at aajonus as a hair model, but if i have hair as much as him at the same age, i would be happy.
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No offense but i would not want to follow the diet these people are on... they look very sick and weak, cry over nothing.. something is wrong here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4VFjA1WYc
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No offense but i would not want to follow the diet these people are on... they look very sick and weak, cry over nothing.. something is wrong here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4VFjA1WYc
You DO realize this program was made for effect.
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I don think so, they just dont look like vibrant healthy people...
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Doesn't matter.
A few people don't adequately represent all who follow any particular lifestyle. There is more to a person than what they eat, and eating habits alone are not a magic cure-all for all that may ail us.
Ever seen a super-scrawny raw vegan?
Compare that the raw vegan athletes like Richard Blackman, Robert Cheeke, or Tonya Kay.
Diet alone is only one small factor.
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you do have a point SD.. sometimes i look into diet to much
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I talked to the wife in that TV episode and she pointed out that it was grossly distorted. For example, the husband of the cooked-diet-eating couple was won round to the notion of eating raw foods to the point where he almost was willing to eat raw chicken and did in fact consume some raw milk. Unfortunately, the producers of Wifeswap were horrified at the notion of the 2 couples reaching an understanding(the whole premise of the show, after all, is the culture shock of 2 couples from radically different lifestyles living together and making each others' lives a living hell), so they forced the husband to first watch the chicken being slaughtered before being allowed to eat it raw, so, of course, being a dainty urban-living type, he couldn't then bring himself to eat the resulting flesh.
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Between chemtrails, toxic water, car accidents and who knows what else, I have no idea why his hair might be thinning at age 62 after curing himself from so many things. It's a lot to go through. Diet isn't like chopping off a limb and now you're healthy, it's an ongoing process. Did you read the child boards?
Wait a minute, isn't Lex older than 62, and didn't Lex report that his hair stopped thinning and some even returned? If true it does seem at least possible that a diet properly tuned to the needs of one's body can stop hair loss, though perhaps not in all people. My own hair loss slowed greatly when I eliminated gluten, but did not stop (I used to wake up each morning to a pillow full of 20-30+ newly fallen hairs and hairs in my mouth--now only a about a dozen or so accumulate between weekly washings). It does seem to be one of the more stubborn issues.
I think it's great that Aajonus apparently put his cancer into remission with dietary change and I commend him for the courage to stand up to the ridicule of those doctors who behaved rudely and arrogantly in that segment, the obvious premise of which was the old Barnum-and-Bailey-style freak show, but I don't think that should stop people from questioning things. My own mantra is "question everything."
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Last I checked, I was pretty sure Lex was 59 when I first heard of him and is now 60 - but maybe I'm wrong.
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i think hes 62
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Well, according to Lex's success story he was born in '51, so that would make him a little bit younger than Aajonus (I blame my overestimate of Lex's age on his frequent talk about being old :D ), yet despite just a small age difference, Aajonus' hair is rapidly thinning whereas Lex's hair had stopped thinning, at last report. It's not a scientific comparison, but does give me pause. Of course, Aajonus might argue that he's still got more hair, more muscles, etc., but I think Lex started eating decently much later than Aajonus and genetic differences from birth can also be a factor. I don't look at it as an opportunity to find fault with Aajonus, and I value the information he has shared about high meats, but I am curious about whether he could do even better if he made a few changes, such as eliminating dairy.
In the autobiographic writings I've read of Aajonus, he surprisingly admits that he didn't do well while he was eating lots of raw dairy until he started eating raw meats. I've seen nothing in his writings demonstrating any benefits from dairy, though there probably is something somewhere. Perhaps it was just the raw and high meats that produced his health benefits? I also wonder whether those plentiful green juices or limited fruit might contributed to his hair loss. I know when I eat carbs, even raw ones, I tend to get more hairs falling out.
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Query: Why would we assume paleo-humans would kill and eat an animal, but not consume the dairy of the dead animal?
Naturally, it would be a small consumption of dairy (50% of the kills would be female, only a lactating female would have milk, and there is far less milk to go around), but it seems reasonable that there would be SOME dairy intake.
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Query: Why would we assume paleo-humans would kill and eat an animal, but not consume the dairy of the dead animal?
you know this is very interesting and i never thought about this.... it could be possible dairy always played a role in our diet...
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I did come across one article that claimed that hunter-gatherers sometimes drank milk from the udders of lactating animals they'd killed, but a single reference out of thousands of pages of materials I've read on Paleolithic nutrition, lifestyle, etc. is miniscule.
Plus, Tyler explained elsewhere that the amount of milk that would likely be in an udder at any one time would be small, because the calf has to squeeze the tit to get the milk to come out of the mammaries. I don't know if they somehow squeezed the milk out of the mammary glands or something. Never heard of that. My guess is that small bits of milk were a small, rare treat rather than a staple food.
It would also be running afoul of nature's design if adult hominids could have easily consumed milk, because it has special qualities designed for the relevant infant mammal species (such as auroch calf). I think Tyler or someone also told me that wild and near-wild species like water buffalo and aurochs would have produced far less milk than today's holsteins, which have been specially bred for centuries to produce way more milk than their calf needs.
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... i thought Aajonus would look a little better and have better hair; his hair seems to be thinning..
Aajonus has caught up to me in hair loss and will pass me at the rate he's going...
Aajonus 25 Sept 02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIrFhfyrmS4
Aajonus before 3 June 09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abg8l2Zs7d8&feature=player_embedded
Aajonus before 27 May 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BzZQfaba10&feature=related
Someone who has his ear should warn him to go easy on the raw honey.
Lex Rooker and Danny Roddy have apparently had good success halting their hair loss.
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His hair is fine.
And Lex Rooker? He already lost all his hair so how would he halt it.
To me he looks incredibly healthy. Very sturdy and muscular.
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I also think AV would benefit a lot by cutting out dairy and radically reducing his consumption of honey. But I don't know the guy or have any vested interest in him, so he can eat whatever he wants. Even fecal matter, if he pleases.
The diet he recommends is entirely artificial. No human being has had access to the types of foods he advocates in the quantities he advocates until the industrial era. At that, given the high cost of quality raw dairy, raw honey and raw meat, the Primal Diet is largely a diet for the elite.
I've butchered doe that had been lactating, and out of a 130 pound (field dressed) animal you can expect maybe a quart of milk. The doe constantly produces milk and the fawns constantly consume it, so there isn't a lot in storage at any one time. Most females only lactate seasonally, so the percentage of kills that have milk would only rise to 50% when the females are nursing their fawns. Nursing usually only lasts for the summer for whitetail deer, so if you kill a doe any other time of year there will be no milk.
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The diet he recommends is entirely artificial. No human being has had access to the types of foods he advocates in the quantities he advocates until the industrial era. At that, given the high cost of quality raw dairy, raw honey and raw meat, the Primal Diet is largely a diet for the elite.
Yes, Aajonus says he invented his primal diet as a result of his experiments.
Yes, just like us raw paleo diet is not possible for most people unless they live near the wet market or have refrigeration technology.
Yes Aajonus says primal diet is expensive. Raw Paleo Diet is expensive. We are somewhat elite because we can spend on raw paleo diet. My driver says he tried some raw beef and saw improvements in his skin immediately but he can't afford beef. Too bad.
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Yes, Aajonus says he invented his primal diet as a result of his experiments.
Yes, just like us raw paleo diet is not possible for most people unless they live near the wet market or have refrigeration technology.
Yes Aajonus says primal diet is expensive. Raw Paleo Diet is expensive. We are somewhat elite because we can spend on raw paleo diet. My driver says he tried some raw beef and saw improvements in his skin immediately but he can't afford beef. Too bad.
Time you gave him a pay rise!
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I also think AV would benefit a lot by cutting out dairy and radically reducing his consumption of honey. But I don't know the guy or have any vested interest in him, so he can eat whatever he wants. Even fecal matter, if he pleases.
The diet he recommends is entirely artificial. No human being has had access to the types of foods he advocates in the quantities he advocates until the industrial era. At that, given the high cost of quality raw dairy, raw honey and raw meat, the Primal Diet is largely a diet for the elite.
I've butchered doe that had been lactating, and out of a 130 pound (field dressed) animal you can expect maybe a quart of milk. The doe constantly produces milk and the fawns constantly consume it, so there isn't a lot in storage at any one time. Most females only lactate seasonally, so the percentage of kills that have milk would only rise to 50% when the females are nursing their fawns. Nursing usually only lasts for the summer for whitetail deer, so if you kill a doe any other time of year there will be no milk.
That is what YOU think. AV has been doing this for a long long period and I dare say he knows a lot more than you. Calling his diet "entirely artificial" just shows your ignorance. Everything he recommends could be achieved through hearding.
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He looks to have aged quite a bit in 8 years.
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He looks to have aged quite a bit in 8 years.
He's 64. He looks incredible for his age.
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Keep in mind that he was probably coated with makeup and so forth so that he looks presentable for television. This stuff probably has an effect on the appearance of his hair.
Reality is that no person could maintain whatever their diet is nowadays whether dairy, meat or whatever if this were a real paleo time.
I read a report awhile back that looked into the causes of diabetes that is / was rampant in aboriginal Indians I believe in Manitoba, Canada. I do not recall the details except that what the concluded was obvious to me. These people had evolved into having a feast or famine lifestyle where they got an animal or some berries or whatever they ate and they gorged on it for the time it was available and their bodies converted it into some fat or whatever which their body stored till the food ran out.
Trouble is that with modern food availability, this storing of fats, etc. became a precursor to diabetes when it also included some of the modern cooking methods and modern foodstuffs, such as white flour and coffee probably the worst of the lot.
Living strictly off of this food or that food or deep sea food and eating a steady diet of whatever meat you like would be a pipe dream to a paleo person. I would guess that they lived hand to mouth and depended on seasons to provide what they need. The seasons provided meat, berries and probably tubers or roots of whatever variety was native. Speculating that there was no dairy is quite frankly silly. My friend from Tibet says that where he grew up was an extremely isolated area and the kids would go grab the teat of one of their yaks whenever they were hungry.
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Keep in mind that he was probably coated with makeup and so forth so that he looks presentable for television. This stuff probably has an effect on the appearance of his hair.
I'm sure that Aajonus would never use conventional makeup. He has some "raw skin formula", made from butter, cream, coconut cream, and royal jelly.
I met him at a workshop about a year ago, and I got the impression that he's not the kind of person who worries about looking "presentable".
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probably why intermittent fasting seems to work so well. for me anyway :) i have to disagree that they would always be living from hand to mouth, i think that would only happen in certain seasons and also depends where you lived. for example in one or two episodes of bear grylls survival show it looked like he could have lived forever off the land just fine, but its probably true you wouldnt be able to follow it exactly as we do now, you'd have to go with whatever you could find or kill. probably a good thing for variety ;)
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My driver says he tried some raw beef and saw improvements in his skin immediately but he can't afford beef. Too bad.
Good samaritan, eh?
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Haai
Re: Aajonus Vonderplanitz on the doctors
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 09:12:44 AM »
He looks to have aged quite a bit in 8 years.
First time I spoke about 11 inches from him, he looked about 19 years younger than his chronological age to me, but not just that, also very healthy for that 19 years younger.
I agree. On the subsequent times I saw him he looked like he had been through things. But he had! Several weeks after his motorcycle collision I saw him. About a month after his injection attack I saw him. Times I saw him that he hadn't been seriously injured within the few months before, he looked excellent!
ForTheHunt
Re: Aajonus Vonderplanitz on the doctors
He's 64. He looks incredible for his age.
He does look good for his age.
raw-al
Re: Aajonus Vonderplanitz on the doctors
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 12:06:42 PM »
Keep in mind that he was probably coated with makeup and so forth so that he looks presentable for television. This stuff probably has an effect on the appearance of his hair.
He never looked like he had a stitch of any kind of make up the handful of times I saw him in person. Have you seen him in person yet?
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He has some "raw skin formula", made from butter, cream, coconut cream, and royal jelly.
I tried the formula. I know people who swear by it and never go without it. They look great. Lol what I like about it the most is dogs and puppies can't get enough of it :) hamsters too, in my experience. :) oh, my younger cat likes it too. Of course the animals never wore it, but took it internally, and will again I'm sure, any time it's available.
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FortheHunt, just curious--what's your opinion of Aajonus' CIA injection attack story?