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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: proteus on March 09, 2011, 06:36:41 am
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i believe raw eggs are safe from parasites - correct ? the same would be true for something like milk ( i don't drink milk ) right ?
is there anything else ? maybe some sort of oysters or shrimp or some nonsense like that ?
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Lots of sea food should have no dangerous to human parasites.
It is fresh water food that has more parasites that stick to humans.
Weston price followers say you freeze your meat for 14 days and parasites are all dead.
But parasites are everywhere, when you breath, shake someones hand, eat salad, eat fruit, eat meat... and you can try cooking them all to death, which may include your death as well. See hulda clark's early demise, she degenerated fast because of her paranoia.
Parasites are easy to get rid of. Through foods, through herbs, through electricity, through drugs.
Keep parasites in check by not polluting yourself with chemicals so they stay where they should stay.
Being undernourished or polluted nourished is more of a threat.
All humans host parasites because we are the top predator of this world.
I live in the tropics and we grow up knowing parasites are normal and we can get rid of them easily.
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I detected / saw in my poop liver fluke tomato peels parasites in 2005 to 2006, and I was on the regular Filipino SAD cooked diet. And I was sick being consumed of eczema then.
I went raw paleo diet Jan 2008.
I detected / saw tapeworms in my poop Jan 2011. My gut feels solid, I feel great. But I now proceeded to get rid of them because I want to control their numbers.
I'm at the top of my health game today. Do the worms scare me? Nyet.
Am I going to give up a raw paleo diet because I saw tapeworms? Not on anybody's vegan anti-meat fantasy!
My health is still going up up and away I'm enjoying myself... all because of a raw paleo diet.
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ok ok relax lol.
i just want to know specifically which foods are parasite free like eggs. i am not trying to say that eating parasites is worse than eating cooked food.
but i do eat eggs mostly because its a parasite free raw animal product.
does stuff like oysters and shrimp have parasites ?
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Probably they do, but not directed at humans.
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Probably they do, but not directed at humans.
well obviously i mean the kind of parasites that can make a human body their home.
is the number of parasites capable of infecting humans more or less finite ? are they all more or less known ? or can just any random crap infect humans ?
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I detected / saw in my poop liver fluke tomato peels parasites in 2005 to 2006, and I was on the regular Filipino SAD cooked diet. And I was sick being consumed of eczema then.
I went raw paleo diet Jan 2008.
I detected / saw tapeworms in my poop Jan 2011. My gut feels solid, I feel great. But I now proceeded to get rid of them because I want to control their numbers.
I'm at the top of my health game today. Do the worms scare me? Nyet.
Am I going to give up a raw paleo diet because I saw tapeworms? Not on anybody's vegan anti-meat fantasy!
My health is still going up up and away I'm enjoying myself... all because of a raw paleo diet.
How did you manage to completely rid yourself of them?
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Also I think bone marrow maybe.
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Only a fool concerns himself about parasites on a RVAF diet. Not only are they incredibly rare on a RVAF diet, but also there are tons of herbal/drug remedies around which kill off such parasites double-quick if one happens to be needlessly scared re the issue.
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Also I think bone marrow maybe.
haven't thought about it. is sourcing not-from-cows bone marrow doable ? what kind of nutrition is it anyway - mostly fat ?
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Only a fool concerns himself about parasites on a RVAF diet. Not only are they incredibly rare on a RVAF diet, but also there are tons of herbal/drug remedies around which kill off such parasites double-quick if one happens to be needlessly scared re the issue.
so why isn't everybody on RVAF then ?
years ago i went on a steroid forum and they assured me taking steroids was safe. so i started doing them and followed all the precautions and did everything the right way and still ran into all sorts of problems. there is a reason why every guy is not on steroids - that stuff is not safe.
i want to believe you, but i no longer believe anything without a proof.
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so why isn't everybody on RVAF then ?
years ago i went on a steroid forum and they assured me taking steroids was safe. so i started doing them and followed all the precautions and did everything the right way and still ran into all sorts of problems. there is a reason why every guy is not on steroids - that stuff is not safe.
i want to believe you, but i no longer believe anything without a proof.
This is childish. The only reason why people are wary of going on RVAF diets is that they are fed constantly on false media-generated stories about food-poisoning/parasites and other nonsense. In the RVAF diet community, such claims are so very rare as to not be taken seriously except by hypochondriacs/orthorexics.
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I don't recommend believing anything from TD without extra proof.
I don't think anything is parasite-free. The question is whether the parasites are of the sort that would become pathalogical, that is they would cause you some sort of problem. Some parasites are better called symbionts, that is they live inside us and have no detrimental impacts and perhaps even some benefits. It's only a few that can become problematic, and often these parasites are not intended to infect humans so when they get inside they don't know where to go and end up going to the wrong place.
And, as GS mentioned, sometimes our bodies are malnourished and out of balance and normally neutral parasites can get out of hand, requiring us to use medicines to get them under control.
Overall I honestly don't worry about parasites too much. That said, my diet is not as wide as others here. For meat I eat primarily land mammals that are obligate herbivores, things like grazers and browsers. I do not eat omnivorous animals (except occasionally chicken), and rarely eat fish whether from fresh or salt water. I occasionally eat eggs when I can get them pasture raised (i.e. hens are not fed grain). I have been a raw omnivore for over a year, and have not had any problem with parasites.
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Well, there you are, you have been a raw omnivore for a year and not had parasites, thus proving the notion that parasites are not an ever-present threat to RVAFers. So, you are just fussing over nothing of relevance. Since most RVAFers have no such issues even after decades , and the vast majority of the terribly few who do get parasites have drugs/herbal remedies at their disposal so as to easily get rid of parasites, the whole nonsense is a waste of time to worry about.
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Only a fool concerns himself about parasites on a RVAF diet. Not only are they incredibly rare on a RVAF diet, but also there are tons of herbal/drug remedies around which kill off such parasites double-quick if one happens to be needlessly scared re the issue.
Based on this, would you recommend not freezing meat before eating it? Will vacuum sealed meat stay good in my fridge for 2 months or more?
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haven't thought about it. is sourcing not-from-cows bone marrow doable ? what kind of nutrition is it anyway - mostly fat ?
Well most marrow is probably similar to caribou marrow if the animal is wild or grass fed, and information on caribou marrow is all I could find:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/ethnic-foods/8088/2
It appears to be mostly fat. Maybe that is why I find it so delicious.
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This is childish. The only reason why people are wary of going on RVAF diets is that they are fed constantly on false media-generated stories about food-poisoning/parasites and other nonsense. In the RVAF diet community, such claims are so very rare as to not be taken seriously except by hypochondriacs/orthorexics.
@proteus
I will be the first to announce if I get sick or a parasite. I am sure others here would do the same.
Even if I died, you can bet that those I am close to would make a stink about my diet and this forum. Lucky for me (and apparently many others), eating raw meat is problem free.
You are aware that most cultures include raw meat in their diet, right? And that the use of raw meat as food precedes the invention of freezing, canning and refrigeration. Right?
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If you really fear parasites, freezing the meat for a few days will get rid of most if not all threats, provided they're existent.
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How did you manage to completely rid yourself of them?
liver flukes, got rid of them at that time with liver flushing and herbal deworming.
Lately I've been taking specifically anti tapeworm food, coconuts, tomatoes and herbal dewormer.
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If you really fear parasites, freezing the meat for a few days will get rid of most if not all threats, provided they're existent.
I am not too worried about parasites but I have questions about food storage. I want my meat to be fresh, parasites or no parasites. If it is never frozen, only refrigerated and it is vacuum sealed, will it stay fresh or will it go bad? I actually want to avoid having to freeze it if I can, so that it is more flavorful.
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For best flavor and health properties, it would be a better choice to remove the meat from the vacuum sealing. As your meat ages, you will find it may turn to a dark color or drained grey/green color. If it's the latter, it lost contact with oxygen and "suffocated". This leads to loss of taste and other undesirable qualities with time. Most of the meat I eat is pre-frozen, and it's a good food source. There is still a considerable reduction in taste.
There are easy methods to preserve cuts without freezing. You can hang them on a hook (provided you have the space and equipment) or you can leave it in a fridge, but take care of it and make sure it gets proper contact with air (it will ferment this way).
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For best flavor and health properties, it would be a better choice to remove the meat from the vacuum sealing. As your meat ages, you will find it may turn to a dark color or drained grey/green color. If it's the latter, it lost contact with oxygen and "suffocated". This leads to loss of taste and other undesirable qualities with time. Most of the meat I eat is pre-frozen, and it's a good food source. There is still a considerable reduction in taste.
There are easy methods to preserve cuts without freezing. You can hang them on a hook (provided you have the space and equipment) or you can leave it in a fridge, but take care of it and make sure it gets proper contact with air (it will ferment this way).
I know about this but
1) I am told that high meat is for advanced RAF eaters who have been on RAF diet for at least a year, I have been on it only 1 month. I want to eat high meat but no one has told me why it is "advanced", only that it is. I may just go ahead and try it. Will I get sick or something?
2) I am getting about 200 pounds of meat all at once. How do I handle so much meat? Should I just get large cuts and hang them all in the fridge?
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The only part "advanced" about it is tolerating the taste, since high meat has a strong taste and most people initially even dislike the taste of fresh meat. Experience with less bacteria rich RAF is only needed if you will be repulsed by the taste of aged meat so you periodically get used to stronger tastes. You won't get sick from properly stored high meat (grass-fed/wild). You can try it, maybe you will enjoy the taste. If you enjoy the taste of fresh meat you will probably like fermented meat too.
I am unfamiliar with handling large cuts but I would hang them in fridge or store them to ferment. Also remember to avoid plastic containers, storing meat in them for extended periods of time produces a bad taste/smell. Glass and ceramic containers work much better.
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The only part "advanced" about it is tolerating the taste, since high meat has a strong taste and most people initially even dislike the taste of fresh meat. Experience with less bacteria rich RAF is only needed if you will be repulsed by the taste of aged meat so you periodically get used to stronger tastes. You won't get sick from properly stored high meat (grass-fed/wild). You can try it, maybe you will enjoy the taste. If you enjoy the taste of fresh meat you will probably like fermented meat too.
I am unfamiliar with handling large cuts but I would hang them in fridge or store them to ferment. Also remember to avoid plastic containers, storing meat in them for extended periods of time produces a bad taste/smell. Glass and ceramic containers work much better.
Okay, so far I love raw meat, even organs like liver and kidney, and tongue. I always liked stinky cheese also. So I will have a go at making some high meat. I am going to experiment with eating it before I decide to store all of my meat in the fridge, thanks for the information.
All I have is plastic right now but I am going to buy some glass jars soon. I need something to store my fat in, outside the fridge.
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You will probably like high meat. Keep us updated when you make it.
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As your meat ages, you will find it may turn to a dark color or drained grey/green color.
i had some organic chicken livers sit too long in the fridge ( perhaps 3 weeks or so ) and they turned from bright red-brown to very very green. i got rid of them. were they still good ?
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How did you store them? Most chicken is probably lower quality and not good for fermenting.
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How did you store them? Most chicken is probably lower quality and not good for fermenting.
it came in a plastic box that wasn't sealed, just closed. i picked it up at the whole foods in manhattan. i just put it in the fridge.
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Lots of sea food should have no dangerous to human parasites.
It is fresh water food that has more parasites that stick to humans.
Weston price followers say you freeze your meat for 14 days and parasites are all dead.
But parasites are everywhere, when you breath, shake someones hand, eat salad, eat fruit, eat meat... and you can try cooking them all to death, which may include your death as well. See hulda clark's early demise, she degenerated fast because of her paranoia.
Parasites are easy to get rid of. Through foods, through herbs, through electricity, through drugs.
Keep parasites in check by not polluting yourself with chemicals so they stay where they should stay.
Being undernourished or polluted nourished is more of a threat.
All humans host parasites because we are the top predator of this world.
I live in the tropics and we grow up knowing parasites are normal and we can get rid of them easily.
@GoodSamaritan - Should I only eat fish and mollusks/shellfish from the sea? Do you have a list of all sea food and non fresh water food? Got me worried. And I never freeze.
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High meat has a very strong taste, but make sure you make it in glass or ceramic, not plastic. Any meat I leave in plastic ends up tasting and smelling so horrible and making me sick, to making me not want to eat even fresh raw meat at all anymore, while meat left in glass is fine. Well though, still pretty badly stinky, just not as sick enough to make me not want to eat raw meat at all anymore. I have some ground beef I left in a glass jar at room temperature though, it's getting pretty high I suppose, had a layer of slime last time I checked it, and was getting pretty stinky, I'm not sure if I'll be able to eat it, but I want to try.. while the meat I left open in the fridge in it's original plastic packaging for just a few days made me sick enough to want to puke and never eat raw meat again just from the smell, and I had to throw the meat away. >:
but I used to leave my raw ground beef just on a plate sitting out at room temperature, and usually liked it better that way after it sat out all night and got a bit brown on the outside layer.
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but I used to leave my raw ground beef just on a plate sitting out at room temperature, and usually liked it better that way after it sat out all night and got a bit brown on the outside layer.
My meat that I left out for days didn't turn brown, it turned a deep red color. But it is lamb so maybe that explains it.
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My meat that I left out for days didn't turn brown, it turned a deep red color. But it is lamb so maybe that explains it.
I had some lamb once, and I think it still turned brown.. o.O; I don't remember for sure, though.. maybe yours dried out, instead?
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Tuna is said to hold no risk of parasites, in mainstream sources. Even some sheeple are aware that tuna is best eaten raw.
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Parasites are beneficial.
OT: Beef i'd say is the best if you don't like em.
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Whenever it came to the problem of parasites and bacteria on fresh raw vegetables my thought process was always that my immune system is supposed to kill parasites and get rid of them and if I am capable of having parasites make me seriously ill - it means that my immune system is not strong enough - which means for me that the only way for my immune system to be so weak would be for me not to be eating raw foods - or never to be exposed to that particular bacteria or parasite before. That's why Americans can get so sick in Mexico - brand new bacteria and it's not about raw meat - even fruit.
What would be the difference with parasites on meat? I mean - if you need meat to be healthy, then you need meat to fight any parasites from anywhere don't you?
Besides, parasites and bacteria can be much like vaccines - a little of them just teach your immune system how to fight them more efficiently the next time they show up - or at least that's what I learned on a cool video on the immune system years ago.
That's why I imagine that folks say that high meat is for people that are more advanced no? Don't you have to slowly get used to smaller amounts of the bacteria/parasites in order to train your immune system before giving it a big dose of bacteria that it isn't used to yet?
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That's why I imagine that folks say that high meat is for people that are more advanced no? Don't you have to slowly get used to smaller amounts of the bacteria/parasites in order to train your immune system before giving it a big dose of bacteria that it isn't used to yet?
I think the high meat thing is more a matter of getting used to the taste than anything else.
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I am considering a purchase of wild boar, but I am concerned about trichinosis. If I freeze it first, would that kill any trichinosis? Or should I avoid raw pork altogether, domestic and wild?
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I am considering a purchase of wild boar, but I am concerned about trichinosis. If I freeze it first, would that kill any trichinosis? Or should I avoid raw pork altogether, domestic and wild?
Look, I and many others have been eating raw wild boar for years and never once had an issue. In the very extreme unlikelihood that we would get such a condition, we would simply resort to standard pharmaceutical drugs to get rid of them. If you still feel the need to be hysterical about trichinosis, then you could follow Sally Fallon's recommendation and freeze the meat for 14 days beforehand, which is supposed to kill off any parasites.
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In the very extreme unlikelihood that we would get such a condition, we would simply resort to standard pharmaceutical drugs to get rid of them.
I wouldn't "simply" resort to standard pharmaceutical drugs. Pharmaceutical drugs would be a very last resort for me.
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I wouldn't "simply" resort to standard pharmaceutical drugs. Pharmaceutical drugs would be a very last resort for me.
If you have parasites, using certain herbs may work, but those who need other methods have to use pharmaceutical drugs.
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Therapeutic doses of iodine may help. I don't have any experience with this myself though.
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dont worry about parasites they are our helpers. They eat up all our unhealthy tissue until theres none left and then leave. So if you do have them just let them run their course. it may be uncomfortable like any detox but ull fel better for it afterward.
a person on a raw mostly animal based diet doesnt need to worry about such things.
my only rule is if it was raised naturally and smells good, then go for it. No other rules needed.
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dont worry about parasites they are our helpers. They eat up all our unhealthy tissue until theres none left and then leave. So if you do have them just let them run their course. it may be uncomfortable like any detox but ull fel better for it afterward.
a person on a raw mostly animal based diet doesnt need to worry about such things.
my only rule is if it was raised naturally and smells good, then go for it. No other rules needed.
really? they will leave? are you sure? but eating raw meat(dead tissue) will not feed them?
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really? they will leave? are you sure? but eating raw meat(dead tissue) will not feed them?
I'm not sure exactly how to answer this. Parasites eat toxins, and I don't view raw meat as a toxin. I would think of cooked / processed meats giving off toxins when eaten and then that would feed the parasites.
And yes, most parasites will hang out and either leave or the body will kick them out so to speak. Anything that stays is probably just co-existing with you. No matter what we eat, we do have some parasites in us. I recall reading someone hunting and killing an animal that looked damn healthy - shiny fur, teeth, eyes, acting normal - but when cut open was INFESTED with worms. You would have never known from looking at the animal. After a while of eating RAFs you will just forget about parasites. I don't even think about them until a thread like this comes up. I barely found out yesterday that more often than not, salmon definitely has worms. And I eat that all the time. Oh well haha.
When my boyfriend and I first started, we agreed that until we actually feel really messed up or puke, we're not going to worry. I would recommend a similar thinking process or you're going to drive yourself crazy with every bite of food you take.
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liver flukes, got rid of them at that time with liver flushing and herbal deworming.
Lately I've been taking specifically anti tapeworm food, coconuts, tomatoes and herbal dewormer.
do you peel your tomato? ever heard about turpentine?
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I'm not sure exactly how to answer this. Parasites eat toxins, and I don't view raw meat as a toxin. I would think of cooked / processed meats giving off toxins when eaten and then that would feed the parasites.
And yes, most parasites will hang out and either leave or the body will kick them out so to speak. Anything that stays is probably just co-existing with you. No matter what we eat, we do have some parasites in us. I recall reading someone hunting and killing an animal that looked damn healthy - shiny fur, teeth, eyes, acting normal - but when cut open was INFESTED with worms. You would have never known from looking at the animal. After a while of eating RAFs you will just forget about parasites. I don't even think about them until a thread like this comes up. I barely found out yesterday that more often than not, salmon definitely has worms. And I eat that all the time. Oh well haha.
When my boyfriend and I first started, we agreed that until we actually feel really messed up or puke, we're not going to worry. I would recommend a similar thinking process or you're going to drive yourself crazy with every bite of food you take.
but what about mentally retarded children/people(autism etc) who undergo an parasite purge protocol and make a comeback, also 100% healed? also during this process these parasites are reproducing at an incredible rate, from a 1- 3 year old behind, thousands of parasites/worms purged... i dont know if they are really working for us.
what about worms perforating the gut wall, making leaky gut sucking the nutrients out from the blood stream?
something does not add up... i think i will stay with raw milk and dairy and raw eggs
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but what about mentally retarded children/people(autism etc) who undergo an parasite purge protocol and make a comeback, also 100% healed? also during this process these parasites are reproducing at an incredible rate, from a 1- 3 year old behind, thousands of parasites/worms purged... i dont know if they are really working for us.
what about worms perforating the gut wall, making leaky gut sucking the nutrients out from the blood stream?
something does not add up... i think i will stay with raw milk and dairy and raw eggs
I actually know nothing about such cases, sorry. However, it sounds like a situation in which parasites got out of control either because of poor immunity/gut bacteria, a highly toxic environment (the body), and/or lethal types of parasites made it in there.
Basically, assuming that you do not end up with a terribly powerful or harmful parasite, they will co-exist with you. Take a healthy individual (a RPD'er perhaps) and an unhealthy individual (SAD) and expose them to parasites. At worst, the RPD eater might get the runs or feel some unpleasant symptoms, while the person that eats SAD will be vomiting, diarrhea, feverish, etc. This is the difference between a toxic and clean environment. When you are full of toxins, the parasites will go crazy in a sense.
On top of that, but being healthy means you have a better immune system and gut to keep anything in check. There's a very common stomach parasite in salmon. It will attach to your stomach lining, but gets expelled by the body in a matter of days. I eat salmon very regularly, and have NEVER experienced a single issue. If this parasite is so common, I can only assume that I just expel it everytime.
You can stick to your eggs and dairy, but you still have parasites in you whether you like it or not. It's silly to starve yourself of whole, nutrient-dense animal foods over this.
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The safest possible raw foods are fruits, eggs, and meats like lamb or beef which had healthy environments and circumstances of their own.
Seafood or wild game and sickly animals like mass-farmed poultry or farm raised salmon would be the most dangerous.
It does not matter if many people get along fine on something (or seem to). Many people get along fine on many things when others don't. Just look at allergens, people dying from simple colds in hospitals, etc. Everything is relative to a body's health state. It is not wise to advocate something potentially dangerous to others just because it works for you, although that would not stop anyone at curezone from advocating false therapies like magnetic crystals, liver flushes, pyramid healing, megadosing, parasites being beneficial, drinking urine, you name it. Yes people can survive on all of those "diets", but it doesn't mean they have any concrete logical basis. It's my hope that rawpaleodietforum does not turn into curezone by getting the attention of "sheeple" who believe everything they read or try and correlate the truth to be whatever their personal story implies.
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farm raised salmon would be the most dangerous.
Actually, from my understanding, farm-raised fish have virtually no parasites because they're not living out in such an environment to be picking them up. The trade off, of course, is them being fed corn and other inappropriate foods, injected with steroids, growth hormones, and antibiotics, and then many different artificial colors to make them look normal next to the healthy alternatives.
It does not matter if many people get along fine on something (or seem to). Many people get along fine on many things when others don't. Just look at allergens, people dying from simple colds in hospitals, etc. Everything is relative to a body's health state. It is not wise to advocate something potentially dangerous to others just because it works for you, although that would not stop anyone at curezone from advocating false therapies like magnetic crystals, liver flushes, pyramid healing, megadosing, parasites being beneficial, drinking urine, you name it. Yes people can survive on all of those "diets", but it doesn't mean they have any concrete logical basis. It's my hope that rawpaleodietforum does not turn into curezone by getting the attention of "sheeple" who believe everything they read or try and correlate the truth to be whatever their personal story implies.
Anecdotal evidence is still evidence. To avoid personal stories would be disregarding science itself. You don't think there will be anything on TV or from the government advocating the consumption of raw meat, do you? I wouldn't be here if it weren't for reading personal stories and blogs about health. My cat would probably be dead had I not trusted the stories of other raw feeders. There was science behind that, but still no VET is going to suggest it. I wouldn't be here if I didn't trust a single blog discussing the dangers and health effects of eating grains. You can't just shrug off that stuff. Curezone is very mainsteam now, but there is a lot of interesting information. You just have to know how to weed out the false information from what could be the truth or at least helpful. But that's how the internet is. We can't trust what the doctors or government is telling us, that's how we end up with the American Food Pyramid.
I don't see how you can stand this forum if you believe all of those things. We each state what our experiences are for the sake of others. Do you think most of us have a laboratory and scientists to explain WHY this diet works for each and every one of us? No .... but we still share the information.
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The opposite is true.
"Factory salmon farms often confine hundreds of thousands of fish in highly restrictive net pens for all of their adult life. By one estimate, a mature salmon has the equivalent of a bathtub of ocean water. As one fish biologist remarked, "Within one sea loch we've got 25 times as many farm salmon as there are wild salmon for the whole west coast of Scotland."
Salmon farms, consequently, are ideal incubators for parasites and infectious diseases that are then spread to adjacent farms and to wild fish. These outbreaks are impossible to quarantine; mass escapes from salmon farms and the normal flow of tides and currents spread diseases and parasites to other fish over very wide areas."
source:
http://www.puresalmon.org/diseases_parasites.html (http://www.puresalmon.org/diseases_parasites.html)
The rest of your post is full of errors in reasoning, "anecdotal evidence is still evidence" is like saying "superstitious thinking is still thinking". adjectives change the meaning of the words following them, they aren't "the same" in the sense that anecdotal evidence isn't near as concrete as some other kinds of evidence or reasoning just like superstitious thinking isn't hardly any good at all. Even double blind studies can be biased or narrow minded/misleading based on monetary incentives and such things, nothing in life is foolproof, the best bet has always been deductive reasoning of a trained mind, you have to train your own mind to think for itself rather than simply take in information from websites telling you things like raw food is good because it's "pure" or that governments are evil because they try to influence populations away from living off of potato chips with food guide pyramids, since they are not perfect entities, just forces to try and help maintain order.
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The opposite is true.
"Factory salmon farms often confine hundreds of thousands of fish in highly restrictive net pens for all of their adult life. By one estimate, a mature salmon has the equivalent of a bathtub of ocean water. As one fish biologist remarked, "Within one sea loch we've got 25 times as many farm salmon as there are wild salmon for the whole west coast of Scotland."
Salmon farms, consequently, are ideal incubators for parasites and infectious diseases that are then spread to adjacent farms and to wild fish. These outbreaks are impossible to quarantine; mass escapes from salmon farms and the normal flow of tides and currents spread diseases and parasites to other fish over very wide areas."
source:
http://www.puresalmon.org/diseases_parasites.html (http://www.puresalmon.org/diseases_parasites.html)
Thanks for that. I was under the impression (not even sure where I read about it) that farmed salmon was safer because they aren't out in the wild eating other fish and being exposed. Also, I thought that was one reason they farmed salmon for sashimi (besides higher fat content) was because it's safer.
The rest of your post is full of errors in reasoning, "anecdotal evidence is still evidence" is like saying "superstitious thinking is still thinking". adjectives change the meaning of the words following them, they aren't "the same" in the sense that anecdotal evidence isn't near as concrete as some other kinds of evidence or reasoning just like superstitious thinking isn't hardly any good at all. Even double blind studies can be biased or narrow minded/misleading based on monetary incentives and such things, nothing in life is foolproof, the best bet has always been deductive reasoning of a trained mind, you have to train your own mind to think for itself rather than simply take in information from websites telling you things like raw food is good because it's "pure" or that governments are evil because they try to influence populations away from living off of potato chips with food guide pyramids, since they are not perfect entities, just forces to try and help maintain order.
My point was that most people get information off of this forum just by listening to the community's experiences and thoughts. It doesn't mean you blindly rely on what someone tells you is right. But when someone posts on here that this is their first time eating raw meat, they are scared, etc., we all reply with our thoughts and experiences. We give tips and tricks to help you start, all that good stuff. And then the person feels a little better about it, or whatever happens. That's all just talk, but it does help someone. I'm just confused about what you're so upset about. Most of this forum is about sharing thoughts and experiences with our lifestyles either for the sake of sharing it, or to help other people.
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Thanks for that. I was under the impression (not even sure where I read about it) that farmed salmon was safer because they aren't out in the wild eating other fish and being exposed.
Concentrated marine feeding always has the fish cooped up in less volume of water than they would experience in the wild. Even when the pens are enormous for larger fish, they are cramped for space. "Safer" should include eating their natural diet in their natural habitat. Farmed salmon are fed processed fish meal and fish oil from caught fish. Sometimes corn, if I recall correctly. Farmed salmon live in polluted water - polluted by their own excrement. Farmed salmon flesh is often artificially colored orange because deficiencies turn their flesh pale.
Also, I thought that was one reason they farmed salmon for sashimi (besides higher fat content) was because it's safer.
Yeahright, safer from the fisherman's point of view - no open sea to navigate, no overfishing.
My point was that most people get information off of this forum just by listening to the community's experiences and thoughts. It doesn't mean you blindly rely on what someone tells you is right. But when someone posts on here that this is their first time eating raw meat, they are scared, etc., we all reply with our thoughts and experiences. We give tips and tricks to help you start, all that good stuff. And then the person feels a little better about it, or whatever happens. That's all just talk, but it does help someone. I'm just confused about what you're so upset about. Most of this forum is about sharing thoughts and experiences with our lifestyles either for the sake of sharing it, or to help other people.
My take is that most of the information on this forum comes from reliable books and articles about ancestral eating. If all our encouragement to the newbie was based on a few personal experiences, this would be a dangerous forum. Anecdotal evidence is what has led our modern generation down a path to malnutrition and disease. For one example, look at bottle feeding of infants, or mass consumption of breakfast cereals, or low-fat low-cholesterol diets, all based on anecdotes and invalid science. IMO, if an anecdote doesn't fit the science, it's bogus.
I've seen it here, where someone will come with their anecdote, such as "such-and-such healed my dog's tumors," and then they recommend "such-and-such" as the solution to everybody else's problem, even though "such-and-such" wasn't a raw paleo food!
There is a wealth of well-conducted, well-written nutritional science written by people who understand what they are writing about. Anecdotes are no longer necessary to get at the truth.
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The safest possible raw foods are fruits, eggs, and meats like lamb or beef which had healthy environments and circumstances of their own.
you forgot milk and dairy.
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milks of other mammals are very unbalanced foods for humans, and degrades too quickly outside of the mammal when truly raw, it's not a good idea unless it's completely fresh and in moderation, so I didn't forget anything
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milks of other mammals are very unbalanced foods for humans, and degrades too quickly outside of the mammal when truly raw, it's not a good idea unless it's completely fresh and in moderation, so I didn't forget anything
really?
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yes really.
i do not use raw milk as a staple food for my children.
it is more like a treat, say once a month or less.
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yes really.
i do not use raw milk as a staple food for my children.
it is more like a treat, say once a month or less.
people cure ''incurable'' diseases with grass fed raw milk fast. (1- 2 gallons/ day)...
camel's being nr.1(best)
yak's nr.2
bison's/buffalo's nr.3
horse's nr. 4
sheep's nr. 5
goat's nr. 6
cow's nr. 7
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people cure ''incurable'' diseases with grass fed raw milk fast. (1- 2 gallons/ day)...
Moringa, how do you get 1 - 2 gallons of milk per day to provide a ZC/LC profile? I don't have values for all the milks you listed, but cow's milk would provide around 200 - 400 g carbohydrates in the amounts you mention. Isn't that stretching the range of ZC/LC by a lot?
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people cure ''incurable'' diseases with grass fed raw milk fast. (1- 2 gallons/ day)...
Yes, in the final stage of healing my son's intestinal wreck I used grass fed cow's milk exclusively for 3 weeks on him. He was on a raw milk fast. I went to the mountain supplier every 4 days to get our supply. It worked to get the form of stool I wanted.
But after those 3 weeks he was getting constipated on raw milk. So we knew its role was done.
Today, raw milk is just a treat when it is available.
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If you fast on grass fed raw milk assuming it's fresh, it's fine in moderation, and if it's even processed a little it won't hurt you nearly as bad as many other foods out there, such as heavily processed foods or grains, after all it's a raw animal food, but it's still not balanced nutritionally at all, and there are far better animal foods, like raw beef, or for hydration - raw fruit juice, which are better at their specific roles.
People can be cured of "incurable" diseases just by fasting, breathing correctly, etc. It's simply doing something better than you were before. For example, if when people go up in spaceships, they suddenly became healthier, a logical person doesn't assume that outerspace is healing, but rather that their lifestyle radically changed.
So, when you fast on nothing but raw milk, the major change here is that you aren't eating all of the worse foods you were before, not that raw milk is balanced or magically healing in any way.
Of course, to simple minded common folk, the idea that people are cured while fasting on raw milk or using pyramid crystals is undeniable proof that those diets or methods are absolutely correct. These people need to read books on logic and deduction, rather than debate with other humans.
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so why isn't everybody on RVAF then ?
years ago i went on a steroid forum and they assured me taking steroids was safe. so i started doing them and followed all the precautions and did everything the right way and still ran into all sorts of problems. there is a reason why every guy is not on steroids - that stuff is not safe.
i want to believe you, but i no longer believe anything without a proof.
Are you serious or are you just trolling? You actually believed somebody who told you steroids are safe online, and you just believed them? WOW. I think we ALL know steroids are dangerous and bad for your health. There are so many other treads regarding parasites, why bother the rest of us with this pointless thread. Do your research and make up your own mind. That's why God gave us a brain and free will. If your worried about parasites (which like GS said are all around us) maybe you should live in a glass bubble. Nobody's going to hold your hand on each and every step. Please search the website. You will find all, if not most of your answers already answered for you. Good luck in your journey. BTW most people on this site know the truth about the RPD. The proof is in the pudding! I rest my case. :)
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we ust stop fearing nature. Parasites are our friends.
Dr. Joel Weinstock of the university of iowa cured critically ill chrons patients by innoculating their guts with trichinosis worms. 6 months later when the cure wore off they came back begging for more.
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we ust stop fearing nature. Parasites are our friends.
Dr. Joel Weinstock of the university of iowa cured critically ill chrons patients by innoculating their guts with trichinosis worms. 6 months later when the cure wore off they came back begging for more.
I wouldn't touch trich worms. Hookworms, on the other hand, are much safer.