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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Instincto / Anopsology => Topic started by: Susan on March 23, 2011, 05:03:14 pm
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We talked a lot about the theory of instinctive raw eating. But what about the praxis?
I think some ideas for the practice can be helpful for people who are interested in the subject. So I want to invite all instictive raw eaters to give an insight in their daily menus. :)
My menus of the last days have looked this way:
Sunday (20.03.2011) I started drinking water with red loam. Before midday I went outside into my garden to "pasture" some wild herbs like dandelion, wild garlic, lamb's lettuce or daisies. I didn't select this herbs by smell (till now there are only a few herbs which I can select by smell though my smell becomes better every year of instinctive raw eating) but by sight: I taste every herb which attract my attention and if it tastes good I continue eating till the instinctive stop. The quanty was about 50g. Two hours later the smell of a Mango Nam dok mai raised into my nose. For dinner I had 100g of a honey comb.
Monday (21.03.2011) I started with tamarind in the morning and before midday I went out to pick up some herbs. Later on I ate 100g of young spinach leaves. In the afternoon I drunk water with red loam (it tastes so good at the moment :) ) and later on I finished the day with lamb liver and fatty meat.
On tuesday (22.03.2011) I drunk about one liter of water inclusive a little bit of seawater. For lunch I had four chicken eggs and in the evening abou 200g fatty lamb meat.
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I see, there is nobody else living intinctive raw. :D
So I will add two days more:
Friday (25.03.2011) I drunk about 300ml water early in the morning, on midday I ate a Mamey Apple, in the afternoon I drunk about one liter water with red loam and for dinner I ate 100 g lamb liver and about 300g fatty meat.
Saturday (26.03.2011) I ate about 100g wild herbs and a Kiwano for lunch and for dinner three young coconuts.
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Wow someone's instincts are in tuned :D. I wish I had a great garden like ya to pick fresh from! The thing I love about instincto is variety, you never really get bored, just move on.
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I see, there is nobody else living intinctive raw. :D
No, there’s me, at least !
Yesterday morning I went to the farmer’s market, bought 1 kg of scallops, 4 kg of overripe kiwis (extremely cheap!) and on my way back stopped at a supermarket and bought some organic bananas from the Dominican Republic and organic tomatoes. When I came back home, it was about 11.30 AM and I ate all the scallops. I usually have my first meal between 11 AM and 1 PM; sometimes I eat a bit of cassia fistula earlier in the morning. So about one hour after eating the scallops, I ate some kiwis.
Normally I feel hungry again at the end of the afternoon. This time I went to my hen’s house, collected 4 eggs and ate them. A bit latter I had tomatoes and a round cabbage, then kiwis again, then bananas, then a few dates.
Today I only drank spring water yet (it’s 9.45 here).
BTW, what is red loam ?
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No, there’s me, at least !
So let's do a "pas de deux"! :D
BTW, what is red loam ?
I thought I translated the German term "Rote Tonerde" well. :) Orkos is selling loam with different compounds, red, green, brown or white coloured. Which one I prefer changes from time to time and sometimes I don't use any at all.
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Another three days:
Sunday (27.03.2011): Mamey Apple in the morning, later on spinach and a lot of wild herbs (about 100g), some small bananas (peel inclusive) and some dates. Late in the evening three young coconuts.
Monday (28.03.2011): Some dates in the morning, wild herbs und leaves. At the moment I like wild garlic very much and the young leaves of hawthorn:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Baerlauch.JPG)
Wild garlic
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Weissdorn,_junge_Blaetter.JPG)
Hawthorn
For dinner I had about 250g of pistachios.
Tuesday (29.03.2011): A lot of water in the morning, for lunch three young coconuts. For dinner more herbs and young leaves and about 250g of a honey-comb.
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My menus of the last days have looked this way:
Sunday (20.03.2011) I started drinking water with red loam. Before midday I went outside into my garden to "pasture" some wild herbs like dandelion, wild garlic, lamb's lettuce or daisies. I didn't select this herbs by smell (till now there are only a few herbs which I can select by smell though my smell becomes better every year of instinctive raw eating) but by sight: I taste every herb which attract my attention and if it tastes good I continue eating till the instinctive stop. The quanty was about 50g. Two hours later the smell of a Mango Nam dok mai raised into my nose. For dinner I had 100g of a honey comb.
Monday (21.03.2011) I started with tamarind in the morning and before midday I went out to pick up some herbs. Later on I ate 100g of young spinach leaves. In the afternoon I drunk water with red loam (it tastes so good at the moment :) ) and later on I finished the day with lamb liver and fatty meat.
On tuesday (22.03.2011) I drunk about one liter of water inclusive a little bit of seawater. For lunch I had four chicken eggs and in the evening abou 200g fatty lamb meat.
Hi Susan,
Do you eat enough calories ??? How many calories do you eat a day on average? I´d guess I eat not less than 1500 kcal (height 171 cm, weight currently 56 kg).
Typical foods for me these days are brain (brains of goat kids and I also got brain of lamb yesterday), nuts (mainly walnuts), bone marrow (lamb and calf), avocado, salmon, self-made coconut cream, banana, sometimes melon, sometimes papaya, sometimes dates, sometimes sapodillas, sometimes shellfish... If I eat a food rich in protein or fat, I eat nothing else during the meal except perhaps greens and/or vegetable. For example, I often combine avocado with vegetable (fennel, celery, cucumber, chicory, broccoli, peas...) and I combine greens such as wild garlic with all kinds of food.
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susan does that hawthorn have a different name? to me it looks like celery, flat parsley or lovage....
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Do you eat enough calories ??? How many calories do you eat a day on average? I´d guess I eat not less than 1500 kcal (height 171 cm, weight currently 56 kg).
I'm living instinctive raw and I don't care about calories, fats, proteins or carbohydrates. My body height is 1,79m, my weight 61,5kg, my body fat percentage is about 20 and my blood analysis is within normal limits. I do a lot of sports and I'm able to exert a rather satisfying job.
So everything seems to be o.k. :)
At the beginning of instinctive raw eating I lost weight (I reached 48kg) allthough I was eating more than today. The weight increased during the next three years to 56/57kg but never more. The last year I removed my synthetic teeth fillings in the incisors (which remained a long time unseen by me) and my weight increased continuously. Coincidence? ???
susan does that hawthorn have a different name? to me it looks like celery, flat parsley or lovage....
Hawthorn is also known as thornapple: Hawthorn/Thornapple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crataegus)
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Three more days:
Sunday (10.04.2012) I rose up at 7:00 a.m. and like nearly every morning I started the day with drinking some water with loam. At nine o'clock I went running (about 10km). After that I ate different wild herbs: lungwort Pulmonaria officinalis, stinging nettles and others. For lunch I ate about 100g sapodillas and about 300g sapote amarillo:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Sapotille.JPG)
Late in the afternoon I had again different wild herbs and for dinner I ate 500g safus:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Safu.JPG)
Monday (11.04.2012) I started again with water and different wild herbs, for example goutweed Aegopodium podagraria:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Giersch,_junge_Blaetter.JPG)
Later on I ate 500g of a Papaya, in the early afternoon six chicken eggs and for dinner I had 100g of lamb liver and 150g of lamb meat.
Tuesday (12.04.2012) I drunk a lot in the morning (about 1 liter). For lunch I had some slices of kassia and later on 400g of a honey comb. In the afternoon I went to a fitness centre doing some weight training. For dinner I was craving for meat again: I ate 150g og lamb liver and 200g of lamb meat.
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Today (Sunday, 17.04.2011) was a day full of physical activities: early in the morning I went running (12km) with a friend of mine. After drinking a lot of water I ate about 1kg wonderful creamy and fatty Safus.
Later on I went together with my daughter and her girl-friend to a climbing park and we spent 2 1/2 hours climbing and balancing amidst big trees. We were still full of energy so we decided to walk round a little lake and to use a pedalo boat. We had a lot of fun together.
Back at home I was smelling my food and cocoa beans attracted me most. So I ate about 100g of fresh beans.
I'm really happy, satisfied and pleasantly tired and after taking a warm bath the only thing that I need will be a warm bed. :)
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Today I ate...
- walnuts (perhaps 100g) in the morning
- sapodillas (don´t remember how many) and 2 bananas
- water of 1 coconut, fennel (evening)
- a little bit dulse seaweed (I love it!)
- liver of goat kid (between 100g and 150g)
The goat liver tasted like heaven for me! I will try to get more of it tomorrow.
Other foods that currently taste like heaven for me are asian greens (such as mizuna, tatsoi, pak choi), salmon, coconut cream...
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For my lunch today :
- jackfruit
- jackfruit
- jackfruit :)
- a few wild strawberries straight from my yard
Dinner :
- 3 of my own ducks eggs (white first, then yolk : I like both)
- a lot of green peas
- strawberries from a neighbor's garden
- a big mango
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Oh man, my kinda guy Iguana! I just bought some jack fruit yesterday for the first time in ages! But it is the variety with orange flesh which I had never had before yesterday, it is delicious. Do you get the yellow or orange variety? I'm not sure I could tell a difference but I want to say the orange had a tangy-er taste. The yellow I've had is more flowery and subtle, but I think I like them both equally for their respective qualities.
I'm eating some raw pastured eggs with yolks that are so orange they are almost red.
I'm also eating beef heart, and it is fantastic!
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Yesterday:
- 200g walnuts
- 2 bananas
- white radish, fennel, dried seaweed (sea spaghetti)
- coconut cream (meat of less than 1 young coconut)
- about 250 g salmon
Not much sugar, but I ate a number of dates two days ago.
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Yesterday:
- marrow of lamb bones (morning)
- fennel, broccoli stems, white radish, leaves of white radish
- 200 g almonds (pureed)
- 2 avocados
I would prefer to eat much more lamb bone marrow, so I will try to get more lamb bones.
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Meanwhile it's summertime in germany. I have a lot of different berries in my garden and I enjoy them nearly every day together with wild herbs, growing und flourishing in summertime.
My yesterday (19.06.2012) menu:
-for breakfast a lot of wood strawberries:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Walderdbeere.JPG)
and about 150g of raspberries:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Himbeere.JPG)
-for lunch duckweed:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Kleine_Wasserlinse.JPG)
and a wild avocado from spain
-for dinner lamb, chest (with a lot of fat) and leg. I ate also the ends of the gristly rips. Here a pic of a piece of chest:
(http://www.allesrohkost.de/paleoforum/Lamm,_Brust.JPG)
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You must have such a great garden. Awesome looking straw- and raspberries! Very jealous indeed! I get 2-3 strawberries a day from my roof-terras. I grew up in a large garden and now only have a small roof terras so you can imagine how i feel. Still I filled it with herbs and berries. My little patch of green in a jungle of stone and steel. Cant wait to get out of the city!
Nice looking piece of lamb!
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I regret that in this forum the interest in discussions and publications about instinctive raw eating is very small. So I decided to support another project: the publishing of raw menus in a diary about instinctive nutrition:
Tagebuch instinktive Rohkost (http://weblog.allesrohkost.de/)
This diary is written in my maternal language, German. Of course, publishing in German feels really natural for me. :)
So I want to say goodbye to all girls and boys of the rawpaleoforum. Thanks for all of you who read and answered my posts. I wish you all the best. :)
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I regret that in this forum the interest in discussions and publications about instinctive raw eating is very small.
I also deeply regret it. But if you leave, it will be even smaller...
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I will include a link to the above menu page.
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Sorry you leave Susan.
What I find sad about "die Instinctive Tagebuch" is there are so little infos. Only what you eat day out and day in. No infos how the persons health is doing, no pictures of the same.. no blood works.. nothing. So what does that give me? Almost nothing. It also suggest a WOE that is possible only with living in a place where Orkos deliver. I live in Finland, they deliver stuff here too but it is very limited what I can buy because of the longer transport. So it does not help me at all. I can live from the wilderness here but it is.. in the winter.. almost only meat. And the winter is long.
I feel sadness about how certain instictos are so stubborn they do not want to see their health problems.. nope it is only the poisons which are coming out.. endless. Endless numbers of poisons. They are obsessed with what they eat and the cleaning of the poisons they think have in their body.
This is not to criticise the Instincto-therapy per se, I find it fabulous. I really do. It is just.. the truth.. it is about all the fruits that are cultivated.. about food availability.. winter.. a lot of things that are forgotten to face. It is hard to get it right with Instincto as it is preached in the net etc. You easily hurt your health. You have to really know what you are doing. I have visited the autor of the German Journal you are talking about. It was not as I thought it should be, sadly. It is all I can say.
Life is so.. broad. There are so many things.. Life, is not a narrow path.
I really hope Iguana does not leave though, as he has so much great knowledge to share. I have never felt he is stubborn.. must be doing something right... ;) :-*
Inger
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Iguana should write books to share his impressive knowledge. I really do hope he will or is considering it :)
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Thank you guys, but the most important thing I know is that my knowledge is nil in view of the immense complexity of the Universe and living phenomenon.
I started to write a book about 10 years ago, but never finished it. It’s in French, a kind of science fiction novel in which a few humans from Earth have migrated to a very similar but virgin planet in another solar system. They eat raw what they find in nature and what they like.
Susan, we’ll be missing you, I hope you reconsider your decision.
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Maybe you are right, Iguana. Maybe writing a book is doomed to failure as each person must find his/her own path in the universe indeed, and that the only rule really is "to follow one's instinct" which I like to write as "to live as naturally as possible" (as unfortunately human life on earth at the moment is only a set of compromises).
I guess it's always cool to be inspired by others, but people tend to fail because of it, when they start identifying their own life with their guru's/mentor's life...
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I regret that in this forum the interest in discussions and publications about instinctive raw eating is very small. So I decided to support another project: the publishing of raw menus in a diary about instinctive nutrition:
Tagebuch instinktive Rohkost (http://weblog.allesrohkost.de/)
This diary is written in my maternal language, German. Of course, publishing in German feels really natural for me. :)
So I want to say goodbye to all girls and boys of the rawpaleoforum. Thanks for all of you who read and answered my posts. I wish you all the best. :)
Those pictures are beautiful. I can't wait to get a garden going! So much easier to eat intuitively going out to the garden. Susan, with so little going on every contributor counts more and besides - then it's really easy to keep up with the conversation right? You can be both places. I wish you wouldn't leave.
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Sometimes I´m asked per PM or email to detail my diet. Basically, I eat according to the "instincto" traditions, although with modifications.
Most of the time, I eat more than two meals a day. Usually, one of my daily meals includes food rich in carbs (usually fruit, such as persimmon, melon, fresh dates etc.), another meal includes animal food and a third meal one type of plant fat (i. e. a plant food rich in fat, such as nuts, coconut, sunflower seeds or avocado). My breakfast often includes a food rich in fat or a food rich in protein (for example, a few king prawns or a piece of a fatty mackerel). I eat vegetable and/or greens almost every day.
I often eat self-made coconut cream and I sometimes puree melons or papaya if their meat is not entirely soft. I noticed, BTW, that coconut cream takes on a very nice yoghurt or lemon yoghurt flavor if I keep it in the fridge for a while (usually in a closed plastic jar). Coconut cream is easily digestible, but seems to be even more easily digestible if kept in the fridge for a while.
Here I detailed the "food combining rules" I observe: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/instinctive-raw-eating-in-practice/msg68222/#msg68222 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/instinctive-raw-eating-in-practice/msg68222/#msg68222)
My weight is currently 58 kg.
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Nice to see your post Hanna. Thanks for the description of your diet.
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What I find sad about "die Instinctive Tagebuch" is there are so little infos. Only what you eat day out and day in. No infos how the persons health is doing, no pictures of the same.. no blood works.. nothing.
Maybe you are right but I don't want to spread out my personal life in public. Nevertheless sometimes I wrote about my sporting activities so you can imagine I stay well with my way of instinctive raw eating. :)
Meanwhile the diary moved to a new domain: Tagebuch instinktive Rohkost (http://tagebuch.allesrohkost.de/)
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Gratefully received today: abalone and sea urchin, straight from the water, eaten on rocks, sun warming body.
Later, some fruits on the beach.
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Hell yes, bounty from the sea eaten by the sea, that's what I'm talking about. Topped off with some gratitude, that is some perfection!
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This morning the air is heavy with the smell of the sea.
Oysters eaten directly from the rocks at low tide will (surely) be the ideal alimentary complement.
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........yes, just right.
Then celery.
Then peanuts.
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I have added lentil sprouts and mustard sprouts to my food repertoire. Yum! The lentil sprouts are even more delicious to me than the peas I´m eating right now (and I really like peas), except maybe a few pea sprouts I ate which seemed equally delicious to me. Yesterday I ate salmon which was, I´m afraid, "rotten"; however, it was delicious for me.
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I've always loved pea sprouts. I don't know why those taste so wonderful to me.
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I have added lentil sprouts and mustard sprouts to my food repertoire. Yum! The lentil sprouts are even more delicious to me than the peas I´m eating right now (and I really like peas), except maybe a few pea sprouts I ate which seemed equally delicious to me.
Hi Hanna
following your post, with an eye to variety and trying a different food, I undertook to sprout some lentils also.
Miraculously - as from past experiences, I am a far more efficient forager than grower - the lentils sprouted.
Good eating too at the time.
Variety wise, opens up an additional range of foods
Thanks for sharing.
Kindest wishes, J
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In the previous days I ate...
mackerels (my favorite food for years)
pork (I love especially the fat!)
chicken liver (however, respecting the instinctive signals I cannot eat liver in greater amounts on a regular basis)
bone marrow (I love it!)
almonds
fresh walnuts (tasting like heaven, so I ordered 18 kg fresh walnuts per ebay)
coconut (one of my favorite plant foods for years)
avocado
fruit (mostly overripe bananas)
vegetables (such as tomato, radish and radish greens - radish greens are one of my favorite greens)
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For my lunch today I had one of the ripe cantaloupe I was given for free yesterday at the farmer's market, plus a small one from my garden. As I had eaten enough melon, I wore my raincoat (yes, it's raining today!) and walked to eat some red grapes at an abandoned vineyard nearby. On the way back I stopped to an equally abandoned farm (yes, many properties are abandoned around here...) where there are three huge fig trees and I ate a few of the last figs of the season.
Standard people can't eat much fruits and buy unripe melons only, so we can often get the ripe ones free or for a symbolic amount. Yesterday, the seller told me “there aren’t many today” while giving me 3 big ones. I insisted to give her the 1 € coin she didn’t want, pleading her to accept otherwise I would have felt like a beggar. Then she selected a 4th melon and gave it to me as well. :)
Who said raw paleo nutrition is expensive? 8)
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haha iguana, never look a gift farmer in the mouth, trust that you are just lightening the load for them when they get back to the farm, nothing better then coming home empty handed unless you have hungry animals or compost piles. what kind of figs do you pick? i love them but have never lived near a tree during the right time of year! we still have some pears and apples hanging on here, and really dry plums that i dont much like. its interesting how my taste for foods changes with the seasons and what is available
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Hi Jessica,
There are several varieties of figs here and plenty everywhere from the end of august till now. Most people don't eat them and generally don't care if you plunder their trees. There are a few early figs at the end of July sometimes. The trees I planted 3 years ago already started to give fruits.
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Hi Francois,
heres some local indigenous figs. The commercially grown figs available in local stores much plumper, juicier and succulent, but these figs - despite being much more fibrous - are particularly tasty at times.
So many figs
Kind wishes, J
(http://)
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Hi Wattlebird - man I am impressed by you and your instinctive lifestyle, rawsome!
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Hi Wattlebird - man I am impressed by you and your instinctive lifestyle, rawsome!
Alive, thanks for your kind words.
I have always felt the pull of the wilds, as far back as I can remember. Many years ago growing up, I felt alienated from most other modern city folk, so I used to lose myself in the bush, or on remote beaches, for hours upon hours, because I felt so at home in that environment.
I was largely perceived as a 'freak' by other school age kids, and so the plants, and trees and animals, and beaches, mountains and rivers were my companions.
Ha! ;D I am still perceived - even by close friends - as 'eccentric', or ' freakish', but these days I celebrate the diversity of people, realise that such labels are but perceptions only, have great joy living according to my calling, and would not change a thing.
Nevertheless, perhaps with respect to my eating habits, if I had access to a forum like this, with the likes of Iguana and others 35 years ago, I would have realised sooner the diverse range of edible foods.
I look forward to hearing more about the local foods (and wilds) you have access to in the Shaky Isles!
Kind wishes, J
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Hi Jessica,
There are several varieties of figs here.... Most people don't eat them and generally don't care if you plunder their trees.
This is ridiculous. I know that people often don't eat the persimmons or muscadines on their land around here, but I can't imagine people not wanting tree-ripened figs. They're amazing. I love them. I can eat up to 2 pounds at a time.
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Yes, I eat a lot of figs too, it's one of my favorite fruits. In most of SW France there are plenty and almost no one cares to gather them. They fall on the ground and stick to the soles, birds eat some... while you can buy big ones imported from Turkey in supermarkets! :o
I dried a lot of figs till all my big jars are full. Then I gave a bucket full of figs to my poultry everyday.
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Perhaps I'll visit you during fig season sometime. I could stuff myself on raw duck, figs, grapes, and other rawpaleo foods.
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I love figs too, but when I eat fresh figs I almost always get what seems like an allergic reaction...sore, red, slightly swollen lips and a weird feeling on my tongue. But if I eat dried figs I never have any problem. Anybody else experience that?
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Yes, of course, it happens when you eat figs not ripe enough or/and when you eat too many. That's the final, total and absolute instinctive stop we should not go to: never go so far, but stop as soon as you have a feeling that you have enough, long before its gets painful! ;)
Dried ones could have been dried at temperatures exceeding 40°C and thus the instinctive doesn't happen at all or happens in another, softer way, much latter and too late. Even ones dried below 40°C don't trigger a very clear stop.
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figs have a little latex in the skin that is probably why you are having an allergy, like iguana said, its only in the unripe skin.
gah i gotta move where, or do some serious landscaping so i can have a fig tree someday. i am with cherimoya, i would gladly stuff myself silly with figs (and duck), they are so amazingly delicious. its really interesting to know that they are a flower, not a fruit, and that each little tiny seed inside is an individually pollintated flower, there is only one species of wasp who lays eggs inside the fig, the larva hatch and do the pollination. if an intruder wasp tries the same, the plant will drop the flower early and not waste its energy
people are incredible wasteful with fruit though, here there are tons of plump dark cherries that go to waste! in the desert southwest i have seen pomegranates littering the grounds. many places berries line hiking trails and yes, people still buy them from the grocery store.
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Yes, a white latex which is found near the stem of unripe figs.
Thanks for the interesting botanical info.
Most people are so much overloaded in carbs with their pastries, chocolate, bread, pasta and cooked potatoes that they can't eat any significant amount of fruits. Moreover, they try to eat them unripe or at least not really ripe and immediately bump into a strong instinctive stop. 8)
It doesn't take much to plant a fig tree: I just took the tip of some branches (about 20 inches long) and put a quarter of it in the ground. Many grow up and a few die.
If you and Ch.Kid come here, I'm afraid there won't be enough ducks to eat since I have only 4 females plus 1 male left, from which not a single baby duck ever came out of an egg... (I must confess that I eat most of their eggs :P) perhaps there'll be some one day and they'll survive in this though world? But you'll be welcome anyway to help me plunder the grapes, figs and persimmon trees around here or gather chestnuts. ;) Every year I collect more than 1000 persimmons; about half ripen faster than I can eat and are thus finally given to my happy and ever hungry birds.
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cuttlefish today, sort of like squid, but still unique in its own way.
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people are incredible wasteful with fruit though, here there are tons of plump dark cherries that go to waste! in the desert southwest i have seen pomegranates littering the grounds. many places berries line hiking trails and yes, people still buy them from the grocery store.
I remember seeing tens of thousands of pomegranate trees in San Diego County in CA. There were so many that I devalued them. I was a fool to do so, though.
However, I will have to say that the white sapote, cherimoya, and avocado were also competing for room on my plate with those pomegranate. It's hard to say no to ripe white sapote and cherimoya.
Seriously, tree-ripe white sapote....wow.
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I´m just eating soaked sesame seeds. Yummy! Sesame seeds which have been soaked in water for a day (or longer) are much tastier to me than dry sesame seeds.
Currently, I also love persimmons and seaweed "Dulce" or "dulse" (fresh, but aged in the fridge till they are soft).
Eating meat AND fish (instead of just eating seafood as animal food) I feel clearly stronger - physically stronger and more self-confident.
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Of course, Hanna, it’s ascertained that in the long run we need the complete range of raw animal foods: meat, fish, shellfish, eggs and probably insects too. Some people can go on for years or decades with a restricted range of raw food but it’s certainly not ideal when we have a past of damaging cooked diet.
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for what its worth, providing one has ready access to a variety of animal foods, I find the nose and tastebuds take care of the details.
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Well, my so-called instinct simply didn´t allow me to eat significant amounts of the meat of land animals (except sometimes in the form of salted air-dried bacon and, of course, liver, brain, bone marrow). So what should I have done, Iguana? Suddenly, I don't know why, this blockade has disappeared. Physically, I felt very well (perhaps better than ever before) before this happened.
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So what should I have done, Iguana? Suddenly, I don't know why, this blockade has disappeared. Physically, I felt very well (perhaps better than ever before) before this happened.
I don't think you had to do something: our body needs shift slowly or suddenly over the years and it's ok as long as we test the different animal foods once in a way. As Wattlebird said.
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I just ate lamb. It was delicious, it was very tender...
Currently, my favorite fruit is the prickly pear. It has always been one of my favorite fruits.
Other favorite foods of mine are currently chickweed and white cabbage (unprocessed), but, of course, I cannot eat much of them.
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Oh yes, prickly pears! Whatever their color, they are a delight. But store them away from your clothes! ;D
(http://coursesite.uhcl.edu/HSH/Whitec/ximages/nature/plant/PaddleCactus.jpg)
Chickweed? I had a look at the photos but don't know it.
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Hi Hanna and Iguana,
Chickweed is a weed in Australia and in this area it is plentiful, even popping up in our yard. Refreshing taste.
We have three cats that have decided they like the lodgings here and so they loll around the yard in the sun, often on the grass and chickweed. Fortunately the nose is a good cat pee detector. ;)
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yum i agree chickweed is delicious, it reminds me of the way corn silks and really immature fresh corn stalks taste. up until these last few weeks i have been eating it but its pretty much dead in the field now
wish i could get some lamb but maybe maybe we will have another fresh deer and hopefully some wild turkey soon!
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I just ate lamb. It was delicious, it was very tender...
... and makes me feel so strong! :o Meat was clearly a missing piece in my diet.
The chickweed I find in the woods isn´t tasty any longer, however, there is delicious chickweed growing in the compost heap of my father.
I´m just eating sea spaghetti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himanthalia_elongata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himanthalia_elongata)), one of my favorite foods for years. However, I like fresh dulse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmaria_palmata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmaria_palmata)) even more.
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Its wonderful that we always discover new foods; even after more than 25 years into instincto, I still discover new ones.
... and makes me feel so strong! :o Meat was clearly a missing piece in my diet.
I wonder how you could eat raw paleo for all these years without having meat. Isn’t it a trend in Germany to eat “instinkto” while being vegetarian or almost, as Tyler observed? This has never been the case of the old of the old ones in Switzerland and in France : we have meat on the dinner table almost every day and if there’s no meat, we have fish or shellfish. For example, I saw a 4 - 5 years old boy eating two-third or half of a raw lamb leg at once; there was nothing left except the bones and it was the usual dose for him according to his mother.
Tonight I chose aged beef, then a bit of celeriac, some small carrots, a tomato and 4 small Hass avocados. At lunch, I had a few physalis, 4 or 5 persimmons and two cherimoyas — not kids, fully grown ones. ;) And then, figs dried by myself.
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I even practiced a 100% vegan instincto diet for one and a half year in the past.
I never have heard of a vegan or vegetarian instincto trend in Germany. However, (almost) all raw food dieters don´t eat a strict raw food diet anyway. I sometimes doubt that there is any strict raw food dieter out there. l)
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100% vegan instincto diet
:o I never thought that such a weird thing could ever exist...! Thanks for the info.
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And in spite of this 100% raw vegan diet I didn´t have, for example, tooth problems any longer. I guess that most health problems of so called raw food dieters / instinctos result from not practicing their diet strictly or result from a very restricted choice of foods or a serious eating disorder.
This has never been the case of the old of the old ones in Switzerland and in France :
Iguana, as you know by yourself, GCB himself practiced a vegan/vegetarian (including goat milk) raw food diet in the beginning.
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Iguana, as you know by yourself, GCB himself practiced a vegan/vegetarian (including goat milk) raw food diet in the beginning.
Right! But it’s history and I would not even have imagined that someone could name “instincto” a vegan diet nowadays, especially since GCB published his book (in 1985 I think) in which there’s the best debunking of the vegetarian ideology I ever read!
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For lunch I ate more lamb; now I feel like Herkules! :) I´m really hooked now; I wanna eat more and more lamb...
Iguana, your ignorance (or was it the meat I ate? ;D Just kidding...) sometimes makes me really aggressive. I'll cite gcb´s book linked by yourself in this thread: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/who-has-read-gc-burger%27s-first-book/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/who-has-read-gc-burger%27s-first-book/)
I’m not in favor of meat; the less one eats of it, the better one feels in every way_I mean as far as respecting life, farm productivity, the economy, etc. is concerned. But I think that it’s wrong to be dead-set against meat from the outset. In some cases, meat can prove extremely useful therapeutically.
http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggraw_eat3.html (http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggraw_eat3.html)
That´s not a true debunking of vegetarianism, is it?
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Hanna, I feel you take this paragraph somewhat out of context. True, he recognize in it that "as far as respecting life, farm productivity, the economy, etc. is concerned" it would be better to eat little meat.But as I understand, it’s only regarding those concerns. He’s view is finely balanced, not of the kind “all out against vegetarianism” which would have been counterproductive. Don’t forget he was the first in modern times to introduce raw meat in a raw diet. Here is the paragraph in context.
o I would advise a slice of raw undressed meat. That would be safer minus the blended egg yolk and relish.
_That bamboozles your instincts. I get the message. But how can you uphold that meat was one of man’s initial foods? Primates are declaredly vegetarians.
o Here we go again, back to vegetarian doctrine. Monkeys were long believed to scorn flesh since they feed on fruit and wild plants. They had never been caught in the act of meat-eating. Accordingly, they weren’t assumed to be meat-eaters: That would have required conjuring them up eating raw meat given that they didn’t come up with cooking. Whichever way you look at it, raw meat is taboo as I was privileged to find out when I included it in raw-instinct eating.
_Had you initially banned eating meat?
o Almost every diet-conscious person comes within the undertow of vegetarianism. I was no exception at first. True enough, eating meat and flesh generally warrants due caution. Nourishing a body with alien proteins is quite dangerous. I believe that vegetarianism reflects some truth. It is an experience man had a very long time ago_that is, when he started eating meat without keeping to the laws of instinct. Nourishing the body with a food that the body wants and will be able to metabolize properly is quite different from nourishing the body with the same food when the body doesn’t want it. In the second instance, all kinds of molecules could slip though the grinding mill of dietary enzymes and trigger off devastation, the extent of which no one can as yet accurately assess.
One thing is for sure: It’s not by viewing the issue ideologically or hot-headedly that we’ll understand anything.
Getting back to our monkeys, I think we have to stick to the facts. The English ethnologist, Jane van Lawick Goodall, who lived with chimpanzees for twenty years, witnessed, apparently, a whole troop of them dismember a young wild boar. The best hunters in the troop knew how to catch it without having learnt archery. Primates have the instinct to hunt and eat their prey; it can be assumed, therefore, that animal protein is part or their natural diet. And as our genetic code is still very close...
_Apparently, monkeys eat very little meat.
o Their eating little of it doesn’t preclude its being useful and possibly even vital for their health. Nor is it necessarily bad for ours.
As I was saying, vegetarians are right to take up the cudgels against the usual ways of eating meat. It’s eaten cooked, which is toxic. And people overeat it, unheedful of instincts.
In a great many cases, I have noted that cooked meat disrupts people’s nervous systems, by generally arousing excitability, which has a ripple effect on one’s aggressiveness, anxiety and sex drive, as well as one’s entire mental make-up. I can well understand that some wise pundits centered on their inner states may have condemned it as throttling the spirit. Presumably, they didn’t consider trying raw meat as well, or else they would have realized that cooking was the culprit.
Clearly, raw meat stirs up no arousal, unless an animal is already poisoned with cooked food_in which case, the molecules that have built up in its tissues will touch off excitability in the meat eater, and he will incriminate the meat rather than the toxins.
_Is it not the actual killing of an animal that was proscribed by different religions?
o True enough, there’s something shocking about killing anything. It jars with our concepts of spirituality.
Mind you, Hitler and his henchmen were card-carrying vegetarians. But they didn’t shrink from mass murder. Perhaps one day neurophysiological disorders will be meaningfully correlated with adulterated foods and the rise of major political trends.
_Eating meat means eating death. I thought you were in favor of eating only live foods...
o That’s one of the battle cries of vegetarianism. One is rightly told that one is eating “carrion.” What better way to get you off your T-bone once and for all, as if you had a cube of human flesh on the tines of your fork. In actual fact, meat only looks dead; it’s teeming with life. Think of all the live yeasts thriving on it.
A cooked vegetable, by contrast, is stone dead. All that’s left of it is a scrawny corpse splayed out on your plate; isn’t that a carcass?
_A friend of mine always termed every meat-eater a scavenger. Barely has the animal been killed when all kinds of toxins reportedly start work on it.
o Well, you can tell him that nobody is compelled to eat meat when it has reached the stage of carrion. Rotting meat does, obviously, turn toxic after a while; it contains proteins, but instincts prevent us from eating it. The smell is repulsive; the tongue feels as though seared by the meat. It’s a good job we’re protected against a natural toxin. Carrion has been around in nature for a long time. And that the smell should repel us proves that man is by no means a scavenger.
Man isn’t a carnivorous animal either. Instincts clearly don’t allow us to eat fresh meat; an animal that’s been recently slain gives off an extremely disgusting smell.
_Carnivorous animals are said, in fact, to live less long than herbivorous ones.
o When a tiger catches a zebu, he savors the guts filled with partly digested grass. In reality, tigers are great vegetarians! And cows that graze swallow a large number of insects with their ration of grass. They are more carnivorous than one might think. According to some farming traditions, it was, moreover, common practice to give calves, during their growth spurts, a good two dozen eggs yolks to ensure future sound health.
I’m not in favor of meat; the less one eats of it, the better one feels in every way_I mean as far as respecting life, farm productivity, the economy, etc. is concerned. But I think that it’s wrong to be dead-set against meat from the outset. In some cases, meat can prove extremely useful therapeutically. What one has to know is when and how much of it one can eat, and we have the answer to that one_that is, we can trust to our instincts, which, to my mind, are more reliable than any theoretical, ethical, or other consideration.
_And what if our instincts led us astray? It seems quite plausible that meat could pervert our taste buds.
o Of course, taste alone isn’t enough to prove that meat is beneficial to us. We have to try and see the long-term effects of meat on human health. Whether it is easily digestible or not, whether one sleeps well on it, its effects on physical and mental health, whether it helps one put on weight, whether it helps cure diseases, etc. With hindsight, I have the feeling that results, on the whole, have been quite encouraging_provided one respects instinctive “cues” and that one avoids eating meat too frequently with other foods.
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Gcb again, from the same link/book:
With our method, we’ve been afforded further insight_that is, instincts sometimes make meat appealing, especially meat left out in the open for a while, exactly as instincts do with any natural food.
Sometimes! Not daily. Not my opinion (I don´t have any opinion concerning meat, I'm just following the signs of my body and my taste buds...), but gcb's teachings.
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Yes, you're absolutely right, we usually don't eat meat daily. One day fish, one day eggs, one day shellfish, one day avocados, one day meat, for example... following the signs given by our body, as you rightly say, which may sometimes lead us to eat shellfish, meat or whatever everyday for several days, weeks or even months until a need or a deficiency is fulfilled. So we agree, don't we? :)
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The problem is, first of all, that you don't agree with yourself:
Yes, you're absolutely right, we usually don't eat meat daily. One day fish, one day eggs, one day shellfish, one day avocados, one day meat, for example...
we have meat on the dinner table almost every day and if there’s no meat, we have fish or shellfish.
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There is a misunderstanding: having meat on the table doesn't mean that everyone around this table will necessarily choose meat, the meat being there as a choice along with other foodstuffs to choose from. That is if there are at least 2 persons eating together. When I'm alone, I don't put everything on the table: I just go to open my fridge where the meat is hung and I take its smell.
Another point about the book quoted, is that it wasn't intended as a guide to practice instinctive nutrition, but just to make his theory known to the largest audience as possible. At the time, most of the people interested in nutrition where vegetarians, and I always felt he didn't want to drive them away by being too harsh against vegetarianism. Thus the tone, "yes, I understand you, folks, it would better if we could live without meat". For those interested in doing the experiment, he advised at the end of the book not to do it alone more then a week or so without having followed his introduction seminar, which lasted two days.
There was also a one week seminar in which we discussed in depth within a small group all the theoretical points in biochemistry, immunology and such.
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It seems that instinctotherapy, by its very nature, is not something that one person can teach to another, beyond the basic precepts. That lamb which tasted like million dollars may at any time lose its savor. I have had that experience with oysters: they tasted like heaven, so I bought a few dozen more, but I lost the taste for them before I ate them all. The instinct which may tell a person to eat flesh sparingly tells me to eat it daily. At some time in the future, I may reverse what I just wrote, yet in both cases, I will have written the truth. That's true instinctotherapy.
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Yes, the Universe is dynamic, always in a transient state, and so we are!
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New shellfish for me today, not one that I have found before on our stretch of the coastline. In the picture you can see 2 Spenglers Tritons, a Turban Snail, and the large one is the new one. I have emailed the pic to a shellfish expert to find out its name.
Whatever that may be, orange flesh, Abalone like taste, fishier than the other shellfish pictured.
Bloody tasty!
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A neighbor just gave me a bag of cactus fruit from their cactus plant. It has been many, MANY years since I've had any so it will be interesting to give them a try again. The Native Americans in these parts relished them. I wonder how they ate them though with those spines and no leather gloves! Eating cactus sure takes some finesse.
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No problem, these little spines are soft; if you happen to have some stuck in your skin it will tickle for a while and that's all. You may perhaps even be able to pull them out if your fingernails are long enough. Handling the thing carefully with your fingers between the spines should avoid being too much stung.
Nowadays the ones sold are machine-brushed, which takes away most of their spines.
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rare morning meal today, eggs, lots and lots of eggs: ant eggs.
creamy and tasty.
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Eve:
That lamb which tasted like million dollars may at any time lose its savor.
No, I don't believe that - at least meat in general will most probably not lose its savor. The lamb is still delicious to me and what's more, almost every long-term instincto I know is able to (and does) eat meat very regularly (several times a week). So this claim gcb made in his book
With our method, we’ve been afforded further insight_that is, instincts sometimes make meat appealing, especially meat left out in the open for a while, exactly as instincts do with any natural food.
is simply not true. In humans, instincts as a rule make meat appealing very regularly.
Another point about the book quoted, is that it wasn't intended as a guide to practice instinctive nutrition, but just to make his theory known to the largest audience as possible. At the time, most of the people interested in nutrition where vegetarians, and I always felt he didn't want to drive them away by being too harsh against vegetarianism. Thus the tone, "yes, I understand you, folks, it would better if we could live without meat".
So you claimed that gcb lied just because he didn´t want to antagonize the vegetarians. You guys (you, gcb...) seem to have a very flexible relationship to the truth :(. In which other respects do you guys lie too?
For those interested in doing the experiment, he advised at the end of the book not to do it alone more then a week or so without having followed his introduction seminar, which lasted two days.
Your implication that gcb told the participants of this seminar to eat animal food or meat regularly is another lie: I visited such a seminar and he didn´t tell us anything like that. On the contrary, he talked a lot about the dangers of eating meat (cancer etc.).
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is simply not true. In humans, instincts as a rule make meat appealing very regularly.
Do you mean GCB is a liar because he used the word “sometimes” when you think he should have used “regularly” instead?
So you claimed that gcb lied just because he didn´t want to antagonize the vegetarians. You guys (you, gcb...) seem to have a very flexible relationship to the truth :(. In which other respects do you guys lie too?
If we were born as liars, it’s not our fault if we lie in every respect, isn’t it? Seriously, I didn’t claim anything alike to what you’re saying. But anyway I have no intention to justify my own words. Take them as you like and if you judge that I lied, so be it for you.
Your implication that gcb told the participants of this seminar to eat animal food or meat regularly is another lie: I visited such a seminar and he didn´t tell us anything like that. On the contrary, he talked a lot about the dangers of eating meat (cancer etc.).
Did I ever imply that GCB told anyone to eat anything regularly? That would be absolutely contrary to the very principles of his instinctotherapy. Again, you seem to confuse the advice to test the smell (or perhaps even the taste) of various foods regularly with the (never given) advice to eat or not to eat something. I know that after the death of Nicole he talked about the danger of eating too much meat, so it not exactly as you say about “the dangers of eating meat”.
Fortunately I’ll be away next week, so I won’t have to spend time and energy to counter the abusive posts of hostile posters like you. What am I doing here anyway? What rewards do I get? You and a few others make me feel that I should live my life without caring anymore to inform and help others. :(
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Hanna, I didn't say "meat in general" will lose its savor. I think you are too busy prooftexting to make a clear point - in fact, your argument against my statement actually corroborates what I said. If I let the idea that "I love lamb" override my sense of taste, I would chow down on lamb even when it did not appeal to me.
If instinctotherapie means following GCB's instincts and experiences, it would not be instinctotherapie.
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Iguana,
Gcb supressed the fact that instincts are attracted by meat/animal foods very regularly and, yes, that they should be eaten very regularly in order to stay healthy (I just hint at the vitamin B12 deficiency many instinctos suffered from). For beginners it is very important to know that because if they don't know, they will try to eat a vegan diet or an almost vegan diet because it is easier and seemingly healthier (no cancer etc.).
As far as I remember, gcb didn't even tell us to test the smell or the taste of meat regularly.
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Iguana,
Gcb supressed the fact that instincts are attracted by meat/animal foods very regularly
I wonder where you’ve got this strange idea. Anyway, even if he would have suppressed this fact (which is in no way the case), anyone should have spontaneously found it out just by applying his theory.
(I just hint at the vitamin B12 deficiency many instinctos suffered from).
Yes, I heard that some “instinctos” (mostly working at Orkos) were or became vegetarians / vegans after Nicole’s death and subsequent warning of GCB not to over-consume meat from domesticated animals. There seem to have been a foolish overreaction from some guys, to the point that a few experienced a B12 deficiency.
As a matter of fact, the long term instinctos I know in Switzerland and France (as well as myself) didn’t believe that Nicole’s death was due to her hefty consumption of beef and we proceeded as before — but we had mostly other meats than beef.
For beginners it is very important to know that because if they don't know, they will try to eat a vegan diet or an almost vegan diet because it is easier and seemingly healthier (no cancer etc.).
Sure, it’s of the utmost importance. But again, I wonder how some people had the really weird impression that it’s recommended to avoid meat in the instincto theory!! :o
As far as I remember, gcb didn't even tell us to test the smell or the taste of meat regularly.
Weren’t several kinds of meat along with various seafood and eggs the first foods presented everyday on the dinner table when you were there? Between 1987 and 1993 (I never stayed at the instincto center of Montramé latter on), it was always like that — just as in every instincto family that I know.
Animal foods are served first, I guess because we think it’s the most important food category and thus everyone can choose the kind he/she likes best. Usually, vegetables are presented next and various nuts come in third in case someone is still hungry. Then and finally some fruits may be presented. When GCB stayed here, I can tell you that we followed this dinner sequence and that himself chose an animal foodstuff every evening, or almost.
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"Gcb supressed the fact that instincts are attracted by meat/animal foods very regularly"
I wonder where you’ve got this strange idea. Anyway, even if he would have suppressed this fact (which is in no way the case), anyone should have spontaneously found it out just by applying his theory.
Well, I should have said "concealed". He concealed this fact in his book, perhaps because many (or most) people interested in nutrition are influenced by vegetarian ideas.
Yes, I heard that some “instinctos” (mostly working at Orkos) were or became vegetarians / vegans after Nicole’s death and subsequent warning of GCB not to over-consume meat from domesticated animals. There seem to have been a foolish overreaction from some guys, to the point that a few experienced a B12 deficiency.
Not only a few, and not only those who became vegans, but almost everyone who underwent a blood test in order to explore whether or not he suffers from a vitamin B12 deficiency. It seems to be important to eat animal foods several times a week in order to prevent a B12 deficiency
But again, I wonder how some people had the really weird impression that it’s recommended to avoid meat in the instincto theory!!
Nobody claimed anything like that. But either gcb didn´t realize the importance of eating animal foods including meat on a regular and frequent basis (long-term!) or he deliberately concealed it.
Weren’t several kinds of meat along with various seafood and eggs the first foods presented everyday on the dinner table when you were there?
No.
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I have continued to eat meat (lamb), and I continue to like it. However, i still eat more fish (and seafood) than meat, cause most of the time I like seafood more. So fish is still my favorite food.
I noticed some strange, but harmless physical symptoms (such as pimples) after I began to eat meat. Not sure whether this is detoxification or intoxication or just coincidence...
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It seems to be important to eat animal foods several times a week in order to prevent a B12 deficiency
Of course, and not only to prevent B12 deficiency but also to feel satisfied. As I said, all the serious long term "instinctos" that I know, including GCB himself, eat some animal food almost every day — something like 6 days per week in average. It looks like many went on a divergent course lately (as a frenzy overreaction), especially in Montramé after the Burger family was no longer there and in Germany according to what you say.
I don't know who did the translation of this old rough guideline for beginners (probably from the first edition of "La guerre du cru") with the odd mention of "sprouted cereals", but anyway here it is:
http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggpractadv.html
PRACTICAL ADVICE FOR BEGINNING ANOPSOTHERAPY
12 - Have just two meals a day, around noon and 6 pm. Lunch should include two sequences : one with fresh fruits and another with nuts and oil-bearing seeds. Dinner may have up to four or five sequences : (1) animal proteins, (2) vegetables and sprouted cereals, (3) fresh fruits if desired, (4) nuts and oil-bearing seeds, and finally (5) dried fruits and honey.
17 – (…) Be suspicious of any preconceived ideas about particular foodstuffs (e.g. meat, exotic fruits, etc...).
Cheers
François
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Wattlebird, that picture is so cool. If I ever get to Australia, would you show me how you scope out dinner for the beautiful blue sea?
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Wattlebird, that picture is so cool. If I ever get to Australia, would you show me how you scope out dinner for the beautiful blue sea?
:)Hi Adora
we recently hosted fellow forumite 'Alive' at our place and we thoroughly enjoyed his company. I trust he too would vouch for the great time.
Should you ever venture to Oz, I would love to show you the tasty delights of these seas. Plenty of different types of seafood!
The name of the big shellfish in the picture is still not known, though it was with mixed emotion (and a squeal from the shellfish) but with gratitude that I ate him anyway. ;)
Kind wishes, J
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You know... I've had my doubts about instincto. I've always thought to myself that sweet fruits would ALWAYS be the most appealing, and If I went based on taste alone, I'd eat nothing but fruit.
But tonight.... I had a change of heart. I was at a place where they had free apples. I eat VERY little raw plant foods right now, so I was indulging on the apples. I had one, then two, then three. Then on my fourth one, I took two bites and chucked it. It no longer tasted as good, and I felt a strong signal that I had had enough apples.
It wasn't that I was full, apples absorb quickly and all I had was waters the whole night.
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Wattlebird, I am there. It will be 2 years of hard work and prayers, but your invite makes it all much sweeter. Thank you.
I'm enjoying being zero carb. I would still like to explore instinctive, but with zero, or low carb treats like seaweed and fish. Not sweet fruit. Is that possible/healthful IYO?
Other instinto's opinions are also welcome. I realize that ZC is not what GCB advocated, but for me, for now it's helping me recover/rest/heal from carb addiction. Instinctive eating helped too, I had definite stops. I just feel like ZC is best right now, and I want to incorporate instinctive relationship with the ZC foods I am eating.
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Yes Wattlebird, I had a fabulous time staying with you and your delightful family, exploring a bit of the incredible landscape, seeing heaps of new types of wildlife, lots of swimming in warm water, going for walks, eating instinctively... adds up to a unique and very healing experience :D
I am thinking like you Adora, that it is a good idea to be aware of our carb weaknesses and moderate the amount of fruit we eat, to provide the best healing environment for our bodies to rebuild themselves. Recently I am enjoying lots of cucumbers, some apples and the occasional NZ grapefruit.
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I'm enjoying being zero carb. I would still like to explore instinctive, but with zero, or low carb treats like seaweed and fish. Not sweet fruit. Is that possible/healthful IYO?
Other instinto's opinions are also welcome. I realize that ZC is not what GCB advocated, but for me, for now it's helping me recover/rest/heal from carb addiction. Instinctive eating helped too, I had definite stops. I just feel like ZC is best right now, and I want to incorporate instinctive relationship with the ZC foods I am eating.
I am instincto, and I am VLC, so very-low as to be virtually ZC. I do VLC therapeutically to heal metabolic disorder. This is my experience: (1) I started RPD with instincto and ate a full range of plant foods along with animal foods; (2) much later, I eliminated fruits and starchy vegetables because they made me feel sluggish, even in small amounts, even when they appealed to me by taste or smell; (3) by experimental stages, I realized that I felt better with VLC or ZC, and (4) I eliminated all carb foods from my menu, selecting by instinctotherapy when and what to eat.
I think this is justified within my understanding of instincto. After all, instincto practitioners don't have to smell and taste rat poison in order to eliminate it from their diet. My range of "non-poisonous" foods are those which result in burning fat for energy, i.e., a minimum need for insulin. This is how I define ZC or VLC, by describing the insulin response to a food, not by calling my abnormal carb-insulin cycle an addiction to carbs.
Two things I know for sure: learning what's best for me is a slow process, and nobody else can teach me what's right (but they can give me information to experiment with).
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Wattlebird, I am there. It will be 2 years of hard work and prayers, but your invite makes it all much sweeter. Thank you.
I'm enjoying being zero carb. I would still like to explore instinctive, but with zero, or low carb treats like seaweed and fish. Not sweet fruit. Is that possible/healthful IYO?
Other instinto's opinions are also welcome. I realize that ZC is not what GCB advocated, but for me, for now it's helping me recover/rest/heal from carb addiction. Instinctive eating helped too, I had definite stops. I just feel like ZC is best right now, and I want to incorporate instinctive relationship with the ZC foods I am eating.
Hi Adora
since later reading GCB instincto teachings (I came at this from another angle) I respect his work enormously. For what its worth, I cant speak for GCB, but from my point of view from a meditation/spiritual background, one starts off with a particular teaching - some guidelines if you like - then after much work and understanding how and why the guidelines are in place and their implications, one discards the guidelines. Not because the guidelines are wrong, but rather because in the early days one needs particular concepts and frameworks to follow to get ones head around, to give something one to follow. As ones practice continues, and if it continues with dedication for a long time, the guidelines start to fall away, as clutching at 'mind' concepts diminishes, and what has always been there, but has been obscured, starts to shine through.
Then, theres not so much to follow anymore.
So I guess what I am trying to say in a long winded way, is if sweet carbs (fruit) - for whatever reason doesn't work - so be it. For what my opinion is worth, no need to be dogmatic about it, rather use the framework of Instinctive Eating, if you are so drawn, as it relates best to your situation.
And furthermore, life is not static, it is transient, changeable, and so who knows what further changes, there may or may not be in the future.
Kind wishes, J
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Yes Wattlebird, I had a fabulous time staying with you and your delightful family, exploring a bit of the incredible landscape, seeing heaps of new types of wildlife, lots of swimming in warm water, going for walks, eating instinctively... adds up to a unique and very healing experience :D
I am thinking like you Adora, that it is a good idea to be aware of our carb weaknesses and moderate the amount of fruit we eat, to provide the best healing environment for our bodies to rebuild themselves. Recently I am enjoying lots of cucumbers, some apples and the occasional NZ grapefruit.
Hi Alive,
I am about to go for my morning walk soon - after a few days of sun - in the mist. Will head out somewhere along the headland, dragging my hand in the bushes and trying to avoid? a tick bite ;) That last one sure made for some interesting change downstairs with its loving? kiss! -[ :o They sure know how to work their way to the most tender bits. :)
Yes, am enjoying cucumbers too at present. Fortunate that they are available at a great price!
Kind wishes, J
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You know... I've had my doubts about instincto. I've always thought to myself that sweet fruits would ALWAYS be the most appealing, and If I went based on taste alone, I'd eat nothing but fruit.
We tend to think that way before we’ve experienced the thing, but when practicing we very quickly feel that we also need other foods than fruits. There’s an built-in regulation system which makes that if we eat mostly fruits for a few days, we start to eagerly look out for other foods. I usually eat fruits for lunch, but sometimes I’m fed up with fruits and then I eat oysters at lunch, for example.
But tonight.... I had a change of heart. I was at a place where they had free apples. I eat VERY little raw plant foods right now, so I was indulging on the apples. I had one, then two, then three. Then on my fourth one, I took two bites and chucked it. It no longer tasted as good, and I felt a strong signal that I had had enough apples.
Yes, that’s the way it works. And it works even better with wild fruits, or at least wilder fruits than apples.
I'm enjoying being zero carb. I would still like to explore instinctive, but with zero, or low carb treats like seaweed and fish. Not sweet fruit. Is that possible/healthful IYO?
Other instinto's opinions are also welcome. I realize that ZC is not what GCB advocated, but for me, for now it's helping me recover/rest/heal from carb addiction. Instinctive eating helped too, I had definite stops. I just feel like ZC is best right now, and I want to incorporate instinctive relationship with the ZC foods I am eating.
My view is that to eat ZC, we have to know what carbohydrates are and which foods contain it. It’s something animals and our paleo ancestors ignored. But they have nevertheless been able to balance their food intake in the best way to survive in a environment full of dangers and predators. The ones improperly selecting their foods were victims of natural selection and died without offsprings.
Dietetic science and knowledge is not only unnecessary, but it also disturbs the practice of instinctive nutrition. Our body knows much better then our intellect what, when and how much to eat. Thus we’d better try to forget everything we learned about foods composition, supposed benefits or nuisances.
one starts off with a particular teaching - some guidelines if you like - then after much work and understanding how and why the guidelines are in place and their implications, one discards the guidelines. Not because the guidelines are wrong, but rather because in the early days one needs particular concepts and frameworks to follow to get ones head around, to give something one to follow. As ones practice continues, and if it continues with dedication for a long time, the guidelines start to fall away, as clutching at 'mind' concepts diminishes, and what has always been there, but has been obscured, starts to shine through.
Then, there’s not so much to follow anymore.
And furthermore, life is not static, it is transient, changeable, and so who knows what further changes, there may or may not be in the future.
That’s what I think too and you explained it in a better way than I could have done myself!
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I ate wild boar for the first times. It was very tasty and spicy, had a deep flavor, tasted much better than, for example, salted raw bacon. However, for me there is still nothing as satisfying as fatty fish, so I guess, that seafood will remain my favorite food for the time beeing. Today I bought venison - it´s smell is amazing...
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Tonight I ate the remains, about 1 kg, of the wild boar leg which had been in my fridge for some 50 days. It was covered with a nice and tasty layer of mold. I ate it all, the next fresh wild boar parts being still there maturing in that fridge*. (Tasted some of this new one yesterday, it's very tasty too and with some fat.)
Later I had a bit of cauliflower and some fennel, plus some macadamia nuts. Somewhat later still, 3 overripe persimmons. I gathered those persimmons more than a month ago on a neighbor's tree.
* The instincto-farmer-hunter friend called me in the afternoon to tell me he got one more and asked me if I want some. I said I have more than enough meat for a while because he also provided me with a whole nutria a few days ago. I never ate any and still didn't taste this one except its liver which had a very strong and quickly unpleasant taste. I'll try it again soon.
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In the morning I ate the venison (male deer) hanging in the fridge. Its taste reminded me strongly of liver - I could hardly believe that I was NOT eating liver.
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I ate venison (male deer) again - this time its taste was fantastic. Venison will probably become one of my favorite meats.
A few days ago I had a blood test.
My iron (51 ug/dl) and ferritin (21.5 ug/l) values are in the normal range for the first time since sometime in my childhood (AFAIK). My vitamin B12 value is in the normal range now (242 ng/l), but could / should certainly be higher. Other values:
Triglycerides: 44 mg/dl
LDL: 45 mg/dl
HDL: 59 mg/dl
LDL/HDL: 0.8
Serum glucose: 78 mg/dl
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I read that also the ferritin level should ideally be higher, although the normal range was specified as 10-291 by the lab.