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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Exercise / Bodybuilding => Topic started by: greywolve on November 20, 2010, 10:14:00 pm
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i've spent alot of time reading about many people experiences following raw animal food diets and one thing which always surprises me is the lack of exercise on the part of some people.
i really don't understand this. it has been shown time and time again that humans have evolved doing intense exercise and that it is awesome for health.
since online ordering and butcheries didn't exist back then, i wonder how many of these people feel that they would have obtained their meat in the wild by sitting on their asses?
i really don't think that you can fully experience all the benefits of whatever diet philosophy you follow if you do not exercise intensely at least once or twice a week.
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You make a good point, but it is a hell of a lot easier to do a rawpalaeo diet than it is to do the kind of exercise that palaeo peoples did each day. If we all had to run to work instead of taking the underground etc., I am sure we would improve but we have to do the best we can in this modern society.
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There are lots of people on this forum that exercise quite a lot. The others are less active, but still exercise in some ways.
Importance of the physical activity is obvious.
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I have always been a bit of a mild to medium exercise freak, however, I doubt that paleos did anything other than what was necessary to find food.
The modern business of daily doing repetitive exercise such as running on roadways is to my mind a recipe for disaster. I would guess that hunting was done as necessary and was probably more clever than running or weight lifting and certainly not done in air conditioned buildings, after dark, watching TV.
Having said that, I do Tae Kwon Do and have done Yoga daily for probably the last 20+ years.
A friend of mine was a Doctor in South Africa. He told me that if any blacks (pre-liberation) showed up at his clinic for heart ailments, all the Doctors would gather round as it would be an anomaly.
I see people getting in their cars to go a block or two to the store.
A nutritionist in Australia did a study on aboriginals (apparently it was done elsewhere also) who were suffering from a wide array of "modern" diseases. She took these urban folk to the wilderness with some "emergency food" just in case and let them forage for their traditional foods. Their illnesses which is some cases were quite severe cleared up, requiring no medication afterwards.
I suspect that if the majority of the posters here (including me) were plunked in the middle of nowhere, we would perish quickly. Those who survived would flourish in a state of ideal health.
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My parents sometimes take the car to go to a shop which I can get to in 20 seconds by foot xD That's my Mum's choice though, not my Dad's.
i've spent alot of time reading about many people experiences following raw animal food diets and one thing which always surprises me is the lack of exercise on the part of some people.
Yes KD and SkinnyDevil need to listen to this, lazy bums.
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heh,
other than the fact that we were designed to move and yes apply work-through-space to get by in this world, exercise can be doubly beneficial for modern health. To put it simply, is really about shaking those atoms around not to mention allowing tissue to die and rebuild and breath. some people do this just with some light yoga or rebounding or tai chi etc.. so while single effort workouts like running might not be the best options, there are other ways than lifting to engage a full spectrum of bodily movement
I guess in some ways, other than laziness there are some ideologies present that might guide one not to be very active specifically related to raw. I think some folks like Aajonus recomend that people do not exercise starting out and perhaps for good reason because a.) it uses energy that might be better used for healing and b.) the very reason its benefical which is it stirs up alot of crap in the body which people may be sensative to.
The other claim which seems pretty absurd is that one can maintain a fit trim body without exercise. I'm skeptical of this one myself, but as long as one can 'bring it' when necessary (Aajonus himself claims to kill it on boat rowing or hiking without any problems in energy or endurance) it really wouldn't be required to be active daily or do any kind of weekly training. I'm sure once tribes became more established in hierarchies, some individuals were not as active as others and still maintained strength and virility.
since online ordering and butcheries didn't exist back then, i wonder how many of these people feel that they would have obtained their meat in the wild by sitting on their asses?
so to me I see what you are saying is bothersome only when people talk about like how much they should eat based on their desires or instinct or whatever, when they arn't even capable of bringing down the very animal they are eating, and their energy expenditure largely reflecting what type of diet and foods they choose to eat. But if someone says to me they order meat online and arn't very active that doesn't bother me generally, whether its very 'paleo' I do not know.
I've said this before but there is probably a basic level of fitness (being able to move heavy boxes up flights of stairs, doing basic squatting and lifting motions etc...) that is indicative of health because these things will effect your heart rate and the way your body uptakes oxygen, not to mention all the other things you can find online linking exercise to sleep/mood etc...
Its likely without this basic fitness it is either an indicator of poor general health, OR something that can be changed with proper exercise to possibly make all the other aspects of health (nutrition/breathing/sleep etc...) run alot smoother.
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Yes KD and SkinnyDevil need to listen to this, lazy bums.
Hahaha!
KD is gonna kill me with all those cool ideas. He must be in the employ of my ex-wife.
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I don't know: all these theories about how much one should exercise and if that's really necessary, healthy etc...and also the claim that running is not beneficial etc...I just know that i definetely feel way, way better when I do exercise a lot. That is for me the best proof that exercise IS important...
Ceers Nicole
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Exercise has so many importance,..
But according to my point of view the main importance was you looks young as compared to your age fellow and become healthy always ans strong,..
regards,..
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i've spent alot of time reading about many people experiences following raw animal food diets and one thing which always surprises me is the lack of exercise on the part of some people.
i really don't understand this. it has been shown time and time again that humans have evolved doing intense exercise and that it is awesome for health.
Yeah I am not sure. I exercise often. Some days more than others. Not sure why others don't exercise.
Makes me feel good, diet alone is no good.
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Yeah I am not sure. I exercise often. Some days more than others. Not sure why others don't exercise.
Makes me feel good, diet alone is no good.
Same with me-I feel more in peace with myself when I exercise. Also I can concentrate much better-I think there is some truth to that saying: healthy body-healthy mind.
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It's a waste of time and boring to maintain fitness through exercise. We should go for hunting or to choose a lifestyle to live such a way that requires physical movement to survive.
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It's a waste of time and boring to maintain fitness through exercise. We should go for hunting or to choose a lifestyle to live such a way that requires physical movement to survive.
For you, maybe. By contrast, I LOVE working out. Not all days (some days it sucks), but generally I really dig it.
The bonus is that it makes me more capable when I engage in physical activities...from swimming to hiking to playing freeze-tag with the kids to loading gear to....you get the idea.
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For you, maybe. By contrast, I LOVE working out. Not all days (some days it sucks), but generally I really dig it.
The bonus is that it makes me more capable when I engage in physical activities...from swimming to hiking to playing freeze-tag with the kids to loading gear to....you get the idea.
I too looooooooove working out. It is not boring at all!
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I always love working out when I'm not doing it :D
Always eager to go to the gym, achieve goals, push myself, get stronger etc. Love figuring out the perfect workout given certain equipment/goals/bodily propertions. When doing the workout itself I'm still 100% motivated and push myself to and beyond my limits. But thats not fun!! It grueling; burning cramping muscles, shaking all over when aproching failure, sore throat from breathing at max rate, trying to walk after squatting. Immediatly after a workout I feel like I've been run over by a truck, have to wait 15mins before I can opperate my cars clutch. As a great mind ones said: "If you like an exercise you are probably doing it wrong!"
Off course half an hour and onwards after a workout I feel great, pumped, metal clarity but tired. Usualy have to go to sleep within 3 hrs after exercising.
Thing like swimming, biking, sparring I do love but that more like playing around then exercising imo ;)
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I never get tired of weight lifting. I have been lifting weights 3-4 times a week for 8 years and I look forward to it each time I go.
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I used to work out like that but then results stopped and i started working out a bit(well quite a lot) intenser.
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I always try to do at least some mild exercise everyday like walking. It really helps my circulation and my digestion seems to be much better doing it.
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I never get tired of weight lifting. I have been lifting weights 3-4 times a week for 8 years and I look forward to it each time I go.
Try hitting utter failure in 8-12 reps than move to the next exercise without rest for 8-10 exercises. Doing (large mass involving) exercises like squat, pulldown standing press etc. You won't just be tired but in a state of shock. No matter what kind of training you did before if you never trained this way the first time you try you'll probably and up on the floor after the first 4 exercises.
I trained with many people and the result were always the same. Either they tried real hard and ended up on the floor or puking in the toilet or they didn't try real hard.
After a few workout your body is able to handle the intensity but it never gets easy! (you just stop puking)
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But I can't recognize my self whenever I trying to do exercise I suffer from many problems like migration..please help me what can I do??
Please elaborate.
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As Jack Lalanne once said:
'Exercise is king, and nutrition is queen'
You see many people out there who eat very healthy but they don't look good. They're fat and don't seem energetic. On the other hand, you see athletes who eat nothing but junk, but they look good because they burn it all off.
And Jack lived to be 97 or so...
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People who truly eat healthy should look healthy regardless if they exercise or don't. They may not look very muscular but they should look healthy.
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To me not having muscle looks gross. A woman who is skinny fat makes me want to vomit. I guess I just love lean, defined muscles.
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If walking/cycling is good for your health, the postman would be immortal
A whale swims all day, only eats fish, drinks water and is fat
A rabbit runs hops and only lives 15 years
A tortoise doesn't run, does nothing yet lives for 450 years.
And y'all think exercise is important.
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If walking/cycling is good for your health, the postman would be immortal
A whale swims all day, only eats fish, drinks water and is fat
A rabbit runs hops and only lives 15 years
A tortoise doesn't run, does nothing yet lives for 450 years.
And y'all think exercise is important.
Does the food of a tortoise just walk in his mouth? A tortoise is like every wild animal they only do something when nessecary the rest of the time they relax. They don't need much "exercise" to maintain their muscles. In fact the most impressive muscular physiques in the animal kingdom are “build” on very little “exercise”. But when they do train (fight, hunt, mate) it’s very, very intensive and very short. A good example is a dominant male lion. He sleeps more than 14hrs a day. His females hunt for him all he does is relaxt and occasionally mates with a female. Every now and than however its time to defend his territory those fights are hard, intense, short and infrequent afterwards he goes to sleep again.
Humans of course aren’t animals they should train at least 5 days a week 4 hrs a day to have good results. Never do full body workouts. Also it would be a good idea to eat protein powders exclusively and use massive amounts of steroids. :D :D
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I've been trying your model of eating, sleeping and mating with only brief intervals of fighting, but I can't find anybody to fight with so I am forced to just mate more often.
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I've been trying your model of eating, sleeping and mating with only brief intervals of fighting, but I can't find anybody to fight with so I am forced to just mate more often.
Try marking your territory by pissing on your neighbours car/front door and fighting will start soon enough. ;)
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Try hitting utter failure in 8-12 reps than move to the next exercise without rest for 8-10 exercises. Doing (large mass involving) exercises like squat, pulldown standing press etc. You won't just be tired but in a state of shock. No matter what kind of training you did before if you never trained this way the first time you try you'll probably and up on the floor after the first 4 exercises.
I trained with many people and the result were always the same. Either they tried real hard and ended up on the floor or puking in the toilet or they didn't try real hard.
This is exactly how I workout, once a week (max twice). Usually I can't handle more than 6-7 exercises though, otherwise the result is "ended up on the floor or puking in the toilet". I guess too much lactic acid build up than the body can process, because of the very short rest between exercises.
I'm not measuring reps though but time, using weight that I can lift until failure for at least a minute/minute and a half. That way I can do them slower/faster as I feel is right and still have a good measure of progress.
But still, I haven't had such a huge weight gain like you (10kg muscle in a month = 333g/day). Maybe it was because I was eating SAD back then. Maybe because I have a much lower starting weight of 75kg (I'd think it's better to measure weight gain in percentage increase instead like this).
Well let's see how it goes now on this diet.
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pm'd you
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Thank you very much,It is important to me
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If walking/cycling is good for your health, the postman would be immortal
A whale swims all day, only eats fish, drinks water and is fat
A rabbit runs hops and only lives 15 years
A tortoise doesn't run, does nothing yet lives for 450 years.
And y'all think exercise is important.
This is an interesting point. Exercise has not been shown to increase ones life expectancy while diet on the other hand has. In fact some long aerobic exercises done frequently can cause muscle breakdown and in some people (depending on what their body is accustomed to using as fuel once their glycogen stores run out) their bodies can start to catabolize protein for energy, which in some die hard aerobic trainees can lead to a weaker heart muscle.
On the other hand exercise does have numerous benefits that improve ones daily lifestyle and there are so many exercises and/or activities one can do to make it fun as well.
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This is an interesting point. Exercise has not been shown to increase ones life expectancy while diet on the other hand has. In fact some long aerobic exercises done frequently can cause muscle breakdown and in some people (depending on what their body is accustomed to using as fuel once their glycogen stores run out) their bodies can start to catabolize protein for energy, which in some die hard aerobic trainees can lead to a weaker heart muscle.
On the other hand exercise does have numerous benefits that improve ones daily lifestyle and there are so many exercises and/or activities one can do to make it fun as well.
Increasing cardiovascular condition lowers rested heart rate. Some people argue we only have so many hearthbeats (obviously way to simple but still). During exercise you use more hearthbeats but that is easily compensated by a lowered overall pulse rate. That is if you train hard and short. People training several days a week for several hrs each sesion prob use o lot more than they get back.
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What happens to your heart rate if you do barbells and sprints. Does the HR go up or down?
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Can hardcore cardio cause hairloss?
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What happens to your heart rate if you do barbells and sprints. Does the HR go up or down?
Whatevr you do if it improves cardiovascular condition than it will lower rested hearth rate. Used properly a barbell can provide an extremely effective cardiovascular workout combined with strenght training. This will however mean working very hard till failure with zero rest between exercises. Not many people are willing to work that hard.
Sprints if done right will obviously increase cardiovascular condition.
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Can hardcore cardio cause hairloss?
I can very well imagine that to very large amounts of cardio take up all of the body nutrients and thereby leaf little for other bodily functions causing the body to prioritise. Hair growth will be quite low on the priority scale. But this is al pure speculation off course.
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I can very well imagine that to very large amounts of cardio take up all of the body nutrients and thereby leaf little for other bodily functions causing the body to prioritise. Hair growth will be quite low on the priority scale. But this is al pure speculation off course.
Yeah sounds right to me. My younger bro is losing his hair. He does crazy amount of cardio now and sleeps huge amount of time. We do have different hair types.
Got back into my deadlifts today after reading your posts. Notched up and equal to my deadlift PR after quite a break.
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Yeah sounds right to me. My younger bro is losing his hair. He does crazy amount of cardio now and sleeps huge amount of time. We do have different hair types.
Got back into my deadlifts today after reading your posts. Notched up and equal to my deadlift PR after quite a break.
just curious what your lifting atm?
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I can very well imagine that to very large amounts of cardio take up all of the body nutrients and thereby leaf little for other bodily functions causing the body to prioritise. Hair growth will be quite low on the priority scale. But this is al pure speculation off course.
That would make sense to me to slow hair growth, not cause permanent hair loss.
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just curious what your lifting atm?
317 i think
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317 i think
lbs or kg's :D
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lbs or kg's :D
Kg's in my dreams.
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Kg's in my dreams.
yeah mine too
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Guys,..
The main Benefit of Exercise is your health is good and your body will remain fit and you looks good,..
regards,..
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Guys,..
The main Benefit of Exercise is your health is good and your body will remain fit and you looks good,..
regards,..
how very nice to know
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I never get tired of weight lifting. I have been lifting weights 3-4 times a week for 8 years and I look forward to it each time I go.
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Exercise is very important in staying fit and healthy. Every one should do this at least thrice a week.
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I am completely agree with the above post that exercise is always effective for the health,