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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: Charlie4444 on July 26, 2012, 12:37:25 pm
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I've come across a common thing amongst many posts here and it's that everyone is still tired all the time. I notice a lot of homebodies, lots of sleeping, lots of apathy, very cool calm people, but lacking the sort of get up and go out there spirit. But, people have huge success in curing skin, digestive, bodily, and mental problems.
I want to continue raw paleo especially because it builds my legs, butt, and waste, and a much healthier looking spine. However, the downside is that it seems to diminish my bone strength and make my forearms really skinny. And the big downside is that it makes me very tired, anti social, and less spirited to do activities.
Anyone have this same experience?
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Add in some carbs man. Some of us (me) do better with carbs. Fruits, steamed veggies, etc. We all have different genetics. Try plant fats or animal fats. Mix it up. Some cultures have been eating veggies for a long time. My ancestors ate a lot of plants and animals.
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I've come across a common thing amongst many posts here and it's that everyone is still tired all the time. I notice a lot of homebodies, lots of sleeping, lots of apathy, very cool calm people, but lacking the sort of get up and go out there spirit. But, people have huge success in curing skin, digestive, bodily, and mental problems.
I want to continue raw paleo especially because it builds my legs, butt, and waste, and a much healthier looking spine. However, the downside is that it seems to diminish my bone strength and make my forearms really skinny. And the big downside is that it makes me very tired, anti social, and less spirited to do activities.
Anyone have this same experience?
Your experience and mine are like night & day. I'm very active, with a calm, steady, positive demeanor. I certainly wouldn't call myself lazy or apathetic. Like I've said in some of your other threads, I think you have a lot going on besides just poor diet, so you shouldn't expect to cure all of your ills by just eating differently. And I have no idea what you're actually eating in terms of macronutrient ratios, nutrition and quality of food, so you might have improvements to make in that realm too.
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It is undeniable that athletes perform better with carbs, you could just be needing some healthy carbs in your diet, I know I do!
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Well, what I really wanted to know is raw meat making people too tired, or is it just me? It could be just me. But since I don't know anyone in person who eats like I do, I have to come here and find what people's experiences are to know if I'm crazy or not.
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We generally only experience tiredness in the transitioning to a raw diet as the body detoxes and also afterwards, when we make the mistake of eating something non-rawpalaeo as that requires further detox. Other than that, almost all of us feel far less tired than on a cooked diet. Are you sure this isn't just hypochondria/orthorexia?
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I've come across a common thing amongst many posts here and it's that everyone is still tired all the time. I notice a lot of homebodies, lots of sleeping, lots of apathy, very cool calm people, but lacking the sort of get up and go out there spirit. But, people have huge success in curing skin, digestive, bodily, and mental problems.
really?... i haven't... have you seen the exercise and bodybuilding sections? there are amazing people here!
Anyone have this same experience?
not i ;)
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Maybe you're doing something wrong. Like others have said maybe you need more carbs. I imagine a very low carb diet would have me dragging.
Maybe you're detoxing so your bodies beat. When I first started I remember sleeping a lot. Not really during the day. But I'd get a lot more than the average 6-8 hours of sleep.
What's your diet like? Specifics please.
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I feel much more tired on SMD and less tired on RPD so far.
For me I think I need heaps more exercise to feel more energised. When I was eating a healthy modern diet and doing heaps of exercise I felt heaps of energy, which had many benefits including great lovemaking endurance l) Now I have been lazy and do little exercise I feel more tired (though much better RPD than SMD). So I need to find ways to get heaps more exercise.
What exercise are you getting Charlie?
Also personally I don't see the point of these 'exclusive carnivore' diets of mostly meat. I like to eat lots of fruit and coloured vegetables as well as meat, fat, & fish (still working on the offal).
Do you eat lots of fruit & wet plant matter Charlie?
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My experience with RPD has been energizing. I wake up alert and stay alert all day.
For reference, my food intake is ultra-high raw fat from many sources, moderately low protein from meats and fish, and ultra-low carbs. If you are eating a muscle meat diet, you might need to add fat and salt, and maybe you need other minerals. On occasion, I have cooked foods from these macronutrient categories, but I never let protein or carbs predominate.
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Well, it's an easy fix for me by just not eating raw meat. I want to go out and do things, am socialable, and do better with ladies, even though my sex drive is lower. But now going back to cooked paleo, my spine is starting to curve back in the wrong direction like before, my shoulders are raised again and not down and held back, and my lower body is losing strength. It's a catch 22 with raw meat for me for some reason. It does such wonderful things for my body, but sort of makes me a bum mentally.
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what kind of meat are you eating? sounds like you have hormonal problems, maybe get those tested
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Hey, you're supposed to be in the forest looking out for bears!! Hope you've had safe travels girly!
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Actually, I have a great deal of energy. That's been true for a long time, though. Ever since I got off grains and overly-cooked food, many years ago, I've had plenty of energy.
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What else is different between your cooked and raw diets, other than the cooking?
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What else is different between your cooked and raw diets, other than the cooking?
^I've already explained it.
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Well, it's an easy fix for me by just not eating raw meat. I want to go out and do things, am socialable, and do better with ladies, even though my sex drive is lower. But now going back to cooked paleo, my spine is starting to curve back in the wrong direction like before, my shoulders are raised again and not down and held back, and my lower body is losing strength. It's a catch 22 with raw meat for me for some reason. It does such wonderful things for my body, but sort of makes me a bum mentally.
Do naked suntanning and cold baths / icebaths, as much as you can!!! - it will boost your testosteron big time.
Eat more seafood. Shellfish (oysters!!!), wildcaught fish.. as much as you can. Eat ALL. Skin, liver, heads all.
Go to sleep early. Avoid artificial lights / computer / TV late night.
You will be amazed at how different you will feel. :-)
(I do all this myself and can hardly save me from men... UH.. I love my libido these days.. funny thing I am still single because hard to find soulmates these days. Most men seems very deficient in testosteron. Not appealing to me at all -[)
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Eat more seafood. Shellfish (oysters!!!), wildcaught fish.. as much as you can. Eat ALL. Skin, liver, heads all.
do you think we should eat them even if it taste bad?
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do you think we should eat them even if it taste bad?
I regularly force myself to eat calf liver for the power house of nutrients. Same with highh meat. They taste horrible but the benefits are worth it.
If you're a newbie you might want to stick to the more appealing muscle meats though.
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do you think we should eat them even if it taste bad?
Yes Nicolas, I do.
I do not care a s**t anymore what something tastes like, since I figured out taste is habits and what we are used to. Just take a look at different cultures and what they eat. It tells all. I eat what I know is good for me, if needed, I hold my nose/breath. I do that when choking down my raw mackerel-head-smoothies. Tastes terrible to me, who cares? They makes me feel just great! I did it when eating raw elk lungs too in the beginning but now I do not mind the taste anymore. High meat tastes OK to me, no need to hold breath then. Taste changes. Raw liver might taste awful first time, but all of a sudden you will love it. To not loose the enjoyment of life, that I appreciate very much, I always give myself something delicious after stuff like mackerel-head-smoothies. Something healthy and delicious that I enjoy. Because I enjoy so much of my food very much, I do not mind eating yucky stuff now and then.
For me the feeling I get from my food is much more worth than taste after all.
I just came back from a week long visit by my brothers house in Sweden and food was suboptimal. Delicious yes, but optimal not. I cannot tell how much I missed my regular food and habits! So happy to be home now and having the abilities to do and eat what I appreciate so much!
(a side note... my parents, 3 brothers and my brothers wife all have tried the raw mackerel-head-smoothie because I told them it is sooo great for the brain.. and that without even holding their breath!!! And they eat normal food! Imagine.. they thought it was not that bad at all.. Daddy said, he wants one every day.. haha...)
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Hi Inger, any chance of a recipe for your raw mackerel-head-smoothie. Would love to try it. :P
Yes Nicolas, I do.
I do not care a s**t anymore what something tastes like, since I figured out taste is habits and what we are used to. Just take a look at different cultures and what they eat. It tells all. I eat what I know is good for me, if needed, I hold my nose/breath. I do that when choking down my raw mackerel-head-smoothies. Tastes terrible to me, who cares? They makes me feel just great! I did it when eating raw elk lungs too in the beginning but now I do not mind the taste anymore. High meat tastes OK to me, no need to hold breath then. Taste changes. Raw liver might taste awful first time, but all of a sudden you will love it. To not loose the enjoyment of life, that I appreciate very much, I always give myself something delicious after stuff like mackerel-head-smoothies. Something healthy and delicious that I enjoy. Because I enjoy so much of my food very much, I do not mind eating yucky stuff now and then.
For me the feeling I get from my food is much more worth than taste after all.
I just came back from a week long visit by my brothers house in Sweden and food was suboptimal. Delicious yes, but optimal not. I cannot tell how much I missed my regular food and habits! So happy to be home now and having the abilities to do and eat what I appreciate so much!
(a side note... my parents, 3 brothers and my brothers wife all have tried the raw mackerel-head-smoothie because I told them it is sooo great for the brain.. and that without even holding their breath!!! And they eat normal food! Imagine.. they thought it was not that bad at all.. Daddy said, he wants one every day.. haha...)
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(I do all this myself and can hardly save me from men... UH.. I love my libido these days.. funny thing I am still single because hard to find soulmates these days. Most men seems very deficient in testosteron. Not appealing to me at all -[)
You probably need someone very athletic.
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...funny thing I am still single because hard to find soulmates these days. Most men seems very deficient in testosteron. Not appealing to me at all -[)
I'm sad you live across the pond Inger. We're about the same age, I think we'd get along quite well!
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Hi Inger, any chance of a recipe for your raw mackerel-head-smoothie. Would love to try it. :P
Here. ;)
Take raw fresh mackerelheads, cut one head into maybe 6 pieces with skissors, directly into your blender / mixer. Add water to get nice consistence, that you can drink it. Mix until smooth. Enjoy. ;D
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Here. ;)
Take raw fresh mackerelheads, cut one head into maybe 6 pieces with skissors, directly into your blender / mixer. Add water to get nice consistence, that you can drink it. Mix until smooth. Enjoy. ;D
And here was me hoping there would be some magic ingredient to take the 'edge' off :) Cheers Inger. Will try it out soon.........
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And here was me hoping there would be some magic ingredient to take the 'edge' off :) Cheers Inger. Will try it out soon.........
Nah.. Busgrw.. if you are wimpy like me, then just close your nose. Brave people need not to... ;)
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I'm sad you live across the pond Inger. We're about the same age, I think we'd get along quite well!
Yes, sad indeed. I met a man on the cruise yesterday in the bar and we talked and I told him about my mackerel-smoothies and other stuff.. and he wanted me to be his wife. :o He thought I would be a perfect mom for his kids.. (he was divorced) Unbelievable. I would rather think men would run away when hearing about my strange habits. Uh. He was hard to get rid of really. When I finally did, there was another young man on my side.. maybe 20 yo or so.. I guess I better stay away from bars. But there was such a nice live music I wanted to enjoy.
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You probably need someone very athletic.
GS.. I guess high testosterone makes men like that, without doing too much exercise...
I do not like bodybuilders at all though. But yes a manly shape is sexy for sure. Today I see breast on men... preggy-look.. not good.. :( my own dad has this too. Tells alot about whats up with the hormones..
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Thank you for your advice Inger, I’m going to try what you said. Maybe that’s a good way for me to get used to the taste of fish, as I never liked it.
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Here. ;)
Take raw fresh mackerelheads, cut one head into maybe 6 pieces with skissors, directly into your blender / mixer. Add water to get nice consistence, that you can drink it. Mix until smooth. Enjoy. ;D
Interesting. I will try this too.
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Inger, could you substitute sardines for mackerel? I can get fresh sardines. How in the world did you ever come up with this concoction?
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i agree with what inger says, about men lacking testosterone, is like you can sense it! it may have to do with how much pollution is in our world and food systems. that is why i suggested that perhaps charlie has a hormonal problem. he has a high sex drive, which someone already explained is actually common to men who are ill, but is gaining weight/muscle in a more female pattern....sounds like the endocrine system
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Inger, could you substitute sardines for mackerel? I can get fresh sardines. How in the world did you ever come up with this concoction?
Yes, of course! Every fish from clean waters will do! That is soft enough to mix into drinkable smoothie! You can use the whole fish BTW. I use the heads and liver and fishmilk and roe and heart if I can find it... not the intestines yet.. cause I am a pussy... :P but maybe soon. Fishliver is so good for us! All these are.. just.. WOW!
If I get this smoothie 1-2 times / week I am very happy! No need to eat it every day I guess because it is real powerfood. You can of course. Maybe you get superpowers then.. ;)
I came up with it all by my self, as I bought this expensive, beautiful Norwegian mackerel and did not wanted to throw anything away. First I thought about making broth from the heads and bones but as it is a fatty fish this will not turn out good (omega 3 gets rancid destroyed fast by heat). So I figured I will make a smoothie. It could only be healthy.
Sure there are parasites at times in mackerel. I has some yesterday, full of parasites. I put the heads in my freezer.. I could not drink them.. uh. I looked up on the parasites in internet and I am not really afraid anymore, it is just a little yucky. I know I have eaten parasite-infected fish before, not only once. And I am still here and well. So I guess everyone need to outweight the risks and benefits themselves. For one that is eating a SAD and not living well it might be dangerous. For one who live in tune with the nature it might be.. beneficial? Anyway, these parasites in mackerel cannot survive in humans, only a few weeks and they die eventually.
You can get stomach discomfort and such, sure. But I figure I am healthy enough to get some.. no discomfort so far. I do eat some wild herbs at times that are good against parasites. Ginger too, I eat it often raw on my fish. Can't hurt. Must make it uncomfortable for the little worms in me..
I know this is SO NOT mainstream. I am sorry. But sure I feel good. :)
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Yes, of course! Every fish from clean waters will do! That is soft enough to mix into drinkable smoothie! You can use the whole fish BTW. I use the heads and liver and fishmilk and roe and heart if I can find it... not the intestines yet.. cause I am a pussy... :P but maybe soon. Fishliver is so good for us! All these are.. just.. WOW!
If I get this smoothie 1-2 times / week I am very happy! No need to eat it every day I guess because it is real powerfood. You can of course. Maybe you get superpowers then.. ;)
I would never call you a pussy Inger. Not after the food that you ingest! Over in America we have this TV show called Fear Factor. Contestants are challenged to eat all kinds of weird stuff for 50K. I think you could handle your own! lol . I'll have to give your recipe a try. Thanks for your reply! I had a question for you. Are all Norwegian girl's as beautiful as you are? Because if they are, I'm putting Norway on my list of destinations! Thanks again Inger!
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Maybe you can import / invite Inger so she can claim 50k from that TV show.
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Wow! Inger, you go girl "raw mackerel-head-smoothi" :P! I don't mind to be a guest in ur house. You r truly beautiful.
To Charlie4444, I remember from another posts that u r on some type of drug. So there u go again. Once u have drug, it takes some times to get ur energy back. Honestly, I don't know any one who complain about the low energy after adopting on RPD
Also ur adrenal and thyroid glands are responsible. Please, try to buy doctor Ron's thyroid and adrenal powder. If you have access of raw arenals and thyroids, that would be even better catch. Also people who suffers mental problems, they usually love more to have sex. But physically usually they are the weaker one. It seems like ur body is recovering on RPD. You just need to add some good glands, raw fats and probiotics like high meat and VSL#3 enemas. Then getback to this same post and let us know all about that. Best of luck
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I think pornography has something to do with it.
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I think pornography has something to do with it.
Whoa. That's new. How much porn and how much ejaculates in a day and in a week and in a month?
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Whoa. That's new. How much porn and how much ejaculates in a day and in a week and in a month?
Well, why do you ask?
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I think pornography has something to do with it.
Whoa. That's new. How much porn and how much ejaculates in a day and in a week and in a month?
Why do I ask? You brought it up... you think porn has something to do with your tiredness.
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Whoa. That's new. How much porn and how much ejaculates in a day and in a week and in a month?
Why do I ask? You brought it up... you think porn has something to do with your tiredness.
technically, I never said that. but do you know anything about masturbation and adrenal fatigue besides google searches, any experiences?
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When I was a teenager until 21 we called masturbation the universal solution.
to wake you up, and to get you to sleep.
At that age, you could probably do it 3x a day or at least every day.
But it gets less so as you get older.
At almost 43 I may like sex 1x to 2x a week.
I know my friend healer thinks he is being excessive at 4x a week of sex and he is 51.
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Sex has a healing effect and when people get very ill especially mentally, they have more sex drive and they are also unable to have sex. That creates a real problem. Charlie44, u r not exception. Especially taking some poisonous drugs, impair u temporarily. But wisely u have chosen RPD and proper balance of RPD for days, months or even years, u will get back that force again.
At this moment artificially u can boost ur enery by taking supplements, if u feel completely energyless. B12 shots therapy will be extremely helpful for u. RPD is the only real solution, but to handle extreme crisis , for temporarily u can try this and side by side RPD. Also niacin therapy will help u a lot I think.
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The drug that Charlie said started his problems was Ritalin and he is still using. It is still unclear to me if he has or is still taking other drugs.
This is not a raw paleo issue. You can't keep on taking the drug that started your problems and expect the problems to stop.
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The drug that Charlie said started his problems was Ritalin and he is still using. It is still unclear to me if he has or is still taking other drugs.
This is not a raw paleo issue. You can't keep on taking the drug that started your problems and expect the problems to stop.
^I have taken ritalin like 8 times in 3 years! You think it's the problem!!!
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Charlie - you said that your problems started after you started the Ritalin. You are the one that said it yourself. It's a powerful drug that effects your BRAIN and causes EXACTLY the symptoms that you are complaining of!
Some people can have extreme reactions to chemicals and drugs and have troubles detoxing them out of the body. Not only are you not actively trying to detox that drug from your system, but you are continuing to dose yourself with it.
You told me that it was more than 8 times - but it doesn't matter how many times you've taken the drug when you know that your problems started with the beginning of taking it!
That drug might have and might still be messing with your brain chemistry which then can make your brain react strangely to basic good foods.
You can't determine anything about the raw paleo diet unless you do it alone - without the other chemical experiments you are doing on yourself.
This is a raw paleo forum Charlie - I don't want people that are not taking pharmaceuticals or recreational drugs to think that they might suffer from raw paleo or might not find relief for their mental/emotional issues doing the diet in it's entirety - on it's own. That's the reason why I'm talking about this in public. Your issues are not ones that really have much to do with the raw paleo diet.
I truly wish you all the best. I hope that what I'm saying makes an impact and that you are willing to stop taking Ritalin and try the suggestions already made on how to help detox it from your body/brain and in particular to open up the blood flow to your brain to help you cleanse and heal.
But please - stop blaming raw meat for your problems on a forum filled with people that have nothing but wonderful experiences with it. Other people with emotional problems that could be helped with the raw paleo diet might be reading your posts.
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That drug might have and might still be messing with your brain chemistry which then can make your brain react strangely to basic good foods.
the half-life of this drug seems to be 4 hours, so I can't imagine it is still working if he took it long time ago.
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Pot leaves me fatigued far and beyond the 2 or so hours of psychoactivity, so the half life life not a good indicator of a chemical's over all physical effects. Also this has been true with me for other drugs like coke, valium, hydrocodone, etc, all with varying half lives.
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This link about fasting to cure mental illness could be useful
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1974/pdf/1974-v03n04-p301.pdf (http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1974/pdf/1974-v03n04-p301.pdf)
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The half-life does not really mean much. Some drugs can change the biochemistry of the brain and it can take a good long while for the body to bring it back into chemical balance afterward - if it ever does. The body also has ways of isolating certain elements in order to try to protect itself which later can be released.
There are people that have done LSD for instance that can go through trips even decades later from a single dose.
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But please - stop blaming raw meat for your problems on a forum filled with people that have nothing but wonderful experiences with it. Other people with emotional problems that could be helped with the raw paleo diet might be reading your posts.
Hallelujah! Thank you Dorothy! Charlie, you getting this Bro? I'll put it simply for you. If you don't want to eat raw meats/foods than why are you posting in this forum? We don't get paid enough to listen to your BS here, night in and night out! Get with the program, and take some responsibility for once in your life. How do you expect this forum to cure you, when you don't even follow the RPD anymore? That's if you even tried it in the first place. If you have issues with this diet, stop wasting your time, and ours, and please move on to something that better works for you! Nobody can help you here, if you don't help yourself. Do you just want self pity, or for people to feel sorry for poor little Charlie? Because life is unfair to you? Come on bud, get with the program. You have all these great, intelligent, and knowledgeable people trying to help you, and your just pissing it away! The more you post, the more convinced I am that you are a TROLL! Think about that for a second! You don't sound like someone who wants to be helped! Nobody is going to fix you, you have to fix YOURSELF!
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Chris... that was pretty harsh... can you still edit your post or delete it? I feel it's not giving Charlie the support he needs right now.
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Chris, Charlie has a mental issue, likely can't control himself and while it's probably futile to try and help him with our conventional advice it won't do us any great harm to try. After we've exhausted our ideas, if they've proven unhelpful, charlie will disappear when he doesn't get any more attention. I dated a girl that had all his same attributes when I was in high school. Tried to help her with every good piece of advice and example I could to no avail. She's currently in electroshock therapy and has lost custody of her child because she has a genuine mental illness. Even though she seems like she's in control of her self, she's not, wish I knew how to help these types but I don't. You being condescending with him is like insulting someone with down syndrome, it's just in super poor taste. I'm drop dead serious, dude probably can't help it. His body would probably fix itself if he could drop all drug use and stay with raw animal and plant foods only, but the chances of that are pretty slim. Also you're on the fast track to alienating people around here. Loosen up and live and let live. This forum belongs to the mods and they're ok with cooked stuff so long as you keep it in hot topics and don't pretend that eating cooked foods is a healthy thing to do, most of us know it is not, or recognize that there is a transition stage, no matter how long it takes. Just chillax a bit and try to focus on the good stuff, then you won't attract so much negativity. When eve recommended you avoid posts that don't resonate with you, you claimed you were already there, but the evidence is to the contrary.
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Hi Chris. I think that both you and I are trying to make the point that Charlie has not and is not really giving raw paleo a chance.
This is now the third thread that I have counted that Charlie has started to blame raw meat for his problems. There might be more that I missed. He has said that he can't eat raw muscle meats without his symptoms getting worse but that raw organs and high meat and raw produce are good, yet he is now back to eating junk food.
Charlie could easily create a truly raw paleo diet that would support him without any raw muscle meat. I rarely eat red muscle meat myself and I still consider my diet to be paleo. Everyone's needs within raw paleo are going to be different depending on not only their dna, past medical history and past diet - but also their lifestyle! If you take drugs, it might affect how certain foods affect you.
I feel a need out of compassion for people with the kinds of problems that Charlie is suffering from to make it crystal clear to anyone else that might be suffering that we have been through this for awhile with Charlie. He has been given some great advice on diet and alternative therapies as well as how Ritalin does cause the symptoms he is suffering from and that it is highly addictive. He does not seem to want to stop taking the drug(s) or to give the suggestion on how to eat raw paleo within the parameters of his sensitivities or any alternative therapies a try.
I feel like I need to be blunt (maybe not quite as blunt as Chris ;) ) and say for the sake of others that might be helped that it is my impression that Charlie is looking to use raw meat as his scapegoat so that he can keep on with his addictions to drugs and junk food. Believe me - I understand it! This raw paleo diet aint exactly easy. I think about how hard it was for me to break the addiction of just sugar and coffee and then think about what it would be like to have to come off of things much more powerfully addicting and Charlie is suffering from clinical depression to boot which makes giving up stimulants extremely difficult. It is true that Charlie might have little control at this point. That's why I suggested to Charlie earlier to try to find some in-person support in giving up his addictions. Family members - support groups - put himself into a detox center - that kind of thing.
Charlie, if there is any way you can, please give up all the drugs and anything at all that can strongly affect your mind and is not considered a raw paleo food source.
Please give eating raw organs, high meat, fruits and vegetables exclusively along with the suggestions on how to detox a fair trial.
Every new thread that Charlie makes saying that raw paleo is creating his problems I am going to simply post that it is not the case. I really feel for Charlie. It's just that I also care for others that might get the wrong impression from these threads he starts.
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My personal experience has been that eating sugar and grains makes me retarded in so many mental and physical ways that this modern eating behavior switches me over to another despicable personality. The hardest thing to understand is why I chose to go there so often, but I guess its just another addiction - escape by self induced lobotomy . In my case a simple RAVF diet has easily and quickly reversed these tendencies and revealed flickers of hope and clarity, a future worth living for.
I assume therefore that my own mental issues have been symptoms of diet related metabolic dis-ease.
However we also have to recognise that it is possible for Charlie's root cause not to be diet and that there may not be a cure to be found on this site? Didn't someone mention on this site that when the facility they worked at fed the patients high starch food they became semi-sedated and were much calmer and easier to handle?
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My bones are stronger.
I can wake up. I was practically comatose for a while before RAFs.
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Dear Rawzi, ur each and every posts are power house of knowledge. Glad to see u on RPD again
I hope Charlee is doing great. He really needs our help and that would be the best, if we had some type of RPD clinic.
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Chris... that was pretty harsh. I feel it's not giving Charlie the support he needs right now.
Harsh? Try the truth. That's the problem with certain people/members on this site. They can't handle the TRUTH. How long are you going to go on with Charlie? He makes this stupid post, than disappears. He doesn't even have a normal dialog with people who respond to his posts. If he really is mentally ill, you can't help him. Period! If he's not, he's a troll! If you want to play his game, go right ahead. This post is on a public forum, so i have every right to voice my opinion. I suggest you take your concerns and advice privately. PM him! Or is that too much trouble?
He's not Raw Paleo anymore. I doubt he ever was to be honest. If he really wanted your help, he would be working with the forum and it's members. He's not. He doesn't even want to help himself out, so what makes you so sure you can help him out? You can't make him do something he won't or doesn't want to do. How well do you really know Charlie?
Hey, if you don't like my opinion on the matter/subject. Fine. Just ignore it! Believe me I won't loose any sleep over it. I'm stating my opinion on a public post/forum. I have my own opinions and views. I'm not a robot people. I'm not here to cater to, or stroke peoples egos on this site. I tell it how it is. I guess some of you just can't handle an honest opinion? When you make a post, be prepared for different viewpoints.
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An interesting dynamic of any forum is that the responses to the original poster's topic answer thousands of similar unasked questions. With that in mind, it is not necessary for the original poster to follow or benefit from the advice.
In each specific case, criticism of the original poster does not advance the advice that another sufferer may need. It helps to ask yourself some questions before posting a reply:
Is my response kind?
Do I have relevant experience or useful advice for the OP?
Would my experience and advice be useful to someone reading this thread in the future?
Sarcasm conveys contempt. Sarcasm might make someone else feel badly, but the damage it does to its author is the deepest cut. Remember the old saying, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."
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Harsh? Try the truth. That's the problem with certain people/members on this site. They can't handle the TRUTH. How long are you going to go on with Charlie? He makes this stupid post, than disappears. He doesn't even have a normal dialog with people who respond to his posts. If he really is mentally ill, you can't help him. Period! If he's not, he's a troll! If you want to play his game, go right ahead. This post is on a public forum, so i have every right to voice my opinion. I suggest you take your concerns and advice privately. PM him! Or is that too much trouble?
He's not Raw Paleo anymore. I doubt he ever was to be honest. If he really wanted your help, he would be working with the forum and it's members. He's not. He doesn't even want to help himself out, so what makes you so sure you can help him out? You can't make him do something he won't or doesn't want to do. How well do you really know Charlie?
Hey, if you don't like my opinion on the matter/subject. Fine. Just ignore it! Believe me I won't loose any sleep over it. I'm stating my opinion on a public post/forum. I have my own opinions and views. I'm not a robot people. I'm not here to cater to, or stroke peoples egos on this site. I tell it how it is. I guess some of you just can't handle an honest opinion? When you make a post, be prepared for different viewpoints.
I completely agree with everything you've said. As far as I know, there has not been a post by the OP asking for any kind of help. It seems everyone is just assuming things, and the OP is just being vague.
I honestly have absolutely no sympathy for him.
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So it seems that most people don't associate tiredness, and mental apathy to eating lots of raw meat. I wasn't sure, that's why I created posted this question.
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No Charlie, most do not. That is a particular issue for you. Even if a couple of others did here or there it would certainly not be the general experience. Most people feel much better in general, all around.
From reading all that you have read over time in other threads as well I would suspect it is primarily because of the Ritalin as you yourself stated that the tiredness and social inabilities started after taking it and your symptoms correlate perfectly with what the drug does to people.
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So it seems that most people don't associate tiredness, and mental apathy to eating lots of raw meat. I wasn't sure, that's why I created posted this question.
Going very low-carb definitely creates some tiredness/sluggishness for a while. That usually passes after a while, though, depending on the person.
I'm not really sure that's what you are experiencing though.
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Going very low-carb definitely creates some tiredness/sluggishness for a while. That usually passes after a while, though, depending on the person.
I'm not really sure that's what you are experiencing though.
Can you explain exactly why that is? Does it have something to do with glucose?
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I would explore the Very Low Carb angle... the adjustment phase.
It's quite common if you are getting into this VLC.
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Can you explain exactly why that is? Does it have something to do with glucose?
Yes, it takes a few weeks for most people to start burning fat efficiently. Until then, they are sluggish.
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The thing with Charlie is that he had the symptoms before getting into raw paleo, hoping that it would help him. It's not only sluggishness that he talks about. He says it makes him anti-social and affects his clinical depression adversely. He has said in other places that eating raw meat makes his symptoms worse - not that it caused them to begin with. He said his symptoms began after taking Ritalin. He also says that organs and high meat do not have the same effect.
This new thread by Charlie imho is just another way of trying to blame raw paleo for something else that he doesn't want to admit to or deal with directly. It's easier if he can blame raw paleo because it's easier to give up on raw paleo than to stop taking Ritalin and other mind altering substances and to do a full detox.
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Dear Rawzi, ur each and every posts are power house of knowledge. Glad to see u on RPD again
Thank you, raw. I got a bad piece of heart, nutrient deficient or something. It got me wondering if eating meat was worth it. I tried fruit three weeks. I tolerated bananas rather well stomach-wise, head etc. I gained unneeded weight and I started to wrinkle etc. I need to be healthy, and I find that easier here.
I still like some things about veg-heads who do it for the animals. I'm collecting farm animal pets.. and I'm not sure how well that will go over here.
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Thank you, raw. I got a bad piece of heart, nutrient deficient or something. It got me wondering if eating meat was worth it. I tried fruit three weeks. I tolerated bananas rather well stomach-wise, head etc. I gained unneeded weight and I started to wrinkle etc. I need to be healthy, and I find that easier here.
I still like some things about veg-heads who do it for the animals. I'm collecting farm animal pets.. and I'm not sure how well that will go over here.
I will always defend your right to love the furry creatures. I go months and months without eating meat, simply having fish and shellfish for my animal foods. It works great.
I mainly see land animal meat as useful for correcting serious deficiencies, and mainly the organ meats as being the useful parts.
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:) Thanks, Cherimoya!
I had a bad experience. A "friend" apparently ate my pets before (chickens/rabbits), like twenty years ago during my veg decades. I liked them (the animals). He was not a Rawist person though. I guess I have nothing to be concerned of now. We're definitely different.
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I go months and months without eating meat, simply having fish and shellfish for my animal foods.
How is the muscle meat of fish and shellfish not 'meat'?
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Hi Charlie,
You probably didn't expect to hear from me, following my last post. I'm not going to tell you what to do or how to do it. I'm not as well schooled as some of the others regarding curing/over coming your symptoms/concerns. I'm not here to preach to you either! I'm sorry if I seemed a little too abrasive in my posts to you recently. I guess I just don't fully understand your thought process. But, that's OK. So I apologize if I came across as telling you what to do. I understand your on your own path to discovery, and you have to go at your own pace. I know there are a lot of knowledgeable people you can draw upon in this forum if you choose. I'm sure you already know, there are a lot of people who are willing to take the time and help you out. If you decide to take that route, I know you would be well supported with ideas/suggestions.
I know you said the RPD makes you aggressive when you were on it. Not to argue with you, but most people (in this forum) on the RPD have the opposite effect. I think most people are curious/concerned to your exact path/diet, as to why you are getting those negative results. I hope you decide to give the RPD another chance when your ready too. I actually started cold turkey, and I went through some growing pains as well. There is a transition period when your body goes from running on glucose to ketones as its main energy source. I don't recall if your transition was like mine, or you transitioned at a slower pace? Here are some of my experiences when i started on the RPD. I felt tired, had little energy at times (drained), had sugar cravings, and became constipated on top of that. It was all part of the detox and change your body makes, when your body shifts from glucose to ketones. It's a tough transition, I won't lie to you. But, it's all worth it if you are disciplined and stick to it. But, each and every individual is different. I'm not saying you need to choose my path. Because as you know, all of us in this forum our on our own very unique paths to full fill our nutrition and health requirements. You just have to pick the path that works for you and your body. But, let me also state that I believe in the RPD more than any other diet I have ever been on. You have to believe in it, in order for it to work for you. That's the Secret! When your ready, I encourage you to give it another shot.
I like that you have reached out, and extended yourself to the forum with your struggles. Because that's the only way you can get the true answers to all your questions. I applaud you for that. It takes a lot of courage and fortitude to do that in a public forum. The majority of people here are not here to judge you (myself included). There seems to be a lot of members that care about you and your well being, and want to see you get the help and support that you need/desire. Only you can make that decision for yourself, and I hope you won't feel like anyone's telling you what to do. Look at it as suggestions. Your going to get a lot of them if you open yourself up. It's up to you to decide what's right and best for you. Remember, you have control on what advise you follow, and how you want to implement it. It's always up to you to decide for yourself.
I'm not posting this to persuade you one way or another. I just hope you look at the situation with an open mind, gather up as much info as you possibly can find/get, than make an informed decision in the best interest for yourself. Once you start to fix/work on yourself, everything else will fall into place with your life. If you push it when your not ready, you will only frustrate yourself. Which causes anger and resentment (IMO). The ball is in your court charlie, it always has been. Make what you want out of this post, messages in the forum, or suggestions from other people. Take advantage of all the wealth of information/knowledge that is out there. I know you desire to get/be better. The hardest part is always reaching out. I hope you find the answers and solutions your looking for. Good Luck in what ever direction, decision, or path you decide to take!
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How is the muscle meat of fish and shellfish not 'meat'?
I just find that most Americans call the flesh of air-breathing animals 'meat', and the flesh of non-air-breathing animals 'fish'.
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It happened again. I had a little raw meat after eating a cooked paleo diet and my brain shut off again. All the work, friends, girls, projects, ideas, I needed to think about today, all failed because raw meat for some reason zones me out! I find it hard to believe that so little people know what I'm talking about.
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It happened again. I had a little raw meat after eating a cooked paleo diet and my brain shut off again. All the work, friends, girls, projects, ideas, I needed to think about today, all failed because raw meat for some reason zones me out! I find it hard to believe that so little people know what I'm talking about.
Have you ever tried just eating a hunk of raw animal fat instead, like suet, backfat, or a large piece of brisket fat? Do you know if that would have the same effect? I'm curious.