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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 04, 2009, 12:52:01 am »
Quote from: RawZi on December 04, 2009, 12:22:11 am
   I think you had mentioned it's US Wellness.  I must have forgotten.  Even so, with the best of ground meats that aajonus would buy himself in best case scenario and ate it only an hour later, I won't even try it a second time.  Maybe mine was too high in fat for me too.  If I ever grind my meat, I prefer to grind it within only a few short minutes of when I eat it.  I have never ground meat if the meat had been wrapped in any kind of celophane.  It might be fine, but something unconscious in side me I don't think thinks that.

    The lying in bed is not because you are impaired from working.  I took dahn energy classes.  When I was not able to do anything I called them and told them so.  They told me to stay in bed 24 hr straight bundled up warm to GET BETTER.  I did so, and it worked.  Sometimes a total rest is what's o tn order to heal.  Animals do it.  We probably would in paleo times too, we just had to find some out of the way nook.

    Do you think you should go to a healthcare practitioner, doctor or some other outside help to see you in person?

    Get well soon.

Thanks for your support! I don't really feel super ill actually, at least not in the normal sense of a flu or bug, I am just tired and dazed and super anxious from lack of good digestion. I feel confident that if I can get rid of this over acidity I can really start to heal and take major strides. Any health practitioner is just going to give me useless herbs or worse yet, drugs, when I need to fix the internal problem going on. I think if I just have smaller meals spaced out more, and I drink a little less in green juices, and use the clay on monday, I'll be able to recover 100%.

What I want to know if someone could help is, what is the underlying reason this is happening? Is it bacteria proliferation taking out the junk? Is this some form of detoxing going on? I really want to get to the heart of the matter. I should clarify, it's overacidity that is the problem, I'm not having much reflux anymore.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 11:37:48 pm »
Quote from: RawZi on December 03, 2009, 11:29:02 pm
   Uh, you will likely have a good experience with bentonite.  Have you tried it before?  I have.  Most people into health say it's good.  I only tried one teaspoon once though, exactly in the manner recommended.  I got sicker than ever apparently as the result.  Bentonite is heated.  If it were me right now, I would wait for the terramin or find something else in the meantime.  Can't you take today off and just bundle up in a simple blanket for twenty-four hours? (close to the bathroom).  Have you tried charcoal or do you have some good organic earth (unheated)?  I know charcoal isn't raw, but it has helped me in extreme situations and is ancient and traditional.  

    Maybe you eating all your meats preground from the store is the problem.  I could never do that.  It gives me weird nightmares.

I get all my meat from US Wellness meats and North Star Bison. I don't think the meats are the problem, I think something else is causing this. I'll wait for the terramin then and hope to get better. The major thing is not only am I fatigued, but without being able to really digest my fats, my adrenals get no relief, so I am very anxious, feel disassociated and like I'm going to fall asleep or pass out. And no, I can't really take off of work, my job is not very understanding about stuff like this, and anyways I could very well feel the same tomorrow for all I know.

For the time being I'm just going to eat nothing but eggs and sip chamomile tea. If I feel better this afternoon I'll eat a little raw lamb. It's really frustrating how many setbacks I keep having, everytime I think I'm better I get setback exponentially it seems.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 10:46:58 pm »
Well I've reached another low. Feeling really tired and fatigued today. Stomach is not really inflammed, but the acid build up is still there and I have itchiness and rash in different parts of my body. I bought some bentonite clay to see if I can cleanse my colon out and I'm going to get some terramin clays which I know is superior to arrive by monday. I need to reverse this and quick because I can barely function right now, it takes all of my effort just to drive to work.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 06:59:20 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on December 03, 2009, 06:22:53 am
I got sores around my mouth big time in the days I consumed dairy. Get rid of the kefir. What other foods do you eat other than those mentioned?

I'm eating a lot of raw ground bison meat, raw ground lamb, and raw ground turkey along with some bison organs with a lot of avocado for the fats, especially with the bison. I eat a lot of ground meats to ease my digestion, eventually I will try slicing my own muscle meats. I tried raw chicken the other day and hated it. Lots of raw eggs as well.  For carbs I'm doing the PD style green juices with mostly celery, I know most people don't like them, but I have had a good reaction to them and I feel like my digestion is eased by having it in liquid form.

Basically, I'm not too dependent on dairy, I'd been using the kefir because I had it available. The only dairy I plan to keep using is unsalted butter and an occasional raw swiss cheese as I never have a problem with either of these and I enjoy how they make me feel. Liquid and cream form dairy doesn't seem to work for me at all, at least not in the current state of my gut. I've been overdoing the raw honey I think, but it has helped me clear my throat and mucus a bit.

The big problem now is my acid reflux, I'm going to stop the kefir and limit the honey to see what happens.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 05:48:23 am »
Quote from: RawZi on December 03, 2009, 05:30:55 am
    People here aren't too big on sweets.  Number one, your honey may not be unheated.  Number two, even so, it should only be used sparingly.  Then, kefir, may not be paleo, but I've never seen it raw in a store.  I tried store-bought kefir once, and although it was "fresh as can be" it stank to my nose.  I'm very sensitive to smells especially dairy.  Did you make the kefir?  And if so, what kind of "grains"? 

The honey is unheated but you are right I might be overdoing it. But for this to cause acid reflux seems a bit odd. The Kefir is super high quality from an amish farmer and tastes very good. Any recipes for acid reflux?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 03:19:19 am »
My PH level is more alkalized than usual, and I feel like I have some acid reflux. I think this might be from one of two things. Either eating too much raw honey or the small amount of raw kefir which I have (which I know many here shun). I'm going to try dropping them and see what happens.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 02:18:03 am »
I should also mention I've had crazy mouth and canker sores, all inside my mouth, and an increase in acne and zits. Also, I get some small mosquito bite size itchy bumps on my stomach. Are these signs of detox?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 01:28:49 am »
Quote from: RawZi on December 03, 2009, 01:26:46 am
    Were you practicing omnivore diet or vegetarian diet before?  Were you getting bloating or inflammation before you changed diets?

Omnivore, Weston a price type diet. I had horrible inflammation.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 12:55:45 am »
Quote from: RawZi on December 03, 2009, 12:54:23 am
    I wish I could help you here.  I have no first hand experience wit rat meats.  Do you mean raw meats?  I heard rat meat can be useful in healing, but I don't know anyone who ate rat raw or even ate meat from any regular size rat.

 ;D Sorry for the typo. Yeah I mean raw meats, I'm not at the stage to eat rat yet.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 03, 2009, 12:43:47 am »
Hey Guys,

I want to know if the following symptoms are common for a detox. I've been having itchiness and darkened vision, general fatigue, and stools have often been a bit pale or slightly green but diarrhea has not been constant. My anxiety right now has been through the roof and only subsides a bit after eating raw meats (before it was the opposite), but I also get heavy gas or a heartburn feeling (but no bloating or inflamation) after my meals. If anyone can shed some light on this I'd appreciate it. I know I still have a long way to go as I've only been raw for 8 days, but any encouragement or insight would be very helpful.

I should also add I have two contaminants in my body. Two mercury amalgam fillings left in my mouth to remove and I am also slowly tapering off of the white poison Lexapro an SSRI which I've been on for 4 years.
I probably also have chlorine toxicity from 4 years of high school swimming.

Thanks

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Health / Re: Lower Blood Pressure?
« on: November 27, 2009, 01:23:25 pm »
Thanks Phil,

By no means do I think a systolic of 115 is too low of a drop, but at the same time it has come on very abruptly and it is the quick change that has me a bit surprised. Although it makes sense, all the energy expended on digestion is now no longer needed. Also my diastolic remains exactly the same so this would indicate it is not a systemic pressure drop, at least from what I gather.

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Health / Lower Blood Pressure?
« on: November 27, 2009, 12:23:14 pm »
Hi guys,
I'm now on my fifth day of all raw and my blood pressure has dropped 10 points from 125-65 to 115-65. Is this normal? I'm guessing this is from less work involved in digestion?

Also, is there any risk of bacterial infection in the blood leading to sepsis from eating raw meat? My guess is this is anatomically impossible.

Sorry if my questions seem really basic but the changes have come quickly and I've not adapted that well yet.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: November 23, 2009, 10:05:53 pm »
So yesterday I had raw eggs for the first time and loved them. I also had some vegetable juice with mostly cabbage to help heal my gut. I had virtually no reaction to either one and my gut has been quiet for the first time in many many weeks. For dinner I had some raw ground bison with some raw honey and I felt relaxed and calm a couple hours afterwards. My approach is going to be to follow sort of a healing regimen as designed by AV (no dairy though of course) and when I'm better I can tinker my diet and explore more RPD configurations. The only negative is my detox process has caused my anxiety and disassociation to go through the roof as my body prepares to eliminate all the waste. Hopefully today I can go to the bathroom a couple of times at least and get rid of all the waste. My stools right now have been very pale in color which I guess indicates a lack of bile output? Anyways I'll keep this updated.

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Primal Diet / Re: Severe digestion problem and diarrhea
« on: November 21, 2009, 04:34:34 am »
Fair enough,

I just wanted to know what this person did wrong and try to avoid it. I'm definitely not going to eat any  high meats any time in the near future, probably not even a couple years into this diet if I'm being honest. And the thought of eating fermented chicken grosses me out. Red meat is a different story though.

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Primal Diet / Re: Severe digestion problem and diarrhea
« on: November 20, 2009, 11:53:34 pm »
So what happened here? This person's account doesn't exactly fill me with a lot of confidence as I look to start a raw meat diet, not that I'm even considering eating high meat anyways.

Anybody else have similar problems when first starting out? I'm hoping to cure digestion, not worsen it.  -\

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General Discussion / Re: Iconic raw meat eating scenes in the movies/TV
« on: November 20, 2009, 09:37:01 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on May 13, 2009, 09:53:46 pm
In star trek deep space 9, the klingons are shown to eat and even prefer raw food that's live and wriggling (such as "gakh") etc. I think the implication is that raw meat-eating encourages aggression and bravery in a species.

In the tv series, "Supernatural", there's an episode in the 4th season, "metamorphosis", where a human becomes a type of monster(a "Rougarou") after eating raw human flesh.

DS9 is truly the best sci fi series I've ever seen.

In any case, I can't believe no one's posted Dances with Wolves yet, the scene with Wind in his hair and John Dunbar eating the bison they've just killed raw.


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Health / Food Sensitivities
« on: November 19, 2009, 04:51:39 am »
I'm wondering if any of you have any problems with food sensitivities and how you work around this. In my case I took the LEAP MRT food sensitivity test which screens for 120 different foods and chemicals http://www.forresthealth.com/store/LEAP-MRT-Food-Allergy-Test.html.

My results came back that I was Highly sensitive to watermelon, all foods with capsaicin, and tuna, and moderately to beef, pork, eggs, and crab.

I'd really like to know what your thoughts are on food sensitivities when the raw factor is taken into account? Do you think I will tolerate these foods much better eaten raw or is the food sensitivity still going to take hold? Today for example I made the mistake of cooking an egg for breakfast and the outcome was pretty much hell. I felt extremely weak, bloated, anxious and disorientated.

I also know that my inflamed, leaky gut is likely making the tolerance to these foods much less than what it could be, but I still think there are certain foods that I would be sensitive to if my gut was fine.

Any thoughts?

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Hot Topics / In vitro meat - what hell awaits.
« on: November 18, 2009, 11:03:29 am »
This article literally made my blood boil. Not just the article itself, but the response it's getting, the fact that people still think, after a century of degeneration largely thanks to food laboratories, that you can still discover health in a laboratory. Horrendous:

http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/bio/eight-ways-vitro-meat-will-change-our-lives

Incidentally, isn't the whole cow's producing excess methane pollution just a farcical claim misleadingly based on the fact they're fed grains? Doesn't a grass fed cow not release toxic gases?

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Ultimate Martial Arts
« on: November 18, 2009, 03:08:06 am »
From what I've learned and experienced, there is nothing quite as effective for self defense as learning a kickboxing style coupled with an effective grappling technique. I'm looking to start training in both although at the moment I only box.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / MovNat
« on: November 18, 2009, 03:06:34 am »
Hey guys,

Just wanted to share this fantastic wildlife based fitness movement I recently discovered called MovNat (short of Movement Naturelle) that was refined by Erwan Lecorre off of the Method Naturelle philosophy of Georges Hebert in the early 1900s. The guy does some incredible stuff and you can see some of his methods and videos on his site: http://movnat.com/. He's also close friends with the author of Born to Run, Christopher McDougall and he himself follows at least a Paleo diet (not sure if he eats raw). He also has monthly seminars all over the United States and often times in Itacare, Brazil (paradise). Once I get my health in better order I am definitely going to be attending some of his seminars.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: November 18, 2009, 02:03:05 am »
Quote from: djr_81 on November 17, 2009, 12:19:17 pm
Your body uses different enzymes to break down the carbs versus the meat & fat. If both are consumed in the same meal digestion is compromised for both. ;)

Welcome to the forum Spearhead.  :)
I think Van's really hit the basics right on the head.
So long as you eat quality raw meat and especially quality raw fat your body will heal. The other variables of quantities, percentages, etc. will resolve themselves in time. Each body is different so we can all share our experiences to help guide you but the ultimate advice is to listen closely to your body.

Hi djr,

Do you mind telling me how you work out your carbs and proteins throughout the day then? Do you eat only carbs for lunch and then proteins at dinner? Or do you just have multiple meals throughout the day?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: November 17, 2009, 07:45:12 am »
Why should I avoid eating carbs with meat? Is this due to ph levels in the stomach?

Also Michael, as to the lab test. I am getting pretty much the most in depth lab test that exists, but I agree that it's not by any means guaranteed to pinpoint anything. Here's a list of everything it tests for: http://www.forresthealth.com/store/GI-Effects-Stool-Profile-Complete.html

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: November 17, 2009, 12:38:13 am »
Quote from: wodgina6722 on November 16, 2009, 03:47:14 pm
Do you feel your heavy anxiety is caused by your gut being inflamed or do you feel anxious because it's inflamed and that worries you?

Sound like a psychiatrist  :)



I've been suffering from horrible anxiety since 2004. However, while I used to get anxious all the time regardless of how my gut felt, since improving my diet to a nearly Paleo diet I'm only ever anxious when my gut is inflamed, which for the last month has been almost constant.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: November 17, 2009, 12:35:14 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on November 16, 2009, 06:19:10 pm
Considering that I had those exact same symptoms pre-rawpalaeodiet(plus numerous others), I have my doubts as to whether a parasite is involved(in my own case, the reason was due to a near-destruction of my glandular system resulting in adrenal burnout etc. etc.)

Another point, as raised in a recent article, is that parasites are usually only an issue for those who've been eating unhealthy, cooked diets:-

http://goingferal.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/parasites-those-who-inhabit-us/

In other words, even in the unlikelihood that you have parasites, it would be far better for you to eat rawpalaeo and strengthen your system than to get rid of them. By all means use anti-parasitical remedies like wormwood tincture, cayenne pepper and pumpkin seeds, but that's not the real issue.

Re metabolic typing:- Largely useless when applied to rawpalaeo as we don't eat raw grains or raw dairy and the like, generally.

ZC, however raw, can be an issue for some, though others appear to do fine with it. I would suggest caution and trying something a little less extreme, for the moment. With ZC, anyway, one usually has to plan so far ahead to avoid cheating(ie buying several weeks' of high0quality raw grassfed meats beforehand so as to never be caught short).

Tyler, thanks for your reply. My understanding was that only certain parasites can form a symbiotic relationship with us whereas others will always be harmful. What exactly causes the parasites to drain the host organism on a cooked meat diet while not doing so on a raw diet? Is it not that there are simply more nutrients to go around but the parasite continues to drain the host regardless?
Also, what is the real cause of food poisoning? Are there no cases of food poisoning caused by raw meat?

Re metabolic typing, although Walcott follows Sally Fallon's nutritional principles pretty closely, I was more referring to how carb, protein, and fat ratios are distributed along an either predominately high protein and fat/low carb, high carb, low fat and protein, or mixed type. The claim behind it seems to be that certain people do better with different ratios and require less of one group than the other. I don't see how excluding dairy and grains would necessarily exclude the idea 100%, although I'll admit following a metabolic type has not improved my digestion or energy at all but that is likely due to other underlying causes.

As to ZC, I don't think I would do well on such a diet, I think my goal is to go for an Omnivorous RPD supplementing my protein and fats with plenty of vegetable and fruit carbs.

In any case, I've thought a good place to start would be to start supplementing my cooked diet by eating some raw liver and see how I do, and if it gives me the benefits I'm looking for then I can build from there. Do you think this might be a good way to help me get some relief? Incidentally, the Chek practitioner I'm working with is not against eating raw meats but he has told me that since I have a compromised gut immunity I run risks given that there are going to be unknown microbes on my meat that may harm me. Personally I think this sounds a bit questionable, what's the RPD science to refute this type of argument?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: November 16, 2009, 10:43:59 am »
Quote from: goodsamaritan on November 16, 2009, 10:17:07 am
The solution will depend on what you have, but here are a few remedies that have worked for me and my family:

- Try drinking chamomile tea.  Also get some chamomile oil on your tummy externally.
- Try fully cooked meat whether pork or beef to sooth inflammation.
- Try fasting, orange juice fasting did wonders for me, 3 days.  
- Try Bieler's soup daily for 5 days.
- I know a bunch of anti-parasite remedies like internal zappers, external zappers, beam ray and herbal anti-parasite stuff

Of course once I got my tummy online after some inflammation due to non-paleo food I quickly got back on the raw track.


Thanks good samaritan.

I've actually been drinking lots of chamomile and this has helped a bit but by no means has it solved the problem completely. I guess I'm just curious as the RPD perspective on curing parasites or other intestinal infections as it would seem to me RPD has a lot of intrinsic healing properties, but maybe this can only happen once the gut is free of inflammation?
Anyways once I know for sure what it is I have it will make combating it much easier, unfortunately I can't take any anti parasitics until I collect my sample to avoid getting a false negative.

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