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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: Techydude on February 02, 2011, 02:21:40 pm

Title: Bowel Movements
Post by: Techydude on February 02, 2011, 02:21:40 pm

That's right! I've been considering switching from omnivorous raw paleo to carnivorous but i've been perplexed by a question due to my common sense making me think - if on a carnivorous diet no plant matter is eaten, that means no fiber, so how do you go to the bathroom  ???


Do you all still eliminate/have bowel movements, if so are they unpleasant or is it diarrhea? Do you have bad or bad smelling gas? Does anything essentially come out the other end easily or is there straining as fiber lessens the need apparently.


Just tell me if you all have had any problems.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on February 02, 2011, 03:47:11 pm

I don't want to offend anyone but there is already a thread on this issue...just use the "search" function from time to time.
My BM's are best on a carnivore diet. Fiber tends to constipate me.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Techydude on February 02, 2011, 03:49:57 pm

Quote from: rawcarni on February 02, 2011, 03:47:11 pm

I don't want to offend anyone but there is already a thread on this issue...just use the "search" function from time to time.
My BM's are best on a carnivore diet. Fiber tends to constipate me.

Sorry it's just that when I type in bowel movement, bowell, bathroom, or poop I get nothing. Could you direct me to the thread through link?

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: TylerDurden on February 02, 2011, 04:39:40 pm

Yes, one still gets bowel movements on RZC but they are much less frequent than on a raw omnivorous diet. Stools are smaller and there is much less farting/less smelly stools resulting therefrom.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: achillezzz on February 02, 2011, 10:30:49 pm

You simply do not need fiber you have muscles there ..

I can eat cooked paleo without fiber and have perfect poopie.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on February 03, 2011, 04:00:53 am

Quote from: achillezzz on February 02, 2011, 10:30:49 pm

You simply do not need fiber you have muscles there ..

I can eat cooked paleo without fiber and have perfect poopie.

Do you have "Perfect Poopie" on raw zero carb as well?

Digestion on raw zero carb never worked well in my case. Still don't know why. Somehow it works much better if all the fat can stick around a LITTLE fibrous matter...

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Ioanna on February 03, 2011, 07:46:50 am

i do not eat any fiber at all, except on rare occasion that i am experimenting.  i have a bowel movement once per day, and yes, it's perfect  :D

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: KD on February 03, 2011, 10:13:38 am

Quote from: Techydude on February 02, 2011, 03:49:57 pm

Sorry it's just that when I type in bowel movement, bowell, bathroom, or poop I get nothing.

try walking to the room with the shower and the little white seat

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: sabertooth on February 03, 2011, 11:25:52 am

This guy is informative in regards to the fiber fallacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz53dawDtJ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGg8ya_U7CQ&feature=related

The whole necessity of dietary fiber is just a fabrication, that is used to sell animal feed as dietary supplements. Dietary fiber especially from grains can be very irritating to the gut and is totally unessential, especially if one is on a raw carnivorous diet.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: PaleoPhil on February 03, 2011, 11:46:20 am

Quote from: Techydude on February 02, 2011, 03:49:57 pm

Sorry it's just that when I type in bowel movement, bowell, bathroom, or poop I get nothing. Could you direct me to the thread through link?

"bowel movement" brought up lots of threads for me, including three entitled "bowel movements" in just the 2nd page of results (http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/?action=search2;params=YWR2YW5jZWR8J3wwfCJ8YnJkfCd8MSwyLDMsMzIsNCw2LDcsMjYsMTAsMTEsMTQsMTMsMTIsMjUsMjMsMjQsMTUsMTgsMTcsMTYsMjgsMjl8InxzaG93X2NvbXBsZXRlfCd8fCJ8c3ViamVjdF9vbmx5fCd8fCJ8c29ydHwnfHJlbGV2YW5jZXwifHNvcnRfZGlyfCd8ZGVzY3wifHNlYXJjaHwnfGJvd2Vs;start=10).

"constipation" and "constipated" would probably also be good search terms.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: kurite on February 03, 2011, 11:59:28 am

This is my 2nd day of only meat because I wanted to try low carb for a little. So far no bm. Also no gas at all, so far Im liking it but I won't really know whats going on until I go into ketosis.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: achillezzz on February 03, 2011, 04:40:43 pm

raw eggs supposed to improve bowel movements

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Busgrw on February 03, 2011, 04:50:21 pm

Quote from: achillezzz on February 03, 2011, 04:40:43 pm

raw eggs supposed to improve bowel movements

I'd second this. When I'm on VLC or ZC all I need to do is have 3-4 raw egg yolks in the morning and i'm good to go  l)

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Bronwen on February 03, 2011, 08:21:46 pm

I don't do low or zero carb, but when I added meat to my diet I noticed I was a lot thirstier. So I guess you would have to keep yourself well-hydrated to prevent constipation.

Also, if you are battling, try squatting! Porcelain bowls are the worst invention for human bowel health ever (after the dietary fibre pills of course!). Squatting is how we were designed to empty the bowels. Squatting 'aligns' the rectum correctly, encourages the anus to open and appplies pressure to the colon (so less muscular effort required)....so you get an easier and more complete bowel movement.

How to squat if you don't have a hole in the ground or can't go outside? Balance on the toilet seat if you can, or get a large 'potty', place two bricks on either side of it for height, and flush contents when you're done. Gives you a chance to examine contents if you're into to seeing what comes out in comparison to what went in.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: CHK91 on February 04, 2011, 12:20:27 am

I've been eating low carb paleo. I have no problems with elimination but it happens much much less frequently. Probably they happen every 5 days or so.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: KD on February 04, 2011, 02:16:27 am

I go 1-3 times a day. Rarely do I skip a day ever anymore, although I had infrequent movements for sure when I started. Mine arn't particularly small and tend to be a wide diameter resembling what I assume is my inside tubes and such. Occasionally I'll go through what seems like entire periods of thin or messy movements and then it switches back. Generally some plant fibers I believe can be helpful like sauerkraut and cooked vegetables, but best bets are raw fats and eggs. Likely there needs to be changeover of bacteria which may take a long period of time, so odds are you want to do what you can in the meantime to keep things moving. Going long periods of time isn't exactly the same as constipation, and might not be as dire as mainstream health would believe but it still seems like at least daily should be ideal. More than just food waste exits through the bowel, so its good to have regular transit to eliminate any festering stuff and loose toxins.

I've been squatting for 4+ years or so, although not every time. Sometimes I'll just raise my legs. To me this is one of the simplest things one can do to increase their general health. Shit should just fall out like watching a horse, not like some suffering dog that eats grain food. Any stress and engagement of those muscles consciously drains alot of internal 'chi'.  :-*

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Bronwen on February 04, 2011, 03:06:30 am

Quote from: KD on February 04, 2011, 02:16:27 am

Likely there needs to be changeover of bacteria which may take a long period of time, so odds are you want to do what you can in the meantime to keep things moving. Going long periods of time isn't exactly the same as constipation, and might not be as dire as mainstream health would believe but it still seems like at least daily should be ideal. More than just food waste exits through the bowel, so its good to have regular transit to eliminate any festering stuff and loose toxins.

Agreed - and 'regular' will be different for each person depending on all sorts of factors including diet type and dietary volume, so switching to a new diet will take you through a transition phase and you will have to discover what the new 'regular' is for you, as well as what becomes normal consistency and volume, as this will change too. You can't compare it with what used to be 'normal' for you.

Quote from: KD on February 04, 2011, 02:16:27 am

I've been squatting for 4+ years or so, although not every time. Sometimes I'll just raise my legs. To me this is one of the simplest things one can do to increase their general health. Shit should just fall out like watching a horse, not like some suffering dog that eats grain food. Any stress and engagement of those muscles consciously drains alot of internal 'chi'.  :-*

Raising legs is a good option.....can also just have a low stool in front of loo that you put your feet on. I agree with you about the internal 'chi' being drained....yogis believe same thing goes for excessively loose stools on a continuing basis, as well as excessive defecation (too often or massive amounts). But then the latter is often related to overeating anyway, which is energy-draining in itself.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: pioneer on February 23, 2011, 11:01:00 am

Haha me and my BIO professor share the view that fiber for humans is absolute nonsense. It's funny because this guy is so arrogant yet so right about most of his views. I sit in his classroom full of nutrition majors and he tells us all that fiber for humans is absolutely ridiculous and that its like the USDA is trying to turn us into horses eating cellulose and such which we cant even digest. All the nutrition students look at him like he is crazy. At the end of the lecture I walk right up and shake the guy's hand.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: CHK91 on February 23, 2011, 11:30:23 am

The frequency of my bowel movements have remained the same 4-5 days. This can't be normal, right? I don't think food is supposed to transit through digestive system this slowly. This was while eating almost no fiber. I actually started eating fibrous leafy greens and carrots hoping to get it moving. Does anyone know why this is happening? It's not just the elimination. I have gastroparesis, and food remains in my stomach for a very long time making me feel bloated.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: pioneer on February 23, 2011, 12:21:26 pm

Basically, I say the next time someone tells anyone here about the importance of fiber your response needs to be "it's called peristalsis idiot, basic anatomy and physiology." that is what we have muscles in our intestines for.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: CHK91 on February 23, 2011, 12:24:32 pm

Should I take glutamine then instead of fiber? The slow transit is pretty uncomfortable.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: raw on February 23, 2011, 02:05:48 pm

Paleo people without fibers are like superstar. They don't smell, they don't make poopy like the entire people in this society do.  :D

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Wolf on March 14, 2011, 08:16:55 pm

I ate completely 100% raw for about a month, and experimented with different combinations of food during that month.  I noticed when I was eating completely animal food, including eggs and dairy, but with not a single plant food whatsoever, I didn't have a bowel movement for like a week.  in fact, I didn't have a bowel movement until I ate any plant foods.  However, I did not feel bloated or constipated or backed up or anything, it felt more like my body was just completely absorbing every last bit of whatever I was eating, until I ate plant foods which contained indigestible parts, and that's when I needed to go.  I'm not sure if that's true or even possible, but from what I understand, or at least what I heard somewhere, dogs that are fed on a raw animal food diet and given whole carcasses to eat, only have dry white bowel movements that contain mostly bone and fur?  which are indigestible, which seems to me that they completely digest the meat/fat/organs and such, and that since I was eating a completely raw animal food diet devoid of bone or fur, that they was nothing indigestible being consumed therefor I had no reason to use the bathroom.
However I have no idea how all that works exactly and that could be complete nonsense, but that's the only theory I could come up with based upon how I felt and the information I've heard (which could also be false or poorly remembered information)

Right now though, I eat a diet consisting mostly of fruits, and I have a normal and easy bowel movement about once or twice a day, although every once in a while I'll eat cooked foods, which usually cause some sort of constipation or diarrhea feeling.. although more of a very mild case of each, perhaps better described as either slightly softer or harder stools than normal.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on March 16, 2011, 12:36:20 am

Quote from: rawcarni on February 02, 2011, 03:47:11 pm

My BM's are best on a carnivore diet. Fiber tends to constipate me.

Hi Rawcarni,

what is the protein/fat-ratio of your food round about?

Did you need a "transition time" regarding bowel movements after switching to ZC?

I still would like to find out why raw ZC didn't work for me so far...

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Ioanna on March 16, 2011, 06:36:00 am

Quote from: CHK91 on February 23, 2011, 12:24:32 pm

Should I take glutamine then instead of fiber? The slow transit is pretty uncomfortable.

how about a tsp of coconut oil, a few egg yolks or bone marrow?

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Rawhanna on March 16, 2011, 11:35:18 pm

I've been eating raw for about nine years and have been primarily omnivore for most of that period.  I've also fasted during this period, and in fact eating raw was really just an adjunct of my fasting and a means to continue those therapeutic effects and help me heal up and avoid surgery.  It worked so well I've stayed raw.  Ok, so what follows is probably going to cross into TMI territory at some point, but so what... that's the nature of this thread.

Bowel movements can range in frequency and in composition for a variety of factors. Did you know you can poop during deep fasts without having eaten anything for weeks?  Yep, it's true, been there done that.  This happens because the body is constantly eliminating, whether its because of turnover of dead cells, intracellular waste products, or the indigestible foods you've eaten and look like their now poking out your backside (think whole corn).

In regular dietary digestion and elimination the bulk of food eaten at a single setting can strongly influence what makes it from your mouth to out your anus as waste product.  Waste product bulk and consistency of a bowel movement also depends upon the absorption rate of the chime (the meal you've eaten that your stomach is starting to breakdown), which is also influenced by the frequency of your peristalsis (your intestine muscle wave contractions that speed the bulk along) and the quality of your feed (the organic, raw, blended, synthetic, crap that either have or do not have additional enzymes to speed chemical bond breakdown, or already arrive broken down and ready to go).

You can strongly change and influence all aspects of your entire digestive processes above simply by being stressed, adding stimulants to your diet and even exercise.  And this doesn't even touch upon the organic composition of WHAT you decide to eat, HOW MUCH you decide to eat in a single sitting and HOW FREQUENTLY you eat.  There's a lot of variables here.

I've found some principles for stabilizing digestion and having perfect bowel movements by playing around with these variables over the years.

1. Eat 100% raw
2. Eat less than 16oz of any raw meal at any one sitting, no matter what composition you eat (carnivore, vegan, omnivore).

When I do this I tend to have perfect poops (i.e. it just comes out easy shaped perfectly like a banana and I don't even need to use toilet paper--there's no residue or sludge whatsoever and no constipation or hardness--a real smooth move.)  I can also have an occasional perfect poop on other diet combinations, but these are not as frequent, as repeatable or as easy as when eating on the above two principles.

As I'm a competitive soccer player, I've been surprised at how much less food I can eat and still maintain a dominating edge on the field.  Of course I'm not trying to bulk up or gain massive amounts of muscle, just refining my energy for explosive power, speed and finesse.  I used to eat all the time playing competitively in college, but most of what I ate ended up in the toilet (huge dumps, or many dumps per day) and I never felt as consistently good overall as I do today (as best as I can recall).  My teammates on road trips used to tease me that I should just take my food and throw it in the toilet, as I didn't seem to be using any of it because I'd crap immediately after eating and sometimes I'd have to get up during a meal.  The fastest transit time I noticed in that period was 90 minutes, from raw spinach--in and out and it didn't look much different in the bowl than it did on my plate.  And I knew it was the same spinach I'd just eaten cause I'd not eaten any for quite some time before that.

Now I just eliminate once every day in the morning when I get up, like clockwork.  Don't need coffee, tea, exercise or even happy thoughts... just one good smooth move every day.

But then again, a more constant and balanced lifestyle produces more constant and balanced results, and back in the day I was seriously against anything approaching constant or balanced... and my crap sure told the story.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: sabertooth on March 17, 2011, 09:43:16 am

Raw coconut works wonders for my digestive system (I was never constipated, but had bad yeast issues... coconut seems to help that condition immensely). One may have to experement to find your own threshhold, but if you eat enough coconut you will poop, although if you are not acustom to its laxative effect and eat too much look out for the exposive cleansing effect.

A couple of small wedges between meals seems to be a reasonable start.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: klowcarb on March 19, 2011, 04:19:41 am

I like to keep my fat about 67-69% and protein for the rest. That seems to work perfect for me.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on March 20, 2011, 01:48:11 am

Quote from: klowcarb on March 19, 2011, 04:19:41 am

I like to keep my fat about 67-69% and protein for the rest. That seems to work perfect for me.

Thank you, klowcarb! I still don't know why my body seems to refuse ZC diets.

Any cramps? Any supplements? All beef? Organs?

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on March 20, 2011, 01:50:54 am

Quote from: sabertooth on March 17, 2011, 09:43:16 am

Raw coconut works wonders for my digestive system (I was never constipated, but had bad yeast issues... coconut seems to help that condition immensely). One may have to experement to find your own threshhold, but if you eat enough coconut you will poop, although if you are not acustom to its laxative effect and eat too much look out for the exposive cleansing effect.

Hi Sabertooth,

oh yes, I know these explosive effects very well, after eating more than a litte bit of hard white flesh from mature coconuts. Do you think it's a cleansing effect? In my interpretation it's a very harsh irritation of the colon, from this hard non-watersoluble fiber...

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: klowcarb on March 20, 2011, 05:37:48 am

Quote from: Löwenherz on March 20, 2011, 01:48:11 am

Thank you, klowcarb! I still don't know why my body seems to refuse ZC diets.

Any cramps? Any supplements? All beef? Organs?

Löwenherz

No cramps. Only supplements are magnesium and Vitamin D, plus iodinized salt.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: alycia on April 12, 2011, 02:30:09 am

Quote from: CHK91 on February 23, 2011, 12:24:32 pm Should I take glutamine then instead of fiber? The slow transit is pretty uncomfortable.

I've been wondering about glutamine myself and looking at "Fiber Menaces" products b/c they are suppose to address one coming from a higher fiber diet to LC.  His GI Recovery has 5,000 mg, that is hard to find elsewhere. 

Has anyone used his products, with success or failure?

He has a whole colon recovery package :o

I'm a little skeptical though -\


here is the link to is high glutamine powder to restore bowel function.
http://www.fibermenace.com/store/gi_recovery.html

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: tdister on April 22, 2011, 01:42:55 pm

For folks eating their meat in hunks with little to no chewing, what is the volume ration to feces?

Graphic

I just collected a sample of my own and it was quite bit larger than I expected. High volume and what appeared to be the solid hunks fused into one (what's the scientific term for "log"?). Upon dissection the possible hunks had no ability to hold form so something happened to them digestion-wise, but they got nowhere near "used up" completely. I saw no identifiable grain of the meat or fat.

This experiment was likely flawed as it was possibly rushed through by some pecans eaten several hours afterward. I'm easing into carnivore but I realized then that nuts are for sure out, the pecans didn't digest much at all. Other than that it was all raw animal stuffs for the previous 36+ hours. I'm still curious if this is anywhere close to normal?

Surely I'm not the only one to poke my poop with a stick.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on April 27, 2011, 03:13:56 am

Quote from: Löwenherz on March 16, 2011, 12:36:20 am

Hi Rawcarni,

what is the protein/fat-ratio of your food round about?

Did you need a "transition time" regarding bowel movements after switching to ZC?

I still would like to find out why raw ZC didn't work for me so far...

Löwenherz

Hey L.

Sorry I am late...I eat about 80%+ calories from fat. Some days its more close to 90%.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on April 27, 2011, 03:44:07 am

Quote from: rawcarni on April 27, 2011, 03:13:56 am

Hey L.

Sorry I am late...I eat about 80%+ calories from fat. Some days its more close to 90%.

90%? Wow! And what kind of fats do you prefer?

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: alycia on April 28, 2011, 11:52:33 pm

Quote from: CHK91 on February 23, 2011, 12:24:32 pm Should I take glutamine then instead of fiber? The slow transit is pretty uncomfortable.

Yes i think so. 

i have been decreasing my fiber and while i have not tried fiber menaces products ( i would like too, but want to hear if they actually work for those who have used them???) I have added 4.5 grams of glutamine a day to help with the muscle tone through the intestines.  i think it is helpful, just take it on an empty tummy. 
Sometimes i do stir in some coconut oil ( i use powder form of the glutamine in warm water), it helps lubricate things if my fat was low the day before. 

RawCarni -

can you give us a day's example of what food and how much of it?  I have not seen many examples of what women eat and how much of it?  Being a woman and all the crazy diets i have tried - i have no idea what is a normal amount of food intake anymore  -\

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: klowcarb on April 29, 2011, 01:46:51 am

Quote from: rawcarni on April 27, 2011, 03:13:56 am

Hey L.

Sorry I am late...I eat about 80%+ calories from fat. Some days its more close to 90%.

That would be way too low in protein for me, but I lift a lot. I find protein very satiating.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: alycia on April 29, 2011, 02:17:12 am

Quote from: klowcarb on April 29, 2011, 01:46:51 am That would be way too low in protein for me, but I lift a lot. I find protein very satiating.

Aha! I was trying to figure out what i would need more of at a meal to avoid the 1 hour later hunger thing?  
So if one is hungry shortly after a meal they most likely needed more protein in the meal not more fat?

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on April 30, 2011, 06:02:28 pm

Quote from: klowcarb on April 29, 2011, 01:46:51 am

That would be way too low in protein for me, but I lift a lot. I find protein very satiating.

Well I eat way more calories than you do (like between 3000-3500) and if I eat too much protein I start to get some swelling in my knees. I haven't figured out yet what causes this, but I am pretty certain that the total amount of protein (in terms of g per body weight) shouldn't exceed a certain threshold (whatever this might be).
I feel much more energetic and more stable energy levels with very high fat and moderate/low protein.
BTW: I am doing loads of physical labour which is similar to weight lifting: coring trees. That is on 3 or 4 days a week I am in the woods for 8-10hours a day and take increment cores with an increment borer (and no: it has NO motor ;)), in addition to that I am running 7 days a week between 20-30kms each day.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on April 30, 2011, 06:07:59 pm

Quote from: Löwenherz on April 27, 2011, 03:44:07 am

90%? Wow! And what kind of fats do you prefer?

Löwenherz

Hey Herz,
as you are also German and I am not really certain yet what the right english translation is (i think tallow?): Rindertalg.
BTW: Are you in G. currently and if so: where do you live?

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: PaleoPhil on May 01, 2011, 02:38:47 am

The raw beef fat that is used to make tallow is called suet, also known as perinephric fat or kidney fat. It's the fat around the kidneys and other organs.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on May 01, 2011, 03:54:06 pm

Quote from: PaleoPhil on May 01, 2011, 02:38:47 am

The raw beef fat that is used to make tallow is called suet, also known as perinephric fat or kidney fat. It's the fat around the kidneys and other organs.

Thanks Phil-and how do you call just the simple raw fat (not coming from around the organs?)

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on May 01, 2011, 07:15:10 pm

Quote from: alycia on April 28, 2011, 11:52:33 pm

RawCarni -

can you give us a day's example of what food and how much of it?  I have not seen many examples of what women eat and how much of it?  Being a woman and all the crazy diets i have tried - i have no idea what is a normal amount of food intake anymore  -\

Hey Alicia,
I eat at minimum 1Kg of food per day. Average calories from fat between 80-90% (the higher numbers are when I am doing strenuous work in the woods-coring trees for 8-10hours.) I also do run daily (currently between 20-30kms), so my calories and food amounts might be more an example for a highly active woman. 
When I am hungry I eat tons of fat. The other day I had 1kg meat and after i had finished I ate another 400g (roundabout) of pure beef fat. I also eat organs almost daily. All sorts from all animals (beef, pork, chicken, rarely fish).Everything I eat is raw.


Hope this helps?

Cheers Nicole

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: PaleoPhil on May 01, 2011, 11:11:37 pm

Quote from: rawcarni on May 01, 2011, 03:54:06 pm

Thanks Phil-and how do you call just the simple raw fat (not coming from around the organs?)

I think you're referring to intramuscular, intermuscular, and subcutaneous fat.

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on May 03, 2011, 03:51:18 am

Quote from: rawcarni on April 30, 2011, 06:02:28 pm

Well I eat way more calories than you do (like between 3000-3500) and if I eat too much protein I start to get some swelling in my knees. I haven't figured out yet what causes this, but I am pretty certain that the total amount of protein (in terms of g per body weight) shouldn't exceed a certain threshold (whatever this might be).

Same here. If I eat too much protein I et some weird symptoms, like clogged ears, fatique and sometimes even joint pain. I'm not physically not very active and noticed that my optimal protein intake is round about 100 grams per day.

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on May 03, 2011, 04:02:55 am

Quote from: rawcarni on April 30, 2011, 06:07:59 pm

Hey Herz,
as you are also German and I am not really certain yet what the right english translation is (i think tallow?): Rindertalg.
BTW: Are you in G. currently and if so: where do you live?

Hi Rawcarni,

tallow is rendered (cooked) beef fat. The english word for "Rindertalg" would be suet (raw beef fat).

Some years ago I had eaten raw beef suet from grain-fed organic ("Bio") beef. The result was a pure health disaster. At the moment I eat backfat from beef and lamb, but from 100% grass-fed animals only. So far, absolutely no problems. Next time I will try to eat suet from grass-fed animals.

Be careful with animals fats. We have MASSIVE dioxin problems in some states of Germany. The toxins accumulate in the fat of grass-feeding animals. I hope to get more data from the university of Münster in the next days. They found out that in many cases dioxin levels in beef fat are extremely high, many many times above all legal limits for contamination.

Yes, I'm currently staying in Germany. In the next weeks I will be in the region Tübingen (Baden-Württemberg). Please contact me via PM, let's talk about Raw Paleo in Germany!

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on May 03, 2011, 04:07:04 am

Quote from: rawcarni on May 01, 2011, 07:15:10 pm

When I am hungry I eat tons of fat. The other day I had 1kg meat and after i had finished I ate another 400g (roundabout) of pure beef fat. I also eat organs almost daily. All sorts from all animals (beef, pork, chicken, rarely fish).Everything I eat is raw.

400g of pure beef fat? Incredible! I (still) can't eat/digest so much fat. And I would sweat like crazy as raw animal fats produces so much heat in my body. Are you wearing any clothes during the winter in the woods?  :D

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on May 03, 2011, 06:31:43 pm

Quote from: Löwenherz on May 03, 2011, 04:07:04 am

400g of pure beef fat? Incredible! I (still) can't eat/digest so much fat. And I would sweat like crazy as raw animal fats produces so much heat in my body. Are you wearing any clothes during the winter in the woods?  :D

Löwenherz

Yes and that kept me going...The next day at 11pm I was still not hungry lol...but ate still  ;).
It is weird about the fat: When I started ZC I felt that eating animal products only makes me warm-now I have noticed that this is true for protein and that the fat does not make me sweat so much when I overeat it-this happens with too much protein however. very interesting...

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: rawcarni on May 03, 2011, 06:36:06 pm

Quote from: Löwenherz on May 03, 2011, 04:02:55 am

Hi Rawcarni,

Some years ago I had eaten raw beef suet from grain-fed organic ("Bio") beef. The result was a pure health disaster. At the moment I eat backfat from beef and lamb, but from 100% grass-fed animals only. So far, absolutely no problems. Next time I will try to eat suet from grass-fed animals.

Where do you get backfat from beef and lamb?

Quote from: Löwenherz on May 03, 2011, 04:02:55 am

Be careful with animals fats. We have MASSIVE dioxin problems in some states of Germany.
Löwenherz

Yes I know-but I have to eat something...I am in Brandenburg-do you know anything about too high Dioxin levels here? I suppose its not as big a problem as in other states

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on May 05, 2011, 01:53:55 am

Quote from: rawcarni on May 03, 2011, 06:31:43 pm

Yes and that kept me going...The next day at 11pm I was still not hungry lol...but ate still  ;).

WOW! You must be Raw-Paleo-Super-Girl!

Could you name some recommendable farms for grass-fed meat in Brandenburg?

Löwenherz

Title: Re: Bowel Movements
Post by: Löwenherz on May 05, 2011, 01:58:58 am

Quote from: rawcarni on May 03, 2011, 06:36:06 pm

Where do you get backfat from beef and lamb?
Yes I know-but I have to eat something...I am in Brandenburg-do you know anything about too high Dioxin levels here? I suppose its not as big a problem as in other states

I usually eat lamb backfat. I like this super-saturated fat and the heavy feeling.

But I feel much better with fat from wild boar.

I will get detailed information about dioxin levels soon. I can send you some info via PM. Unfortunately Brandenburg didn't participate in the 2010 screening program. The worst case is Northrine-Westfalia with extremely high dioxin levels in beef and lamb nearly everywhere. The more grass-fed the more dioxin. Many farmers are not allowed to sell meat anymore. Liver from lamb and sheep is forbidden know in whole Germany, btw.

Löwenherz