Thoth, thanks for your valuable input.

GS, May I ask what would cause you to prescribe a coconut fast for you or for others?  What is the rational for using coconuts in a cleanse?

I was pointing out that there is more than just the positive claims of "abundant energy, have glowing skin, etc.." at that forum that you selectively reported in your original post and thread title

Phil, Thank you for pointing out that I was also selective.

I kind of expected you to fight back. I am not saying you always want to win an argument, though.  I think you are just very proud of your logical/philosophical mind.   


Thoth, thanks again for the tip on auditing foods on batch-basis.

Of course there are variations of RVAF, like the wai diet for example that would have my skin looking like a teenager working at a fast food joint.

Why do you recommend Wai diet for skin improvement? I thought many on this forum believe high fruit intake ages skin fast.

Farmers markets are bar-none the best place to get organic, local foods.  They should have the closest thing to wild fruit besides growing/foraging your own.  I think raw vegan have improved their health by eating a cleansing diet.  It has a lot of vitamins/minerals, easy to digest (minus the fiber), etc.  It is just lacking/deficient in a lot of stuff we need also.  Some need more than others it appears and it depends on climate, activity levels, etc.  My diet isn't really that far off.  I mean I would say I eat maybe 75% vegan/vegetarian with around 25% coming from stuff like raw eggs, sashimi salmon, bone marrow, liver, crockpot chicken, etc.  Most of what I eat is fruits and vegetables and I feel better every day.

Joe, How do you know the food items you find at farmers' markets are truly what the farmers claim to be?  I would think it is safer to buy certified organic produce at supermarkets because at least they are certified by someone.
May I ask what plant foods you eat regularly?

  I'm eating pretty close to the way you are, so if you think that is working for you, imagine how much better it will work for someone who has started at such a young age. I was very sickly as a child, lots of colds, flus, stomach aches, then later terrible infections mostly above the shoulders, fatigue, depression, etc. Now I haven't been to the doctor or dentist in 5 yrs, I'm stronger, healthier and happier than I've ever been in my life and I have the signs to show for it, teeth remineralizing, shiny hair, supple skin and of course, plenty of energy work here on the farm and a couple other 'jobs'. The only difference is that I'm honoring the fact that plants are a natural part of most human diets.

Did you talk about the details of your diet in another post? I would like to read it.

Thanks to all for your advice and encouragement. I will try to do RP paying attention to my instincts.  I hope I will succeed. 

Thoth and GS, thank you for your advice.

I think my RP diet earlier this year was 60+ % fat, counting the fats in beef and cheese and dairy cream and coconut cream and walnuts. I had plenty of water.

I definitely need to change to another version of Raw Paleo. The problem is that I don’t think I can go by my instincts. If I go by my instincts, I would eat 80% of my food in the form of sweet juicy fruits purchased at supermarkets (not wild fruits). I now stay in Taiwan, the kingdom of sweet fruits. So I know I would do that.

According to the homepage of this forum, only berries and wild fruits are allowed in RP. So I just cut out almost all fruits earlier this year. (I would not go into the wild to gather wild fruits. Organic berries were insanely expensive.)  As for veggies, I thought some in this forum pointed out that most veggies have anti-nutrients according to scientific studies? So I cut out veggies. What was left was the VLC version of raw paleo.

As for my home-minced meats, I don’t think they are worse than commercially ground meats that many in this forum eat? If I did not spice up my beef/fish, I could not stomach any raw beef/fish. Hopefully I may transition to a higher level.

I have cut out all dairy since mid-May. I can cut out nuts if that is necessary. I ate walnuts primarily to up my fat intake.

If this version of raw paleo diet isn't working for you, then just change to something else..

Yes that is something I have to do. The problem is that I do not know how to do it. I don’t know what my body really needs. As I said, if I listen to my body/taste, I might be a happy camper at the sweet fruit kingdom, which obviously is not wise. That is why I tend to go by rules...

If one browses raw vegan forums (such as RAW FOOD TALK), one will see many claim to have solved health problems, have abundant energy, have glowing skin, etc..  I know this forum's general consensus is that raw veganism leads to poor health and accelerated aging. Then how do you explain the many voluntary personal testimonies in raw vegan forums?

I tried raw paleo for four months earlier this year. I perhaps did it wrong because I ate much raw cheese. I did not receive any obvious benefit to speak of. I actually think I experienced accelerated aging during that period. My diet is mixed right now because I am vacationing abroad and do not have much power over my intake of food. However, as I am getting close to returning to my home in US, I am giving thoughts to what is a really healthful diet. Please be assured I am not promoting raw veganism. I am just asking for opinions. I am sure I will receive valuable input as I remember that many members in this forum experimented with raw vegan once upon a time.

RawZi, Thank you for your reply.

I heard a friend talking about the benefit of deep sleep last night; and I realized that my sleep quality has been bad for years because my late-night snacking habit. I am doing something about it. Plus I have been staying away from dairy for 2 months now. I will see if my dark eye circles will depart when I manage to sleep deeply without interruptions.

GS, It sounds like you have been sadly disappointed in your marriage. It seems that you would rather be a faithful husband in a happy marriage if your wife were capable of receiving/returning your love for her.

Dorothy, in GS's case it might be that the fault does not lie with GS not understanding women.  Maybe his wife has never been capable of receiving/returning true love because of her family background. It does not look like she married him for the right reason in the first place.

After doing my first RP diet in the form of ZC or VLC  (with lots of raw cheese) from late Janaury to Mid-May this year, I found the dark circles under my eyes darkened. And I did not feel any health benefits from the diet.  After reading this thread, I thought that lack of carb and plenty of dairy might be the culprits.

Since mid-May I have been in Taiwan. My diet in this past month is not very ideal: plenty of raw fruit, some cooked seafood and a little cooked meats and a bit of cooked carb...because I have been in Taiwan and I eat at the tables of friends often.  I have cut out dairy completely. My dark eye circle problem has not improved. So diary does not seem to be the culprit.

 I will stay in Taiwan for another 8 weeks. The only safe/healthy raw animal foods here are wild-caught tuna and semi-pastured egg yokes. Quality raw tuna is more expensive than I can afford (More than $100 a day if I only eat quality raw tuna).  The tuna I could afford needs a little searing to get rid of the fishy taste.  There is simply no way I may get quality raw beef. There is plenty of fruit here. 

So with solving my dark eye circle problem in mind, I am considering experimenting this "detox" diet for the next few weeks: much raw fruit, some raw egg yokes/lightly cooked eggwhites, raw coconut butter, plus a little lightly seared tuna. Is this a good idea?

Somewhere someone wrote that the fault of raw fruitarian diet is that it is nutritionally deficient because of the lack of animal foods...that raw fruit sugar is alright for health. That is why I am considering a diet consisting of mostly raw fruit plus eggs and seared tuna.

Suggestions/comments are welcome.

Will someone help me with one more question about AGEs: Why is the AGE content of cooked eggs (poached) so low while all other raw/cooked animal foods have so much more AGE?

Here is a sample of the AGE content (ku) of 100g of (cooked) animal foods:

Egg, omelet, pan, low heat, cooking spray, 11 minc  90
Egg, poached, below simmer, 5 minc 90
Chicken, boiled in water, 1 h 1,123
lamb, leg, boiled, 30 min 1,218
Salmon, fillet, poached 2,292
Salmon, raw 528
Trout, raw 783
Tuna, fresh, baked, 25 min 919
Beef, raw 707
Beef, stewed 2,657
http://marshfieldceliac.weebly.com/uploads/2/5/5/7/2557865/ada_ages_in_food_reduction1.pdf

http://www.paleoforwomen.com/carbohydrates-for-fertility-and-health/

This article is against VLC for paleo women. What do people here think about this article? Does it make good sense?

Only really applies to raw animal foods from animals raised on very unhealthy diets. It is true that all animals, even ones raised on extremely healthy diets, have very tiny amounts of AGEs in them but these are naturally produced in all animal bodies on a daily basis and are easily dealt with by the body's defences.

http://marshfieldceliac.weebly.com/uploads/2/5/5/7/2557865/ada_ages_in_food_reduction1.pdf

According to the above link,  AGE contents in animal foods versus vegetarian foods (KU per 100 grams) are something like this:

Apple (AGE content is 13)
Banana (9)
Cantaloupe (20)
Carrots (10)
Celery (43)
Cucumber (31)
Onion (36)
Tomato (23)
Raw beef (707)
Raw shrimp (1003)

I understand that the raw beef /shrimp in this link is raised on "very unhealthy diet."  On the other hand, the apple, celery etc. here probably also refere to grocer-bought non-organic ones which are produced from very unhealthy soil. 

It keeps bothering me that raw animal products have so many more AGEs than raw fruit/vegetables. So my question is: how do we know that raw 100% grass-fed beef and wild-caught seafood do not have AGEs anywhere near the animal products raised on unhealthy diets? How do we know that animal products “raised on extremely healthy diets have very tiny amounts of AGEs in them”?