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Members' Journals => Journals => Topic started by: Dr. D on June 28, 2013, 07:53:32 am
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Okay so I'm not REALLY a doctor, I just play one on the internet. If I were to be a doctor I would likely have my PhD in Orchestral conducting, with some variation, as those things get picky.
I started my nutrition journey after reading The Four Hour Body by Tim Ferris. I had been working out for the past 4 months daily, took my knowledge, gained from friends who were always in shape in school, (work hard, lift hard, eat carbs and LOTS of protein after a workout, etc. basically the stuff that doesn't work) and ran daily, lifted every other day, managed my meals, and only ever got as far as barely being able to see the inside definition of my pecs. Shortly after, I injured my knee and had to rest for a few months, found it difficult to find the motivation to start again, seeing as i barely got any results. Shortly after that, I picked up a book I saw was popular online, and read it cover to cover twice, how Tim supposedly barely slept, ate as much as he wanted, had massive energy, strength, lost 20 lbs. in a month without exercise, and gained 10 lbs of pure muscle in one month without anabolics. The rebel in me listened. I had to defy the odds. I talked with my awesome roommate who had been saying for the past few weeks he wanted to work out with me that I was going to switch to this diet, what he could expect and if he wanted to join and we could split groceries. He was in. We BOTH lost nearly 20 lbs (me 16, him 18) in one month, he continued being more restrictive than me, and went on to lose 25 lbs over the following two months, totaling a little over 40lbs in three months, never exercising, never starving himself. To hell with calorie counting.
I don't mind going against the grain. In fact, I've always enjoyed it a little. Controversy makes things interesting. When I told my immediate family about raw meat and how people are healing diseases left and right, they weren't too surprised (they know me well).
The rest of my family can't even get over that I feed my dogs raw meat, I think I'll hold off on telling them I do the same.
I've been on raw for about 6 weeks. I currently have been off coffee for 5 days. Since starting raw, I haven't "needed" more than 7 mg of Adderall on my worst of days, this is having 4 beers the night before with a nice sugary meal.. somewhat of a cheat/break. Before, I ate any of these following things: fruits(30%), veggies (40%), beans meat eggs (30%), "healthy" grains were somewhat a part of my diet, but not very frequently (other than beans). Breakfast was usually quickly seared veggies with 3-4 eggs. Lunch was usually a salad with fruit, maybe a bit of meat to be easy to digest or possibly beans like chili or a fried bean dish. Dinner contained meat and grains like quinoa or farroh or rice. I didn't stray from bread for any other reason than it made me fat. No clue it zapped my energy. I would have approx 1 piece of "whole grain" bread per day.
That diet went on since I graduated college. My days since arriving back home were filled with a strong desire to sleep. I literally couldn't keep my eyes open for most of the day. When I could, I was somewhere else, mind racing all directions, tough to focus, impossible to listen to directions. I could simply state it as "hard." Dustin, listen. Sorry, it's hard. Wake up! Okay okay. 2 hours later, still asleep. Seeing as my dad and brother both have ADHD and its genetic, they figured I did too. Adderall sure as hell helped wake me up. I felt... normal. I didn't feel zooted or stimulated. Just normal. I could think. Stay awake. Be clear (kinda) in my head. I don't think its as much I changed, or that the drug changed, but rather that I grew. I realized that the drug induced a sort of euphoric state, where things are slightly better than they are. Music, work, conversation, driving, all most interesting and engaging. Suddenly, even the most bland of idea becomes cool and enticing. But that's not pushing my potential. That's not driving me forward. It causes me to be happy in the status quo. I need to find a way to stop.
For a year and a half I continued my "healthy" diet, seeking the pinnacle of health, always needing more supplements, finding something different to try. Until it hit me when my dad talked about my brother doing the same (finding more supplements, more healthy foods) for his drug recovery, I was seeking in the same way. Aren't we all though? Aren't we just trying to FEEL BETTER?? It really drilled home when I came to this forum and saw the mindset of elimination, rather than addition to diets. Dusty likey. Plant foods are inherently lacking, even though I based my diet around them, and was convinced that's the way our ancestors ate, I always wondered how the eskimos and other cold region people lived. Myself being of swedish/slavic descent has the cold region genes bred into me. I have a deep love of seafood, yet it never clicked, and I kept downing my spinach and beans and green drinks and herbs; "this is the way to be healthy," I thought. "This is what God intended: 'eat from any fruit in the garden,' and 'the lion will lay with the lamb'" But that was pre-flood.
(quick side note: whether or not you believe in the literalness of the bible, it still is a deep and wonderful account of humanity, filtered a little bit through Hebrew culture, and often you will see me make reference to it. I may or may not believe in the literalness of its historical account, but whether it really happened or not, I find no flaw in its philosophy, when filtered correctly with an understanding of Hebrew culture.)
So pre-flood, the world was intended to be a different place. The bible alludes to it being almost tropical-like conditions world wide. There have been scientific claims that long ago there was high oxygen content and more plant life. Well, humans could live on plants then. But post-flood? When the land to the Israelites is literally a desert. What must one do? Write a book (Leviticus) outlining all the new foods one can consume and use for sacrifice and how to do so. Damn its boring to read. But I digress.
God wants us to eat the animals. It's outlined in Leviticus. Also he says all fruits bearing seed and the seed. He said nothing about eating leaves. Bye bye spinach.
So here I am, 6 weeks in. I've had my med free days, and I didn't want to sleep all day. Quite awesome really. I'm also quitting coffee so that has to be taken into account. I am still unsure about going VLC, though I kinda naturally am, seeing as my appetite for meat has always been high. I'm guessing no more than 40-80g carbs per day, moving slightly less daily.
I have difficulty stopping delicious sugar foods that are in the house. Mom got these great seattle chocolates, 70% dark chocolate with coconut bits mixed in... YUM! Plus, grandma makes this AMAZING raspberry jam, I can take it by the spoonful. Those are about the only two I'm working off of. It's tough when they are nearby. I got my own fridge for my meat so I don't have to see it in their fridge as much and think about it, but the plant foods are in that one, which I have some daily.
If I have some time to live on the toilet I'll try GS's VCO detox. Sounds tough though.
I've been attempting Intermittent fasting and failing: our water supply cuts in and out, we are getting a new pump. I get dehydrated and tired and decide in my drunken stupor that sugar would be perfect for me, seeing as eating fats and proteins make me more thirsty. I want to try 48 hours without food. I have at least been able to get to 24 since starting RAW, fat keep me satiated for a long time. Quite different than the 4-6 hours I could go on plant foods before wanting a nap.
Not sure I feel stronger yet. I feel... extremely relaxed. Not tired. Not weaker. Just like I don't need to or want to use energy. I think it's due to eating too frequently. Tyler says it's good to give your body a rest from digestion and I feel that way, since I become more relaxed after I eat. My sense of well-being has improved slightly. Paradoxically enough, I'm slightly disappointed that it hasn't improved more. But I also look at my eating habits and I haven't yet had more than about 2-3 days straight without a refined sugar. So maybe there is a lot to be thankful for.
However, for the first time in my life, my 6-pack is starting to show. Enough that I cast a shadow on myself finally. It's there. I think I may be in a healing cycle, hence the tiredness. When it passes and I feel better (as I'm sure I will) I may be a little arrogant and show-off.
Frequent foods: beef suet, pork back fat, lamb, I just got a deer roadkill, salmon 3-4 times a week.
My water source is from a natural aqueduct that has about 7.8 ph and high mineral content according to state drinking water standards, though I don't know the actual numbers or minerals.
Feel free to ask about anything. It's the internet, I have no shame here.
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6 - pack. You sure, you aren't getting too lean?
Aajonus suggests staying a bit overweight for health buffer and options.
My 12 year old boy who is too thin also shows his six pack.
Though I would rather he not show a six pack like his 10 year old brother who has plumped up readying for his growth spurt.
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6 - pack. You sure, you aren't getting too lean?
Aajonus suggests staying a bit overweight for health buffer and options.
My 12 year old boy who is too thin also shows his six pack.
Though I would rather he not show a six pack like his 10 year old brother who has plumped up readying for his growth spurt.
I think when my veins show on my abdomen is too lean. 10-12% bodyfat I'd say is healthy for an athletic and fit young man, which is the early stages of a 6-pack showing. I'll post pics in a few days or so when I'm less bloated (from eating too many cherries while working). I'll happily accept the criticism that I may be too lean, but I highly doubt it.
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Sorry for being a wanting to be fat alarmist.
I'm in a fattening kick right now supervising a terminally ill kidney cancer patient and his options for healing are narrow because he is too thin. (Went under my program when he was already thin.) But after all the work I've done on him he is now supposed to just eat and sleep and gain weight. With extra weight we can do plenty more things to shrink his big big kidney tumor. (vco detox, other fasts, temporary vlc diets). In illness, I can understand what Aajonus was saying about suggesting people be a bit overweight by some 10 to 15%.
Welcome to the forum, I hope you achieve immense health strides.
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Haha, you sound like my grandma "dont get too thin!" :P Thanks GS. I know exactly what you mean. Maybe it's my young ignorance but I've never had debilitating health issues and always been fairly athletic, so I don't worry or think too much about being bedridden and needing that extra fat. I've never seen extra fat as beneficial because I've never considered a scenario I'd be in to need it.
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Accidents and injuries come to mind. Breaking a bone for example.
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i think as long as you are also maintaining muscle, its alright for summertime, but more fat then a six pack is optimal :)
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I don't think there is anything wrong with being very lean. I'm trying to get there myself and am succeeding. I think the key would be just to be lean, with a decent, functional, healthy amount of muscle. Your body can eat away at this for resources in times of great need. Resources that are best for healing of all types. It is much superior to a lump of fat to survive off of (even when lean, we have a huge amount of fat still stored within us and you also get much better at using the fat you do have). Being lean and having lots of muscle means being very healthy. Having a blump of fat all over you is generally less unhealthy, because if you eat right, exercise right, it'd come off anyway and always stay off. This means your body, under normal, healthy circumstance, is trying to get nice and very lean.
I wonder how people got the impression you can survive better off of being overweight than you can by being trim, healthy, with a dense amount of muscle resource? If you have the proper condition, there should never be any reason to put on fat.
I wouldn't argue however that people lacking any amount of real muscle wouldn't benefit from being a small bit overweight, as opposed to the alternative (wasted away).
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And that's my main concern. Honestly, I could care less about how I look as long as i know I'm healthy and feel good. If I don't lose another pound I'd still be content. If I don't heal my body however, that's another issue. I don't want acne. I have these weird yellow plaque balls that form in my throat and build up and come out smelling nasty. That's a sign to me that something is off. When a 23 year old man that looks physically fit can't wake up in the morning and has no energy, that's not right. The rest is workable. Healing is my priority. A 6 pack that happens just as a byproduct, ill take that as this is how I'm supposed To look at my healthiest.
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Travelling is tough. Visiting grandma who would probably have a heart attack of she knew I ate raw meat. So I try to eat as little as possible. Had a dry bland apple last night, couldnt finish it. Had a banana this morning and some almond butter, honey, jam, and butter, all cooked sadly. It tasted good so I figured I'd have a bit. Not sure if eating something bad or fasting is better when you have a whole truck to load. I figured the carbs would help my energy, as I'm not ketogenic Yet.
I'm 7 days off coffee and I don't feel as energetic as when I do have it, but I expect that to change. I'll give it time.
No salt or iodine or lemon for my water seems weird. I can tell a difference I think. It refreshes and energizes me daily.
I'm considering fasting and how to get benefits out of that. For me, going to one meal a day was quite a feat. I have heard mixed things here, if one day of not eating will pause digestion shortly enough to provide more healing or if it has to be 3 days no food. Insight?
I had raw kidney for the first time. I found it more mild than liver, both of which I find enjoyable. Especially the after effects of organs.
I've been considering pyroluria like PP was talking about. I don't have more than 1 of the 7 things he listed (white spots on nails) but I wonder if I'm zinc deficient because my brother told me adderall blocks zinc uptake. Looking into it a bit.
I went two days no adderall then had to drive and was getting tired. Had about 5 mg, which two weeks ago I remember needing almost 15 for the same drive. Step positive imo.
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personally, i have (almost) always been lean, and athletic. low body fat percentage was always the norm for me, until my early thirties. even though still active, i started accumulating some "extra" around my midsection, my 6 pack was becoming more keg-like... exercise and higher intensity activity, for multiple years, would not remove it... i kept gaining weight. considering my height and frame, lean seems the better, more healthy way to be, for myself. i feel this was validated when, during the course of my "raw" transition, i leaned out again. no real change in lifestyle, no crazy dieting... still active, my body seemed to have readjusted itsself to be what was healthy for me... i am convinced that what was gathering over my belt were the toxins and crap contained in the foods i was eating for most of my life. i'm glad to see it go. pursue clean, healthy foods and lifestyle, let your body readjust. you'll know when you reach a point of "contentment", your body will tell you! then it's just a matter of maintaining that...
best wishes on your endeavors, mentally and physically...
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oh, i'd like to mention:
salmon is good... shellfish is yummy, too...
these items always make me feel mentally "crisp"...
i think you've noticed daboss's journal, too... good read.
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I have. In fact, I think daboss and I are dealing with similar issues re mental health more than physical health. His seem more severe imo. But the. again, I could be crazy and don't even know it ;)
Don't even get me started on seafood haha. All I ate today was 2 bananas and a small jar of pickles. I'm going to try a water fast for a little. If I can only consume water all day tomorrow that will be the smallest amount of food I've consumed for 48 hours in my life. I feel so bratty knowing that ove never had to go that long without food, like an over priveliged rich kid. Ah well, time to grow up. Must prove to internet peoples that I can not eat. O0
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I think it's time: I picked up some raw VCO from the health food store today. I'll do Gs's VCO detox and finish off the last of my jam And chocolate cravings. I also suspect my acne is a symptom of Candida or some yeast or something in my gut.
I have to drive a bit in the morning tomorrow so I won't eat but I would like to start and get on with it. I'll take a picture of my acne before to see if it improves. I don't auspect over two or three days of detox, but this may be the ignition to healing it.
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I'm beginning to think I'm either ketogenic already or very close. My former diet was pretty LC already, and I didn't stray from fat/fatty cuts like chicken thighs and steak. I'm also curious about a potential issue with plant foods I may have.
Today I tried starting the VCO detox. I only got to 3 doses before nearly puking it back up, and they were small and spread throughout the day. My morning dose was not appealing, considering the meal size I had yesterday. I tried it anyway, and my body found it extremely bitter and repulsive. I went to work for a few hours and felt almost nauseous the whole time, including that i had salt and lemon water (1.5 liters), so it wasn't dehydration. I didn't feel that bad other than in my stomach. When I first started raw, I also knew I was supposed to have a lot of fat so I found it where I could. My body had a few bouts of diarrhea for the first few weeks and for the past few weeks I've only passed solid stool.
More on plant issues later, ill try going zc for the next few days, upping my organ intake to compensate. I like organs now that I'm used to them.
I won't continue the vco detox but I found another thread where someone else had plant issues, so it was suggested to try an animal fat detox. Nothing was ever noted on it, so ill continue my 100% raw fat diet with suet for at least another day or two. I will suspect that I already cleaned my gut if nothing severe comes out, but I did feel some moving and my gut feels a bit... Ready. Like something is going to run out. Haha.
I lost count of my days without coffee, feeling better daily. 2 days with 0 mg of adderall, still feeling fairly motivated and not like I want to sleep all day like I used to without it. It's nice. I feel relaxed often but can work hard without thinking "i have to get out of here" the whole time like I used to. That's amazing.
I started a ferment of asparagus, carrots, onions, ginger, and radish. Also, I read someone asking about pickled herring from blue bay if it was heated and it wasn't, so it motivated me to try my own pickling with RACV. I had some wild sole left over so I put onions, garlic, pepper, RACV, sea salt, sole, and water in a jar And put it next to my high meat jar on the fridge. does anybody know if you're supposed to air pickling jars or should it pressurise and ferment that way? Either way, I love that herring so I'm hoping this comes out the same.
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I'm now over a week without Adderall. No longer ZC. I had a severe reaction to 400 mg of magnesium and 99 mg of potassium, and it didn't help my headache after a week of ZC. I'm going to assume I need more seafood and organs before I'll attempt it again in the winter. So for now I'll eat fruit during the summer and enjoy the season.
I pulled the trigger on orgonite. http://orgonix23.com/ (http://orgonix23.com/) I used that site if anybody is interested. I got 12 'towerbusters' and will let you all know of the effects, if any. I am also going to tell my brother that I got them, but I won't tell him when/where I hide one. I want him to just be aware and tell me if/when he experiences anything. Kind of a blind test.
I'm also going to up my iodine intake. I purchased 5% solution of lugol's. I have been taking approx. 2-3 mg of nascent iodine daily and can tell a benefit. Somewhat cleansing.
Also, I purchased Vit. K2. I'll start taking that since I eat so much liver I'm sure I have enough A and D, but I need some K2 to mobilize it. I was thinking of doing vitamin butter (kerrygold) but its so expensive. Plus, I'm not sure how dairy is for me. I'm starting to notice negative effects when I take it. I had some raw goat milk the other day and I felt lethargic with a slight upset stomach. Perhaps lactose issues?
My acne is slowly but surely clearing up. I think it was better on ZC last week than it is now. So that's something to reconsider. I think my teeth were better on ZC also. I really do want to reattempt full keto-adaptation. I feel like my body may be suited towards carnivory. I had always had a strong inclination towards meat, seafood in particular. Never been into candies that are made from pure, refined, cane sugar (pixie sticks, jolly ranchers, etc.) I've preferred chocolate, which is mostly fat. That may be another indicator of my body's enjoyment and desire for fat. Or I could just enjoy chocolate!
When winter comes around I'll restart ZC/VLC (whatever terminology you prefer, I mean dropping out plant foods). Perhaps I'll align my switch with the end of the Jewish holiday sukkot, or festival of the harvest, to represent that plants are harvested and we done eatin them.
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Also, I purchased Vit. K2. I'll start taking that since I eat so much liver I'm sure I have enough A and D, but I need some K2 to mobilize it.
What brand did you buy and what potency does it have? I'm using the one from Carlson labs, 5 mg per pill. I actually just found it REALLY cheap from this website in case you're interested - https://discountmultivitamins.com/en/shop/vitamin-k/vitamin-k2-5-mg-180-caps.html (https://discountmultivitamins.com/en/shop/vitamin-k/vitamin-k2-5-mg-180-caps.html)
I'm also going to up my iodine intake. I purchased 5% solution of lugol's. I have been taking approx. 2-3 mg of nascent iodine daily and can tell a benefit. Somewhat cleansing.
Keep an eye on your detox symptoms, extra salt might be needed. You might also find the companion nutrients to the iodine protocol useful - http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/mega-dosing-iodine/msg109283/#msg109283 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/mega-dosing-iodine/msg109283/#msg109283)
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I bought the exact same bottle of K2 except I got it from amazon for $18.
I have all those supplements at home so I will experiment lightly. Like I said, last time I did that much magnesium I overdosed. I'm nervous about supplements and as I get back into the carb realm, I know I may need more common doses, but at least I'll learn more and have a better shot at zero carb later. Good suggestion.
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Did you get 180 or 60 for $18?
Also what form of magnesium did you take? Most forms are poorly absorbed and cause diahrea. Magnesium glycinate is better absorbed.
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I double checked. It was for $37 that I got 180. Ya yours is a killer deal.
My magnesium says it's glyconate on the front but under the facts in the back it has magnesium oxide in parenthesis. Is that correct?
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I have my 5% lugol's iodine solution. My brother refuses to take it, saying its toxic and can be dangerous in those doses, he prefers what he's read about nascent iodine and takes that instead. I just get tired of trying to mega-dose with nascent, counting out 40 drops. Since others (lex specifically) have had success with 5% lugol's I decided to give it a shot. So far I'm doing one drop every other day. Just planning on starting slowly to track as best I can changes.
Also, I spent the last 3-4 days snacking on ice cream in the evening. My dad got this tough to resist coconut ice cream, had to indulge. I also had a few drinks with good friends that I hadn't seen in a long time. Oh well, I learned my lesson and the days got tougher one after another. Back to 100% raw today.
I'm still not sure what to do about being keto/VLC/ZC (not sure what to label it). I mean, going pure from the animal kingdom. As I eat mostly raw animals, with a few fruits, I'm not feeling the oomph I think I should be. My muscles don't feel as strong and full of energy as they should be. My head is more clear, but as a 23 year old fit man, I feel like I should be ready just to go lift something heavy just for fun. I don't know if it's low glucose stores in my muscles.
For my carb intake, I eat about 50-100g/day.
Lamb/salmon/liver have been my choices for protein the past few weeks, cycling them daily, eating about 5-6 oz each.
Fat I try to keep as high as possible ranging from 3-7 oz. depending on the day.
The lower I go on my carb intake, the better I feel, however that is only short term. I try to keep carbs below 30-50g/day and I feel good for a day or two, then I feel weaker than before until I do a big recarb load. Which that recarb loads takes a day or two to feel good again. Then I only feel good for a day or two until I lower my carbs back down. I didn't really set out to do a CKD, but as my instinct would have it, it's what's happened. However I don't enjoy it and don't see benefits from it. I am more often than not fatigued, or looking for something else, or not sure if I need fat, protein, or carbs.
The other issue is that psychologically, (I don't think it's candida) I desire more sweets when I have a few. I can stop at a few most days, but other times I give in and have too much. Instinct? Not sure. I was able to tell myself to go 100% fat for 3 days and did. Then I added in protein for another few days before stopping my ZC experiment, due to sore joints and needing to perform at my physical job better. The physical stuff is over and I may need to retry ZC because I almost feel like carbs are messing me up. Both physically and mentally.
I'm back on Adderall, my work performance was becoming terrible and I couldn't maintain. Still no coffee. I think coffee uped my carb cravings so I will stay off. I seem to have better control now that I think about it. I may use Adderall through another attempt at keto-adaptation and then when I feel more energetic I'll taper off. What I've read on a few other keto-sites is Adderall can help deplete the glycogen stores more quickly, being a stimulant. I know some on the forum may disapprove of the method, but at this point, the ends justify the means for me, since no other way has worked.
I feel like even on the small amount of fruit I eat, my teeth are doing worse. My acne has stopped improving. It's not worse, but not better. ZC was clearing it up rapidly.
It's tough to decide on ZC for summer, having all the delicious seasonal fruits around. The health benefits seem to want to point that way, so maybe I'll reattempt it here in a few days.
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Still no coffee. I think coffee uped my carb cravings so I will stay off
Depending on which study you read, there are reports of blood sugar elevation and release of insulin connected with drinking coffee. Coffee does not affect me with cravings, although I don't drink it anyway.
Another culprit that might trigger cravings after coffee consumption might be molds that grow during the drying of the beans. I have a local coffee roaster that handles very clean beans that are reportedly mold-free. On other threads, there is a discussion of raw coffee. If you are experimenting with coffee because of its possible beneficial effect on ADHD, you might want to try non-moldy or raw beans.
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I'm saying I'm done with coffee. Haven't had any for weeks and I used to have a few cups a day. I don't think its necessary to help my ADHD. It may worsen it. And we've always used yuban, I'm sure there's mold.
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Back in my years of ill-health pre-RPD diet, the only thing that would make me feel normal was a cup of instant coffee. The trouble was that the effect only lasted c.30 minutes.
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coffee, regardless of quality, can wreak havoc on the endocrine system and blood sugar as well as the mineral balance in the body. good on you for taking it out of your diet.
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Back in my years of ill-health pre-RPD diet, the only thing that would make me feel normal was a cup of instant coffee. The trouble was that the effect only lasted c.30 minutes.
I didn't quite reach normal with a cup 2+ years ago. This was back when I believed what "they" told me about eating quick burning carbs like pizza after a workout. Left me absolutely drained the following few days. All the while I thought I was improving. My body has improved in appearance and feel more in the month and a half of 80% raw than on the 6 months of the most grueling exercise I've done in my life, lifting and running almost daily.
"You can't brute force biology." I can't remember if that's a Taubes or Ferris quote, or my own rendition on some of their ideas. It's been an important principal in my health over the last few years.
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I'm trying to go barefoot more and more. I've been interested in it for a little while now. Alongside cooking, no other animal wears shoes. Are humans just designed poorly to need foot protection? No, I think not. I'd like to start to be able to sprint anywhere barefoot. I love sprint-interval running. Never enjoyed long distance. Just seems like torture to me. So far I can walk on some really jagged rocks in front of my house. I try to walk over them a few times a day, really digging in my feet to build the skin strength.
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I've also started to get back into barefoot training. I've been walking on decently rocky trails, and yesterday went for a 2 km, slow easy run on the rocks. Went very well, except I pushed a bit too hard and hurt a part of my foot.
It feels great today though after only one night, so I don't think it'll be a problem. From what I understand, your feet generally adapt to even this occasional abuse and get stronger. I'm going to keep at it, but this time its actually more so because I want my feet and body to be connecting with the earth more, rather than just making my feet bad ass. Been laying on the grass a lot in the sun too. Bugs be damned, I wanna be touching that ground half naked.
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I know the feeling. It's nice to connect with the ground. Feels very natural. Plus of course the bad-ass feeling of showing your friends that you can walk across sharp rocks with no stumbling. I have told my brother that I want to start going barefoot and he just gave me a look "why?" Obvious benefits are improved ankle strength, reduced risk of injury, and any detox through feet is allowed as well as the intake of any potential nutrients, such as magnesium.
Concerning magnesium, I'm about to the point I was in my previous ZC attempt, 2 days completely "ZC" and 3 days before that only 5 g of carbs each day from one small apricot each day. However this time I've been walking outside in the dirt and mud and gross-ness (yay) barefoot and possibly I'm taking in a bit more Mg, since my joints don't feel sore like they did last time I was at this point, and I'm eating the same thing. Barefoot a contributor? I don't know, tough to say. But I'll continue with this lifestyle so far because it's starting to work.
Maybe after years of barefooting, I may decide to pick up "coal-walking" hehe -d
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Quick update on my current ventures and how I'm faring.
I am not 100% feeling great all the time yet. It's summer and I enjoy being social. The pressures cause me to have a few beers (never more than 3) a few times a week. Oh well, I'm still off Adderall so that's good enough for me. If I feel like I get tired/worn down from the beer enough that I need to have Adderall again, I'll take a break, learn from my mistake, cut down/out the booze and carry on.
Diet wise: I am not ZC (obviously), but enjoyed the last ZC attempt so much I will definitely re-approach it in late fall/winter and probably succeed for the whole time. I consume about 0-5 fruit items daily averaging 50g or less in carbs.
Exercise: I have started lifting, doing a sort of quasi-eccentric training. I don't have many weights so I'm sort of mixing HIT with eccentric: doing 4-5 reps VERY slowly, then holding at about 3/4 of the way to the full positive side and letting the weight go down as my muscles fail. So my bench press will be 5 slow reps, then very near the top I hold until it drops to my chest. I only have about 90 lbs in weights so its not hard to just sit up with it on my chest. My mindset is more towards that of "bulking" as I'm not in full-ketosis, I assume the carbs and extra protein will lend more towards muscle mass naturally. Then I'll "cut" over winter-time.
Supplements: I am only taking iodine now. I am at 5 drops twice daily of Lugol's 5% (62.5 md/day). No detox symptoms other than one time at 18 mg when my arms itched slightly for 20 min. Not bad. I notice a more clear head and increased energy and motivation. I think this may be the thing helping me stay off Adderall the best. I have a metal filling in my mouth and assume the toxicity comes from that. I may have it removed as I'd rather not continue exposing my body to it for life, but right now it's not in the recent future. Maybe sometime within a year. I know about the alternate supplements that go along with iodine and am nervous about them. The last time I took magnesium and potassium I was out for the day. Either it was the pills themselves or the dosing was way too high for my needs. Being mostly carnivorous I doubt I need 2000 mg of vit c daily and wonder if it would be detrimental. Not sure yet. Selenium seems beneficial but I don't know enough about how the iodine effects it to say for sure.
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Hey Dr D
Why are u making diet so complicated mate :)
U never need supplements ever!
If u do than u do something wrong..
Thats just my opinion man.
Diet is NOT complicated :D
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Hey Dr D
Why are u making diet so complicated mate :)
U never need supplements ever!
If u do than u do something wrong..
Thats just my opinion man.
Diet is NOT complicated :D
Ideally I'd like to never take supplements. But I'm quite sure as long as I have this metal filling I'll have to. Paleo man didn't have metal in his mouth. Metal is toxic. It makes me sick. Iodine fixes that by detoxing the metal.
I agree diet isn't complicated and ideally I should eat only food and be healthy as a wild lamb. However, because of the damages done to my body, I'm a realist and for now, the iodine is helping a lot. I imagine getting the metal filling out would help me re-approach the iodine protocol.
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Sorry man I didnt know that.
Sometimes I forget other people are not in the same situation as I am.
l)
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It's no problem. No need to apologize. How long have you been raw paleo? I think some of it changes with time and experience. DaBoss now uses supplements and seems to be healing very well.
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Ive been raw paleo for 1,5 years now. But to be honest ive hardly eaten any meat. It just doesnt digest well for me. Ive tried multiple times, but it even lowers libido. I use only fruits and egg yolks. I have experimented alot in the past year with fats and salt etc etc, but everything but fruits and egg yolk just messes me up.
I think its great that DaBoss is healing very well.. I mean thats what I want for everyone. And like I stated earlier.. Im not in his your shoes or anyone else so I cant Judge :).
Its just that I go by my own experiences and changes Ive noticed.. I think Im just sensitive and I perceive that as something good rather than weak.
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DaBoss now uses supplements and seems to be healing very well.
Thanks. I did try the just diet approach and ran into many problems. Everyone is unique and needs different things.
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Supplements: I am only taking iodine now. I am at 5 drops twice daily of Lugol's 5% (62.5 md/day). No detox symptoms other than one time at 18 mg when my arms itched slightly for 20 min. Not bad. I notice a more clear head and increased energy and motivation.
I've just started taking potassium iodide drops two days ago and I've noticed a ton more energy. My legs usually get exhausted at work when I walk up flights of stairs. I have to stop and catch my breath. Today I walked up five flights straight and didn't have to stop once, and no fatigue in my legs. I also usually feel a big dip in energy levels from about 2-4pm. Those have been getting better too. All from a $5 bottle of iodide. :) Most likely I made myself highly deficient when I stopped using table salt years ago.
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Kaizen: I find your take on digesting raw meats rare but 1.5 years is a long time and would defintely figure that you know what you can handle. For me, the last 1.5 year's was spent with 60-70% plant matter and didn't help. So I'm taking the minimalist approach and sticking between 0-50g of carbs for mental health. It seems to be working because I haven't needed adderall and that was a big part of my goal. also, I agree that being sensitive is good because it lead me to where I am health wise, instead of treating symptoms only.
daboss:you're very welcome.
Jesterhead: definitely the same experience. I'm not sure if its because of a deficient diet over the years or toxicity from metals, or even adrenal fatigue from grains and grain fed meat my whole life, but the iodine is great. I really only noticed a huge boost when I got above 12 mg. I'd like to be taking 100 mg or so for 3 months before dropping down to a maintenance level. If you end up mega dosing and taking other supplements in the iodine protocol let me know.
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Hey I thought I'd mention this since I noticed you said you're just taking the iodine. I recently cut back tremendously (literally one drop or less of the 2% daily) because I added in selenium and started detoxing really bad. I had diarrhea for a few days, got a horrible rash and got really cloudy headed. Selenium helps detox mercury and I think the combination of the iodine and selenium was really doing to much. I'm going to give the iodine a break while my body gets used to the selenium. I'm mentioning this so you know how much the "co-factors" help in the iodine protocol.
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That is EXACTLY the kind of info I was going to search for. I may hold off on magnesium still but selenium was definitely one I was considering. I have eaten raw Brazil nuts before for selenium and enjoyed them so maybe I'll do it that way.
Thanks again! I'll order some asap and let the forum know my result. I do feel like the iodine is helping but also like its reaching its limit.
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Just take it easy and make sure you watch for detox symptoms.
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Quick update:
It's now been 2 months off Adderall and feeling more clear headed than when I was "feeling my best" on it. I'm still taking only iodine, and have gone to 12-16 mg per day instead of the higher dose. I felt like it was dehydrating me and I was just peeing it out. I still plan to get the supplements but I haven't had time.
I'm going back to ZC, I felt better than when I had carbs in so I'm going to try it again for now. It's day 5 of no carbs and I'm not sure where I lie, as I was already very low carb. I'm going to use my dad's breathalyzer here when/if I start to taste metallic in my mouth like I did before. Maybe I should give it a shot now to see when the breathalyzer starts going crazy.
I'm pretty excited about this: I found a place for consistent biweekly orders of grass-fed beef (sadly frozen) that is labeled under pet-food, but all from healthy grass-fed human consumption rated animals, for $1.75/pound. Before I was paying $6/# for my ground beef/muscle meat. I haven't tasted it yet so I hope its okay tasting, but that's going to save me a lot of money on my food. Fat will still be purchased at $3/# bringing my cost of food per day (being ZC again) to $3, as a base(1# of lean meat and .5# of fat, give or take as instinct drives and activity level, which is 65% of calories from fat). It doesn't include any seafood I infrequently purchase, but at less than $100 a month for my staple food, it's easy to say the sky is the limit on variety meats.
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I blew a .02 at 1 PM today. No breakfast. I wonder how eating will change it. I'll blow again after eating my fatty meal tonight.
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I just blew a .08 on the breathalyzer. No officer I haven't drank anything since it is 9 AM. I just ate a little bit of food too so I'll see if it changes in an hour. About 2 oz of fat and 4 oz of ground beef. Small meal.
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I have eaten raw Brazil nuts before for selenium and enjoyed them so maybe I'll do it that way.
I would reconsider eating brazil nuts, at least I wouldn't do it frequently. Their omega 6 to 3 ratio is 377.9 to 1. The PUFA content is 38.3% of the total fatty acid content.
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I was considering it for only one nut daily. Hardly enough to throw off my fat ratios. But enough to give me selenium.
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Ah ok. How much selenium you aiming for each day? I apologize if you already mentioned it elsewhere.
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hard fresh coconut has selenium, no problems here eating quite a bit, or at least the 'juice' from the meat.
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Liver and kidney are good animal food sources of Se.
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No I haven't mentioned it, thanks for asking.
The iodine protocol recommends 200-400 mcg/day of selenium. Being zero carb I'll shoot for half that and go from there based on experimentation, so about 100 mcg per day. One brazil nut contains ~90 mcg of selenium, pretty close in my book. One oz. of liver: 11 mcg. To get the higher numbers I would end up with vitaminosis A.
one cup of coconut meat would still only provide 8.1 mcg of selenium, following me up with 5g of sugar, an unrealistic way to reach those higher selenium numbers (that may not be necessary, but this is in the spirit of experimentation).
The only thing with brazil nuts is that in a 5g kernel, 1g of that is omega 6 fatty acids. Eating my 1/2 pound of beef fat daily is still only 5g of omega 6, and 2g of omega 3's.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3478/2 (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3478/2)
That throws off the balance a bit, but not too bad. Those things really are high in omega 6s though.
I can up my salmon intake since 3 oz contains 1.2 g of omega 3's and only 175 mg of omega 6's, a perfect way to make up for the extra omega 6 from the nut. Salmon has 30 mcg of selenium also, so I may be careful with that and only end up eating only a half a brazil nut a day.
Maybe it won't be a big deal as beef meat has selenium also. Like I said, experimentation.
Thanks for the input everyone, it gets me to learn more and solidify the "program"
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The dangers and misconceptions of ketosis.
I drank two and a little less than 1/2 a little more than 1/4 glasses of wine tonight. 3 hours later I blew a .38 on the breathalyzer. I am not out of my mind drunk. My mom only said my breath smelled a little bit like alcohol, like ketones. My dad didn't notice. I'm only buzzed. Apparently .35 is enough to be hospitalized and that's by serious drunks.
Yes, my breath alcohol is really high. Mostly because with no carbs my body processes alcohol really fast and strongly. However I can't drink as much as my carb days because with no carbs to diffuse the alcohol it makes my breath and likely blood alcohol really high. Dangerously high.
My limit for a long time has been about 3 drinks in the course of a night, taken over a few hours. It's enough for me. I don't enjoy drunk. Just a little buzz. This works well with ketosis as I only need a drink or two to get there.
http://www.breathalyzeralcoholtester.com/alcohol-chart-estimation (http://www.breathalyzeralcoholtester.com/alcohol-chart-estimation) I weight about 160. Apparently I'm supposed to be dead.
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What made you embark on this "zero carb" craze, my friend? It has nothing to do with paleolithic nutrition. In that era, our ancestors certainly had absolutely no idea of what carbohydrates are, thus they had no way to exclude them from their diet.
Better totally avoid alcoholic beverages, anyway. Small amounts of alcohol in over-ripe fruits are fine, though.
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The following posts have been moved here:
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/instinctos-tropical-paradise/msg114031/#msg114031 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/instinctoanopsology/instinctos-tropical-paradise/msg114031/#msg114031)
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So after following the day-long debate, but not being able to respond, I'll just put my two cents in here.
I live in an area where there is no wild fruit. I'm an avid outdoorsman and have yet to come across anything that remotely resembles fruit in this area, even if I don't know what it is, it's all pretty much grass and trees. So there's two conclusions I can draw: 1- fruit is not abundant in this area so if I were to adapt to it I'd have to eat mostly animals. 2- whether or not it is beneficial, evolution is about change, and the change that needs to occur to survive in an area.
I have many reasons for doing VLC/ZC right now:
-Seasonal changes: it's getting to fall and about the only fruit left is apples and pears. Nothing can be found wild so I choose not to eat domesticated fruit right now.
-Previous health issues are going away being on ZC: my teeth enamel in growing back, they are becoming stronger, acne is clear, all symptoms that showed up immediately upon consuming carbs in any form, including raw local honey. My energy deteriorated with carbs and on zero-carb I feel like a warrior, going for most of the day with no desire to stop and watch tv as I previously wished to. Not to say I'm over-working myself, rather that I'm being productive for my day, with many activities being sit-down (music, reading, conversation, etc.) Also my desire to be social is returning to what it was in high school, when I felt great.
-I come from Scandinavian and Slavic heritage, both cold climates. Who knows how many generations this goes back but let's assume for a moment that within the realm of unprocessed foods one must adapt to his environment quickly or die. To adapt to cold climates one must consume fat and very few carbs; it's all that nature has available and in fact provides an advantage for that person. I notice on my highest fat days I struggle a little in the heat but can drench myself in a cold shower or sit in the car with the AC full blast, feeling cold but it doesn't bother me. In fact, it's almost enjoyable to live at a refrigerated temperature of 50-60 degrees F, or about 14-20 C.
-I have always had a disposition towards meats and fish, again possibly Scandinavian heritage.
-Sweets have been my addiction, struggling to not eat them day in and day out. With ZC, I don't feel that pull anymore and with a few bites of carbs I feel a pull to continue consuming even though I know it's unhealthy. They make me sick so I need a break.
-Sleep is better. When I was young I was always noted as the first to bed and first to rise. Looking back I was just sensitive to the natural cycles of the day and enjoyed following them. From 13 yrs. to just a few months ago of age I have had sleep difficulties that are being sorted out again by being ZC. I am more likely to be in bed by 10 and wake up naturally at 6-7. This is not consistent yet but I am feeling more rested and more energetic overall, which tells me something good is happening.
As stated earlier, I have no intention of living my life in a zero-carb state. It is an experiment I need to conduct to figure out the best carbs for me and how to tolerate them without a loss of energy. If that means I must live in a ketogenic state where most of my energy comes from fat, so be it. If the way I feel now continues (not likely, everything changes) I'll continue what I'm doing. It's the first time in my life I've felt this good.
As far as scientific stuff goes: babies live in a ketogenic state, eating high fat and cholesterol and doing great. The land mostly provides those macronutrients year round, fruit being seasonal except in tropical places. Yes, I know the stuff about instincto's talking about high fruit areas year round. That is not commonplace nor does it align with evolutionary theory or even practicality for where I live. Otherwise I'd be consuming only domesticated fruit and I'm sure the instincto's don't approve of domesticated fruit. Also, if the instinctos truly had their alliesthetic response the same as our ancestors, why do we not hear them laying claim that grazing on bugs is the most instinctual way of hunting for food? Why work hard at killing a deer that's so fast and requires great spear skill when we can eat these lovely maggots crawling all over the tree? I'm 3 months into raw paleo and as I can see myself maybe in the future attempting bugs, I currently have no interest. I'm already deemed weird enough and don't want to lose any more friends over this ;)
I would like to be more wild in my approach with food; hunting more frequently. I can only imagine how yummy a dove or quail or deer or bear is eaten straight from the wild. My nature may be full of bugs but I'll let the lizards eat the bugs and I'll eat the lizards. :D
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I am feeling a little sad right now. The prospect of finding a healthy, woman, or in my goals, women, that would be on board with raw paleo, polygyny, and be very beautiful while having an attractive personality seem to shrinking daily as I learn more and more the potential of the human race. Naturally, there must be some give and take. However, I simply don't think I can believe in marriage in the standard sense anymore. It simply doesn't make sense. It seems... harsh and cold in some regards. This concept of love is laughable; we've only married for love in the last 100 years.
In some regards I can be funny, energetic, and the life of any party. Raw paleo has put me on the top of my game, leaving girls usually eyeing me all night and saying they love how funny, exciting, etc. I am. But... I am not attracted to them. Most of the conversation, while based on comedy and is nice to break loose, is simply shallow.
I am in the middle of nowhere. I am not here for myself. I'm here for my parents. The goal is to help them survive another year. Agriculture, ironically enough in a system based upon agriculture, is dying for the middle sized man. There is a movement towards small organic farms. The giants also are buying up the medium sized guys. My family is a medium sized guy. We can either sell or shrink down. The government subsidizes grains and taxes fruits. So backwards. I can't imagine the strife some of the organic grass-fed cattle growers go through. Or maybe it's not that bad. Don't grow fruit. It's a shitty business.
It wouldn't be so bad here if I could find some beautiful women to hang or have sex with. I haven't had sex in 1 year and a half. Talk about being high-strung.
I wish I could find one other person, male, female, attractive, unattractive, doesn't matter at this point, that wants to do raw paleo with me. It's been the best change I've done in my life with the easiest effort and the greatest results. I've never felt this great day to day or looked this good not only in athletic shape but overall complexion. And people comment on it. My friends that know I eat this way think it's interesting, and that it's obviously helped, but have no interest in giving up brownies or bread or donuts, or any other grain/dairy, not even to mention eating meat raw.
Oh well. Sorry to anyone reading if I sound like I'm throwing a pity party. The thing that bothers me the most is feeling alone as I do. Any lack of loneliness involves people that simply want to party. The area is a desert. Maybe you guys have some advice for getting over this sort of issue? Maybe I need to take a weekend trip with some friends to the city and be social and meet 100 new people in 2 days?
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southern Cali has the highest concentration of RAF-type dieters, especially because of Aajonus' work there. However, I think you're better off finding someone who already eats fairly healthily, and sloooowly converting her over time. It took me about 3 years before my wife really started eating more like I do, but she does now. She backslides some, but she's far healthier than she was when we met. She had sickened herself with years of anorexia, bulemia, and veganism. I'm bringing her back, though, one piece of raw tuna at a time.
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meeting 100 of the wrong people in two days may have you feeling even worse!
travelling to the city and being "social" will most likely have you in the same environment you've been striking out at lately... like a bar. or club.
c_k may be right... when your current obligations are met, move on...
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well, my puppy has parvo. I'm exhausted. Up all night with her puking. Vet gave her anti-inflammatory, anti-nausea, and anti-biotic medications. I don't like anti-biotics because of how they weaken the immune system. But I'm using them short term so she won't catch anything and the second she gets her appetite back she will be eating my high meat to rebuild good bacteria. I'm also using M.M.S (chlorine dioxide) which supposedly has been very helpful to many people. I'm quite hopeful she'll be okay. After 3 doses of MMS today so far she is less lethargic, wagged her tail once for a bit, and is much less spacey. Still no appetite or desire for thirst but she isn't really dehydrated, thankfully.
We are bleaching the whole house. My eyes burn and my head hurts. I'm burnt out and want to take a nap. I had to get away from the bleach smell so I came and wanted to post this. If anybody has taken their dog through parvo and has other good stuff to recommend (herbal for rehydration?) let me hear it.
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go for a weekend trip into the woods
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well, my puppy has parvo.... I'm also using M.M.S (chlorine dioxide) which supposedly has been very helpful to many people. I'm quite hopeful she'll be okay. After 3 doses of MMS today so far she is less lethargic, wagged her tail once for a bit, and is much less spacey. Still no appetite or desire for thirst but she isn't really dehydrated, thankfully.
The MMS website has a forum that contains discussions about using MMS for parvo. Not a lot there, but all the ones I found are positive. The site is http://genesis2church.org/ (http://genesis2church.org/). I think you must be a registered member to view the discussions, but maybe not.
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Yes, those are all the ones I saw and am following that very protocol. 1 drop per hour, moved up to two these last two hours, because of her size (54 lbs). Still no diarrhea so thats good, with an improvement in symptoms every hour. I swear by that stuff, and would highly recommend it to anybody for any sickness. Thanks for the look out Eve.
This all goes to show even a dog fed on a high quality raw meat diet (aside from frozen, she eats like me) is still susceptible to sickness. Very relative to the conversation that was occurring in the other thread on vaccinations.
A camping trip would be wonderful Jess, be my camping buddy? We'll catch some wild steelhead in the methow river and eat it raw and wriggling.
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I would D, but I am way further away now, in Southern Oregon, lots of salmon running right now, deer and turkey soon!
I went camping with Ryan/thoth/citrushigh from the MB just a few days ago. we ate raw meat and had an awesome time. Just be patient, recognize and follow the path that is out in from of you, even if it seems new and weird and wild and different from any that you have before, you will find other people and friends and women along the way, just be brave and get into some new territory.
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Long post incoming, sorry but I need help
Update time! My pup is doing great again, parvo passed no problem. By the end of day 1 of MMS treatment she was starting to drink water little more, day 2 had her nibbling on food with me coaxing her, fresh beef preferred to my high meat, thats okay, by day 3 she was 90% and wanting to play but still a slightly weak appetite, usually she's ravenous but she was slowly taking it down. Overall, very quick recovery and she's doing great now. For those with dogs, I can attest to MMS for parvo, and I truly believe it gave her a strong quick recovery. I used 1 drop per hour, slowly working up to 1 drop per 25 lbs, given every 1.5-2 hours depending on how much was excreted.
Now on to me. I'm frustrated. These past three days I've been feeling very exhausted and eating like a saint the whole time.
Food
Maybe my fat intake was a little low yesterday but by no means not enough to screw me up. I usually have been eating 3/4 to 1 lb of lean meat a day with 1/2 lb. of fat. Yesterday I got a hold of liver and heart (DELICIOUS!) and ate salmon like a usually do on a twice weekly basis, about 6-8 oz. worth. I'm still doing iodine, again, without supplements. Also, I had 6 egg yolks yesterday to try and help.
Sleep
Sleeping 7.5-8 hours each night, though I feel tired when waking up, probably preferring 9 hours but as I keep moving my schedule back, my dad keeps waking me up earlier. I can imagine that contributes some but not to the point to where each day all I can think about it going to sleep. It's been somewhat similar to my pre-RPD and pre-Adderall days, where I have to push REALLY hard to get through the day and I want to sleep a lot.
Exercise
I did increase my exercise slightly, adding in some sprints, and more weight onto the deadlift since I've been practicing form. I exercise only in the morning, fasted and try to wait until afternoon as usual to eat.
Now I'm just flat out frustrated because the only thing I can think is the keto, and I'm nutrient deficient in something, because I'm craving bad bad food really really hard, and my mom just made a bunch of brownies and those are quite kryptonite-like to me. The Liver and heart came at a great time because it was a nice variety. Maybe I need to go hunt some wild birds out here. If it is the keto I feel like I'm screwed because I really only have access to domesticated fruit and the last few times I've had only half an apple or pear (about 10 g worth of carbs) I've felt more tired within 30-45 min, obviously signaling that those fruits aren't the best for me. This usually lasted about 4 hours before I felt good again. Now, I feel that way without.
Maybe it is time to give up the keto but I don't think thats it. Maybe I need the other supplements for the iodine protocol. I no longer notice any difference taking it and not taking it. It used to give me a great energy boost and now nothing, today I had about 50 mg.
I felt so good for a while, now I'm losing it. The plan for tonights dinner is a lot of fat and red meat and a bit of liver. I can hold off another day but I'm really tempted to re-attempt carbs, which sucks because eating sweets makes me more prone to want bad sweets, like that huge plate of brownies. I know I'll feel terrible but my logic is "well, I already feel terrible so fuck it."
Any ideas for regaining my energy... health? Wait it out? Re-try fruit?
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It sounds like you're adjusting to low carb. You could either just push through it, which is not necessarily a bad idea, depending on your situation, or you could simultaneously eat a little fruit (like maybe just half an apple, or something) and ALSO increase the fat. Eating sufficient fat, especially EARLIER in the day, is important for reducing carb carvings.
Eat your fat for breakfast/lunch, and your carbs at dinner. You can have a little bit of carbs early in the day, but eat the carbs at the end of the meal, like maybe half an apple after a big piece of fatty meat and fish.
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I don't see how I could be adapting now since I've been near zero Carb for about a month and a half and basically LC since starting RP. I felt like I was doing great about 2 weeks into zero Carb and it got even better from there and then now out of the blue I've just started becoming more tired.
Good suggestion but I can't see adaptation going great for a month then turning sour changing nothing and including organs and the occassional high fiber salad for some veggie nutrients.
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id suggest adding seaweeds, like dulse or kelp, to up your minerals, especially potassium. maybe add some avocados?
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I've been eating store bought haas avocados. About 1 every other day, as part of my salad, which consists always of cucumber, avocado, and Bragg's raw ACV, with some Mrs. Dash, sometimes one or two mushrooms. I have no idea where to find the seaweeds. I've been eating a fair bit of salmon, and that has more potassium than bananas, so I doubt it's potassium, though it may be some trace minerals.
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are there any natural foods stores where you live?......this is the brand I usually buy, https://www.seaveg.com/shop/ (https://www.seaveg.com/shop/) or I look in the bulk herbs section for bulk kelp or dulse. maybe try a day where you eat one meal with a ton of carbs, like go out and eat as many black berries as you can for lunch, tis that time of year, see if that doesn't give you the most ridiculous anxious energy and also help the craving for carbs go away
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Sounds like its worth a shot. I wouldn't mind a Carb up day every now and then haha.
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What did I tell you? ;)
And once again, short term effects can be very different than long term ones, especially in complex systems. Don't follow advices of others, including myself (... except this advice not to follow our advices!): we don't know what your body is doing and what it currently needs.
Only you, and nobody else, can know what and how much of each stuff to eat by following your alimentary instinct instead of intellectual considerations based on our dietary analytic fragmentary and totally partial "knowledge". Forget about carbs, fat, proteins, vitamins, minerals, nutrients, anti-nutrients and place yourself in the position of a wild animal or an hominid of 1 million years ago, ignoring all these scientific data, but nevertheless able to know what and how much to eat.
Of course, Neolithic and modern foods have to be totally excluded. This doesn’t mean that you can’t eat beef, cauliflowers, tomatoes or apples: these are still acceptable foods even if they have been subject to an intensive artificial selection.
Blackberries would be better than apples, as Jessica suggests, but if it leaves you hungry still, it'd be better to complete your meal with some bananas or other cultivated fruits instead of pastries or junk food.
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Yes, you're going to have to find your way on this one. I can tell you from my viewpoint, when you start including sugar to energize you (after having lived low or zero carb) it's a slippery slope and easy to grab the easy fix. Sugar is addicting. And the body will start to loose it's ability to being an efficient fat burner. Here's a couple of ideas that may help before you go give up using fat as fuel. You may be eating too late, hence the waking up feeling not rested. I do better eating a light meal around seven with enough protein to insure rebuilding and repair over night with enough fat for calories. Too much, and I've forced myself to use more than I needed. I then am hungry and eager to eat earlier in the day. I've found a very small meal early (fat and protein) fills my immediate protein needs for repair and building. Aajonus talks about this. I agree with CK, your fat levels may be low, and you may be spiking you insulin levels with too much protein, and the associated effects of dealing with over consumption. lately I like avocados, but find I do best with them when I make a snack of one or more as a mono snack. I also think seaweeds are important if you're not getting enough sea food. Dulse is excellent. Let me know if you want a bulk supplier from Maine/Larch is his name. I also snack on that. I like the idea of including some local fruits like berries. But to start grabbing a high sugar fruit when energy is low for a snack will most likely start a yo-yo with blood sugar. If I'm going to eat fruit, I do it around the time I exercise, thus using that sugar for the extra energy of exercising. You might, in not already, gradually increase your levels of exercise to allow the body adapt to increased energy needs. And finally a month and a half of time is really not that long. Read what Lex writes about adapting over the years. I myself find that it gets easier and easier as one adapts to using fat as fuel vs. sugar. Also salads are nice and can be tasty. You might try eating salad ingredients singularly to find out what you really like. Salads can fill you up, take the place of digesting more nutrient and energy giving foods. Seaweeds out pace land veggies substantially. Especially if you like them. Keep sourcing out fats that you like. It's the same for those who eat sugar, they are constantly finding fruit that they enjoy.
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I only mentioned it because through self experimentation with this irresistible fig tree in the back yard I have found that some evenings, especially this time of year, I am just plain hungry for some carbs...its probably the extra workload, long days and that the weather is pleasant that I am outside A LOT, and....its fruit and berry season. like once or twice a week I get an honest hankering for figs, and I eat the shit out of them, and it might last one night or two, but I am very conscious and can intuit whether or not the hungry feeling is truly that or something else, and fruit is like very last resort. the rest of the week i have excellent energy with pretty low carb save some green veggies, bell peppers, raw cheese. so definitely do some self experimentation and let us know! i really feel like a healthy body will absolutely catabolize that sugar so quickly you will be back in keto in no time, even mine does a much better job at just burning the shit out of occasional fruit sugar and i have like the worst pancreas ever :) never resort to baked goods tho!
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I want to post this dream before I forget. It was very long but ill share the part that I've never had before.
I was at the shore getting ready to go out on a sail boat with a few other people in their own boat, so two boats. We had just come from a channel of calm waters, like a wide smooth river or lake, and waiting at an inlet from the ocean, to try and sail out into the ocean, or at least along the shoreline. As I was setting up the sail they were ready and calling me from their boat. When I tried to look up to them a very bright light all around appeared that I was very sensitive to. It was like the sun and I had to look back down into my boat. The light came from all directions because I tried circling my head the other way from them to look up and again I couldn't even squint without shutting my eyes from the pain of the brightness. They continued to call me wondering "what are you doing? Come on, lets go! " they were obviously oblivious to the light. It confused me that I was the only one so sensitive that I had to slam my eyes closed, or maybe that they didn't even see it.
I slept almost 10 hours last night and am feeling a little better. Possibly my body was craving healing between the organs I got, extra exercise, and slightly shortened sleep. Tiny things add up to a person like myself who has been bothered by this stuff enough to want to change his health.
Lol, Iguana, I told you I have no biased against carbs, its just I have a hard time finding ones that make me feel better. I'm not unwilling to eat fruits, just unable to find good ones. I'm always self examining and experimenting. We bought a jicama root from the store a bit ago. I'm curious if a little raw starch will affect anything, since I haven't had starches since starting paleo. Another part of my dream had me eating potato soup. Haha
Van, I like your idea for spacing foods out. The problem lies in increasing hunger. When I start to eat I want to continue to eat until satisfied. Fat satisfies but can make me relaxed. Not good during the work day. Maybe ill continue with eating past 3 but instead of a meal, make it grazing from then until about two hours before bed, so no later than 8.
Ill call up health food stores in the area for dulse or kelp. I've never had sea plants aside from seaweed rolls on sushi, which I love. I like sea foods a lot so I assume I will like these.
Thanks for all the suggestions! I feel less lost now.
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CK was right on that one. It was a complete glycogen depletion and my body couldn't handle the complete lack of carbs for how much strenuous activity I was doing. From what I hear, if you're doing heavy lifting and hard sprinting frequently, you need the glycogen or you simply won't have the energy there. There are some that argue it is possible, and the counter argument is that they aren't working hard enough. I don't know. Either way, as I'm trying to live seasonally and "naturally" I will eat an apple or so a day and continue my exercise with the notion of "bulking." After that, in winter time, I'll reduce the exercise to maintain muscle mass and reduce the carbs and "cut," as would be likely to occur over the winter.
So here's a quick layout of everything I'm doing:
Food: mostly pre-frozen grass-fed beef. I at least have liver and kidneys for now, and within a few more weeks my supplier is going to let me go and gather organs during slaughter. An apple or lemon every 2-3 days or other "natural" carb source. Also, I still consume approx. 2-3 drinks (usually 2) every 3-4 days. I notice no difference positive or negative from eliminating this for more than 3 weeks, so I still enjoy some every now and then. I think I need more variety in my animals, so I'll start hunting. I'll probably eat the "uncommon" to eat birds; robins,
Supplements: I still notice benefits from 12-16 mg of iodine. Any higher and I get dehydrated and any less and I notice no difference. I want to improve in this area as I feel it will help a lot. I have started adding back in celtic sea salt and am thinking it's doing well. I'm interested in trying the varieties of salts offered at http://www.saltworks.us/gourmet-sea-salt.asp (http://www.saltworks.us/gourmet-sea-salt.asp) I doubt there are any health benefits of such things, but it interests me. I also have been infrequently taking vitamin k2 at about 10-15 mg every other day.
Exercise: I'm still focused on increasing muscle mass mostly for now, but still maintaining functionality. I am doing bodyweight exercising, push-ups, pull-ups, squats, and ido portal style movements very slowly to increase all areas of flexibility, strength, muscle size, endurance, and balance. It's quite intensive and exhausting even at short stints of approx. 20 min of working out. One set to failure if possible, then stressing the negative a little more with a "cheat" reset.
Sleep: Last night was the first night I increased my bed's incline to 6 inches. It felt very comfortable and I had no trouble sleeping. In fact, it was the first time I think I've ever woken up without a stiff spine. I dreamed of killing a cow and I left to get a knife to butcher it up. When I came back there was only the legs and an ear on the ground and a blood trail leading to my dog's bed. She had stolen the whole cow!! It was a silly dream but easy to remember. I also noticed my urine looked a little more yellow than usual this morning. Probably a good sign. I usually sleep about 8-9 hours.
Overall, I feel good enough to be off Adderall, but not "perfect." I would like a bit more energy and drive, but that's to be expected when increasing exercise. I think the incline bed therapy will make a difference. It may be the weird middle ground I'm in at 30-50g of carbs a day, but still maintaining ketosis (blowing approx. .02-.05% on the breathalyzer each morning). I'm not sure what's best at this point and like most of us, attempting to experiment. I'd probably say any given day I feel a solid 7-8/10.