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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Info / News Items / Announcements => Topic started by: svrn on May 25, 2013, 01:28:31 pm
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america is now completely unsafe to raise your children in.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/ (http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/)
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Is there any bill out there trying to fix this problem?
Children belong to their parents. Not the state.
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Wow. I usually think you conspiracy theorists are idiots (no offense), but this is scary shit.
CPS hasn't got this kind of guts in my area. Here in the rural South, anybody who tries to take someone's children is likely to get shot. VERY likely.
In areas without angry/ignorant/violent gun owners, CPS seems to have total control over anyone with children.
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Thats not true, cps runs child kidnapping rings in every state with no issues, if anyone ahs aproblem with it theyre dead, its simple as that. nto sure where you heard about the southern redneks not letting their kids be taken but if cps wants them they are getting them every time unless the family is rich, Poor families stand no chance and thats the ones they target.\
These kids are then drugged and raped in the cps dungeons and sold into sex slavery. Lots of these kids are found buried in foreign countries years after being kidnapped.
Nancy schaefer exposed these people and they killed her and her husband for it. Exposing the child sex trafficking rings is really crossing the line for these people and they wont allow anyone to expose this.
Nancy Schaefer on Alex Jones: CPS criminality (Rest In Peace Nancy) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb6cwYehRTQ#ws)
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Is there any bill out there trying to fix this problem?
Children belong to their parents. Not the state.
bills wont fix this problem. Ending is better than mending.
under communism/marxism/socialism the children do belong to the state. Welcome to america.
thats why the destruction of the family unit is happening, so they can destroy peoples family ties and then replace everything people went to family for with the government.
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Thats not true, cps runs child kidnapping rings in every state with no issues, if anyone ahs aproblem with it theyre dead, its simple as that. nto sure where you heard about the southern redneks not letting their kids be taken but if cps wants them they are getting them every time unless the family is rich, Poor families stand no chance and thats the ones they target.\
dude, I grew up in the foothills of the Appalachians. I personally know a social worker from New York City who moved to North Carolina. She changed careers after she worked here in CPS for a little while, because, in her words, "people around here will shoot you if you take their kids." She had no such problem in New York City. Take that for what it's worth.
Granted, CPS abuses their power sometimes, but sometimes kids DO need to be taken away from their parents. Not every situation is as simple as this one appears to be.
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so sometimes kids need to be kidnapped drugged and raped then sold into sex slavery? I wonder what situation thats true in.
I dont believe that people down south wil shoot cps. If they do the police are ready and happy for a fight. Id like to hear about any experiences she has had with people shooting cpsdown south because as far as I know the kidnapping rates are exactly the same there as they are here.
i dont care how bad of a situation a child is living in, 99percent of them will be worse off under cps care. I cant think of anything worse.
cps kids are on an average of 7 psychoactive drugs at any given time, thats bad enough without all the rape and torture thrown in as well.
Listen to what senator schaefer had to say, she knew more about this than you and was killed for it.
She exposes how cps isnt there to protect kids. She exposes how certain types of kids (blonde hair blue eyes and black hair green eyes being the most valuable bounties) have bounties on their heads and there are financial incentives to drug the children.
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so sometimes kids need to be kidnapped drugged and raped then sold into sex slavery? I wonder what situation thats true in.
Show me even one proven case of this happening on a large scale, from a non-conspiracy-theory ridden news source.
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america is now completely unsafe to raise your children in.
The problem with oversimplifications and generalizations is that they create conspiracies out of incidents.
Now, I have had health insurance coverage with both Sutter and Kaiser, and my question is: For a baby that seemed to be fine except for flu symptoms, why did these parents choose the hospital's impersonal emergency room over their baby's personal physician? Another curiosity: Why should a hospital shift nurse know why the baby was being given antibiotics? That would not be in the scope of a nurse's practice. Finally, I wonder what these parents were thinking when they abruptly took their child off a course of antibiotics. Don't they know that interrupting a course of antibiotics breeds antibiotic-resistant bacteria in a patient's body? The time to opt out of antibiotics is before you take them, or "next time" in the case that you are currently taking them, but never in the middle of treatment.
I have worked in both urban and rural settings in a job where I am a mandated reporter for child and elder abuse. (If I hear a reliable report of child or elder abuse in the course of my employment, I am mandated to report it.) In the olden days, when I was growing up, there was no recourse for an abused child or elder. I'm glad that there is someone to call to intervene in cases of reasonably suspected abuse. I think CPS is a good idea. I can easily imagine that this Sutter hospital called CPS because of the abrupt and unwise discontinuation of antibiotics, not because of a conspiracy to remove children from their parents or a conspiracy against seeking second medical opinions.
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I really hate to do easy research that people can do themselves but ill take one second to give you jsut one case, you can do the rest of the easy research yourself. And like I said, nancys testimony is a great place to start since she has everything documented.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18443628/3-year-old-in-cps-care-overprescribed-psychotropic-drugs (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18443628/3-year-old-in-cps-care-overprescribed-psychotropic-drugs)
funny how once again, the reason she got her child kidnapped is because she went to the hospital. Theres graphic vdeo somewhere showing this childs state of health under cps and it is very disturbing. You can find it yourself if you care enough.
Another CPS worker arrested for raping a child (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVctRLq4_o#)
and theres another of endless cps rape cases.
And can we please stop using meaningless loaded indoctrination terms like conspiracy theorist? Everyone on this planet is a conspiracy theorist. Please tell me what you think happened on 9/11 and I will prove to you in a second that you are a conspiracy theorist.
please do the simple research yourself before making me waste my time again.
DCF-CPS worker pimpin' children!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XXeppXhBq4#ws)
and theres another. there is no end to theese stories, I can post hundreds for you.
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Sure, you can find a few bad CPS workers. So? I seriously doubt the rates of pedophilia among CPS workers is any higher than the general population.
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The problem with oversimplifications and generalizations is that they create conspiracies out of incidents.
Now, I have had health insurance coverage with both Sutter and Kaiser, and my question is: For a baby that seemed to be fine except for flu symptoms, why did these parents choose the hospital's impersonal emergency room over their baby's personal physician? Another curiosity: Why should a hospital shift nurse know why the baby was being given antibiotics? That would not be in the scope of a nurse's practice. Finally, I wonder what these parents were thinking when they abruptly took their child off a course of antibiotics. Don't they know that interrupting a course of antibiotics breeds antibiotic-resistant bacteria in a patient's body? The time to opt out of antibiotics is before you take them, or "next time" in the case that you are currently taking them, but never in the middle of treatment.
I have worked in both urban and rural settings in a job where I am a mandated reporter for child and elder abuse. (If I hear a reliable report of child or elder abuse in the course of my employment, I am mandated to report it.) In the olden days, when I was growing up, there was no recourse for an abused child or elder. I'm glad that there is someone to call to intervene in cases of reasonably suspected abuse. I think CPS is a good idea. I can easily imagine that this Sutter hospital called CPS because of the abrupt and unwise discontinuation of antibiotics, not because of a conspiracy to remove children from their parents or a conspiracy against seeking second medical opinions.
funny ho you dont address the hearth surgery at all. Those doctors jsut want to do whatever they want with the kids no matter what the parents say. Its extremely common for kids to be taken away at hospitals, many of the child kidnapping cases start there because the medical tyranny is complicit with the child kidnapping rings. Its the same as when that guy from the prepper tv show had his guns taken away because he refused heart surgery. Why dont you research that and then tell me theres no medical tyranny. These cases never end and I can pull up hundreds of them easily but I have no time for people who simply want to live in lala land and pretend like everything is okay. If you want to believe that fine, im not going to spend hours convincing anyone. Iv already given enough info if your still in denial after seeing all the videos and articles I posted thats your problem.
heres another mainstream article proving whats going on
http://rense.com/general28/dyn.htm (http://rense.com/general28/dyn.htm)
im done after that one though. its so easy to figure this out that if you didnt after all the info I gave then you can enjoy your safe bubble of denial.
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Sure, you can find a few bad CPS workers. So? I seriously doubt the rates of pedophilia among CPS workers is any higher than the general population.
its much higher. im not doing any more research for you though. enjoy your false reality if thats what you want to do.
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The problem with oversimplifications and generalizations is that they create conspiracies out of incidents.
Now, I have had health insurance coverage with both Sutter and Kaiser, and my question is: For a baby that seemed to be fine except for flu symptoms, why did these parents choose the hospital's impersonal emergency room over their baby's personal physician? Another curiosity: Why should a hospital shift nurse know why the baby was being given antibiotics? That would not be in the scope of a nurse's practice. Finally, I wonder what these parents were thinking when they abruptly took their child off a course of antibiotics. Don't they know that interrupting a course of antibiotics breeds antibiotic-resistant bacteria in a patient's body? The time to opt out of antibiotics is before you take them, or "next time" in the case that you are currently taking them, but never in the middle of treatment.
I have worked in both urban and rural settings in a job where I am a mandated reporter for child and elder abuse. (If I hear a reliable report of child or elder abuse in the course of my employment, I am mandated to report it.) In the olden days, when I was growing up, there was no recourse for an abused child or elder. I'm glad that there is someone to call to intervene in cases of reasonably suspected abuse. I think CPS is a good idea. I can easily imagine that this Sutter hospital called CPS because of the abrupt and unwise discontinuation of antibiotics, not because of a conspiracy to remove children from their parents or a conspiracy against seeking second medical opinions.
Wow. You're sounding a little scary. Your attitude is par-for-the-course for people in mandatory reporter roles, though. I don't mean to insult you, eve, but most people in jobs like yours have more power than wisdom, and the results are sometimes awful.
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its much higher.
I'm prepared to believe it, if you can offer proof.
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ok this is definitly the last one. A mainstream article discussing a movie based on a un worker who caught massive scale child sex slaverly rings being run by the un.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/movies/rachel-weisz-in-the-whistleblower-on-sex-trafficking.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/movies/rachel-weisz-in-the-whistleblower-on-sex-trafficking.html?_r=0)
heres the website of said wistle blower
http://www.bolkovac.com/ (http://www.bolkovac.com/)
like I said these cases are literally endless and I could spend years showing you them one by one.
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I'm prepared to believe it, if you can offer proof.
If you care enough you will do the research yourself.
start with the work of the woman who was killed right before releasing a book proving a national organized child sex trafficking ring is directly tied with cps.
Senator Nancy Schaefer.
I have no time for babies who cant do research on their own.
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Its an undeniable fact that cps puts various bounties on diffent types of kids. Nobody denies this. They have quotas for how many children they need to get.
Isnt that enough for you to understand whats going on?
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more definitive proof
banned discovery channel documentary
Conspiracy Of Silence (Banned Discovery Channel Documentary) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asvl6kO1Vo8#)
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People who are CPS workers are often the rejects within the bureaucratic world. Many suffer from low intelligence and are forced to settle for a job that no person would want. Some are as deranged and flawed human beings as the people they are in charge of investigating.
A degree in sociology at some community collage can not prepare anyone to be qualified in making the decision to remove a child from its family and hand it over to a government ordained custodian! Yet there are some really abused and neglected children out there who do need to be removed from unsafe conditions.
There are so many angles where the system can go wrong. I was confronted with a false report made by a vegan neighbor who didn't like the fact that I butchered my own food, that brought CPS to my home. The Hispanic woman who showed up was extremely disrespectful, inconsiderate, and in my opinion not worthy to make any decision regarding my children at all. Yet there she was with all the authority of the State behind her. As far as I know nothing I was doing was illegal, and yet the worker was insinuation that somehow the children were in danger because of the bones and animal pelts hanging in the back yard. I was questioned about Vaccines, medical care, butchering of animals, the children's schooling and many other things.
The investigation was dropped, but the experience of being treated like shit by people who lack the intelligence to understand the greatness of the raw Paleo lifestyle and fail to see how actually well off my children are still pisses me off a little. Especially if you know as I do about the degree of depravity within the area in which I live. Every other house is a haven for drug addicts and child abusers. There are more neglected children in my part of the world than the system could possibly deal with. Its no wonder that the workers become misanthropic and it explains why the best and the brightest avoid that line of work entirely.
Who in their right mind would want to come into my den and say that the state may have to take my children unless I change the way I live.
You might get your head chewed off and handed to you. (metaphorically speaking)
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Wow. You're sounding a little scary. Your attitude is par-for-the-course for people in mandatory reporter roles, though. I don't mean to insult you, eve, but most people in jobs like yours have more power than wisdom, and the results are sometimes awful.
The three reports that I made in my career of over 40 years were actual cases of abuse or neglect. What if there were no one to tell? and what supposed "power" does that give me? Would you rather everybody turn their back and let the child sort it out?
The abuses in the system are on both sides of the fence (abuse reporters and CPS workers), but I believe that the system is better than nothing at all. When a child has to suffer abuse until adulthood, the results are always awful.
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Its an undeniable fact that cps puts various bounties on diffent types of kids. Nobody denies this. They have quotas for how many children they need to get.
Isnt that enough for you to understand whats going on?
yes, I know there are "bounties". That just means that Federal dollars go to the states that adopt out the most kids. Granted, they are probably more likely to take healthy, attractive, Caucasian children than any others, because they are more likely to be adopted. Calling it a "bounty" is misleading, though.
In reality, most of the families that are having their kids taken are so poor that they are not able to provide well for their children. do you realize that?
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The three reports that I made in my career of over 40 years were actual cases of abuse or neglect. What if there were no one to tell? and what supposed "power" does that give me? Would you rather everybody turn their back and let the child sort it out?
The abuses in the system are on both sides of the fence (abuse reporters and CPS workers), but I believe that the system is better than nothing at all. When a child has to suffer abuse until adulthood, the results are always awful.
There are plenty of mandatory reporters out there that don't need to be given that kind of power, because they lack good judgment, they are self-serving or vindictive (like the Sutter doctor in the example that Troll posted), and/or they have no idea what destruction they are setting in motion.
Seriously, do you think these parents needed to have their child taken away from them? If you do, you're kind of scary.
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I'm at a loss to explain what really happened in this particular case. I'm not hearing "due process" at all. I wonder where is the CPS worker who would have investigated the case? In California, reports are not made to the police. So either several people completely ignored protocol, or the report omitted some significant details.
In either case, I am unable to conclude that "america is now completely unsafe to raise your children in." I'll easily concede that messed-up stuff happens in the world, but I don't think that America has a monopoly on governmental dysfunction, nor do these present times have more or less craziness than any other time in history.
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yes, I know there are "bounties". That just means that Federal dollars go to the states that adopt out the most kids. Granted, they are probably more likely to take healthy, attractive, Caucasian children than any others, because they are more likely to be adopted. Calling it a "bounty" is misleading, though.
In reality, most of the families that are having their kids taken are so poor that they are not able to provide well for their children. do you realize that?
ugh, its like all youw ant to do is contradict me when you have no proof. Ill simply post the definition of bounty and that will be the end of that question.
bounty-A reward, inducement, or payment, especially one given by a government for acts deemed beneficial to the state, such as killing predatory animals, growing certain crops, starting certain industries, or enlisting for military service.
and do you not know how to read? The conditions under cps are worse than any poor family (the reason its always poor people is cuz they dont have the money to fight back). These kids under cps care are on an average of 7 psychotropic medications. That alone should tell you enough. Please get a clue about what goes on in these facilities.
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The three reports that I made in my career of over 40 years were actual cases of abuse or neglect. What if there were no one to tell? and what supposed "power" does that give me? Would you rather everybody turn their back and let the child sort it out?
The abuses in the system are on both sides of the fence (abuse reporters and CPS workers), but I believe that the system is better than nothing at all. When a child has to suffer abuse until adulthood, the results are always awful.
Ok, I will try to make this very simple for the simple.
CPS system of "saving" children is one in which a case worker pretty much singe handedly decides whether or not a child is taken away. There literally has to be no crime committed for your child to be taken away. Simply refusing a doctors recommendation is enough to have your child kidnapped.
Sexual abuse is a crime. Physical abuse is a crime.
If someone is suspected of such a crime this should be brought to the attention of the police and it should be treated as any other crime and handled with due process. THis is supposed to be america where we have due process. Not the soviet union where bureaucrats can decide whether or not someone gets to keep their child. There is no due process in cps, all things are done behind closed doors, not open to the public.
DUE PROCESS
DUE PROCESS
DUE PROCESS
DUE PROCESS
DUE PROCESS
maybe if I write it one more time you will understand.
DUE PROCESS
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anyone who doubts government run child sex slavery rings please watch the banned discovery channel documentray i posted. There can be no doubt after seeing that movie that cps is part of a malicious pedophile ring.
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Troll, you sound crazy. Try to dial it back. We're not trying to look crazier than eating raw meat/fish makes us look.
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Name calling, the last refuge of one with no argument as always.
You asked for evidence and I gave you more than enough. All of it from mainstream sources. And you still complain.
If you want to live in a bubble your whole life then go ahead, but dont blame me when I give you every piece of proof you asked for from nothing but mainstream sources.
If you dont want the proof then dont ask next time.
Did you watch the discovery channel documentary? Id love to hear which part of that you can deny. I know you wont though, youll just call me crazy because you have no better argument.
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Name calling, the last refuge of one with no argument as always.
You asked for evidence and I gave you more than enough. All of it from mainstream sources. And you still complain.
If you want to live in a bubble your whole life then go ahead, but dont blame me when I give you every piece of proof you asked for from nothing but mainstream sources.
If you dont want the proof then dont ask next time.
Did you watch the discovery channel documentary? Id love to hear which part of that you can deny. I know you wont though, youll just call me crazy because you have no better argument.
It's pointless to generalize that ALL CPS departments are part of some child sex ring just because a few CPS agents in some places are pedophiles. It doesn't pass the bullshit test. My mother worked in social services for many years, and I'm pretty sure she's no pedophile.
And if you want to seem crazy, go ahead. Just be aware that you may scare away some people from this forum who need help with their health.
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I know knew you wouldnt address the discovery channel documentary which proves everything iv been telling you.
I would post more cases for you but youll just say im crazy because I offered you proof. Nothing would ever satisfy you in a manner that would overcome your need to feel like your living in happy land.
If you read my articles it proves not that theres a few individual cases but that the people at the tops of thee organizations are all pedophiles and at least a third of the workers are pedophiles with rest being either useful idiots procuring children for these people or just sickos who want to collect these giant bounties and get rich,
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I know knew you wouldnt address the discovery channel documentary which proves everything iv been telling you.
I would post more cases for you but youll just say im crazy because I offered you proof. Nothing would ever satisfy you in a manner that would overcome your need to feel like your living in happy land.
If you read my articles it proves not that theres a few individual cases but that the people at the tops of thee organizations are all pedophiles and at least a third of the workers are pedophiles with rest being either useful idiots procuring children for these people or just sickos who want to collect these giant bounties and get rich,
The moderation of this forum DOES NOT endorse this post in any way, shape, or form. period.
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Once again, unable to address the discovery channel documentary.
I dont blame you though, its pretty hard to contest a top ranking federal investigator giving you all the evidence he compiled of both the crime and its coverup. Its also pretty hard to dismiss victims and family members of these sick people who are clearly telling the truth.
So please continue to ignore it and treat me as the enemy for proving this to you, its what I expect from most people.
we all know how everyone loves to shoot the messenger.
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Also you are just one moderator, please ask all the other moderators about their opinions on this before you decide to speak for others.
You are not the MODERATION of this forum, you are the MODERATOR. Get your position straight please.
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Troll, I'm wondering if you're curious as to the feedback you're getting from most of your posts? You have described your personality traits ( maybe as a means to excuse yourself) but even so, again, aren't you curious as to how people here are reacting to how you lay down your words. Information is one thing, opinions are another, and tone conveyed can diminish any inherent value offered. How about simply stating your beliefs and letting them go. You say you don't care what we think.... how about walking your talk there, posting your beliefs and letting others have there's. No one's going to change the world or save anyone here, all we're doing is sharing what works for each of us. I'm not writing this to point a finger at you, but simply offering you feedback you may ( or may not ) want to look at.
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WHy dont you look at who always starts the bad talk like in this thread for example.
People always to come to my threads and start calling me names and im supposed to jsut take it because my opinions are not tolerated.
Please point to one example where I am the first person to be belligerent. You will find that I am always patient up to a point. Im also sick of being called names while never having any of my points addressed.
Someone asks me to offer them proof and they call me crazy when i do offer it to them and never address the proof that is offered.
Remember again that I started this thread and once again people came to me with the belligerent attitude not the other way around.
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this should have been posted earlier too. In response to people down south being too tough for cps, heres a famous incident down south where a man decided he wasnt going to let the cps kidnap his kids. He had more guns than anyone and they took him down no problem.
Waco Texas Shootout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er7gzj0BbSE#)
(dont mind the bullshit narration)
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PS I love how these threads always get diverted with nobody ever addressing any points I make.
I wonder when one of the deniers will address the discovery channel documentary. I reckon never....I mean how can you deny a top federal investigator and the victims of these top ranking government pedophiles?
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Information is one thing, opinions are another, and tone conveyed can diminish any inherent value offered.
Yup.
Troll I don't understand why you're getting so worked up...
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That "Discovery Channel documentary" was a giant waste of my time.
All the sex abuse allegations in that case were dropped, because of a lack of evidence. Here's the wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations)
Quit wasting my time, Troll and svrn.
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I guess the top federal investigator in america just made everything up so he could benefit by ruining his entire career?
And I guess all the witnesses and family members killed before the trial were coincidences. And I guess the victims lied so they could have their lives ruined as well? Two of the victims had to spend years in prison as punishment because they decided to go after one of the scariest men in her state (a man convicted of stealing 40 million dollars!). Who would be crazy enough to decide to go after these people? You would need to have a death wish.
and I guess senator schmidt who is quoted as saying the scandal reaches to the highest level of the republican party lost his senate seat and was ruined financially jsut as a coincidence too.
And why dont you learn to read your own wikipedia (lol) article.
the case wasnt dropped.
KING WAS ORDER TO PAY 1MILLION IN CIVIL COURT OVER THESE CHARGES.
I wonder if you watched the do at all since all you were able to respond with is a wikipedia (lol) article. Once again unable to address one piece of evidence presented in the film. Your only response being "well the court said he wasnt guily."...even though the civil court did find him guilty....
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I guess the top federal investigator in america just made everything up so he could benefit by ruining his entire career?
And I guess all the witnesses and family members killed before the trial were coincidences. And I guess the victims lied so they could have their lives ruined as well? Two of the victims had to spend years in prison as punishment because they decided to go after one of the scariest men in her state (a man convicted of stealing 40 million dollars!). Who would be crazy enough to decide to go after these people? You would need to have a death wish.
and I guess senator schmidt who is quoted as saying the scandal reaches to the highest level of the republican party lost his senate seat and was ruined financially jsut as a coincidence too.
And why dont you learn to read your own wikipedia (lol) article.
the case wasnt dropped.
KING WAS ORDER TO PAY 1MILLION IN CIVIL COURT OVER THESE CHARGES.
I wonder if you watched the do at all since all you were able to respond with is a wikipedia (lol) article. Once again unable to address one piece of evidence presented in the film. Your only response being "well the court said he wasnt guily."...even though the civil court did find him guilty....
he was found guilty of financial fraud. Not sex abuse.
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The 1million dollar verdict was levied against him in a civil suit pertaining only to the sex abuse allegations. That 1million had absolutely nothing to do with any financial fraud.
Are you simply blind or are you deceitful? Deceitful to yourself most likely.
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The 1million dollar verdict was levied against him in a civil suit pertaining only to the sex abuse allegations. That 1million had absolutely nothing to do with any financial fraud.
Are you simply blind or are you deceitful? Deceitful to yourself most likely.
Dude, maybe if you were nicer to people, they might be nicer to you. Who knows? Girls might even let you take them on dates.
Yes, there was a judgement entered against King in the civil suit...because he failed to respond to the charges. Not only did he probably not have any money to afford a lawyer, he probably figured that he'd never be able to get a job again, after being a convicted felon. No job=no reason to worry about a civil judgement.
He probably rightly assumed he'd never have any significant amount of money in his life again anyway, so there'd be no reason to bother trying to stop a judgement that would never get paid anyway.
I can't believe I'm even continuing this conversation.
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And now you even stoop as low as making things up about my love life. For your information your totally wrong and lots of girls actually like a man that doesnt pussyfoot around issues and holds his tongue for nobody. I hate to sound like a douchebag on the internet but you leave me no choice but let you know of the fact that hot girls occasionally approach me and thats all a gentleman says.
and I love how peoples denial can make up any excuse they need to make them feel safe.
King payed a million dollars so he wouldnt have to face his accusers in the court of law and be clearly seen as unable to defend himself.
I just want to know why you think everyone involved in the case decided to have their lives ruined by pursuing this false case. Everyone involved was RUINED. Some murdered. I guess they just died in plane crashes coincidentally (just like countless other people making trouble for the elite). Plane crashes can actually be seen as a calling card of these people at this point.
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King payed a million dollars...
Prove it.
Oh, and you misspelled "paid". Not good with the details? :)
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I misspell a lot of things, not like it matters.
and heres the case for you to research, im never doing ful research for you lazy bastards anymore, you just get a clue from now. If you cant figure it out from the info below then congratulations, you are retarded.
Paul A. Bonacci, Plaintiff 4:CV91-3037
vs
Lawrence E. King, Defendant
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heres a little quote from that file. Needless to say the jusge found king completely guilty
"The now uncontradicted evidence is that the plaintiff has suffered much. He has suffered burns, broken fingers, beating of the head and face and other indignities by the wrongful actions of the defendant King. In addition to the misery of going through the experiences just related over a period of eight years, the plaintiff has suffered the lingering results to the present time. He is a victim of multiple personality disorder, involving as many as fourteen distinct personalities aside from his primary personality. He has given up a desired military career and received threats on his life. He suffers from sleeplessness, has bad dreams, has difficulty in holding a job, is fearful that others are following him, fears getting killed, has depressing flashbacks, and is verbally violent on occasion, all in connection with the multiple personality disorder and caused by the wrongful activities of the defendant King. "
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Prove the money was paid. Can you, or can't you? And don't call me a lazy bastard. I've spent thousands of hours researching nutrition and health, and sharing it FOR FREE here, and other forums. I couldn't care less about Lawrence E. King, he has nothing to do with nutrition, and nothing to do with CPS, either.
Dude, I seriously think you are schizophrenic. All these conspiracy theories, plus the fact that you are suddenly, randomly, attacking DaBoss for his niacin and other supplements, makes me think that you might be schizo. Have you been to a psychiatrist? Are you hearing voices, or having other symptoms? Conspiracy theories are extremely common among schizophrenics.
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who said the money was paid?
I told what the case was for you to look up, the judgement is there.
Paul A. Bonacci, Plaintiff 4:CV91-3037
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Lawrence E. King, Defendant
there it is real big for so maybe youll actually look it uo this time, thats all the proof you need.
If you want to call me names thats fine, we all know thats the last refuge of sore loser.
And im not attacking boss anymore because i realize theres no point. My only further statement on that issue is that he either needs to be banned for promoting his non raw philosophies or williams ban for promoting centrifuged tallow needs to be lifted. We need to do one of the two to remain consistent.
and if you couldnt care less about lawrence king you should stop spending so much time having me prove it to you.
and why dont you try being a little more sensitive with your use of schizophrenic as insult because supposedly boss actually is schizophrenic.
lastly please briefly tell me what you believe happened on 9/11 and we will see whether or not you are a conspiracy theorist.
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who said the money was paid?
You did.
King payed a million dollars so he wouldnt have to face his accusers in the court of law and be clearly seen as unable to defend himself.
Also, Lawrence King has nothing to do with CPS.
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Well he may have payed I dont know. As far as I know he had no money at the time of the judgement and it was fully symbolic.
Anyway im sorry I said that because I was never sure of whether he payed it or not. I do know that he owes that million dollar against him at the very least and may have paid it.
Its really irrelevant either way, the point is that the judgement was made against him which I wonder if you bothered to look up yet with the exact case number I gave you to look up.
And this is a case that proves that child sex trafficking reaches up to the highest levels of government.
I could have shown other cases but this one is clear cut and thuroughly documented that I decided to post it since theres no way anyone can argue against such thoroughly documented facts.
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Well he may have payed I dont know. As far as I know he had no money at the time of the judgement and it was fully symbolic.
Anyway im sorry I said that because I was never sure of whether he payed it or not. I do know that he owes that million dollar against him at the very least and may have paid it.
Its really irrelevant either way, the point is that the judgement was made against him which I wonder if you bothered to look up yet with the exact case number I gave you to look up.
And this is a case that proves that child sex trafficking reaches up to the highest levels of government.
I could have shown other cases but this one is clear cut and thuroughly documented that I decided to post it since theres no way anyone can argue against such thoroughly documented facts.
Why would King have bothered defending himself in the civil case if he believed he'd never have any money again?
If there had really been any good evidence of the abuse, then the criminal trial would probably have unearthed it. In addition, if there were good evidence of the conspiracy you are talking about, it would have come out in the proceedings of the CIVIL case, and THAT would definitely have made the news. The truth is, it was mainly a bunch of unsubstantiated hearsay evidence by one disgruntled former employee of Boys Town, named Michael Casey. here's a link:
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/29/us/omaha-grand-jury-sees-hoax-in-lurid-tales.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/29/us/omaha-grand-jury-sees-hoax-in-lurid-tales.html)
"Though it made no formal accusation, the grand jury said it suspected that a state investigator looking into the sexual allegations had been duped by a executive who had been dismissed by Boys Town.... It said the unemployed executive, identified as Michael Casey, might have ''fueled the fire of rumor and innuendo'' because of personal grudges....
The two witnesses who were charged with perjury were a young man and a young woman who had said they were victims of abuse when they were teen-agers. They were indicted after two other witnesses, who had supported their accounts, recanted. The two who were indicted are now serving jail terms for unrelated offenses. They were identified as Alisha Owen, 21 years old, and Paul A. Bonacci, 22."
ALL of the witnesses involved either recanted their testimony or were charged with perjury.
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All I need to do to respond to that is repost the quote the quote from the file I sent you in case you didnt get it the first time
"The now uncontradicted evidence is that the plaintiff has suffered much. He has suffered burns, broken fingers, beating of the head and face and other indignities by the wrongful actions of the defendant King. In addition to the misery of going through the experiences just related over a period of eight years, the plaintiff has suffered the lingering results to the present time. He is a victim of multiple personality disorder, involving as many as fourteen distinct personalities aside from his primary personality. He has given up a desired military career and received threats on his life. He suffers from sleeplessness, has bad dreams, has difficulty in holding a job, is fearful that others are following him, fears getting killed, has depressing flashbacks, and is verbally violent on occasion, all in connection with the multiple personality disorder and caused by the wrongful activities of the defendant King. "
I would have recanted too...if I still valued my life at that point. If I had a deathwish and just wanted to see justice done then I wouldnt have recanted.
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Dude, I don't care what you say on this issue anymore. it's your own credibility that you're damaging, and that's not my job to worry about.
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Ok so i guess I just made up the quote from the legal document.
Oh wait I didnt, anyone who googles the case can find that the judge did in fact say this as a matter of legal fact after a minute of research.
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dude, the evidence is "uncontradicted" because the defendant didn't show up. He didn't show up because he was already in jail, and couldn't get out, and had no money for a lawyer, and didn't probably care much anyway, because he knew he'd never have money again.
Again, this is YOUR credibility that you're eroding.
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Stop making things up. The state was going to transport him to this case, it would have been free.
The reason he didnt show is because he got himself put in the nutward.
and please read the case, evidence was submitted by the defense, he jsut never personally showed up.
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Stop making things up. The state was going to transport him to this case, it would have been free.
The reason he didnt show is because he got himself put in the nutward.
and please read the case, evidence was submitted by the defense, he jsut never personally showed up.
Right. So if the plaintiff's case was so overwhelmingly awesome, what happened to the criminal proceedings? Why did they go a different way?
The sex abuse allegations never even made it past the grand jury. They considered the whole thing to be a bunch of lies told by a disgruntled ex-employee.
The very idea that multiple senators, etc. are involved in some Satanic sex ring is just a product of late-80s Satanic-sex-ring/recovered-memory nonsense. It was a huge thing back then.
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Criminal elements within the fbi railroaded the criminal investigation. Witnesses and witnesses family members also wound up dead enough times that the criminal case was broken to the point of no repair. No jury even got to look at it. It was stopped before anyone ever got a chance to decide.
If you want to know all the details of how they compromised the investigation then I urge you to watch the movie, which if you watched you would see that the answers to the questions are answered very clearly.
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anyway wev already said all that needs to be said about the franklin case. Any more discussion of this would simply be repetition.
I would rather get you opinion on two other cases that are even more clear cut than the franklin case
what do you think of
-the jammy saville case and the connections jimmy had to characters such as the Yorkshire Ripper, Prince CHarles and other people of high renown. What do you think of mainstream reports of certain members of the police defending SAville from investigation?
-what about the dutroux affair? in which serial killers described in detail the child sex trafficking rings they were a part of without contradiction and described some of the elite belgian characters involved as well.
these are 2 very strong cases for elite child sex trafficking rings.
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Criminal elements within the fbi railroaded the criminal investigation. Witnesses and witnesses family members also wound up dead enough times that the criminal case was broken to the point of no repair. No jury even got to look at it. It was stopped before anyone ever got a chance to decide.
If you want to know all the details of how they compromised the investigation then I urge you to watch the movie, which if you watched you would see that the answers to the questions are answered very clearly.
I always look for the most likely explanation. In this case, you have a disgruntled ex-employee combined with a bunch of national hysteria over non-existent Satanic sex abuse. Given those two facts, the more likely explanation is that the dude lied.
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i really dont want to discuss the franklin case since i feel theres no longer any point but we can maybe take care of this one last point before moving on.
So if the disgruntled ex employee just made it up how did he get all the other witnesses to go along with their story and perjure themselves against some of the most powerful people in their state? What did these kids expect to happen after they made up such horrible lies about these powerful people.
Please lets not waste anymore time on the franklin case after this point as I believe that the Jimmy Saville case as well as the Dutroux would be much more productive to argue at this point.
feel free to research these cases before telling me whether or not you believe they point to a global child sex trafficking network or are just more isolated cases.
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anyway wev already said all that needs to be said about the franklin case. Any more discussion of this would simply be repetition.
I would rather get you opinion on two other cases that are even more clear cut than the franklin case
what do you think of
-the jammy saville case and the connections jimmy had to characters such as the Yorkshire Ripper, Prince CHarles and other people of high renown. What do you think of mainstream reports of certain members of the police defending SAville from investigation?
-what about the dutroux affair? in which serial killers described in detail the child sex trafficking rings they were a part of without contradiction and described some of the elite belgian characters involved as well.
If you trust the word of serial killers, then you are crazier than THEY are. ROFL
And sure, people with connections get "helped out" sometimes. that doesn't mean that child sex rings exist. Sorry. There needs to be evidence besides the testimony of convicted criminals.
There are no sex rings. Why would there be? Why would any pedophile risk jail by revealing his desires to other adults, who might tell the police? Even online pedophiles don't use their real names on their forums. Why would ANYONE risk telling people who already know your name/address/etc. that they are a pedophile?
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look into the case, theres a lot more to it than just the word of serial killers.
and The saville case is totally clear cut, anything I say about it can be picked up in mainstream news.
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i really dont want to discuss the franklin case since i feel theres no longer any point but we can maybe take care of this one last point before moving on.
So if the disgruntled ex employee just made it up how did he get all the other witnesses to go along with their story and perjure themselves against some of the most powerful people in their state? What did these kids expect to happen after they made up such horrible lies about these powerful people.
The kids were less-than-upstanding young people from troubled backgrounds. They had no idea what kind of trouble they would be getting themselves into when they lied. They got victimized by an adult, all right...his name is Michael Casey. He scammed them. They were young, too young to know that he was going to get them in serious, deep SHIT.
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look into the case, theres a lot more to it than just the word of serial killers.
and The saville case is totally clear cut, anything I say about it can be picked up in mainstream news.
Did you really bring up the Saville case? Dude...ROFL
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It seems like you are the one making convulted excuses at this point since the simplest explanation of the two is that the victims told the truth.
anyway, we should really move on as im not really presenting any new evidence at his point.
It would probably be best to only discuss saville at this point sine every point I make about him is admitted in mainstream media for some reason. I believe they are letting all this true info out about him to push the pedophilia is a disease and its not the pedophiles fault mantra further down the line, jsut you watch it will happen.
heres a little article i found in one second to get you started on the Saville case
i will get more mainstream articles later proving his role as a procurer of children for elite child sex rings involving prince charles and others.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322369/Jimmy-Savile-Victims-slam-police-report-says-DIDNT-cover-sex-crimes.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322369/Jimmy-Savile-Victims-slam-police-report-says-DIDNT-cover-sex-crimes.html)
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Heres a good dutroux doc that doesnt take sides but gives th facts and lets you decide, was dutroux protected or did he simply benefit from a long series of police blunders?
Marc Dutroux: Monster of Belgium (Documentary) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6g5ENqgf5M#ws)
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foorgot to mention that its more the victims testimony than the serial killers testimony that points to the powerful people.
Funny how the case is exactly the same as franklin coverup.
only difference is american are dumb enough to fall for it.
when they tried to pull the same thing in belgium 300 thousand people marched and most of the country went on strike. They havent been getting flouride their whole life though....
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The Perverted World of Marc Dutroux (2005) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjHhK4dijAw#)
this ones better but less mainstream.
Just realized it might not be best to endanger the whole forum by having this information posted up here so if you want to delete this whole thread im for it.
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This is getting ridiculous. Savile only got attacked once he was dead. No one dared lie about him when he was alive due to the harsh British libel laws. The very fact that he was accused so often after his death means that they were all likely lies. If there were any genuine substance to the accusations they would have been made long ago.
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THey were made long ago, read the mainstream article I just posted about it. It shows the police had tons od complaints about saville before he died.
So any thoughts about deleting this thread?
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THey were made long ago, read the mainstream article I just posted about it. It shows the police had tons od complaints about saville before he died.
So any thoughts about deleting this thread?
"Long ago" was merely c.2007. The point is that most celebrities routinely get nutters from the public who falsely accuse of them of indecent assault or rape or whatever, in a pathetic attempt by these nutters to gain attention. This is a well-known practice, so, quite understandably, the police ignore any such claims unless they are backed up by at least some solid evidence.
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So what do you make of saville being such close friends with the yorkshire ripper and campaigning for him to be allowed to have sex while in prison?
we really should consider deleting this thread though, im sure nobody thinks its good for the forum to have this.
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So what do you make of saville being such close friends with the yorkshire ripper and campaigning for him to be allowed to have sex while in prison?
we really should consider deleting this thread though, im sure nobody thinks its good for the forum to have this.
That allegation sounds so ridiculous, it cannot be given credence. Basically, people like Savile do have some limited immunity but if he really had been carrying on sexually assaulting dozens of people a year etc. etc., he would have been jailed years ago.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229786/Jimmy-Savile-Yorkshire-Ripper-Cast-DJs-teeth-check-bites-left-Peter-Sutcliffes-victims.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229786/Jimmy-Savile-Yorkshire-Ripper-Cast-DJs-teeth-check-bites-left-Peter-Sutcliffes-victims.html)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4634859/jimmy-saviles-plea-to-get-sex-for-yorkshire-ripper.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4634859/jimmy-saviles-plea-to-get-sex-for-yorkshire-ripper.html)
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Sounds way over-the-top to be true.
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Sounds way over-the-top to be true.
translates into: I will never accept this no matter what proof I see.
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translates into: I will never accept this no matter what proof I see.
I am all too well aware that the Daily Mail goes to extremes very often, so I don"t trust it much as a reliable source. I could accept Savile occasionally sleeping with underage girls, once or tiwce knowingly, or even occasionally sexuallty assaulting a girl, but the sheer scale of accusations means that almost all of them(or all of them) are fake.